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Topic: Griggs vs. Maximum Motorsports vs. Maier Racing?
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SydeWaySix
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Which suspension company would you go with? I'm hooked on the AutoX scene now and I'm thinking about doing some work to my suspension.
I know Maier Racing is local in Hayward. I also saw them in action (BAD ASS!) this past weekend and their cars looked to handle AMAZING....
I know Griggs has been around for a while and they have the well known GR40 setup...
Lastly, Maximum Motorsports has been around for quite some time now and I always hear about them...
Im not turning my car into a track/race car, but I do want it to handle really well and still be streetable.
Please let me know what company you think I should go with and what mods you think I should do...
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well Maier did EVERYTHING to my buddy's 98 cobra and that thing handles awesome.. the only thing Maier makes though is sub frames springs and strut towers... I would go with Maier sub frames but in the spring department go bilstein with mm coil overs and go talk to mike about it he knows alot about these cars and has no problem talking to take time out of his day to teach you a bit.
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There is "nothing" out there better than Griggs when it comes to competition/street suspension.
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I'll give you a little feedback since I've dealt with all three companies. I own a mustang that I compete in Time Trial with NASA. It's similar to autocross in that you are racing the clock. The major difference is that you are on a full size race course and the other cars are on the track with you.
Maier Racing, they are a great mom and pop shop and Mike is a great guy. He installed my cage and the work is top notch. I'm sure they could fabricate anything you want but they don't mass produce parts like the other companies so it would probably be very expensive. Mike is a great guy to talk to about chassis setup.
Maximum Motorsports caters to the driver who is looking for a great handling mustang and wants the parts to last a long time. They have a full package that performs very well on the track and is still streetable. My car has just about every suspension part from their catalog and it's very capable on the track. They also have reasonable prices and a good tech department.
Griggs caters to the hardcore racer who wants every last tenth of a second out of their car. Their shop cars and their customers' cars win, and they win a lot. The fastest mustangs in my group are equipped with griggs. I'm going switch some of my equipment to Griggs because some of their parts are better on the track than MM's. Griggs is priced a little higher than MM.
If your building a dual purpose car street/track MM is tough to beat IMO. Their parts are durable and they perform well. If you want the car to be predictable and fast the whole kit needs to installed. Nothing on the stock suspension works well when pushed to the limit.
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IvanFive0
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
There is "nothing" out there better than Griggs when it comes to competition/street suspension.
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I have a full GR40 suspension, handles amazing. ![[worship]](graemlins/worship.gif)
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SydeWaySix
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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
I'll give you a little feedback since I've dealt with all three companies. I own a mustang that I compete in Time Trial with NASA. It's similar to autocross in that you are racing the clock. The major difference is that you are on a full size race course and the other cars are on the track with you.
Maier Racing, they are a great mom and pop shop and Mike is a great guy. He installed my cage and the work is top notch. I'm sure they could fabricate anything you want but they don't mass produce parts like the other companies so it would probably be very expensive. Mike is a great guy to talk to about chassis setup.
Maximum Motorsports caters to the driver who is looking for a great handling mustang and wants the parts to last a long time. They have a full package that performs very well on the track and is still streetable. My car has just about every suspension part from their catalog and it's very capable on the track. They also have reasonable prices and a good tech department.
Griggs caters to the hardcore racer who wants every last tenth of a second out of their car. Their shop cars and their customers' cars win, and they win a lot. The fastest mustangs in my group are equipped with griggs. I'm going switch some of my equipment to Griggs because some of their parts are better on the track than MM's. Griggs is priced a little higher than MM.
If your building a dual purpose car street/track MM is tough to beat IMO. Their parts are durable and they perform well. If you want the car to be predictable and fast the whole kit needs to installed. Nothing on the stock suspension works well when pushed to the limit.
Thanks for the feedback everyone! I know Maier Racing has MM on their website, so it looks to me that they use both Maier and MM parts.
I do want to still drive my car on the street, so durability and longevity is a big factor for me. Since it seems that Griggs is more race oriented, are their parts not as durable as MM's since MM is based on street and track?
Also, what packages would you recommend from both MM and Griggs? Just looking at their packages, looks like MM gives more bang for the buck ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
MM's Sport Box $1448:
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=956
MM's Road and Track kit $2371:
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=1055
Griggs GR40 Street Starter Pkg $2634:
http://www.griggsracing.com/product_info.php?cPath=4332_4310_4347_1060&products_id=550&osCsid=a1ff2c1ed408f74e790f3ae4dcef6cc6
Griggs GR40 Super Street Starter Pkg $3231:
http://www.griggsracing.com/product_info.php?cPath=4332_4310_4347_1060&products_id=555&osCsid=a1ff2c1ed408f74e790f3ae4dcef6cc6
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SydeWaySix
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Originally posted by 92_chp:
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
There is "nothing" out there better than Griggs when it comes to competition/street suspension.
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I have a full GR40 suspension, handles amazing.
DId you buy their packages or did you just piece it all together?
What parts do you have when you say "full GR40"?
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
There is "nothing" out there better than Griggs when it comes to competition/street suspension.
how about motors?? BWAHAAHAHAA
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IvanFive0
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Originally posted by S281 #314.... AKA SydeWayzSix:
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Originally posted by 92_chp:
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Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
There is "nothing" out there better than Griggs when it comes to competition/street suspension.
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I have a full GR40 suspension, handles amazing.
DId you buy their packages or did you just piece it all together?
What parts do you have when you say "full GR40"?
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Spring C/O 2.5x8-750#
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Torquearm Kit with TA Cover
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Complete Frame Kit
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Spring C/O 2.5 10-200#
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IvanFive0
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Also, my buddy has a 95 Griggs Cobra DD, that thing is fast. Out handles pretty much everything on the track. We are going to the Track this coming weekend.
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I cant compare mine to Griggs or Maier, because i have no experience with them, but I love the way my car handles & rides with the MM setup i have. There parts are excellent quality, great durability, work great, & they have the best customer service & support in the business....
I have the complete setup currently on my car minus the torque arm, rear coilovers, & adjustable rear sway bar. I have the tq arm & rear coilovers in my garage awaiting the right person to install the tq arm...
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SydeWaySix
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Originally posted by EPIK:
I cant compare mine to Griggs or Maier, because i have no experience with them, but I love the way my car handles & rides with the MM setup i have. There parts are excellent quality, great durability, work great, & they have the best customer service & support in the business....
I have the complete setup currently on my car minus the torque arm, rear coilovers, & adjustable rear sway bar. I have the tq arm & rear coilovers in my garage awaiting the right person to install the tq arm...
Did you buy a package from MM or did you just piece your setup all together? What parts do you have?
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Originally posted by S281 #314.... AKA SydeWayzSix:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
I cant compare mine to Griggs or Maier, because i have no experience with them, but I love the way my car handles & rides with the MM setup i have. There parts are excellent quality, great durability, work great, & they have the best customer service & support in the business....
I have the complete setup currently on my car minus the torque arm, rear coilovers, & adjustable rear sway bar. I have the tq arm & rear coilovers in my garage awaiting the right person to install the tq arm...
Did you buy a package from MM or did you just piece your setup all together? What parts do you have?
I pieced it all together because I didnt have 4k to throw down all at once....
My setup consists of...
-MM K member
-MM A arms (standard offset with delrin bushings)
-MM cc plates
-MM K member brace
-MM front coilovers w/ 325lb. springs
-MM bolt through spindle bumpsteer kit
-MM HD adjustable lower control arms
-MM panhard bar
-MM full length subframes
-Prothane poly endlinks for lowered cars
-Bilstein HD struts & shocks
-oil filter relocation kit
As I stated previously, I also have the HD torque arm, rear coilover kit (225lbs), & some XD lower control arms with the spherical bushings on both ends, I jsut need to get it all installed. I also need to purchase the adjustable rear sway bar & the solid steering shaft...
I highly recommend the MM setup if your car is still a regular street driven car because its extremely durable.......
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Another plus for Griggs, except I am running a Griggs Watts Link instead of the torque (which I used to run). You gotta ask yourself, then ask yourself again, "WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO" with your car? I started out like you then wound up with a track only car. I was hooked and didn't really relize it. You really should look into open tracking as well because this is where the addiction starts. Call griggs and ask them to take you for a ride in the "demo" car and you will see. Hope I helped a little.
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SydeWaySix
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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
Another plus for Griggs, except I am running a Griggs Watts Link instead of the torque (which I used to run). You gotta ask yourself, then ask yourself again, "WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO" with your car? I started out like you then wound up with a track only car. I was hooked and didn't really relize it. You really should look into open tracking as well because this is where the addiction starts. Call griggs and ask them to take you for a ride in the "demo" car and you will see. Hope I helped a little.
Yes, you and everyone else has really helped me! Thank you all.
What I "really" want to do with my car is keep it streetable with decent to great handling for Autocross events.
Looking at the different packages available from Griggs and MM, it looks like MM offer more parts for the money. I was kind of leaning towards the MM Road and Track box since it comes with a lot of parts compared to Griggs' kit for the equivalent amount of money.
Anyone know how well MM's Road and Track box performs?
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well you already have c/c plates, shocks/struts, springs, and sway bars. The car can improve but compared to a stock 96 gt the car handles damm good.
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By the way Mike Maier custom made my cage and did a fantastic job. I made an error on my previous post, I replaced the panhard bar with the Watts Link. Good luck with the car project and make that bad boy handle....power later ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Maier/MM all the way....
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Originally posted by itznotahighway:
Maier/MM all the way....
Plus one.. Maier works hand and hand with the owner of MM.. everything on my car suspension related is all by Maier and MM.. Mike pushes MM product and backs it 100%...
If you havent gone to Mikes shop you should.. he is a kick in the ass to talk to! He got me into X-Cross... I will be hitting up Alameda with him alot next season.
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SydeWaySix
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Lambonotch...you're right, the car does handle better than any stock GT since it does have a few mods already, but its not aggressive enough in my opinion. The shock/struts aren't very good and the springsare a bit too soft. I want a stiffer feel that will make the car plant the power down to the ground instead of sliding all over the place.
Yes, Mike is a stand up guy. I spent over an hour talking to him and Ricardo (owner of silver widebody GT) and they really taught me a lot! Although many people say Griggs, I am leaning more towards a Maier setup using Maier and MM components.
Mike suggested I just drive it a bit more as is with better tires and see what I "relly" want to do with the car. I think I'm going to start with some shocks/struts and springs.
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone!
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Before you make the leap I'd suggest calling Griggs, talk to John Griggs, tell him Don from RPM suggested he call and pick his brain. He'll be able to explain anything, take you for a ride in a Griggs equipped car etc.
Then you can make an "educated" purchase.
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Suspension is only as good as the driver behind the wheel.
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With all this talk about suspensions is there any opentrack or private events happening soon? I got the itch real bad and it's gotta get scratched.
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SydeWaySix
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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
With all this talk about suspensions is there any opentrack or private events happening soon? I got the itch real bad and it's gotta get scratched.
Theres a SCCA event on Sept. 7th @ Golden Gate Fields...I'll be there ![[Whoo Whooooo!]](graemlins/woowoo.gif)
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