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Posted by 91 5.0 5speed (Member # 1867) on :
 
I know alot of the guys on this board workout and go to the gym alot. So I was wondering what kind of supplements you guys would reccommend to someone who is looking to lose weight and gain more muscle.I have been going to the gym every other day for the last month and 1/2 and have noticed a strength increase but I have only lost about 10 lbs or so. Basically I am not trying to get super huge I just want lean muscle. Any help would be appreciated
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
how much cardio do you do?
 
Posted by 5.0-srt-4 (Member # 5864) on :
 
I stacked beverly 7keto musclean and beverly lean out and got perfect results I continue to buy from them because they have proven results
 
Posted by 91 5.0 5speed (Member # 1867) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
how much cardio do you do?
just 1/2 hour to 45 minutes and 45minutes to 1 hour of lifting
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
If you lost 10 lbs in a month, that is kick ass. Supplements? Hell, I have had the best results of my life in the past six months with only taking vitamins and the correct dosage of protein, carbs, fat, and vegetables. I've cut out processed foods and cut out all supplements, including protein supps. I still average 1 (or more) grams of protein per lb of body weight just with chicken and fish.

You will see other threads...one not to long ago...about supplements that do work. However, unless you plan on taking supps your whole life, they primarily are effective while on them and then when off them...you lose the size, strength, or stamina you gained while on them.
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
How tall is everyone and how much do you weight?
6'2" 213lbs here.
What is your ideal weight you want to be also?
I am bulking to 250 and then i am going to cut down to 225.

[ September 19, 2005, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: Cobra5.0Jeep ]
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
If you lost 10 lbs in a month, that is kick ass. Supplements? Hell, I have had the best results of my life in the past six months with only taking vitamins and the correct dosage of protein, carbs, fat, and vegetables. I've cut out processed foods and cut out all supplements, including protein supps. I still average 1 (or more) grams of protein per lb of body weight just with chicken and fish.

You will see other threads...one not to long ago...about supplements that do work. However, unless you plan on taking supps your whole life, they primarily are effective while on them and then when off them...you lose the size, strength, or stamina you gained while on them.
what team solo said, 10 lbs in a month is freakin awsome dude... as long as your still loosing weight keep doing what your doing... Its actually unhealthy for you to loose alot of weight in a short period of time.
 
Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
How tall is everyone and how much do you weight?
6'2" 213lbs here.
What is your ideal weight you want to be also?
I am bulking to 250 and then i am going to cut down to 225.
6'2" 265 here

I would like to get down to 225-230. How do I do it?
 
Posted by LuvMy04GT (Member # 4791) on :
 
5'8" 200, hopefully i can get down to 180. deadlifted 365 3times last week goin for 6-8 reps this week [Whoo Whooooo!]
 
Posted by LuvMy04GT (Member # 4791) on :
 
woops make that 335 [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
5' 10" 173lbs. I don't put a number on the look/feel that I am going for. Once I am right where I want to be, I'll let you know the weight.

A few years ago, I was a 231# fatass [Eek!]

I used to 'want' to be big. Now I just want to be slim n lean.
 
Posted by BCINGUU (Member # 2397) on :
 
I have a lot of experience bulking up and losing fat. My best fat loss was 60 pounds in 6 months, that was about 5 years ago. Unfortunately I'm an ectomorph so I'm not a big guy, but I've added 40 pounds of muscle in 5 years. So here's my 2 cents.

First, lose the fat. Forget about bulking until you slim down to the bodyfat level you want to be at. The best and fastest way to lose fat is with a Cyclic Ketogenic Diet (look it up) and supplements to mobilize lipids and keep your metabolism running hot, I use Guggulbolic and Ketoburn 7. All other diets based on calorie reduction will cause you to lose valuable muscle, and your metabolism will slow down.

When you're at the bodyfat you want, it's time to start bulking. Prohormones are a great way to go, but unfortunately our fine leader outlawed them this year thanks to the baseball scandal. Why does the government like to legislate our private lives, I dont' know. So you're screwed there unless you're clever. No other supplements will give you serious results (unless you want to hit the juice, which is serious business).

You don't want to bulk up first because you will get disappointed with your results until you slim down, plus you will inevitably lose muscle when you lose fat. It's just a question of keeping muscle loss to a minimum, which is why you want the ketogenic diet. Also, you cannot lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
How tall is everyone and how much do you weight?
6'2" 213lbs here.
What is your ideal weight you want to be also?
I am bulking to 250 and then i am going to cut down to 225.
6'2" 265 here

I would like to get down to 225-230. How do I do it?
Cardio
Resistance training

And each meal should contain the following:

Protein
Carbs (controlled - only one serving)
Fat
Veggies

Try and make all the foods above not be anything processed. Get your protein from meats/fish, get your carbs from fruits/rice (stuff like that), get your fat from nuts/seeds....and eat veggies.

One of my brothers used to eat a bowl of oatmeal with raisans and a glass of OJ and a glass of milk for breakfast everyday. It 'sounds' healthy, but it is just loading up on a shit load of carbs. He didn't get the right amount of protein and literally had no fat in his breakfast at all.
 
Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
How tall is everyone and how much do you weight?
6'2" 213lbs here.
What is your ideal weight you want to be also?
I am bulking to 250 and then i am going to cut down to 225.
6'2" 265 here

I would like to get down to 225-230. How do I do it?
Cardio
Resistance training

And each meal should contain the following:

Protein
Carbs (controlled - only one serving)
Fat
Veggies

Try and make all the foods above not be anything processed. Get your protein from meats/fish, get your carbs from fruits/rice (stuff like that), get your fat from nuts/seeds....and eat veggies.

One of my brothers used to eat a bowl of oatmeal with raisans and a glass of OJ and a glass of milk for breakfast everyday. It 'sounds' healthy, but it is just loading up on a shit load of carbs. He didn't get the right amount of protein and literally had no fat in his breakfast at all.
Thanks! How much is one serving exactly?, and when you say "controlled" does that mean no bad carbs?
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
Im 5'9 165 now, Before I started lifting on a daily basis (about 2 years ago) I was only 120 lbs... So ive put on about 45lbs about 35 of it muscle.. Ive leveled off latly so I need to start eating more and start taking supliments again..
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50: Thanks! How much is one serving exactly?, and when you say "controlled" does that mean no bad carbs? [/QB]
Well, if you are going to have a glass of orange juice with breakfast, don't have the bowl of oatmeal and the raisans along with it. If you are going to have a serving of potatoes with dinner, don't have that garlic bread to go with it. Many people will not be 'die-hard' and will have to splurge. The best thing to do is to eat in portions of what you eat now . I eat the same amount of calroies that I did when I was 195 lbs. The only difference is that I increased protein and fat calorie intake while decreasing my carbohydrate intake.

Most people think that a low fat diet is the way to go. Not true. People gain fat from excess carbs...they don't gain fat from fat.

[ September 19, 2005, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Team SOLO ]
 
Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
- GNC MALE MEGA VITAMIN PAK
- MUSCLE MILK
- GNC 100% WHEY PROTEIN (optional)
- ZANTREX 3

remember, 60% of a rock hard body is the diet...the rest is sleep and a proper workout routine. when it comes to your diet, eat 5-6 small meals a day. keep the portion size to an "ok" amount. keeping your metabolism working constantly is key. eat lots of protein....fish, chicken, vegs, and healthy snacks. stay away from carbs and sugar, or atleast keep them at a minimal amount.

for some good results, when you wake up, go for a run, and that will put your body in a fat burning mode for the entire day. do like a 15-20min jog/run...

after work or school, over even in between, do like a 30-45 workout with weights, and ab work. then repeat the ab work before bed time...

when you work out with weights, it isnt going to be how much you can lift, but HOW long you can continue lifting. dont lift your max right away, but keep your heart rating going. superset your workouts. go from one workout to another, but keep it at a comfortable rate, that you will feel stress and pressure on your muscles.

hope that helps.

marek
 
Posted by 91 5.0 5speed (Member # 1867) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
How tall is everyone and how much do you weight?
6'2" 213lbs here.
What is your ideal weight you want to be also?
I am bulking to 250 and then i am going to cut down to 225.
I am 6'1 and weigh 230lbs I would like to get to around 210lbs of lean muscle. I am not a fat ass or anything like that I just want to lose the gut and have good muscle definition. I can bench about 280lbs as of last week which I think is pretty decent for me. But like I said i'm not looking to be the next Arnold [Big Grin]

[ September 19, 2005, 04:46 PM: Message edited by: 91 5.0 5speed ]
 
Posted by RobertTS (Member # 1022) on :
 
If u want to loose weight,,use a good cardio workout and take this supplement,,it'll help u out a lot,,"RIPPED FUEL EXTREME" [worship] [worship]
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by boostin1.8:
Im 5'9 165 now, Before I started lifting on a daily basis (about 2 years ago) I was only 120 lbs... So ive put on about 45lbs about 35 of it muscle.. Ive leveled off latly so I need to start eating more and start taking supliments again..
When i started lifting i weight 130ish, that was about 5 years ago now i weight 213lbs.

i lifted heavier than normal today warmed up with 135lbs then did 245 for 10 reps spotted on 2, then i did 265 for 6 reps spotted on 1. then i dropped it down to 205 and did a set of 12. It was good. i just did 135 for 3 sets of 12 on the incline and did 70 dumbells on decline for 3 sets. For a cool down i did flat bench flies with 20lb dumbells 15 reps for 3 sets. Going to max out tomorrow on deadlifts. [Big Grin]

[ September 20, 2005, 02:39 AM: Message edited by: Cobra5.0Jeep ]
 
Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
I'm 5'9 and weight 187.. body fat is still too high.. 18%
For the last two 1/2 months I have been pretty discipline with my diet and work out and so far I've seen noticeable results.
I went from 175lbs with 24% body fat to where I'm now.
I'm have just been trying to loose body fat by doing light weights and lots of reps but I guess my body is still gaining muscle eventhough that's not my goal.

As for carbohydrates... cut down on them, but don't eliminate them.. You will not grow, or it'll be harder to grow if you don't have carbs on your diet. eat complex carbs. If you eat bread, have wheat bread. rice ... have brown rice. Etc. etc.
whatch how many calories you eat.. and do tons of cardio.. i really don't do any, but no my results would be much impressive if i did.
I just hate running. [Razz]
good luck.
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jmir018:
I'm 5'9 and weight 187.. body fat is still too high.. 18%
For the last two 1/2 months I have been pretty discipline with my diet and work out and so far I've seen noticeable results.
I went from 175lbs with 24% body fat to where I'm now.
I'm have just been trying to loose body fat by doing light weights and lots of reps but I guess my body is still gaining muscle eventhough that's not my goal.

As for carbohydrates... cut down on them, but don't eliminate them.. You will not grow, or it'll be harder to grow if you don't have carbs on your diet. eat complex carbs. If you eat bread, have wheat bread. rice ... have brown rice. Etc. etc.
whatch how many calories you eat.. and do tons of cardio.. i really don't do any, but no my results would be much impressive if i did.
I just hate running. [Razz]
good luck.
18% isnt really that bad... when i first started I was at 7% im probebly at about 10% now.. dont wanna go any higher then that cause i hate cardio lol
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jmir018:
I'm 5'9 and weight 187.. body fat is still too high.. 18%
For the last two 1/2 months I have been pretty discipline with my diet and work out and so far I've seen noticeable results.
I went from 175lbs with 24% body fat to where I'm now.
I'm have just been trying to loose body fat by doing light weights and lots of reps but I guess my body is still gaining muscle eventhough that's not my goal.

As for carbohydrates... cut down on them, but don't eliminate them.. You will not grow, or it'll be harder to grow if you don't have carbs on your diet. eat complex carbs. If you eat bread, have wheat bread. rice ... have brown rice. Etc. etc.
whatch how many calories you eat.. and do tons of cardio.. i really don't do any, but no my results would be much impressive if i did.
I just hate running. [Razz]
good luck.
The more muscle you build the more fat you burn. Doing light weights with high reps won't get you defined, its all about diet and cardio. If you lift heavy enough that you build muscle and then do cardio you will see the gains you want to see.
 
Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
Dude.. you said you were at7% body fat when you started? damn.. you must have been a toothpick.. [Razz]
 
Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
quote:
Originally posted by Jmir018:
I'm 5'9 and weight 187.. body fat is still too high.. 18%
For the last two 1/2 months I have been pretty discipline with my diet and work out and so far I've seen noticeable results.
I went from 175lbs with 24% body fat to where I'm now.
I'm have just been trying to loose body fat by doing light weights and lots of reps but I guess my body is still gaining muscle eventhough that's not my goal.

As for carbohydrates... cut down on them, but don't eliminate them.. You will not grow, or it'll be harder to grow if you don't have carbs on your diet. eat complex carbs. If you eat bread, have wheat bread. rice ... have brown rice. Etc. etc.
whatch how many calories you eat.. and do tons of cardio.. i really don't do any, but no my results would be much impressive if i did.
I just hate running. [Razz]
good luck.
The more muscle you build the more fat you burn. Doing light weights with high reps won't get you defined, its all about diet and cardio. If you lift heavy enough that you build muscle and then do cardio you will see the gains you want to see.
very true, BUT if you do light weights, and do high reps in a cardio fashion, you WILL see gains. that is why, to see great gains, superset your workouts. dont take more then a 30sec. break in-between your sets/excersises.....

marek
 
Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
Couldn't resist posting my seminaked pic [Razz] -
I need to grow some traps bad.. [Frown] [Mad]
 
Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
dude, you got a great frame to work with....youll grow those traps easy. when you do shrugs, just make sure to try and "reach for the sky" when doing em! [Smile] [patriot] and youll get killer traps...

marek
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
dude, you got a great frame to work with....youll grow those traps easy. when you do shrugs, just make sure to try and "reach for the sky" when doing em! [Smile] [patriot] and youll get killer traps...

marek
just don't roll your shoulders, you can tear your rotary cuff or other injuries.

If we're going to post pics, heres my newest
-
wish i knew my arms weren't turned right to show my biceps [Frown]
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
quote:
Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
dude, you got a great frame to work with....youll grow those traps easy. when you do shrugs, just make sure to try and "reach for the sky" when doing em! [Smile] [patriot] and youll get killer traps...

marek
just don't roll your shoulders, you can tear your rotary cuff or other injuries.

If we're going to post pics, heres my newest
-
wish i knew my arms weren't turned right to show my biceps [Frown]
wtf...why do you have a space heater? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
quote:
Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
dude, you got a great frame to work with....youll grow those traps easy. when you do shrugs, just make sure to try and "reach for the sky" when doing em! [Smile] [patriot] and youll get killer traps...

marek
just don't roll your shoulders, you can tear your rotary cuff or other injuries.

If we're going to post pics, heres my newest
-
wish i knew my arms weren't turned right to show my biceps [Frown]
wtf...why do you have a space heater? [Big Grin]
Cause i don't like sleeping without some kind of background noise. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
Took a new picture [Razz]
-

On another note, i had the caliper bodyfat test taken today and i have 15% [Frown]
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
Heres an online bodyfat predictor, when i took it a month ago it said i had 13.5% bodyfat so its not that much off if you do really good measuring.

http://www.healthcentral.com/cooltools/nutrition/homebodyfattest.aspx
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
You have 7.5% body fat.

You have 12 pounds of fat and 148 pounds pounds of lean (muscle, bone, body water).

[patriot] [patriot]
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Took a new picture [Razz]


On another note, i had the caliper bodyfat test taken today and i have 15% [Frown]
Dont trust those caliper tests. They are a crock of sh!t. I took a night job as a personal trainer at 24 hour a fitness a couple years back. I was in a 'bulk up' phase and it showed that I was at a lower bodd fat % than one of the ripped trainers. Not only that, if you do not pinch in the EXACT same spot as you did the time before, the data is skewed.

The only true body fat test is the underwater test...or an autopsy [Smile]
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Took a new picture [Razz]


On another note, i had the caliper bodyfat test taken today and i have 15% [Frown]
Dont trust those caliper tests. They are a crock of sh!t. I took a night job as a personal trainer at 24 hour a fitness a couple years back. I was in a 'bulk up' phase and it showed that I was at a lower bodd fat % than one of the ripped trainers. Not only that, if you do not pinch in the EXACT same spot as you did the time before, the data is skewed.

The only true body fat test is the underwater test...or an autopsy [Smile]
I dont know that doesnt seem that far off. Last time i had a real one done I was at 7%. I would say though im probebly at about 8-9% though (started to get a little bulky around the mid section because of my bulking lol but as long as my chest sticks out past my tummy im cool lol)
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Took a new picture [Razz]


On another note, i had the caliper bodyfat test taken today and i have 15% [Frown]
Dont trust those caliper tests. They are a crock of sh!t. I took a night job as a personal trainer at 24 hour a fitness a couple years back. I was in a 'bulk up' phase and it showed that I was at a lower bodd fat % than one of the ripped trainers. Not only that, if you do not pinch in the EXACT same spot as you did the time before, the data is skewed.

The only true body fat test is the underwater test...or an autopsy [Smile]
its the second most acccurate body fat test you can take. Obviously the person who did you didn't know what they were doing.
 
Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
i heard is up to %2 accurate.
Which is not bad at all.

damn.. cobra jeep.. that second pic was a nice improvement over the second one. [Razz]
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jmir018:
i heard is up to %2 accurate.
Which is not bad at all.

damn.. cobra jeep.. that second pic was a nice improvement over the second one. [Razz]
yeah thats after i started doing BALCO [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Took a new picture [Razz]


On another note, i had the caliper bodyfat test taken today and i have 15% [Frown]
Dont trust those caliper tests. They are a crock of sh!t. I took a night job as a personal trainer at 24 hour a fitness a couple years back. I was in a 'bulk up' phase and it showed that I was at a lower bodd fat % than one of the ripped trainers. Not only that, if you do not pinch in the EXACT same spot as you did the time before, the data is skewed.

The only true body fat test is the underwater test...or an autopsy [Smile]
its the second most acccurate body fat test you can take. Obviously the person who did you didn't know what they were doing.
Third most...I already posted the first/second most accurate [Razz]
 
Posted by twisted54 (Member # 1981) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
How tall is everyone and how much do you weight?
6'2" 213lbs here.
What is your ideal weight you want to be also?
I am bulking to 250 and then i am going to cut down to 225.
6'1" 235

35+ lbs of beer gut... [Big Grin]

[ September 23, 2005, 01:26 AM: Message edited by: twisted54 ]
 
Posted by Team SOLO (Member # 722) on :
 
Damn, just weighed in this morning....171.5

That is officially a 60# weight loss from my max of 231 [Eek!]
 
Posted by boostin1.8 (Member # 868) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Team SOLO:
Damn, just weighed in this morning....171.5

That is officially a 60# weight loss from my max of 231 [Eek!]
congrats!
 
Posted by RixSikCobra (Member # 5058) on :
 
Bammm! Congrats! [patriot]
 




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