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Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

Just seeing how many are out there....breed gets a bad rap from irresponsible owners.

Also how many people cross the street when your walking your dogs? Or come up to you and tell you your dog will "Snap and kill you" when it hits age three?

2 Year old NALA:

6 Month old Rampage:

Mike

[ December 02, 2008, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: 90gtvert ]

Posted by SPIDER_STANG (Member # 8658) on :

I have 2 a blue nose girl & a red nose boy!! People tell me how nice they look but they don't say anything neg. They do assume that since their a pit that their mean!! They are very loyal & a great family dog!! People have just used them for fighting so they get a bad rap!! German shepherd, Blk Lab, Doberman have more bite cases then Pitt bulls do. I love my dogs & would want any other dog!! But on the real my dogs will bite someone in that ass if they come on the property!! LoL but their just protecting their home!! Why have a dog that nobody is scared off? I mean they don't have to be scared off your dog like that but just in case something went down & I wasn't home I would want my dogs to try & protect the house rather than wag their tall to some robbers looking for a treat!! LoL

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

Ya, I'm out in Livermore, so its kinda gotten upscale, especially downtown. I take my dogs for walks down there, and people will either say something or hurry themselves and or kids across the street.

I even put 49er jerseys on them to try and make people less scared.

But ya, best family dogs period. If they are people aggressive there is probably something wrong with them and/or protecting there home.

My dogs get protective over my son when new people are around, all they do is bark and look mean, but if you yell or stomp your foot they go running off and hide under me lol

Mike

Posted by 89bluenotch (Member # 7454) on :

my dad has a blue nose, one of the best dogs i have ever been around. its all about the owner imo and if that person gives a shit about training it and not abusing being an owner of a dog. i think all dogs have the ability to be a good dog.

i am picking up my new dog on friday. it is a newfoundland/lab mix should be on the plus size of 120 pounds maybe bigger when its full grown.

Posted by t top freak (Member # 6269) on :

i love pitbulls.

however they can be a handful just like with dalmatians and other dogs with a lot of energy. but in a loving environment with experienced owners they will be just like every other dog out there.

my neighbors had a damn flock of them and i used to wrestle with all of them when i was a kid. no bites or anything.

the only problem i have with them is when they turn into lap dogs...they aren't very graceful and my balls take a beating

Posted by 707vibrantcobra93 (Member # 4702) on :

i have a red nose girl and a blue nose girl and they are sweethearst. the whole nieghborhood loves them the mail man brings them treats and the ups guy stops to play with them, i have between i and 3 people on there walk route that give them treats or stop and pet them, they are huge wusses i don't think the would attack somebody if they ran up in my house, thats okay though thats why we have so many guns, the dogs are great though

Posted by 00NIGHTMARE (Member # 1010) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:

Also how many people cross the street when your walking your dogs? Or come up to you and tell you your dog will "Snap and kill you" when it hits age three?

2 Year old NALA:

That one looks like a humper. [Wink]

Posted by Pittsburg Mustang Owner (Member # 6100) on :

I have a "red nose" APBT, he just turned 1 on friday. Great dog but people always think he is a female cuz I named him shelby. I wanted to name him sir Charles. I need to get him fixed soon so if anyone wants some puppies lemme know! I want him to bust a nut before the scissors come out

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

I do not have a pit, but was raised around them and a family that bred them. I think most problems with pits is their owners and the lack of knowledge and understanding of what type of dog they possess. One thing is for certain almost all breeds of dogs have some inherent tendency for aggression and confidence. But by nature and genetics the Pit tends to be on the higher end of the spectrum of aggression along with dobermans and shephards. I think that is where the irresponsibility starts. Pit owners must/should understand this. Also not knowing your dogs lineage is another point of irresponsibility. You might get the cutest pit ever and name him spot. But if his father was named Cujo and is 90-0 with shaking dogs out and his mother is big bertha with a even more impressive record. Than chances are you have a dog with a greater tendency for aggression. So buying a pit from your homie's back yard who supposedly breeds them is not always the best course. This breed is also susceptible to the fad of today. Which leads to mistreated, abandoned and abused dogs. Kinda like mustangs. Kids think they are cool so subject them to all kinds of crap.

Pit's are a extremely loyal, confident and protective breed. And if raised in the right home, can be very loving. So I am not saying they are killing machines. But because of the irresponsible owners who seem to outnumber the responsible ones the breed gets that bad rap. So you cannot blame the mother who walks the long way around to avoid your dog.

Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :

i have 2 pitts. one black nose porsche & one red nose saleen. they are mother and daughter. many people on this broad have been to my house and know my dogs. they are super loving and attention whores. porsche (the mother) is very well trained and will attack only on commmand. she has never bit anyone...ask 96mysticman.. haha. saleen is a 110 lbs. baby. all she wants is to be petted. people see her and think that she is a killing machine. but soon as people get to know them they all just fall in love. in 8 1/2 years of owning them they have never bitten anyone. but that doesn't stop miss informed people of thinking they are blood thirsty dogs that will kill anyone that comes into my yard. one of the biggest problems with pitts is they are very animal agressive. that plus stuipd owners gives the dogs a very bad rap. their are alot more breeds that bite more often than pitts. but pitts are prey dogs and have been bread to fight/kill.(blanket statement) so when they do go bad. it's much worse than a few stiches.
n8 i don't blame the mother that walks the long way around. i blame the piece of shit that turned my dog.(in the eyes of some people)into a blood thristy dealer of death. pitts in the wrong hands is the same as a mustang a killing machine. [patriot]

Posted by 96mysticman (Member # 8327) on :

yeah the dogs dont bite but will scare the shit out of you lol [Eek!]

im yelling for john to get his fucking dogs and he sits there laughing his ass off

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

lol good stuff

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

Most peeps that have pit bulls have them because they want to be tough and look cool. I go to the dog parks all the time and I can tell you that most of the bad incidents revolve around pit bulls being aggressive toward other dogs. The breed is aggressive and dominant by nature. I guess this makes the owners feel secure or tough or something. I also notice that most of the owners are mexicant or black. Its the dog that most ghetto people own. Hell they even spay/neuter them in cokeland for FREE because there's such a big problem with them. And they are the most common dogs found in the shelters. All because these idiots want to be bad ass and tough with their dogs. Lame.

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

Well:
1) I'm not Black or Mexican
2) The breed is pre-disposed to dog aggression NOT human aggression, but a proper owner with responsible training, and socializing the dog from the get go eliminate this. However, pit bulls are not NEARLY as dog aggressive as some breeds, such as POODLES (not miniature ones).
3) I can iterate this enough. Pit Bulls are NOT people aggressive. If they show mild forms of this it is due to neglect/abuse, but can be trained out. if they show severe forms of this, then something is wrong with the dog from severe abuse/neglect and needs to be put down.
4) If you buy a dog to look tough, then indeed you need to give the dog up as that is starting things off irresponsibly.
5) They Spay and Neuter pitbulls for free in ALL of Alameda country, not just Oakland. This is due to the MANY irresponsible owners who just drop the dogs off. A lot of pitbulls in the shelters are also there because they DO NOT SHOW the amount of dog aggression dog fighters are looking for.

Please get your facts straight, as this is the type of ignorance I was pointing out with my initial post.

Thanks,

Mike

Posted by Blue91LX (Member # 8320) on :

I worked at a place in Fair Oaks today, Tearing down and rebuilding a fence shared by five nieghbors. My boss and i tore down the runs separating two of the houses. When we got to the third part that separates yet another yard from the one we are working in. My boss cut a hole in the fence with the skillsaw, stepped through than all the sudden this Pit start freakin the fuck out on the other side. He owns a PB thats mean but only when you come to his house and she doesnt know you. Anyway that dog fricken ended up being a pussy and just barked our ears off all day. Still made me a bit uncomfortable because we took down the fence that held it in the yard.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

Actually cummins it all depends on where you are at. And many counties spay or neuter pits for free. If you are in a predominantly black city then yes you will have the owners be predominantly black. But I can tell you. I have a condo in San Diego and my neighbors all have pits it seems. Some are wanna be gangsters, some are wanna be bikers, some are wanna be artists. But all are white and equally irresponsible with their dogs. So stupidity know no color bounds. But yes like I said this breed is subject to the fads O' the day.

I think backyard breeders of this breed are a very big problem.

Just to note, my Pomeranian is pretty vicious too. Borderline bad-ass.

[ December 04, 2008, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]

Posted by COBRAreflection (Member # 5247) on :

quote:
Originally posted by cummins:
Most peeps that have pit bulls have them because they want to be tough and look cool. I go to the dog parks all the time and I can tell you that most of the bad incidents revolve around pit bulls being aggressive toward other dogs. The breed is aggressive and dominant by nature. I guess this makes the owners feel secure or tough or something. I also notice that most of the owners are mexicant or black. Its the dog that most ghetto people own. Hell they even spay/neuter them in cokeland for FREE because there's such a big problem with them. And they are the most common dogs found in the shelters. All because these idiots want to be bad ass and tough with their dogs. Lame.

Most owners are black and Mexican huh?

LOL, it seems you have a tendency to say things to start internet squabbles and never have real input on the topic. But this one is really stupid!

Posted by 1990GT50 (Member # 2119) on :

Yeah I want to look cool.... Anyways I have some old pics of my teddy bear on this half-assed site I made. Hes 10mos in the picsa and a year and a half now. He has survived near death experiences twice already. Pure beast
http://www.remymartinpitbulls.com/

Edit: wait I forgot Im trying to look tough too... just thought I would let everyone know that... [Wink]

[ December 04, 2008, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: 1990GT50 ]

Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 1990GT50:
Yeah I want to look cool.... Anyways I have some old pics of my teddy bear on this half-assed site I made. Hes 10mos in the picsa and a year and a half now. He has survived near death experiences twice already. Pure beast
http://www.remymartinpitbulls.com/

Edit: wait I forgot Im trying to look tough too... just thought I would let everyone know that...

Remy is the cleanest/ least agressive pit i've ever seen. [worship]

Posted by 91LxStang (Member # 8378) on :

I got a blue nose and he's about 10 months now and all my neighbors tell me that your dog is going to snap and there mean dogs. My dog is a champ and hasnt done one thing yet to make me think that he is going to snap, but we trained that mofo good.

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 90gtvert:
Well:
1) I'm not Black or Mexican
2) The breed is pre-disposed to dog aggression NOT human aggression, but a proper owner with responsible training, and socializing the dog from the get go eliminate this. However, pit bulls are not NEARLY as dog aggressive as some breeds, such as POODLES (not miniature ones).
3) I can iterate this enough. Pit Bulls are NOT people aggressive. If they show mild forms of this it is due to neglect/abuse, but can be trained out. if they show severe forms of this, then something is wrong with the dog from severe abuse/neglect and needs to be put down.
4) If you buy a dog to look tough, then indeed you need to give the dog up as that is starting things off irresponsibly.
5) They Spay and Neuter pitbulls for free in ALL of Alameda country, not just Oakland. This is due to the MANY irresponsible owners who just drop the dogs off. A lot of pitbulls in the shelters are also there because they DO NOT SHOW the amount of dog aggression dog fighters are looking for.

Please get your facts straight, as this is the type of ignorance I was pointing out with my initial post.

Thanks,

Mike

You just backed up a lot of what I said. Thanks buddy!

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
Actually cummins it all depends on where you are at. And many counties spay or neuter pits for free. If you are in a predominantly black city then yes you will have the owners be predominantly black. But I can tell you. I have a condo in San Diego and my neighbors all have pits it seems. Some are wanna be gangsters, some are wanna be bikers, some are wanna be artists. But all are white and equally irresponsible with their dogs. So stupidity know no color bounds. But yes like I said this breed is subject to the fads O' the day.

I think backyard breeders of this breed are a very big problem.

Just to note, my Pomeranian is pretty vicious too. Borderline bad-ass.

Not singling you out but you said some thing that I mentioned earlier. So why is it that places neuter/spay pit bulls for free? Why is it that almost all homeowners insurance won't insure if there's a pit bull in the house? Why is it that its hard to find a place to rent if you have a pit? Its because the breed is considered dangerous and trouble. I don't care if who's pit is a good doggy I have friends that have well behaved pits too. But in general pits aren't dogs that just anyone should own. I think there should be a screening process to own one, but that's just unrealistic.

Yes they are very dog aggressive and they are mostly the ones starting fights in the dog parks. I saw this pit attack my friends dog, my friend grabbed the pit by the collar and hammer threw the sucker over the 5 foot fence and out of the dog park. Then the owner of the pit finally gets his ass up off the bench. Lo and behold, it was a mexican trying to act tough. Oh and don't mind all the stuff you hear in the news about some kid being attacked by a pit. I'm sure the kid deserved to get mauled. [Roll Eyes]

I do think that there's a lot of responsible pit owners out there. Anthony Johnson the UFC fighter goes to the same dog park as I do and he is a responsible owner. He even started some kind of pit bull association where they help with their behavior. But the majority of problem pits I see are owned by young mexicans or blacks thinking they are tough by having this "bad ass" pit bull. Then people like my friend throw them over the fence and out of the dog park. If pits in general were such good dogs then there wouldn't be all these behavioral reformation associations, difficulties getting home owners insurance, or problems renting.

[ December 05, 2008, 03:22 AM: Message edited by: cummins ]

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

quote:
Originally posted by cummins:

quote:
Originally posted by N8:
Actually cummins it all depends on where you are at. And many counties spay or neuter pits for free. If you are in a predominantly black city then yes you will have the owners be predominantly black. But I can tell you. I have a condo in San Diego and my neighbors all have pits it seems. Some are wanna be gangsters, some are wanna be bikers, some are wanna be artists. But all are white and equally irresponsible with their dogs. So stupidity know no color bounds. But yes like I said this breed is subject to the fads O' the day.

I think backyard breeders of this breed are a very big problem.

Just to note, my Pomeranian is pretty vicious too. Borderline bad-ass.
Not singling you out but you said some thing that I mentioned earlier. So why is it that places neuter/spay pit bulls for free? Why is it that almost all homeowners insurance won't insure if there's a pit bull in the house? Why is it that its hard to find a place to rent if you have a pit? Its because the breed is considered dangerous and trouble. I don't care if who's pit is a good doggy I have friends that have well behaved pits too. But in general pits aren't dogs that just anyone should own. I think there should be a screening process to own one, but that's just unrealistic.

Yes they are very dog aggressive and they are mostly the ones starting fights in the dog parks. I saw this pit attack my friends dog, my friend grabbed the pit by the collar and hammer threw the sucker over the 5 foot fence and out of the dog park. Then the owner of the pit finally gets his ass up off the bench. Lo and behold, it was a mexican trying to act tough. Oh and don't mind all the stuff you hear in the news about some kid being attacked by a pit. I'm sure the kid deserved to get mauled.

I do think that there's a lot of responsible pit owners out there. Anthony Johnson the UFC fighter goes to the same dog park as I do and he is a responsible owner. He even started some kind of pit bull association where they help with their behavior. But the majority of problem pits I see are owned by young mexicans or blacks thinking they are tough by having this "bad ass" pit bull. Then people like my friend throw them over the fence and out of the dog park. If pits in general were such good dogs then there wouldn't be all these behavioral reformation associations, difficulties getting home owners insurance, or problems renting.

I actually agre with everything you said, beyond the most owners are black or mexican. But you cleaned it up by now saying "But the majority of problem pits I see are owned by young mexicans or blacks thinking they are tough by having this "bad ass" pit bull." So if that is your experience who am I to say anything different. But prior you stated as a well known global fact. But I can tell you. My place in SD overlooks a popular dog park and yes the owners with the pits seem to be in more problems than the others. So I agree there. It is just that none of them are black or mexican.

So all in all I agree with you Cummins, just not on the demographic of pit owners. The knuckleheads with these dogs gives the breed a really bad name.

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

Since the misconceptions seem to be flying left and right here (except about irresponsible owners) please see:

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/myths.cfm

and www.badrap.org

I'm a member! [Whoo Whooooo!]

Responsible owners and knowledgable people FTW!

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

I tend to not agree with a few points in that badrap myths link. But the big hinge is owners who are not responsible. So everything no matter what circles back to that, no matter the argument. But to say that a pitbull does not have a more natural disposition to protecting in territory/owners in a violent manner or it is not on the higher end of the aggression chart (along with other breeds). Is like saying a Golden Retriever does not possess the natural instinct to retrieve. Be it a good owner or not. If you do not understand this, there is a mild form of irresponsibility there. Not saying nothing bad about you 90vert.

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

Yup. Irresponsible owners piss me off more then anything.

Unfortunately my dogs are not protecting shit at my house lol. These are about the sissiest pitbulls youll ever meet. If someone gets past the barks (my female has a very scary bark lol) and makes a threating (like stomping your foot) move at my dogs, they will just roll over on there backs [Frown]

Although They have never been in a situation where I was actually being threated or fighting so I don't know how they would react at that point. Id hope they would jump in if its that dire.

Anyways I think i need to get a membership to the black and mexican club so that I can legally own a pitbull evidently from this thread [Frown]

Mike

Posted by Insurance Dude (Member # 8241) on :

FYI, what cummings said about not being able to insure your home if you have a pit bull is false. yes many companies are scared to insure people who own pits (which in my opinion is wack) but there are many campanies that will do it. Even some of the top rated compaies will still insure your home if you have a pit.

for example Allied/Nationwide one of the top rated companies in the usa will insure your home if you have a pit. as long as your pit has a "good citizen" certificate.

Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :

Yup. I have renter's insurance, my Landlords are cool with it. The renter's insurance did require a good citizen certificate, but thats not a problem if you are a responsible owner.

Mike

Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :

Yes there are companies that will do it, but there are also many that will not. There is a reason for this. You don't see companies excluding breeds such as English Pointers or Border Collies or Springer Spaniels or even a Pomeranian (this one is for you L8). Its much harder to rent if you do own a pit. Lots of apartments/condos and landlords will not rent to you if you have one. Hell I'm one of them! I'm not renting to someone if they have a pit and I love dogs too. The last thing I need is to get sued and you can always sue the homeowner.

Also, I've encountered TONS of pits that were wimpy as hell at first. Roll over, cower, tails tuck, etc when they get confronted. But as soon as they got into 1 real fight that was it, the dog found its calling and was looking to throw down any time after that. Dominating other dogs is inherent in the breed so just that 1 fight can set it off. Again this is a general statement and if your dog doesn't do this then that's a good thing. I know a few pit bull trainers and hell they tell me the same thing, don't let the dog get into a fight or put them in a situation where they have to protect. Because if they do that inherent aggressive/dominant behavior comes out and its almost impossible to break them of it. Especially if they win or draw blood.

As far as young blacks and mexicans trying to act tough when them. Well maybe its just where I live but its true (I live in the east bay). If I could have a dollar for everyone that had a pit I'd certainly be driving something much nicer than my supra.

Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :

Leave my Chico out of this. My Pomeranian is straight bad ass....My "Pinto Bean" (Cairn Terrier) is a bad ass as well. best alarms I have. They go off anytime someone is near my house.

Posted by Insurance Dude (Member # 8241) on :

in terms of insurance breed does matter. smaller dogs do not require the good citizen certificates to be insured. However no matter how small the dog if your dog has a record of bitting someone almost no one will insure you. you will need to go to a non standard company which will charge you an arm and a leg.

Posted by 1990GT50 (Member # 2119) on :

From personal experience I have seen just as many irresponsible owners/ poorly trained dogs from any other breed as I have pit bulls. The only thing that seperates them is the fact that pitbulls are naturally built to win fights. I cant even count the number of times I have had Remy (my dog) out and had a 5 or 10lb poodly try to fight him. My dog just looks at them funny and turns away. On the other hand, Remy would probably be put to sleep if he responded that way to other dogs.

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