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[QUOTE]Originally posted by N8: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by That_Guy: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by N8: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by That_Guy: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by N8: [qb] Cop will lose his job, guy will get paid. [/qb][/QUOTE]I do not believe this officer will lose his job. I think he used the proper and necessary force to overcome resistance and a review of this indecent from internal affairs will clear him of any wrong doing... He identified himself, took control of the scene and escorted a clearly unstable individual away from an agitated crowd that could have easily interfered or provoked a more serious situation while attempting to take the man into custody. The window breaking was clearly not intentional and just a freak accident. Of course it looks bad, but that is not the fault of the officer. As someone else said you can see the suspect's hand hit the glass before any other body part of the suspect. To me that is a clear indication the suspect is still resisting and bracing himself against the officer. Also as mentioned, both the officer and suspect were injured. The suspect's injuries included a few cuts. The officer required stitches and had a concussion. I highly doubt this officer would put himself in situation where he may be severely injured or even killed. Remember the goal of any law enforcement officer is to make it home safely to their families at EOW. Furthermore, People are to quick to judge and are hypersensitive... This was a no win situation for the officer, who was just doing his job. It would not have mattered what force he used. His decision making would still be second guess and maybe more so if he used other means of force such as OC, taser or baton. Hindsight is always 20/20 and there is always something that could have been done different or maybe even better. The man and his family will get some type of settlement only because it is cheaper for BART and the taxpaying citizens to settle out of court than litigate in a courtroom. [/qb][/QUOTE]You must didnt watch the same vid I watched lol. The officer did put some "umph" on the relocatin to the wall. The dude was not struggling or fighting and appeared to be subdued for the most part IMO. But like I said, I have no sympathy for the offender and feel sorry for the cop. But even I could get a cool settlement for him with that video. [/qb][/QUOTE]Well here is the video I watched... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbk5EsuTQxg You can see the suspect clearly dragging his feet and resisting the officer's escort and then continue to resist all the way to the ground. You can see how agitated and unstable the man is on the train and the confrontation that is just starting to occur with another BART rider... The officer has to go in there and take control. What do you want the officer to do? Officer: "Sir, Sir come step off the train and tell me what is going on" (because I have no command presence and I am afraid of what people might think tomorrow.) Suspect: "Fuck you, I am king of this...blah blah" (Giving the suspect time to take a fighting stance and making a bad situation worse. It would have been all bad if it would have gone hands on in that small train car with a crowd of people) Like I said, hind sight it 20/20, but that is not how reasonable force works in our country... The officer used necessary and reasonable force at that moment to overcome the resistance of again a clearly agitated and unstable man. I want to know why that was glass and not plexiglas or some other material... That is really what makes this whole incident look bad. Sometimes you have to check someone against a wall to get their attention and overcome their resistance and again that would not be "excessive"! [/qb][/QUOTE]My point is IMO, the slam against the window was excessive. And it will not take much to prove that it takes a good amount of force to break a window that thick, thus a guilty would not be hard to get on a excessive force charge. Which will lead to mental anguish charges, which will lead to civil rights charges, which lead..... you see where this is going? Whether he deserved it or not, who knows. But judging from the video, getting a jury of his peers to say guilty doesnt seem very hard. Especially coming off the last BART issue. They will probably bend over and just take it. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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