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Posted by spegull03 (Member # 2842) on :
 
I dont know if you have seen this or not, but anyways, read this bullshit:

San Francisco Voters Approve Handgun Ban
By LOUISE CHU, Associated Press WriterWed Nov 9, 6:27 AM ET

Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters.

The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep handguns in their homes or businesses.

Only two other major U.S. cities — Washington and Chicago — have implemented such sweeping handgun bans.

With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it.

Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners would have to surrender their firearms by April.

A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms under California law.

The military recruitment initiative won with 60 percent in favor and 40 percent against.

The measure, dubbed "College Not Combat," opposes the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. However, it would not ban the armed forces from seeking enlistees at city campuses, since that would put schools at risk of losing federal funding.

It encourages city officials and university administrators to exclude recruiters and create scholarships and training programs that would reduce the military's appeal to young adults.

"We now have the moral weight of the city behind us, and it's definitely a valuable asset to have in our corner," said Bob Matthews, an activist for the proposition.
 
Posted by Fast_Bitch (Member # 2316) on :
 
thats a whole load of bullshit . . .. where did you find that ?
 
Posted by spegull03 (Member # 2842) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Fast_Bitch:
thats a whole load of bullshit . . .. where did you find that ?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/09/AR2005110900365.html

just do a google search for "SF gun ban"
 
Posted by Fast_Bitch (Member # 2316) on :
 
thanks guy . . . what prop was the one about abortion thing . . I wanna see how that turned out i think it was 17 ??
 
Posted by Fast_Bitch (Member # 2316) on :
 
score it didnt pass

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/13120215.htm
 
Posted by castor (Member # 2765) on :
 
It's not BS, all true. Current gun owners will need to surrender their weapons by April 1st of next year unless your job requires you to use one.
I believe there's an article I skimmed this morning saying this would be going to court.
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
well i guess youll need to get a baseball bat now instead. Besides guns are for pussys.. thats why i have a tire iron lol

[ November 09, 2005, 03:45 PM: Message edited by: boostin1.8 ]
 
Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
BB + PaintBall Guns [worship] [dance] [patriot] [worship]
 
Posted by 84GT5.0 (Member # 5227) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by castor:
It's not BS, all true. Current gun owners will need to surrender their weapons by April 1st of next year unless your job requires you to use one.
I believe there's an article I skimmed this morning saying this would be going to court.
So if you surrender it? do you get the $$$$ you payed for it back?
 
Posted by Bizob (Member # 3768) on :
 
How can this be so, You would think that this ban would be unconstitutional. States can make their own laws and whatnot as long as they do not interfre with what is written in the United States Constitution. In the end the US Constitution is the Law of the land, no ifs and or buts about it no matter what state you live in. The Second Amendment allows Americans to bear arms. Now wheter or not how you interpet the right to bear arms is up for grabs. "The NRA believes that The meaning of the Second Amendment depends upon who you talk to. The National Rifle Association, which has the Second Amendment (minus the militia clause) engraved on its headquarters building in Washington, insists that the Amendment guarantees the right of individuals to possess and carry a wide variety of firearms. Advocates of gun control contend that the Amendment was only meant to guarantee to States the right to operate militias. The Supreme Court could easily resolve this debate, but ever since the cryptic decision of U. S. vs. Miller in 1939, the Court has ducked the issue." - Taken from The Right to Bear Arms

IMO this is complete Bull Shit. I dont own any guns and probably never will. However I believe it is a basic constitutionl right to own a handgun as long as you do so in a legal law abiding way [patriot]
 
Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on :
 
Yeah, this is a bunch of shit. I'm sure the NRA will fight it in court. [BS flag] [BS flag]

For the record I voted against it [Mad]
 
Posted by castor (Member # 2765) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 92stangLX:
Yeah, this is a bunch of shit. I'm sure the NRA will fight it in court. [BS flag] [BS flag]

For the record I voted against it [Mad]
There's no doubt in my mind. I can assume that this is already in the works.
 
Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
Welcome to communist San Francisco. Leave your Constitutional rights at the door on the way in. oh yeah bring your KY jelly.
 
Posted by 84GT5.0 (Member # 5227) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by castor:
quote:
Originally posted by 92stangLX:
Yeah, this is a bunch of shit. I'm sure the NRA will fight it in court. [BS flag] [BS flag]

For the record I voted against it [Mad]
There's no doubt in my mind. I can assume that this is already in the works.
from what ive read, you assume correctly [Smile]
 
Posted by sic5pointSLOW (Member # 5889) on :
 
another reason why i hate SF. that is such a faggot city.
 
Posted by slidewayz94 (Member # 3101) on :
 
even though this has no effect on me I think it's [BS flag]
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
man you guys all sound like a bunch of rednecks. If yall wanna carry yalls fire arms why dontcha move on to texas [Roll Eyes] BTW im sure that the law has NO effect on anybody who has posted on this topic.
 
Posted by 84GT5.0 (Member # 5227) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sic5pointSLOW:
another reason why i hate SF. that is such a faggot city.
so true
 
Posted by Fast_Bitch (Member # 2316) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by boostin1.8:
man you guys all sound like a bunch of rednecks. If yall wanna carry yalls fire arms why dontcha move on to texas [Roll Eyes] BTW im sure that the law has NO effect on anybody who has posted on this topic.
[patriot]
so now you guys need to vote and not just complain about it . . so when it comes closer to home you can vocie and opinon dont get me wrong I dont agree with it but . . .

[ November 09, 2005, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: Fast_Bitch ]
 
Posted by 84GT5.0 (Member # 5227) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by boostin1.8:
man you guys all sound like a bunch of rednecks. If yall wanna carry yalls fire arms why dontcha move on to texas [Roll Eyes] BTW im sure that the law has NO effect on anybody who has posted on this topic.
As an avid gun enthusiast and multiple gun owner, i resent the statement relating gun owners to rednecks. Why should i have to live in texas to own a firearm. All of my guns are legal and registered, and all of the except my .357 magnum (on my nightstand with a trigger lock) are safely locked in a gunsafe. With all of the crazy fukks out there not only do i think it should be legal to own guns, but also to carry them loaded. Youre right it has no effect on me as i live in san jose, but if sf can do it what makes you think other cities wont follow suit? No hard feelings, just my $o.o2
 
Posted by 84GT5.0 (Member # 5227) on :
 
delete

[ November 09, 2005, 06:15 PM: Message edited by: 84GT5.0 ]
 
Posted by spegull03 (Member # 2842) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by boostin1.8:
man you guys all sound like a bunch of rednecks. If yall wanna carry yalls fire arms why dontcha move on to texas [Roll Eyes] BTW im sure that the law has NO effect on anybody who has posted on this topic.
[Roll Eyes] it has to do with the fact of taking away one of the main rights we have as citizens. and plus, the only ones that will be turning in there guns are the good, law-abiding citizens. all the wanna-be thugs and gangsters will still have theirs, because you know they arent registered.
[BS flag]
 
Posted by Throttle Stop (Member # 5515) on :
 
Rather than banning handguns, to me, the right thing is to enforce the laws that are on the books. I remember about 20 years ago, maybe more, there was a law about using a gun and going to jail. I don't know if that is still a current law, but it should be enforced, and stronger. If you use have a gun when commiting a crime, whether or not you use it, and you're found guilty in court or by admission, than automatic life in prison, no matter of your age.

Oh, and they'll need to build more prisons. I like that Sherrif in Arizona that uses tents in the desert. If every juristiction used the same ideas, crime would go down. Just my thoughts.
 
Posted by 84GT5.0 (Member # 5227) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Throttle Stop:
Rather than banning handguns, to me, the right thing is to enforce the laws that are on the books. I remember about 20 years ago, maybe more, there was a law about using a gun and going to jail. I don't know if that is still a current law, but it should be enforced, and stronger. If you use have a gun when commiting a crime, whether or not you use it, and you're found guilty in court or by admission, than automatic life in prison, no matter of your age.

Oh, and they'll need to build more prisons. I like that Sherrif in Arizona that uses tents in the desert. If every juristiction used the same ideas, crime would go down. Just my thoughts.
I agree with the prison time thing. 99.9% of gun owners dont use their guns in an illegal way. its the punk ass gangbangers that do that kind of crap. Fukk a desert tent prison, lets re open alcatraz!!!
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 84GT5.0:
quote:
Originally posted by boostin1.8:
man you guys all sound like a bunch of rednecks. If yall wanna carry yalls fire arms why dontcha move on to texas [Roll Eyes] BTW im sure that the law has NO effect on anybody who has posted on this topic.
As an avid gun enthusiast and multiple gun owner, i resent the statement relating gun owners to rednecks. Why should i have to live in texas to own a firearm. All of my guns are legal and registered, and all of the except my .357 magnum (on my nightstand with a trigger lock) are safely locked in a gunsafe. With all of the crazy fukks out there not only do i think it should be legal to own guns, but also to carry them loaded. Youre right it has no effect on me as i live in san jose, but if sf can do it what makes you think other cities wont follow suit? No hard feelings, just my $o.o2
NO hard feelings whats so ever, we are all just stating our opinions. Personaly I really dont have a problems with guns, I myself do not own one but I have thought about getting one. But what can you really do, The legislature went to a vote by the people and won.... That is the way america is, It is not like Arnold just went out and said YOU CANT OWN A GUN, the people of SF voted on it. That is the point Im making. If you live in SF and own a gun and didnt vote, then that is your fault and nobody else.
 
Posted by MustangNate (Member # 4559) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by boostin1.8:
man you guys all sound like a bunch of rednecks. If yall wanna carry yalls fire arms why dontcha move on to texas [Roll Eyes] BTW im sure that the law has NO effect on anybody who has posted on this topic.
Your redneck comment just shows how ignorant and childish you are, maybe while those of us that own guns are going to Texas you yourself should enroll yourself in a nice kindergarten class with people of the same mental status.

What does it matter if the law effected people that have posted or not? The matter shouldn't have even been brought forth. It directly conflicts and threatens the US Constitution and the very freedoms that millions of men and woman died and continue to die for.

First it starts with the 2nd Amendment, maybe the 5th and 6th Amendments will be next? Then maybe the 1st Amendment. When will it stop?

[ November 09, 2005, 08:59 PM: Message edited by: MustangNate ]
 
Posted by DennisG (Member # 163) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 84GT5.0:
So if you surrender it? do you get the $$$$ you payed for it back?
No reimbursement. Way to go San Francisco.

Thank God the criminals will be safe from all the evil law abiding, federal background checked, legal gun owners. (quoted from a poster on Glock Talk)

[ November 09, 2005, 09:12 PM: Message edited by: DennisG ]
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MustangNate:
quote:
Originally posted by boostin1.8:
man you guys all sound like a bunch of rednecks. If yall wanna carry yalls fire arms why dontcha move on to texas [Roll Eyes] BTW im sure that the law has NO effect on anybody who has posted on this topic.
Your redneck comment just shows how ignorant and childish you are, maybe while those of us that own guns are going to Texas you yourself should enroll yourself in a nice kindergarten class with people of the same mental status.

What does it matter if the law effected people that have posted or not? The matter shouldn't have even been brought forth. It directly conflicts and threatens the US Constitution and the very freedoms that millions of men and woman died and continue to die for.

First it starts with the 2nd Amendment, maybe the 5th and 6th Amendments will be next? Then maybe the 1st Amendment. When will it stop?
[Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes] Maybe you should read what I wrote right after that post....

[ November 09, 2005, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: boostin1.8 ]
 
Posted by 00SLVRGT (Member # 4509) on :
 
so i guess this means the gunshow there this weekend is cancelled? [Frown] [Frown] [BS flag]
 
Posted by Hele On (Member # 4107) on :
 
Gun Show at the Cow Palace? That's Daly City, not SF.
 
Posted by 1991CHP (Member # 5097) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sic5pointSLOW:
another reason why i hate SF. that is such a faggot city.
...just cause you would get your little ass put to work on a street corner, in a leather mini and a crotchless thong.......

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 1991CHP:
quote:
Originally posted by sic5pointSLOW:
another reason why i hate SF. that is such a faggot city.
...just cause you would get your little ass put to work on a street corner, in a leather mini and a crotchless thong.......

[Roll Eyes]
buhahahahahahahah that was great!
 
Posted by 1991CHP (Member # 5097) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by boostin1.8:
quote:
Originally posted by 1991CHP:
quote:
Originally posted by sic5pointSLOW:
another reason why i hate SF. that is such a faggot city.
...just cause you would get your little ass put to work on a street corner, in a leather mini and a crotchless thong.......

[Roll Eyes]
buhahahahahahahah that was great!
Thank you, thank you very much, I'll be here all week......... [Big Grin] [patriot]
 
Posted by Joooestang66 (Member # 2828) on :
 
I'm sure everyone in SF is going to turn in thier handguns.(Sarcasim) That's total BS. If the founding fathers saw what was going on today they'd shit thier pants. So suppose some guy on crank breaks into your house and you drop his ass with your Glock 20 10mm that you keep in your night stand for people trying to steal your stang. Do you go to jail because you're possesing a handgun in city limits? Probably. I guess that means that crackhead will be getting a Mossberg 500 Home Defender 12 guage in his chest instead. If I lived in SF and had a family theres no way I'd relinquish my handguns.

[ November 09, 2005, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: Joooestang66 ]
 
Posted by 1991CHP (Member # 5097) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Joooestang66:
I'm sure everyone in SF is going to turn in thier handguns.(Sarcasim) That's total BS. If the founding fathers saw what was going on today they'd shit thier pants. So suppose some guy on crank breaks into your house and you drop his ass with your Glock 20 10mm that you keep in your night stand for people trying to steal your stang. Do you go to jail because you're possesing a handgun in city limits? Probably. I guess that means that crackhead will be getting a Mossberg 500 Home Defender 12 guage in his chest instead. If I lived in SF and had a family theres no way I'd relinquish my handguns.
[patriot] Good shit. I stay in S.F. and Sac, and travel with my P226. I sleep like a baby.
 
Posted by Joooestang66 (Member # 2828) on :
 
I keep a P230 in the kitchen [Big Grin]
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Joooestang66:
I'm sure everyone in SF is going to turn in thier handguns.(Sarcasim) That's total BS. If the founding fathers saw what was going on today they'd shit thier pants. So suppose some guy on crank breaks into your house and you drop his ass with your Glock 20 10mm that you keep in your night stand for people trying to steal your stang. Do you go to jail because you're possesing a handgun in city limits? Probably. I guess that means that crackhead will be getting a Mossberg 500 Home Defender 12 guage in his chest instead. If I lived in SF and had a family theres no way I'd relinquish my handguns.
NO you would go to jail for killing a man...
 
Posted by 1991CHP (Member # 5097) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Joooestang66:
I keep a P230 in the kitchen [Big Grin]
Shit, I have a gun in every room in my house. You never can tell when some shit is going to happen, or where some one will break in at.
 
Posted by 84GT5.0 (Member # 5227) on :
 


[ November 10, 2005, 01:54 AM: Message edited by: 84GT5.0 ]
 
Posted by 84GT5.0 (Member # 5227) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 84GT5.0:
quote:
Originally posted by 1991CHP:
quote:
Originally posted by Joooestang66:
I keep a P230 in the kitchen [Big Grin]
Shit, I have a gun in every room in my house. You never can tell when some shit is going to happen, or where some one will break in at.
buckshot loaded mossberg 12 gauge pump under my bed, and a loaded taurus tracker stainless steel .357 mag with a box of 50 federal gvt rounds:)1/3 inch entrance wound, 5 inch exit
wound [Smile] i feel bad for whomever tries to steal the 5.0!!!
 
Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by spegull03:
...urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters.
I wonder if they realize the true outcome of this vote? Can you say higher taxes and lost Federal dollars?
 
Posted by 94gt (Member # 3060) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by JohnB:
quote:
Originally posted by spegull03:
...urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters.
I wonder if they realize the true outcome of this vote? Can you say higher taxes and lost Federal dollars?
+1 [patriot]
 
Posted by z pyro (Member # 3745) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MustangNate:
quote:
Originally posted by boostin1.8:
man you guys all sound like a bunch of rednecks. If yall wanna carry yalls fire arms why dontcha move on to texas [Roll Eyes] BTW im sure that the law has NO effect on anybody who has posted on this topic.
Your redneck comment just shows how ignorant and childish you are, maybe while those of us that own guns are going to Texas you yourself should enroll yourself in a nice kindergarten class with people of the same mental status.

What does it matter if the law effected people that have posted or not? The matter shouldn't have even been brought forth. It directly conflicts and threatens the US Constitution and the very freedoms that millions of men and woman died and continue to die for.

First it starts with the 2nd Amendment, maybe the 5th and 6th Amendments will be next? Then maybe the 1st Amendment. When will it stop?
I agree with the first two points, especially the second. so what if a majority of voters voted for it, it's still in direct conflict with the Constitution. which is, last time I checked, the highest law of the land, and no state, city, or county laws can conflict with it.

but the last comment is a huge slippery slope, and is not true in the least
 
Posted by CobraKilla (Member # 1449) on :
 
Well technically they can do this providing they use "due process" I believe. The question is does a vote like this count as "due process?" Just thinking out loud...I own several guns (handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc) myself so I think this law blows too...
 




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