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Posted by 91foxbody (Member # 5483) on :
 
What do you guys think about putting a Cobra IRS rear-end in a FoxBody for road racing? Would the IRS be a better rear-end than the stock solid axle?
 

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Posted by Jay Taylor (Member # 5757) on :
 
now this is just from what i have found out so far..so take it for what its worth

but right now the 8.8 is a lot more "developed" than the IRS and as of right now a better bet for road racing.
but if there is enough time and R&D behind it the IRS could prove to be the better set up..
 

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Posted by 91foxbody (Member # 5483) on :
 
It seems strange that the solid axle would be a better choice. Consider the fact that the solid axle will make the rearend bounce when just one wheel makes contact with a raised surface. The IRS would allow for that wheel to bounce without affecting the other wheel. What do you think?
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
IRS. having a independant rear is always a plus. ive had no issues on the open track and autox

marek
 

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Posted by Jay Taylor (Member # 5757) on :
 

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Originally posted by 91foxbody:
It seems strange that the solid axle would be a better choice. Consider the fact that the solid axle will make the rearend bounce when just one wheel makes contact with a raised surface. The IRS would allow for that wheel to bounce without affecting the other wheel. What do you think?

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its not really strage when you think about it
the 8.8 solid axel has been under mustangs and it great quanity that the IRS..so a lot more people are there playing around with it to make it work

having said that i still want to have IRS in my car. so in a year or so..after i finish up some other stuff with the car and have the money, ill do the swap
 

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Posted by 04Z06 (Member # 2309) on :
 
Stock comcared to close to stock (IRS).. The IRS would be a better choice. (Delrin bushings upgrade) If you plan on putting a little money into it, then the Stick Axle woudl be teh way to go.. You throw on a Tourque arm and panhard bar you are ahead of the game. Plus all the other stuff that you would add no matter what rear you are running. (Subframes and so on.)

Eric
 

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Posted by Apexmotorsports (Member # 5307) on :
 
The Stock IRS is better than the STOCK Solid axle.

BUT, if you add a Griggs or MM Torque Arm & Panhard Bar it will beat the IRS hands down. The IRS system Ford uses in their Cobra is not bad but not that great compared to other manufacturers like BMW.

There is a reason why EVERY road raced Mustang from Griggs, Ford, Steeda, and Maximum uses a solid axle.... NONE of them use a IRS configuration. Solid axle is also more durable than Ford's IRS unit. Also, remember... if Ford's IRS is so good.. why is the 2007 Cobra using a solid axle?
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
but dont forget, if one side of teh solid axle goes byebye, the whole rearaxle assembly needs to be replaced, unlike the IRS when only a halfshaft needs to be swapped out, which is only 30min or so to do...if that.

the 07 cobra was supposed to have the IRS "option", but ford is too cheap to put money into engineering a quality IRS....no wonder the mustang does competite in the 24hr LeMans like all the other high performance vehicles

Dodge and Chevy both have designed excellent IRS systems, Ford just seems to be too cheap to make one for their high performance cars....they are moving into making them for their SUVs i guess....

there are plenty of 03/04 cobras running the IRS with a 9-10sec 1/4 mile....but that's with beefed up axles for sure....

the IRS worked for me to help me win an AutoX title with NASA/X in 2003 (they havent ran since then cause they cant find a good location to race at), so it does work with some added effort into it...

reason why steeda, mm, griggs, etc dont run the IRS, is manyly because they are running cobras 99+....steeda only runs GTs, MM only foxbodies mainly, and griggs is basically the sn95 96-98 cobra/GT models. i dont think they would have put the time or effort into swapping the LA for the IRS....

marek

[ August 22, 2005, 02:02 AM: Message edited by: Mach0ne351 ]
 

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Posted by blind (Member # 3052) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
but dont forget, if one side of teh solid axle goes byebye, the whole rearaxle assembly needs to be replaced, unlike the IRS when only a halfshaft needs to be swapped out, which is only 30min or so to do...if that.

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dont forget that it takes 30 mins, if that, to swap out an axle on a solid axle car...don't have to replace the whole thing if you just bent or busted one side
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
really? hows so? i know the "axles" themselves can be replaced if bent, but it the whole assembly is bent, the whole thing needs to be swapped. the axles yes can be swapped like halfshafts...no problem

marek
 

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Posted by Apexmotorsports (Member # 5307) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
the 07 cobra was supposed to have the IRS "option", but ford is too cheap to put money into engineering a quality IRS....no wonder the mustang does competite in the 24hr LeMans like all the other high performance vehicles

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Ford probably figured they did not need to do a IRS after the Ford Mustang Equipped teams in Grand Am Racing, in their 1st year with the car, beat the other teams with Porsche's, BMWs, Nissan, Cadillac, etc. Ford Mustangs have won 4 out of 8 races, finished in the TOP 2- 6 out of 8 races, and they also recieved a 3rd and 5th place finish. I would hardly say they do not compete well against other high performance vehicles. I would say that is pretty damn good in my eyes

Dodge's current IRS system on their Magnum/ 300M/ Charger is pretty good and is actually a prior generation E Class Mercedes Suspension.. that is why the new Chrysler/ Dodge suspension is so good. The basic difference between the MB unit and the Dodge/ Chrysler unit is one is aluminum(MB) & the other is stamped steal.

The real reason why Steeda, MM, Griggs, etc dont run the IRS is beause Ford's IRS is inferior to the more developed solid axle setup on the Mustang. In American Iron you are allowed to use IRS or solid-axle in the series. If the Ford IRS was that good I guarantee most of the teams in the series would be running IRS. Also, in AI West, 26 out of 32 teams are running with a solid axle based Mustang. There is only "1" IRS based Mustang and he is not even in the top 20! The solid axle in the Ford Mustang is an excellent setup when setup properly.. that is why almost all the teams in American Iron are running Mustangs when they have their choice of Camaros, GTOs, OR even Vette's if they comply with the rules.

Also, it would be REAL hard to bend the solid axle unit.

BTW, if anyone is interested... we are offering IRS to Solid Axle Swaps for 99+ Cobras. Imagine a 2003 Kenne Belled Cobra with a Full Griggs OR Maximum Motorsports setup... sik!

Mike Mak
Apex Motorsports
ApexMotorsports.com
2555 Lafayette Blvd. Suite #122
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408/588-0075 Fax: 408/588-0089

Griggs Racing, Maximum Motorsports, Evolution Motosports, SCT, Racelogic, H&R, Ford racing, Kenne Bell, MAC, Bassani, Vortech, Powerdyne, AMSoil, Koni, Hawk, AFR, Tokico, Baer Racing, Magnaflow, Flowmaster

[ August 22, 2005, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: Apexmotorsports ]
 

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Posted by blind (Member # 3052) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
really? hows so? i know the "axles" themselves can be replaced if bent, but it the whole assembly is bent, the whole thing needs to be swapped. the axles yes can be swapped like halfshafts...no problem

marek

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only way I can see bending the rear end housing would be in an accident, the same kind of accident that would destroy an IRS system, lol. The stock housing is beefy.

My girlfriends 5.0 was t-boned and they hit the back edge of the rear rim, it bent the stud portion of the axle but the axle shaft was straight, no damage to the housing. Replaced the axle in 20 minutes, tops, and it was back on the road to the bodyshop.
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
ya, the IRS isnt good enough for major competition that is for sure. no doubt. i just hope that ford gets off their asses one day, and develop a good IRS unit and ditch the world war 2 technology of the liveaxle IMO. i dont see Porsche, BMW, Ferrari, MB, etc etc. using WWII technology, and their running all over us with every aspect of highperformance vehicles. a stock M3 suspension will OWN any mustang with a shit load of suspension work....there is no comparison. i just hope that ford gets their acts together...no wonder the new Z06 that is coming out, looks more appetitizing then the GT500....IRS, and a whole buttload of more features....but it comes at a cost...eek! but you cant beat the bang for the buck when it comes to a mustang or domestic muscle car, compared to the euro imports....there really isnt anything to complain about once costs get into the mix hehe

marek
 

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 
Well Lets clear up alot of garb and bs. The ford IRS has many downfalls, alot that surpass even the downsides of the stock solid rearend. The major problem the IRS has is that it DOES NOT GAIN NEGATIVE CAMBER UNDER COMPRESSION. Lets understand what this does. Under side G-load, the wheel travels up into the wheel well, but not gaining negative camber, actually creating more positive, creating a push in the rearend of the car. Thus, NEVER allowing full power to be transfered to the ground exiting corners. Period. And NO AFTERMARKET PARTS, or CURRENT IRS FOR FORD FIXES SUCH PROBLEM. So even adding all you want, it won't matter. Next, the rear cover is prone to failure. The casting they used is really cheap, and has failed numerous times for many people. Plus the stock IRS is known for its wheel hop.

Now VS. the stock solid.

The solid has 3 main down falls too. But not nearlly as severe. The uca bind in the pivot bushings. Crappy design being angled. They should have done it as a straight four link, moved the springs to the rear farther. 2nd, weak sway bar, which really is not a true sway bar but in its design, its a torque link. A sway bar needs to pivot from the frame or a solid point to give a true function. The Swaybar here bolts between the lca's only. But right above it is the REAR END that is bolted to the same LCA's. This does NOT allow the Rear Sway bar to pivot or twist as it should. Instead, under hard transfer, whith no pivot location, all the stress is transfered to the weakist link which is the flat of the swaybar, where many of us have seen them brake. 3rd, the cheap stamped LCA's are easy to bend under hard G-loads.

Now the solid has a bit of negative camber in it from the factory, approx -1.2' this stays constant under corner loads, allowing more power to be applied exiting corners, thus giving the solid its first advantage. Another advantage is the wieght of the two systems. The IRS in all its mighty, weights alot more. Ruffly 200# more. See where I am going with this???? If you need more info, feel free to bug me.

[ August 23, 2005, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: 1Sicgt ]
 

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Posted by LuvMy04GT (Member # 4791) on :
 

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Originally posted by 1Sicgt:
Well Lets clear up alot of garb and bs. The ford IRS has many downfalls, alot that surpass even the downsides of the stock solid rearend. The major problem the IRS has is that it DOES NOT GAIN NEGATIVE CAMBER UNDER COMPRESSION. Lets understand what this does. Under side G-load, the wheel travels up into the wheel well, but not gaining negative camber, actually creating more positive, creating a push in the rearend of the car. Thus, NEVER allowing full power to be transfered to the ground exiting corners. Period. And NO AFTERMARKET PARTS, or CURRENT IRS FOR FORD FIXES SUCH PROBLEM. So even adding all you want, it won't matter. Next, the rear cover is prone to failure. The casting they used is really cheap, and has failed numerous times for many people. Plus the stock IRS is known for its wheel hop.

Now VS. the stock solid.

The solid has 3 main down falls too. But not nearlly as severe. The uca bind in the pivot bushings. Crappy design being angled. They should have done it as a straight four link, moved the springs to the rear farther. 2nd, weak sway bar, which really is not a true sway bar but in its design, its a torque link. A sway bar needs to pivot from the frame or a solid point to give a true function. The Swaybar here bolts between the lca's only. But right above it is the REAR END that is bolted to the same LCA's. This does NOT allow the Rear Sway bar to pivot or twist as it should. Instead, under hard transfer, whith no pivot location, all the stress is transfered to the weakist link which is the flat of the swaybar, where many of us have seen them brake. 3rd, the cheap stamped LCA's are easy to bend under hard G-loads.

Now the solid has a bit of negative camber in it from the factory, approx -1.2' this stays constant under corner loads, allowing more power to be applied exiting corners, thus giving the solid its first advantage. Another advantage is the wieght of the two systems. The IRS in all its mighty, weights alot more. Ruffly 200# more. See where I am going with this???? If you need more info, feel free to bug me.

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Dont forget you told me that solid has more of a feel than irs
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
excellent post John...but i think the Solid axle diff cover is weaker then the IRS one..the IRS atleast uses a good piece of aluminum to cover that darn pos lol instead a tiny little piece of sheet metal as all GT and MAch1's have....but overal, the LA will be cheaper, lighter, and be plently of handling power, with some added parts (roughly $1000-$1200) worth in parts....even the LA gets wheel hop. i drive my wifes 01GT, and it has wheel hop as well, but not as bad as the stock IRS unit did in mine...

yes, the solid axle MIGHT put some more power down coming out of a turn, but without the proper mods to the solid axle, the IRS unit will put more power down DURING and IN the turn. when a solid axle unit is put under cornering situations, one side goes down, and one side goes up. with an IRS unit, their both down, and independant. so, that's why many people say "coming out of the turn, the solid axle puts down the power." that's because it was made for going straight.

if i was to do a LA swap, i would do it right the first time, and put a 9" rearend, and add MM torque arm, panhard bar, LCAs, UCAs, and add Hans Subframes while im at it....then 3.73/4.10 gears.

the one thing i love about working on a car with an IRS is, exhaust work (mid pipe and back) is CAKE compared to the solid axle. getting exhaust over the axles (or off the car), can be a bitch with jack stands...on a IRS equipped car, it's 15min of work...on and off....

there are advantages to both, as well as disadvantages...ill stick with the IRS, as everyone probably already knows

marek
 

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
excellent post John...but i think the Solid axle diff cover is weaker then the IRS one..the IRS atleast uses a good piece of aluminum to cover that darn pos lol instead a tiny little piece of sheet metal as all GT and MAch1's have....but overal, the LA will be cheaper, lighter, and be plently of handling power, with some added parts (roughly $1000-$1200) worth in parts....even the LA gets wheel hop. i drive my wifes 01GT, and it has wheel hop as well, but not as bad as the stock IRS unit did in mine...

yes, the solid axle MIGHT put some more power down coming out of a turn, but without the proper mods to the solid axle, the IRS unit will put more power down DURING and IN the turn. when a solid axle unit is put under cornering situations, one side goes down, and one side goes up. with an IRS unit, their both down, and independant. so, that's why many people say "coming out of the turn, the solid axle puts down the power." that's because it was made for going straight.

if i was to do a LA swap, i would do it right the first time, and put a 9" rearend, and add MM torque arm, panhard bar, LCAs, UCAs, and add Hans Subframes while im at it....then 3.73/4.10 gears.

the one thing i love about working on a car with an IRS is, exhaust work (mid pipe and back) is CAKE compared to the solid axle. getting exhaust over the axles (or off the car), can be a bitch with jack stands...on a IRS equipped car, it's 15min of work...on and off....

there are advantages to both, as well as disadvantages...ill stick with the IRS, as everyone probably already knows

marek

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Ok, first thing is the IRS has an aluminum cover yes, but just becuase its thick and its aluminum doesn't make it good. It is actually a really waek sand casted cover. The mold is made out of a sand base, then the molten aluminum is poured in, which by the way is not the best grade, they use a 2000 grade aluminum, which is a cheap commercial grade of aluminum with a higher copper content. The higher content of copper is supposed to keep temps down disapating heat better, but the main problem is in the casting. The form used, commonly gets a pits in the metal. Not visible to the working surface, but once you cut into it, you see air pockets. Hence why alot of failures have been happeing. If done correctly they should have used a 7000 series tooling aluminum for the stregnth it has. Down side to it, it doesn't disapte heat as well becuase it is a more dence* material.

Now you proved my point with out knowing it Marek. Problem is, the IRS' lack of negative camber gain effects it through the WHOLE turn from start to end. The design of the ford IRS was based upon street driving, and street feel. A street car is supposed to make tire noise before breaking loose in a corner. If the car was to gain correctly like we need it to for the track, It would not get tire squeal from the positve camber it is gaining, and then just snap loose without warning. Unlike us, who know how to determine the breaking points of our cars, the avg. Joe, wouldn't realise he is loosing control unless he hears it first. This is one reason ford didn't do the IRS design correctly.

With IRS you actually have more body roll. straight up its the design of the suspension.

Imagine you are looking at the rear of the car. On a stick car, as the right rear compresses, it transfers the load upward on the right rear tire, actually lifting the left rear upward too. This can be very bad if this happens too fast. This is where the solid rear feels light, and on the edge of spining. (Good driver would be able to know this feeling and compensate) Now with the IRS same thing being, the car body has to transfer its weight onto the right rear as it compresses. The left rear will lower and keep forward drive initally, but since the right rear is now leaning on the positive side the tire is actually scrubbing speed, which will do one of two things. If the transfer is too fast, it will feel like the car is sticking then violently break loose. Or, it will instantly give the front end a push, making the car not want to turn, thus loosing more speed.

Remember slow in fast out. Its hard to be fast out it the car is pushing. The Looseness of a solid, is (stock vs. stock) Closer to wear you would want to be. Fast cars drive on that edge of in control and out of control. Its hard to be there if you have a built in push.

Hell, just for shits a giggles, we are planning on doing the SVTOA event in buttonwillow in end of Oct. early Nov., lets swap cars for a few laps, no bias, and see what lap times fall. I will put down my solid, lower hp car will get faster times. You game??

[ August 24, 2005, 12:04 AM: Message edited by: 1Sicgt ]
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
wow. i just learned a lot. and yes..fords design of the current IRS is junk compared to what it SHOULD be they made it work for a Liveaxle chassis.....that's what the main downfall is, along with other things. but you know what, i dont have ANY issues, and ill stand by the IRS all the way. the thing is...all liveaxle racers NEED to put $$$ into it, to make it work better then the stock IRS system. i wont be out at the SVTOA event bro lol...im planning on thunderhill next

$50 says ill own you in AutoX ive got the belt to prove my worth...with the IRS at that hehe

marek
 

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
wow. i just learned a lot. and yes..fords design of the current IRS is junk compared to what it SHOULD be they made it work for a Liveaxle chassis.....that's what the main downfall is, along with other things. but you know what, i dont have ANY issues, and ill stand by the IRS all the way. the thing is...all liveaxle racers NEED to put $$$ into it, to make it work better then the stock IRS system. i wont be out at the SVTOA event bro lol...im planning on thunderhill next

$50 says ill own you in AutoX ive got the belt to prove my worth...with the IRS at that hehe

marek

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ahhhh cones suck. I like to go fast with my corners thank you very much. Which T-hill event??
 

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Posted by LuvMy04GT (Member # 4791) on :
 
can i be a spectator to this event?
 

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 

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Originally posted by LuvMy04GT:
can i be a spectator to this event?

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Sure. Maybe you could get your ride out there and try some laps one day too!
 

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Posted by Apexmotorsports (Member # 5307) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
$50 says ill own you in AutoX ive got the belt to prove my worth...with the IRS at that hehe

marek

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I would love to see this event....Cones or open track! Preferably open-track

BTW, let me got get my old BONE STOCK Miata and I'll take you up on your $50 bet in AutoX I love Mustangs BUT they cannot hang with Miatas in AutoX.



Mike Mak
Apex Motorsports
ApexMotorsports.com
2555 Lafayette Blvd. Suite #122
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408/588-0075 Fax: 408/588-0089

Griggs Racing, Maximum Motorsports, Evolution Motosports, SCT, Racelogic, H&R, Ford racing, Kenne Bell, MAC, Bassani, Vortech, Powerdyne, AMSoil, Koni, Hawk, AFR, Tokico, Baer Racing, Magnaflow, Flowmaster
 

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Posted by 03SHKER (Member # 1397) on :
 
I want to be there for this too.
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 

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Originally posted by Apexmotorsports:

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
$50 says ill own you in AutoX ive got the belt to prove my worth...with the IRS at that hehe

marek

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I would love to see this event....Cones or open track! Preferably open-track

BTW, let me got get my old BONE STOCK Miata and I'll take you up on your $50 bet in AutoX I love Mustangs BUT they cannot hang with Miatas in AutoX.



Mike Mak
Apex Motorsports
ApexMotorsports.com
2555 Lafayette Blvd. Suite #122
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408/588-0075 Fax: 408/588-0089

Griggs Racing, Maximum Motorsports, Evolution Motosports, SCT, Racelogic, H&R, Ford racing, Kenne Bell, MAC, Bassani, Vortech, Powerdyne, AMSoil, Koni, Hawk, AFR, Tokico, Baer Racing, Magnaflow, Flowmaster

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funny..i beat out 1/2 of the maitas running in nasa/x that season and i was 1 sec. behind a s/c miata in a class above mine good friend of mine... imo, miatas are probably one of the best autox rides out there.

john john john...haha do you have a problem of quick reaction racing?? hehehe.....
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 

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Originally posted by 03SHKER:
I want to be there for this too.

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why dont you run too? haha ive yet to see you run the autox bro....you always say you will...you got the "tires" now hahaha
 

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Posted by 03SHKER (Member # 1397) on :
 
Nah, autoX doesn't do it for me. I'll be at Infineon the last weekend of next month for the Shelby club Mini-Nats. Should have my TA/PHB and some other bits an pieces on by then.
 

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Posted by blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
there's nothing slow about the track setup at aa-x, I think I was hitting 100 in 2 sections last time
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
you've never tried autox chris....so how would you know? lol....

marek
 

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Posted by 03SHKER (Member # 1397) on :
 
Actually I have man.
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
when bro? when did this happen?
 

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:

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Originally posted by Apexmotorsports:

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
$50 says ill own you in AutoX ive got the belt to prove my worth...with the IRS at that hehe

marek

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I would love to see this event....Cones or open track! Preferably open-track

BTW, let me got get my old BONE STOCK Miata and I'll take you up on your $50 bet in AutoX I love Mustangs BUT they cannot hang with Miatas in AutoX.



Mike Mak
Apex Motorsports
ApexMotorsports.com
2555 Lafayette Blvd. Suite #122
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408/588-0075 Fax: 408/588-0089

Griggs Racing, Maximum Motorsports, Evolution Motosports, SCT, Racelogic, H&R, Ford racing, Kenne Bell, MAC, Bassani, Vortech, Powerdyne, AMSoil, Koni, Hawk, AFR, Tokico, Baer Racing, Magnaflow, Flowmaster

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funny..i beat out 1/2 of the maitas running in nasa/x that season and i was 1 sec. behind a s/c miata in a class above mine good friend of mine... imo, miatas are probably one of the best autox rides out there.

john john john...haha do you have a problem of quick reaction racing?? hehehe.....

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Reaction, blah! Cones are cheap man's way of saying he is a road racer! I like tracks like Reno for example, where you pulling 140 down the straight, then don't lift to cut into a section of esses. You can't beat the feeling on truly on the edge at wide open throttle. Cones, its like 2-3, 2-3, 2-3 oh maybe 4th, back to 2nd. It, is what 4 runs that last 50 sec. or less, for $45 or so. Screw that. I'll spend $150, get 2 hours of track time. Much better use of my money. Oh, Marek, are you scared that my whopping 214 rwhp will walk you in the corners???? It's just a POS GT


And Mike, and chris, more the merrier. Hell Mike, shoot me a PM, I got an idea I wanna throw at you see if we can get it to work.
 

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Posted by 03SHKER (Member # 1397) on :
 
PM comin you way Jon!
 

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Posted by Apexmotorsports (Member # 5307) on :
 
Jon,

PM sent

Mike Mak
Apex Motorsports
ApexMotorsports.com
2555 Lafayette Blvd. Suite #122
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408/588-0075 Fax: 408/588-0089

Griggs Racing, Maximum Motorsports, Evolution Motosports, SCT, Racelogic, H&R, Ford racing, Kenne Bell, MAC, Bassani, Vortech, Powerdyne, AMSoil, Koni, Hawk, AFR, Tokico, Baer Racing, Magnaflow, Flowmaster

[ August 24, 2005, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: Apexmotorsports ]
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 

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Reaction, blah! Cones are cheap man's way of saying he is a road racer! I like tracks like Reno for example, where you pulling 140 down the straight, then don't lift to cut into a section of esses. You can't beat the feeling on truly on the edge at wide open throttle. Cones, its like 2-3, 2-3, 2-3 oh maybe 4th, back to 2nd. It, is what 4 runs that last 50 sec. or less, for $45 or so. Screw that. I'll spend $150, get 2 hours of track time. Much better use of my money. Oh, Marek, are you scared that my whopping 214 rwhp will walk you in the corners???? It's just a POS GT


And Mike, and chris, more the merrier. Hell Mike, shoot me a PM, I got an idea I wanna throw at you see if we can get it to work. [/QB][/QUOTE]

$45?? where are you getting that price? haha try more like $20-$25 bro. and it high reaction driving. trust me bro. im not scared of your GT plus, not everyone is a highroller like youl, that has daddy paying for your track time hehe

marek

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 
Marek, I'll keep the low cuts down. Since we are supposed to be cool. How about we just call it out. :Turn on Al Pacino voice: You wanna peice of me, you scum sucking piece of f-in sh*t?!?!?! :Turn off Al Pacino voice: :Turn on Kirsten Dunce voice: You'd better bring it! :Turn off Kirsten Dunce voice:

How about a little time trial challenge???

We'll pick an event at say Thunderhill, October-Novemberish. Best 2 laps of the day avg. Run what you brung. Only Limitations being, 1) It MUST BE YOUR CAR. 2) NO NITROUS, as nitrous is illegal in road racing anyway. 3) WE RUN RAIN OR SHINE. 4) 3rd party will collect times and data logging, we can not interfer with any timing equiptment or automatic forefeit. 5) Cars must pass NASA Regulations Tech Form. Safety is priority. 6) We go for bragging rights and dinner. Sound fair????
 

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Posted by 03SHKER (Member # 1397) on :
 
Sounds fair to me.
 

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Posted by 66mstgfsbk (Member # 5197) on :
 
count me in...i wanna see
 

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Posted by 04Z06 (Member # 2309) on :
 
I want in too. Don't be butt hurt if a Chevy wins though..


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Posted by Apexmotorsports (Member # 5307) on :
 
OH OH.. I think the "Guantlet" has been dropped and it's still sitting on the ground.. I wonder if it's gonna get picked up?

Mike Mak
Apex Motorsports
ApexMotorsports.com
2555 Lafayette Blvd. Suite #122
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408/588-0075 Fax: 408/588-0089

Griggs Racing, Maximum Motorsports, Evolution Motosports, SCT, Racelogic, H&R, Ford racing, Kenne Bell, MAC, Bassani, Vortech, Powerdyne, AMSoil, Koni, Hawk, AFR, Tokico, Baer Racing, Magnaflow, Flowmaster
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
sounds like fun to me! let me find the right event and time, and we will set a date hows that?

and ill make a rule too....race on street tires too

marek

[ August 27, 2005, 11:12 PM: Message edited by: Mach0ne351 ]
 

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Posted by Apexmotorsports (Member # 5307) on :
 
Alright! The Guantlet has been picked up and now there will be a duel! Will there be other challengers in this duel? Possibly a "Bowtie" or a "Shaker"?

Mike Mak
Apex Motorsports
ApexMotorsports.com
2555 Lafayette Blvd. Suite #122
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408/588-0075 Fax: 408/588-0089

Griggs Racing, Maximum Motorsports, Evolution Motosports, SCT, Racelogic, H&R, Ford racing, Kenne Bell, MAC, Bassani, Vortech, Powerdyne, AMSoil, Koni, Hawk, AFR, Tokico, Baer Racing, Magnaflow, Flowmaster

[ August 27, 2005, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: Apexmotorsports ]
 

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Posted by 03SHKER (Member # 1397) on :
 
Ahhhhhhh sheeeeeit...
 

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Posted by 04Z06 (Member # 2309) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
sounds like fun to me! let me find the right event and time, and we will set a date hows that?

and ill make a rule too....race on street tires too

marek

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You better be well preped little boy.
I have a Mach 1 and know what they can do and in this case what they can't do.. That is beat the Z06.


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Posted by Apexmotorsports (Member # 5307) on :
 
04Z06,

That Z06 is going to be pretty hard to beat... BUT 03Shkr's Mach is no ordinary Mach By the time this event is put on it will have a heavily modded suspension. Also, if my car is done and I have time.... I'll see if I can come out too. 500RWHP, full Griggs, and Racelogic Taction Control system should be able to keep up with you.. BUT those Z06's are great cars. I'm sure if Mario Andretti was driving my car he would be able to keep up with you but I'm not Mario Andretti


Mike Mak
Apex Motorsports
ApexMotorsports.com
2555 Lafayette Blvd. Suite #122
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408/588-0075 Fax: 408/588-0089

Griggs Racing, Maximum Motorsports, Evolution Motosports, SCT, Racelogic, H&R, Ford racing, Kenne Bell, MAC, Bassani, Vortech, Powerdyne, AMSoil, Koni, Hawk, AFR, Tokico, Baer Racing, Magnaflow, Flowmaster

[ August 28, 2005, 01:00 AM: Message edited by: Apexmotorsports ]
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
I don't know anything about road racing,how would an M5 hold up against a Z06 is the M5 too heavy and underpowered to put up a fight? My cousin owns an M5 and Im just curious on there capabilitys on a road course, I know they are ok in straight line preformance like 13.2 1/4 mile.
 

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 

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sounds like fun to me! let me find the right event and time, and we will set a date hows that?

and ill make a rule too....race on street tires too

marek

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Originally posted by SmokinLX:
I don't know anything about road racing,how would an M5 hold up against a Z06 is the M5 too heavy and underpowered to put up a fight? My cousin owns an M5 and Im just curious on there capabilitys on a road course, I know they are ok in straight line preformance like 13.2 1/4 mile.

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Originally posted by SmokinLX:
I don't know anything about road racing,how would an M5 hold up against a Z06 is the M5 too heavy and underpowered to put up a fight? My cousin owns an M5 and Im just curious on there capabilitys on a road course, I know they are ok in straight line preformance like 13.2 1/4 mile.

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In this battle, it better be a tin can, and have some hot driver to back it. 1/4 mile time means did on the track. You will see.

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Originally posted by 1Sicgt:
Looks like this is the best possiblity


NCRC

On saturday they are doing time trials too. It would work out the best. I hope you qualify for advanced though.

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Originally posted by Roush #92:
It would be best if you ran with a club that had AMB timers available for rent. Rental cost is typically $25/day but you don't have to buy anything for timing (a HotLap setup for example).

NCRC, NASA, Speed Ventures and I believe TrackMasters all use them but double check if they have transponders for rent. Shelby Club does not allow timing devices. Some of the smaller clubs might have them as well (Club Z, Unlimited Laps, etc).

NCRC has a special new club member deal going that would save you some money. if you are not yet a member.

I don't think it matters whether you if run in open passing or not. Over the course of a day, you'll have clear laps in all groups. Run in the group you're comfortable with. You will be faster.

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
sounds like fun to me! let me find the right event and time, and we will set a date hows that?

and ill make a rule too....race on street tires too

marek

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Ok, ANY DOT TIRE. Thread wear of 140+ and must still have tread, no full make shift slicks. Deal?

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Hey slight alter, it will need to be 100+ on tread wear, thats the hardest compound I own. I have 100's or 00's in DOT tires.

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Don't you think you are stretching it a bit? Most "Street Tire" classes require 200 tread wear.

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 

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Hey slight alter, it will need to be 100+ on tread wear, thats the hardest compound I own. I have 100's or 00's in DOT tires.

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Don't you think you are stretching it a bit? Most "Street Tire" classes require 200 tread wear.

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Well tell my kid why I am wasting $1000 for tires just an event., I have to run what I got. The tires on my car for street are softer than my track tires. The whole point is that niether of us are on a slick tire.
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
im saving my money! for the next event i can afford for this! i cant wait to have some fun on the open track again! this will tons of fun for john and i. i just hope my helmet is still "ok" to run with. i heard that they changed the helmet requirements recently, or they will....

hey john, when is thunderhill all green? spring? that would be sweet to race on during the green season haha

marek
 

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 
The Helmet has to be Snell M2000 or SA95 or newer. The Green season is November through March/April there.
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
shit...lol ill have to look for a new helmet then....awesome! green season is upon us almost then! good stuff...thats when i wanna run at thunderhill..you feel me?

marek
 

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Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 
Ya, It's a nice track when in all green.
 

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Posted by Mach0ne351 (Member # 927) on :
 
i couldnt agree more. i so cant wait for it

marek
 

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Posted by Apexmotorsports (Member # 5307) on :
 
OH YEAH! We got ourselves a duel!


Sincerely,

Mike Mak
Apex Motorsports
ApexMotorsports.com
2555 Lafayette Blvd. Suite #122
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: 408/588-0075 Fax: 408/588-0089

Griggs Racing, Maximum Motorsports, Evolution Motosports, SCT, Racelogic, H&R, Ford racing, Kenne Bell, MAC, Bassani, Vortech, Powerdyne, AMSoil, Koni, Hawk, AFR, Tokico, Baer Racing, Magnaflow, Flowmaster, Diablosport
 

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Posted by SkunkWerks -Fabrication (Member # 4980) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mach0ne351:
i couldnt agree more. i so cant wait for it

marek

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O'YEAH cant wait Bro
 

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