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Posted by Termin8Him (Member # 7895) on
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i got pulled over today by CHP, again. this time because my "exhaust was too loud". i explained to the cop that i had cats and mufflers, but he said that it was illegal to modify the exhaust. he then said that he didnt want to open my hood because it would probably have an air filter, headers, and any other modifications. I told him that everything i had on my car was legal but he still came back at me that any modification was illegal. he then just gave me a ticket for not having my proof of insurance. is this true or was the cop just talking BS??
Posted by 166 Merlot (Member # 1549) on
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cops use a variety of scare tactics. don't worry about it ![[Whoo Whooooo!]](graemlins/woowoo.gif)
Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on
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He's full of it.
On a side note, stop rollin' around in 3rd gear and it will draw a lot less attention to ya... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on
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I may be wrong, but I believe the, "Clean Air Act of 1979" made it illegal to tamper with exhaust. I also found this on the DMV website, "27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified."
Posted by Termin8Him (Member # 7895) on
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if thats so, would muffler shops get in trouble for installing flowmasters or any other kind of high performance exhaust??
Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on
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Originally posted by Termin8Him:
if thats so, would muffler shops get in trouble for installing flowmasters or any other kind of high performance exhaust??
"Sale of Exhaust Systems
27150.1. No person engaged in a business that involves the selling of motor vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but not limited to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a motor vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not limited to, a muffler, unless it meets the regulations and standards applicable pursuant to this article. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
A violation of this section is a misdemeanor."
I am by far no expert just posting what I read
Here is a link to the table of contents:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd12c5a2.htm
Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on
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You drive around without insurance?
Posted by Termin8Him (Member # 7895) on
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are you a cop??
Posted by spegull03 (Member # 2842) on
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Originally posted by Termin8Him:
are you a cop??
have your insurance card next time and they probably wouldnt hassle you as much ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on
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it really doesn't matter. Now days when they run your plate it says whether or not the car is insured. Plus, if you do not have insurance at some point the DMV will cancel your registration.
Posted by spegull03 (Member # 2842) on
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Originally posted by rgtrahn:
it really doesn't matter. Now days when they run your plate it says whether or not the car is insured. Plus, if you do not have insurance at some point the DMV will cancel your registration.
well obviously it does if he got a ticket for it ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Posted by Termin8Him (Member # 7895) on
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cop said once i show that i had insurance to court they'll just desmiss it...
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Sometimes they do, if the judge is nice, but normally they dont do that. Unless you can prove you had ins at the time of the ticket but didnt have proof on you. That DMV info is deep, they are breaking the law selling it to you, and you are breaking the law buying parts thats supposedly smog legal. And and yeah roll around in 4th or something. I head dudes rolling in 2nd and 3rd, that is just waiting for harrassment.
good luck, sounds like a bs ticket. well a BS stop, really shouldnt be rolling without ins.
[ October 21, 2007, 11:45 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
Posted by iceman302 (Member # 7180) on
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Originally posted by rgtrahn:
I may be wrong, but I believe the, "Clean Air Act of 1979" made it illegal to tamper with exhaust. I also found this on the DMV website, "27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified."
I believe that provisions simply states that you can't modify the exhaust to the extent that the decibel level exceeds the maximum level set in the other sections that it references.
Posted by 69 Resto-Mod Coupe (Member # 296) on
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Originally posted by rgtrahn:
it really doesn't matter. Now days when they run your plate it says whether or not the car is insured. Plus, if you do not have insurance at some point the DMV will cancel your registration.
Your still required to have proof of insurance with you.
16028. (a) Upon the demand of a peace officer pursuant to
subdivision (b) or upon the demand of a peace officer or traffic
collision investigator pursuant to subdivision (c), every person who
drives a motor vehicle upon a highway shall provide evidence of
financial responsibility for the vehicle that is in effect at the
time the demand is made. However, a peace officer shall not stop a
vehicle for the sole purpose of determining whether the vehicle is
being driven in violation of this subdivision
Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on
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Originally posted by 69 Resto-Mod Coupe:
quote:
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
it really doesn't matter. Now days when they run your plate it says whether or not the car is insured. Plus, if you do not have insurance at some point the DMV will cancel your registration.
Your still required to have proof of insurance with you.
16028. (a) Upon the demand of a peace officer pursuant to
subdivision (b) or upon the demand of a peace officer or traffic
collision investigator pursuant to subdivision (c), every person who
drives a motor vehicle upon a highway shall provide evidence of
financial responsibility for the vehicle that is in effect at the
time the demand is made. However, a peace officer shall not stop a
vehicle for the sole purpose of determining whether the vehicle is
being driven in violation of this subdivision
I think I was misunderstood. I meant that a peace officer knows if a car is insured or not when he/she runs your plates. Furthermore, you can simply write your policy number on your registration and that suffices as proof.
Posted by 69 Resto-Mod Coupe (Member # 296) on
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Originally posted by rgtrahn:
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Originally posted by 69 Resto-Mod Coupe:
quote:
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
it really doesn't matter. Now days when they run your plate it says whether or not the car is insured. Plus, if you do not have insurance at some point the DMV will cancel your registration.
Your still required to have proof of insurance with you.
16028. (a) Upon the demand of a peace officer pursuant to
subdivision (b) or upon the demand of a peace officer or traffic
collision investigator pursuant to subdivision (c), every person who
drives a motor vehicle upon a highway shall provide evidence of
financial responsibility for the vehicle that is in effect at the
time the demand is made. However, a peace officer shall not stop a
vehicle for the sole purpose of determining whether the vehicle is
being driven in violation of this subdivision
I think I was misunderstood. I meant that a peace officer knows if a car is insured or not when he/she runs your plates. Furthermore, you can simply write your policy number on your registration and that suffices as proof.
True... you can write it on a napkin if you want. It just has to be written down.
Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on
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Originally posted by Termin8Him:
are you a cop??
Yes I am. So, did you have insurance at the time and just didn't have proof or are you the type that rolls without insurance?
Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on
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Originally posted by cummins:
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Originally posted by Termin8Him:
are you a cop??
Yes I am. So, did you have insurance at the time and just didn't have proof or are you the type that rolls without insurance?
i thought you were a driver .. ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on
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I don't know about not being able to modify your exhaust but I know there are regulations on how loud your car can be.
Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on
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Make em get a search warrant to pop your hood,then laugh at how stupid they look when everything is CARB legal ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
,seriously.
Theyre going to far nowadays.
[ October 22, 2007, 11:09 PM: Message edited by: 50DADDY ]
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