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MANILA, Philippines – The camp of Manny Pacquiao insisted on Monday night that the Filipino boxing superstar get the bigger share of the pie in his proposed fight with Miguel Cotto, while stressing the catch weight should be between 144 to 145 pounds.
“We’ll not accept the fight if it is not going to be a 65-35 split in our favor," said Pacquiao's lawyer Franklin Gacal, who was with the world’s pound-for-pound king during the ribbon-cutting rite for a downtown hotel and casino in Manila together with chief of staff Jake Joson and business manager Eric Pineda.
Trainer Freddie Roach has also been batting for a bigger share for Pacquiao, even raising the ante by declaring that the General Santos City native deserves a 70-30 purse split.
Gacal, meanwhile, said that a catch weight lower than 144-145, if possible, would even be better for them.
“Kung puwede pa ngang mag-142, e di pipigain pa namin yan," he said of the wishful thinking, well aware that Cotto is definitely not going down lower than 144 and has not fought below the welterweight limit of 147 since 2006.
Pacquiao kept his silent for most of the time, opting to take a look first at the proposal laid out by Top Rank Promotions’ Bob Arum to his Canadian adviser Michael Koncz.
Koncz had a meeting with Arum over the weekend at the promoter’s home in Las Vegas and has yet to present to Pacquiao the details of the proposal.
But Pacquiao apparently wants the fight to be held on October 17 and not November 14 as scheduled by Arum.
He intends to start training at the Wild Card gym by mid-August should Arum accede to his request for an earlier ring return. - GMANews.TV
At first I was thinking that Cotto had a good shot at beating pacman, If he agrees to these terms I believe he will get his ass kicked! If he fights on this date, it will only be 4 months since his last fight and that cut "might" not be fully healed. Plus they are trying to rape him at the negotiating table, and make him dehydrate himself to make weight. They are basically stacking the deck against him. If I were him I would tell them to fuck off and go fight Shane Mosely or Mayweather.
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Everything in my thread about this is coming to fruition...lmao.
My Key points:
Cotto will not be able to make a catch weight.
PacMan will not fight @ Cottos weight class (147).
Pac will want a tilted purse cut.
Cotto will not accept that.
Not to mention Cotto will not win and has little chance of doing so and @ 140-144 he has less of a chance.
Looks like that Mosely match is looking all the more tantalizing as I stated...lol. And just because a promoter promotes both fighters does not mean anything in purse negotiations for the most part. Each fighter has representatives and camps that want their fair cut. If I were Pac's handlers I would reach out to Oscar immediately. His name alone has more draw than Cotto as a boxer.
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Everything in my thread about this is coming to fruition...lmao.
My Key points:
Cotto will not be able to make a catch weight.
PacMan will not fight @ Cottos weight class (147).
Pac will want a tilted purse cut.
Cotto will not accept that.
Not to mention Cotto will not win and has little chance of doing so and @ 140-144 he has less of a chance.
Looks like that Mosely match is looking all the more tantalizing as I stated...lol. And just because a promoter promotes both fighters does not mean anything in purse negotiations for the most part. Each fighter has representatives and camps that want their fair cut. If I were Pac's handlers I would reach out to Oscar immediately. His name alone has more draw than Cotto as a boxer.
I think Cotto has a GOOD chance at beating him at 147lbs. If they were totally confident in pacman then they would fight at 147lbs. he fought Oscar at 147lbs.. Sounds like someone is trying to stack the deck because they have doubts! They said oscar could weight no more than 147lbs on FIGHT NIGHT! in his contract. which is why he was so slow and weak. They are trying to do the same thing to Cotto. I would tell them to get fucked if I were him
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+1 i think Mosley is the best competitor for pacman. In this days boxing pacman hasnt met a fighter in his prime.But in my opinion sugar shane can take some of those hits from pacman and exchange some of his own it would be good to see both fighters tested for once.
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Cotto has a history of barely making his weight. Oscar is washed up, I do not give that fight as much weight as others give it. Not taking nothing from Pacman. Now his Hatton fight to me was more astounding.
Either way I just think this fight is not ideal. Pac would be a fool IMO to face Cotto at 147, alot of risk with not much pay-off (outside of money). While I do have faith in Pacman pulling this one out. He wont come out with a belt (a worth while belt that is) and he is essentially giving Cotto a chance to redeem his career. Plus I think without a skewed purse he wont make as much cash as a fight with Mosely. IMO Cotto is attempting to piggy back on the Pac train right now. Mosely brings more to the table in the form of career boosting.
He brings a championship.
Recognized as the best in the division right now.
He is a future Hall of Famer and everyone loves having those victories on their resume.
He poses more a challenge skills wise.
He brings Oscar, Bernard and Golden Boy as ambassadors for this match.
The ability to fight at catch weights
65/35 split purse.
Same amount of risk IMO but more pay-off across the board. Not to mention I think Shane can win this.
[ June 23, 2009, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
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Cotto has a history of barely making his weight. Oscar is washed up, I do not give that fight as much weight as others give it. Not taking nothing from Pacman. Now his Hatton fight to me was more astounding.
Either way I just think this fight is not ideal. Pac would be a fool IMO to face Cotto at 147, alot of risk with not much pay-off (outside of money). While I do have faith in Pacman pulling this one out. He wont come out with a belt (a worth while belt that is) and he is essentially giving Cotto a chance to redeem his career. Plus I think without a skewed purse he wont make as much cash as a fight with Mosely. IMO Cotto is attempting to piggy back on the Pac train right now. Mosely brings more to the table in the form of career boosting.
He brings a championship.
Recognized as the best in the division right now.
He is a future Hall of Famer and everyone loves having those victories on their resume.
He poses more a challenge skills wise.
He brings Oscar, Bernard and Golden Boy as ambassadors for this match.
The ability to fight at catch weights
65/35 split purse.
Same amount of risk IMO but more pay-off across the board. Not to mention I think Shane can win this.
I think in the back of Roach's and pacmans mind, they think Moseley can win which is why they are saying no. Cotto could win too if the fight was at 147lbs. Why do you think they are making so many provisions? Two of the three best ways to avoid a fight are either #1 price yourself out of the fight. or # 2 make so many b.s provisions that the other guy will say NO Fuckin Way!. # 3 is by just saying No! lol!
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Originally posted by N8:
Cotto has a history of barely making his weight. Oscar is washed up, I do not give that fight as much weight as others give it. Not taking nothing from Pacman. Now his Hatton fight to me was more astounding.
Either way I just think this fight is not ideal. Pac would be a fool IMO to face Cotto at 147, alot of risk with not much pay-off (outside of money). While I do have faith in Pacman pulling this one out. He wont come out with a belt (a worth while belt that is) and he is essentially giving Cotto a chance to redeem his career. Plus I think without a skewed purse he wont make as much cash as a fight with Mosely. IMO Cotto is attempting to piggy back on the Pac train right now. Mosely brings more to the table in the form of career boosting.
He brings a championship.
Recognized as the best in the division right now.
He is a future Hall of Famer and everyone loves having those victories on their resume.
He poses more a challenge skills wise.
He brings Oscar, Bernard and Golden Boy as ambassadors for this match.
The ability to fight at catch weights
65/35 split purse.
Same amount of risk IMO but more pay-off across the board. Not to mention I think Shane can win this.
I think in the back of Roach's and pacmans mind, they think Moseley can win which is why they are saying no. Cotto could win too if the fight was at 147lbs. Why do you think they are making so many provisions? Two of the three best ways to avoid a fight are either #1 price yourself out of the fight. or # 2 make so many b.s provisions that the other guy will say NO Fuckin Way!. # 3 is by just saying No! lol!
Agreed, but the funny thing is all those provisions are the same ones that Mosely offered before they made those pre-requisites to Cotto. So if that fight isnt made and they say no Mosely. That puts Pacs next fight with the like of Berto or The Punisher....and we no P-Dub mill murder him and no one will pay to see Berto. Pac's handlers could be setting themselves up for a big FAIL.
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Originally posted by N8:
Cotto has a history of barely making his weight. Oscar is washed up, I do not give that fight as much weight as others give it. Not taking nothing from Pacman. Now his Hatton fight to me was more astounding.
Either way I just think this fight is not ideal. Pac would be a fool IMO to face Cotto at 147, alot of risk with not much pay-off (outside of money). While I do have faith in Pacman pulling this one out. He wont come out with a belt (a worth while belt that is) and he is essentially giving Cotto a chance to redeem his career. Plus I think without a skewed purse he wont make as much cash as a fight with Mosely. IMO Cotto is attempting to piggy back on the Pac train right now. Mosely brings more to the table in the form of career boosting.
He brings a championship.
Recognized as the best in the division right now.
He is a future Hall of Famer and everyone loves having those victories on their resume.
He poses more a challenge skills wise.
He brings Oscar, Bernard and Golden Boy as ambassadors for this match.
The ability to fight at catch weights
65/35 split purse.
Same amount of risk IMO but more pay-off across the board. Not to mention I think Shane can win this.
I think in the back of Roach's and pacmans mind, they think Moseley can win which is why they are saying no. Cotto could win too if the fight was at 147lbs. Why do you think they are making so many provisions? Two of the three best ways to avoid a fight are either #1 price yourself out of the fight. or # 2 make so many b.s provisions that the other guy will say NO Fuckin Way!. # 3 is by just saying No! lol!
Agreed, but the funny thing is all those provisions are the same ones that Mosely offered before they made those pre-requisites to Cotto. So if that fight isnt made and they say no Mosely. That puts Pacs next fight with the like of Berto or The Punisher....and we no P-Dub mill murder him and no one will pay to see Berto. Pac's handlers could be setting themselves up for a big FAIL.
Pacman will NEVER get in the ring with paul Williams LOL! he could always fight marquez again or one of the 140lb champions like Kendall Holt Tim Bradley etc.. Cotto does have a bigger fanbase than Moseley does though. Black fighters gernerally don"t have a large fanbase nowadays..
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No doubt he will Never fight PW. But my point is he is being view as the giant slayer/legend killer and a dude that fights the best of the best. So if they price themselves out of the 2 top best "ideal" guys. Then that will leave him the best "no-win" guys. That is where Paul Williams comes in. Right now PacMan just cannot fight average guys.
I like Kendall Holt but he has next to no fanbase. Hell his mamma is a Mosely fan. he needs blockbusters. Bradley and Holt are not that...lol
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No doubt he will Never fight PW. But my point is he is being view as the giant slayer/legend killer and a dude that fights the best of the best. So if they price themselves out of the 2 top best "ideal" guys. Then that will leave him the best "no-win" guys. That is where Paul Williams comes in. Right now PacMan just cannot fight average guys.
I like Kendall Holt but he has next to no fanbase. Hell his mamma is a Mosely fan. he needs blockbusters. Bradley and Holt are not that...lol
I know they are not blockbusters but they are fights he can take to stay active if he can"t pull off the BIG fight. this catchweight stuff is B.S.!
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
IMO Cotto did not win that fight v Shane. I had it close but for Shane. I still contend at present moment Mosely has more drawing power. And like I pointed out he brings more to the table than Cotto. The world will never know if Margs gloves were loaded against Cotto, but the fact remains Shane dismantled Marg and turned the clock back to when he was pound for pound king. And if you think Shane is not the #1 then you cant possibly think it is Cotto. And Winky Wright was beast back in 04 and Shane fought him 2x's in one year. Now the Forrest fight was a sham the first time around. They knocked heads pretty hard and opened a cut on Mosely's head. The second one I had Forrest winning. Plus Mosely beat Mayorga later who beat the person who beat him...lol.
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
Aren't you the same dude who welched out on payin up when Cotto got KTFO? Man, anything that comes out your mouth has zero credibility.. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
IMO Cotto did not win that fight v Shane. I had it close but for Shane. I still contend at present moment Mosely has more drawing power. And like I pointed out he brings more to the table than Cotto. The world will never know if Margs gloves were loaded against Cotto, but the fact remains Shane dismantled Marg and turned the clock back to when he was pound for pound king. And if you think Shane is not the #1 then you cant possibly think it is Cotto. And Winky Wright was beast back in 04 and Shane fought him 2x's in one year. Now the Forrest fight was a sham the first time around. They knocked heads pretty hard and opened a cut on Mosely's head. The second one I had Forrest winning. Plus Mosely beat Mayorga later who beat the person who beat him...lol.
Moseley generally has trouble with taller fighters. Winky Wright was to big for him and so was Vernon Forrest. Some people just have your #. Vernon and shane fought twice as amateurs and Vernon won both times.
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
IMO Cotto did not win that fight v Shane. I had it close but for Shane. I still contend at present moment Mosely has more drawing power. And like I pointed out he brings more to the table than Cotto. The world will never know if Margs gloves were loaded against Cotto, but the fact remains Shane dismantled Marg and turned the clock back to when he was pound for pound king. And if you think Shane is not the #1 then you cant possibly think it is Cotto. And Winky Wright was beast back in 04 and Shane fought him 2x's in one year. Now the Forrest fight was a sham the first time around. They knocked heads pretty hard and opened a cut on Mosely's head. The second one I had Forrest winning. Plus Mosely beat Mayorga later who beat the person who beat him...lol.
So you assume that Margarito just started cheating that fight huh lol. Yeah and when Kobe banged that chick and got caught that was his first time too hahahaha
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
IMO Cotto did not win that fight v Shane. I had it close but for Shane. I still contend at present moment Mosely has more drawing power. And like I pointed out he brings more to the table than Cotto. The world will never know if Margs gloves were loaded against Cotto, but the fact remains Shane dismantled Marg and turned the clock back to when he was pound for pound king. And if you think Shane is not the #1 then you cant possibly think it is Cotto. And Winky Wright was beast back in 04 and Shane fought him 2x's in one year. Now the Forrest fight was a sham the first time around. They knocked heads pretty hard and opened a cut on Mosely's head. The second one I had Forrest winning. Plus Mosely beat Mayorga later who beat the person who beat him...lol.
Moseley generally has trouble with taller fighters. Winky Wright was to big for him and so was Vernon Forrest. Some people just have your #. Vernon and shane fought twice as amateurs and Vernon won both times.
No, i'm the guy that was right all along when I said that cotto would whoop that disgracefull clown. He won that fight until the cement hardened!!! WHat a joke. Thats a rematch I wanna see!!!
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
IMO Cotto did not win that fight v Shane. I had it close but for Shane. I still contend at present moment Mosely has more drawing power. And like I pointed out he brings more to the table than Cotto. The world will never know if Margs gloves were loaded against Cotto, but the fact remains Shane dismantled Marg and turned the clock back to when he was pound for pound king. And if you think Shane is not the #1 then you cant possibly think it is Cotto. And Winky Wright was beast back in 04 and Shane fought him 2x's in one year. Now the Forrest fight was a sham the first time around. They knocked heads pretty hard and opened a cut on Mosely's head. The second one I had Forrest winning. Plus Mosely beat Mayorga later who beat the person who beat him...lol.
Moseley generally has trouble with taller fighters. Winky Wright was to big for him and so was Vernon Forrest. Some people just have your #. Vernon and shane fought twice as amateurs and Vernon won both times.
No, i'm the guy that was right all along when I said that cotto would whoop that disgracefull clown. He won that fight until the cement hardened!!! WHat a joke. Thats a rematch I wanna see!!!
lol... well the rematch wont happen now because Marg is suspended and no longer champ. And we will never know if his gloves were loaded for that bout.
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
IMO Cotto did not win that fight v Shane. I had it close but for Shane. I still contend at present moment Mosely has more drawing power. And like I pointed out he brings more to the table than Cotto. The world will never know if Margs gloves were loaded against Cotto, but the fact remains Shane dismantled Marg and turned the clock back to when he was pound for pound king. And if you think Shane is not the #1 then you cant possibly think it is Cotto. And Winky Wright was beast back in 04 and Shane fought him 2x's in one year. Now the Forrest fight was a sham the first time around. They knocked heads pretty hard and opened a cut on Mosely's head. The second one I had Forrest winning. Plus Mosely beat Mayorga later who beat the person who beat him...lol.
Moseley generally has trouble with taller fighters. Winky Wright was to big for him and so was Vernon Forrest. Some people just have your #. Vernon and shane fought twice as amateurs and Vernon won both times.
No, i'm the guy that was right all along when I said that cotto would whoop that disgracefull clown. He won that fight until the cement hardened!!! WHat a joke. Thats a rematch I wanna see!!!
Don't make me dig up the old posts.. My point was I pmed u to pay up after Cotto lost and rather than be a man of your word and pay up you bullshitted around and dissapeared. I'm not trippin though. I just wanted to call you out on it. The other guy payed up like a man no problem. It's ashame you would lose your credbility as a man over a measley 50 bucks Mr. "deep pockets"
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
IMO Cotto did not win that fight v Shane. I had it close but for Shane. I still contend at present moment Mosely has more drawing power. And like I pointed out he brings more to the table than Cotto. The world will never know if Margs gloves were loaded against Cotto, but the fact remains Shane dismantled Marg and turned the clock back to when he was pound for pound king. And if you think Shane is not the #1 then you cant possibly think it is Cotto. And Winky Wright was beast back in 04 and Shane fought him 2x's in one year. Now the Forrest fight was a sham the first time around. They knocked heads pretty hard and opened a cut on Mosely's head. The second one I had Forrest winning. Plus Mosely beat Mayorga later who beat the person who beat him...lol.
Moseley generally has trouble with taller fighters. Winky Wright was to big for him and so was Vernon Forrest. Some people just have your #. Vernon and shane fought twice as amateurs and Vernon won both times.
No, i'm the guy that was right all along when I said that cotto would whoop that disgracefull clown. He won that fight until the cement hardened!!! WHat a joke. Thats a rematch I wanna see!!!
Don't make me dig up the old posts.. My point was I pmed u to pay up after Cotto lost and rather than be a man of your word and pay up you bullshitted around and dissapeared. I'm not trippin though. I just wanted to call you out on it. The other guy payed up like a man no problem. It's ashame you would lose your credbility as a man over a measley 50 bucks Mr. "deep pockets"
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
IMO Cotto did not win that fight v Shane. I had it close but for Shane. I still contend at present moment Mosely has more drawing power. And like I pointed out he brings more to the table than Cotto. The world will never know if Margs gloves were loaded against Cotto, but the fact remains Shane dismantled Marg and turned the clock back to when he was pound for pound king. And if you think Shane is not the #1 then you cant possibly think it is Cotto. And Winky Wright was beast back in 04 and Shane fought him 2x's in one year. Now the Forrest fight was a sham the first time around. They knocked heads pretty hard and opened a cut on Mosely's head. The second one I had Forrest winning. Plus Mosely beat Mayorga later who beat the person who beat him...lol.
Moseley generally has trouble with taller fighters. Winky Wright was to big for him and so was Vernon Forrest. Some people just have your #. Vernon and shane fought twice as amateurs and Vernon won both times.
No, i'm the guy that was right all along when I said that cotto would whoop that disgracefull clown. He won that fight until the cement hardened!!! WHat a joke. Thats a rematch I wanna see!!!
Don't make me dig up the old posts.. My point was I pmed u to pay up after Cotto lost and rather than be a man of your word and pay up you bullshitted around and dissapeared. I'm not trippin though. I just wanted to call you out on it. The other guy payed up like a man no problem. It's ashame you would lose your credbility as a man over a measley 50 bucks Mr. "deep pockets"
The reason i didn't pay is cuz i thru it out there that I would bet, all of a sudden you came and sed that you would put fifty on it. Nothin more said than as soon as the fight is over you want doe. Don't work that way cousin. So if anyone thro's a "I'll bet you" that means I gotta cover it? Kinda sounds stupid to me...Know??? BTW I never disapeared, I just jump in on what interests me. Most of the BS on here don't!
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
IMO Cotto did not win that fight v Shane. I had it close but for Shane. I still contend at present moment Mosely has more drawing power. And like I pointed out he brings more to the table than Cotto. The world will never know if Margs gloves were loaded against Cotto, but the fact remains Shane dismantled Marg and turned the clock back to when he was pound for pound king. And if you think Shane is not the #1 then you cant possibly think it is Cotto. And Winky Wright was beast back in 04 and Shane fought him 2x's in one year. Now the Forrest fight was a sham the first time around. They knocked heads pretty hard and opened a cut on Mosely's head. The second one I had Forrest winning. Plus Mosely beat Mayorga later who beat the person who beat him...lol.
Moseley generally has trouble with taller fighters. Winky Wright was to big for him and so was Vernon Forrest. Some people just have your #. Vernon and shane fought twice as amateurs and Vernon won both times.
No, i'm the guy that was right all along when I said that cotto would whoop that disgracefull clown. He won that fight until the cement hardened!!! WHat a joke. Thats a rematch I wanna see!!!
Don't make me dig up the old posts.. My point was I pmed u to pay up after Cotto lost and rather than be a man of your word and pay up you bullshitted around and dissapeared. I'm not trippin though. I just wanted to call you out on it. The other guy payed up like a man no problem. It's ashame you would lose your credbility as a man over a measley 50 bucks Mr. "deep pockets"
The reason i didn't pay is cuz i thru it out there that I would bet, all of a sudden you came and sed that you would put fifty on it. Nothin more said than as soon as the fight is over you want doe. Don't work that way cousin. So if anyone thro's a "I'll bet you" that means I gotta cover it? Kinda sounds stupid to me...Know??? BTW I never disapeared, I just jump in on what interests me. Most of the BS on here don't!
You said and "I'll match anything you got" "they call me deep pockets" Then when he lost you disapeared and said you need time or some bullshit. Who knows and who cares. Everyone here knows you are full of shit and you broke your word as a man over 50 bucks...
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I'm reading all of these opinions and some people are saying Mosely is the best in 147lb division. Did people forget that he lost to Cotto? Some are saying Mosely is a bigger draw than Cotto, cut it out. The only time Mosely has had a mega fight that people payed to see was when he fought De La Hoya and we all know people weren't paying cuz Mosely was on that card. This clown is just as tainted as cheating ass Margarito. Did we forget the only reason he did good against Oscar is cuz of the Roids he was caught with. This guy got whooped twice by Vernon Forest who eventually lost to Mayorga hahaha and also lost to Stinky Wright!! Im not gonna take anything away from Manny P cuz I like how he fights and he has heart but moving up so much in weight could mean trouble for him. I got Cotto beating this clown. People on here are talking like Cotto needs to make a comeback. Who did he lose too? Not cement gloves right? He was dominating that fight till HANDS OF STONE came out and I dont mean Roberto Duran!!!!
IMO Cotto did not win that fight v Shane. I had it close but for Shane. I still contend at present moment Mosely has more drawing power. And like I pointed out he brings more to the table than Cotto. The world will never know if Margs gloves were loaded against Cotto, but the fact remains Shane dismantled Marg and turned the clock back to when he was pound for pound king. And if you think Shane is not the #1 then you cant possibly think it is Cotto. And Winky Wright was beast back in 04 and Shane fought him 2x's in one year. Now the Forrest fight was a sham the first time around. They knocked heads pretty hard and opened a cut on Mosely's head. The second one I had Forrest winning. Plus Mosely beat Mayorga later who beat the person who beat him...lol.
Moseley generally has trouble with taller fighters. Winky Wright was to big for him and so was Vernon Forrest. Some people just have your #. Vernon and shane fought twice as amateurs and Vernon won both times.
No, i'm the guy that was right all along when I said that cotto would whoop that disgracefull clown. He won that fight until the cement hardened!!! WHat a joke. Thats a rematch I wanna see!!!
Don't make me dig up the old posts.. My point was I pmed u to pay up after Cotto lost and rather than be a man of your word and pay up you bullshitted around and dissapeared. I'm not trippin though. I just wanted to call you out on it. The other guy payed up like a man no problem. It's ashame you would lose your credbility as a man over a measley 50 bucks Mr. "deep pockets"
The reason i didn't pay is cuz i thru it out there that I would bet, all of a sudden you came and sed that you would put fifty on it. Nothin more said than as soon as the fight is over you want doe. Don't work that way cousin. So if anyone thro's a "I'll bet you" that means I gotta cover it? Kinda sounds stupid to me...Know??? BTW I never disapeared, I just jump in on what interests me. Most of the BS on here don't!
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Actually some of us have lives and aren't always on this site. I actually just got back from the fight in Vegas. Unlike alot of people, I go see my fav fighters fight live. If anyone had a chance to go, it was one of the greatest experieces to be there if you are Puerto Rican or Mexican. You wanna talk about people having pride in their race. It was 75% Mexican and 25% Puerto Rican. I am puerto Rican and I went in there with full puerto rican gear!!! It was like running through my hood with a blue rag in your back pocket(NOT GOOD) but then again I aint no punk so I let the Puerto Rican flag fly!!!. It was like a war was going to take place in that arena. What a fight!! After it was all over, everybody was cool. Yeah I must eat crow cuz my fighter lost but Cotto will be back!!! Margarito was a beast in this fight!!! I couldn't believe it. As far as eastbay50 goes. I dont know what a welcher is. I assume it is a word used buy square cats, But I wouldn't be to quick to throw out insults cousin. Give it some time not everyone runs to this site 24hrs a day.
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translation::: I am not going to pay you your 50 dollars i bet you.
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it sucks man..stand up people are getting very hard to come by now a days.i personally am one for not doing anyone bad,especially over 50 bux. just knowing you did someone wrong for that small amount isnt worth the worry...gl on collecting your debt
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Who is this side buster, Lol!!! What a joke. Are you gonna wac him off later too. Joke Look at my replies to this guy. If he was anywhere serious about betting he would have met me somewhere or pm'd me like he did when the fight as over don't you think? If this was the case any fool could have said they wanted to bet just to say it and what? I would have to pay them just becayse they said it. Have you ever bet? Everyone who knows me knows that I pay up when I lose. Don't come here side busting.
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I'll front whatever you got, it don't matter to me. They call me deep pockets!!!
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When Margarito wins next month they are gonna call you "EMPTY POCKETS!" I will bet 50 for right now.
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$50 will never empty these pockets. Hahaha
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i remember last time a bunch of you guys where saying that Cotto had no chance with Shane, and look what happened. Cotto will get punched in the face a lot, but will come away with the victory. His body shots are going to be to much for margarito. Margarito beats one or two good, not great but good boxers, and his fans think he is the best. He is OVER RATED. His name should not come up when speaking about Cotto or PBF.
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Cotto's biggest victory is against an ancient Shane Mosely (which I thougth was a draw) Yeah I'm impressed I do think Cottos is very talented and entertaining ot watch. He is just not in Maywether's league. Margarito is gonna starch him within 10 rds
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I will bet you $50. I'm serious too!!!
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Hey what do you know, Here is proof that batmobile lied.
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