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Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on
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So Im wondering what is better all around?
Which is easier to make more power with?
Easier to Smog?
Easier to swap?
Find Parts?
Keep your chevy in a ford comments to yourself. Its just a motor. Grow up.
[ March 01, 2012, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: ItzStock ]
Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on
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[ March 01, 2012, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: ItzStock ]
Posted by 5.0 LsX (Member # 10017) on
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lsx, extremely easy swap, more room in the engine bay, better gas milage, easier to work on, cheaper, more potential for power and reliability if going n/a....imo but i guess im a little biased ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on
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ls
Posted by Adam5.0 (Member # 6995) on
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LS if you like using ancient technology. DOHC FTW
Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on
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I prefer the DOHC Terminator...and thats the only thing Im familiar with...I dont know much about the LS platform. As far as parts, I think generally they may both reasonable...I hear a lot of people favor the LS...which ever one you decide on, keep us posted!!! Good luck with the build.
Posted by 02angrybird (Member # 11259) on
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Lsx for the win, ancient technology? Not really. More like simple technology. Dohc has been around for a very long time. Old WW2 American tanks were powered by 1100 CID dohc gas engines.
Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on
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You can still smog LS swapped mustangs right? As long as we have all the smog equipment from that car?
Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on
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Originally posted by autumnstang97:
I prefer the DOHC Terminator...and thats the only thing Im familiar with...I dont know much about the LS platform. As far as parts, I think generally they may both reasonable...I hear a lot of people favor the LS...which ever one you decide on, keep us posted!!! Good luck with the build.
Asking for a friend that wants to start his project. He still wants to street drive, pass smog, decent mileage and be able to find parts easy if he needs to.
Posted by 02angrybird (Member # 11259) on
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Originally posted by ItzStock:
You can still smog LS swapped mustangs right? As long as we have all the smog equipment from that car?
You can smog anything if you know the right person.
Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on
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haha he wants it to smog legaly.
Posted by 02angrybird (Member # 11259) on
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You'll have to look into getting it bar approved.
Posted by outlawdragger (Member # 10590) on
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Cobra all day
Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on
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Originally posted by 5.0 LsX:
lsx, extremely easy swap, more room in the engine bay, better gas milage, easier to work on, cheaper, more potential for power and reliability if going n/a....imo but i guess im a little biased
Got any pics of your engine bay?
Posted by 1ST0KGT (Member # 10606) on
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Idk I personally think a cobra swap is ftw for sure. Full forged bottom ends take the stock blower put a 2.4 KB kick the motor in the balls and up shit will swang!
As for smog?
Anybody passes in special shops
Posted by 93lx4cyl (Member # 10517) on
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If I remember correctly you shouldn't have a problem with smog as long as the motor your putting in is more fuel efficient(emissions as well) than what came factory in the car( according to a smog teacher and a shop that builds older cars with newer motors.) But I may be wrong seeing as cali is strict when it comes to smog.
Posted by LETHL 03 (Member # 5401) on
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Originally posted by 93lx4cyl:
If I remember correctly you shouldn't have a problem with smog as long as the motor your putting in is more fuel efficient(emissions as well) than what came factory in the car( according to a smog teacher and a shop that builds older cars with newer motors.) But I may be wrong seeing as cali is strict when it comes to smog.
Heard that before
Posted by 02angrybird (Member # 11259) on
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You have to get it barred
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on
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LS swap would be better
Posted by RONIN (Member # 9987) on
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For cost versus performance, the LS series motor would be the best bang for the buck. My buddy has a bone stock, low mileage LS1 motor with an auto tranny in his 89 notch and runs high 11's at the track on slicks and he daily drives it.
Really.... for $1500-2000 you can find a complete LS1 swap. A little more for a LS2 or LS3. So you can't really beat the potential power for the price in comparison to a 03/04 cobra swap which will run significantly more in price.
Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on
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Ls2 FTW!!!!
Posted by wilit (Member # 3367) on
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Originally posted by Adam5.0:
LS if you like using ancient technology. DOHC FTW
LOL... You do know Peugeot and Alfa Romeo both had DOHC 4 valve grand prix engines in 1913-1914 right?
Posted by Wrench Monkey (Member # 9529) on
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Swap in LS1 & T56, 30+ MPG. 300RWHP in stock form. Just a cam & intake swap away from 400rwhp powerband monster.
Posted by Adam5.0 (Member # 6995) on
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Originally posted by 02angrybird:
Lsx for the win, ancient technology? Not really. More like simple technology. Dohc has been around for a very long time. Old WW2 American tanks were powered by 1100 CID dohc gas engines.
push rod engines have no real benefit over ohc engine. yes they are simpler, go for it if your into simple things. expect for gm and chrysler everyone has ditched ohv design.
Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on
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depending on what your application of the car is, I'd say ls would be best bet for road racing and what not, it's far lighter than an 4.6 termi motor, parts are way cheaper for the chevy, but if your a purest than the termi is the only way to go, I had a bolt on cam'd camaro that ate termis up all the time, nothing beats the face of an old man getting smoked by what he thought was a v6 camaro (i had it debadged). plus it still got like 20-25 mpg on the freeway with 400rwhp.
Posted by Jaejae5.0 (Member # 7958) on
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if you ls swap it im not your friend anymore..haha..naw i think ls swaps are tight
Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on
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Originally posted by Jaejae5.0:
if you ls swap it im not your friend anymore..haha..naw i think ls swaps are tight
Haha, don't be scared jae!
Posted by 93coupessp (Member # 8418) on
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Originally posted by Adam5.0:
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Originally posted by 02angrybird:
Lsx for the win, ancient technology? Not really. More like simple technology. Dohc has been around for a very long time. Old WW2 American tanks were powered by 1100 CID dohc gas engines.
push rod engines have no real benefit over ohc engine. yes they are simpler, go for it if your into simple things. expect for gm and chrysler everyone has ditched ohv design.
Benefits are cheaper parts and cheaper to work on. You can get a nice cam and valve train package for a pushrod motor fairly cheap and any shade tree mechanic can install it ant say the same for a 2v or 4v
Posted by Wrench Monkey (Member # 9529) on
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Originally posted by 93coupessp:
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Originally posted by Adam5.0:
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Originally posted by 02angrybird:
Lsx for the win, ancient technology? Not really. More like simple technology. Dohc has been around for a very long time. Old WW2 American tanks were powered by 1100 CID dohc gas engines.
push rod engines have no real benefit over ohc engine. yes they are simpler, go for it if your into simple things. expect for gm and chrysler everyone has ditched ohv design.
Benefits are cheaper parts and cheaper to work on. You can get a nice cam and valve train package for a pushrod motor fairly cheap and any shade tree mechanic can install it ant say the same for a 2v or 4v
+1, it's damn near simple to swap a cam from a pushrod motor. The same as swapping a 302.
Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on
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Thanks for all the info guys. Will pass it along to him.
Posted by BLWNMSTC (Member # 11656) on
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52IZUi9mLls&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Posted by 5.0 LsX (Member # 10017) on
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FTW
[ March 04, 2012, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: 5.0 LsX ]
Posted by 02angrybird (Member # 11259) on
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Originally posted by BLWNMSTC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52IZUi9mLls&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Lmao that race was stacked against the ls stang... 333 hp vs 491 hp.
Posted by ISP89LX (Member # 8949) on
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 5.0 LsX:
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FTW
![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
, Did this swap get done by SShaun? very nice work.
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Posted by 5.0 LsX (Member # 10017) on
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Did all the work myself.
Thank you
Posted by LETHL 03 (Member # 5401) on
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Originally posted by 5.0 LsX:
FTW
F#@king bad ass ![[worship]](graemlins/worship.gif)
Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on
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I like the LS swap as well. Has anyone here got there swap bar certified in California?
Posted by 5.0 LsX (Member # 10017) on
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Originally posted by 6D9:
I like the LS swap as well. Has anyone here got there swap bar certified in California?
nobody i know has, but its fairly easy to get it bared...only issue i see would be the drivers side exh manifold...havent fount a stock one that would work but i think the lsa or ls3 style might work
Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on
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Originally posted by 5.0 LsX:
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Originally posted by 6D9:
I like the LS swap as well. Has anyone here got there swap bar certified in California?
nobody i know has, but its fairly easy to get it bared...only issue i see would be the drivers side exh manifold...havent fount a stock one that would work but i think the lsa or ls3 style might work
how does it drive? do you have stock suspension? in the rear especially, does it feel better balanced cause of an all aluminum engine?
Posted by 5.0 LsX (Member # 10017) on
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it can drive like stock...but i have full suspension and built rear w/ 3" straight thru dumped exhaust. feel every bump in the road and the car is far from quiet, but its the most fun ive had in a daily driver
Posted by PWR HNGRY 302 (Member # 6000) on
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I think I like this ls idea. Can the stock gauge cluster be used?
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Posted by Rigo5.0 (Member # 5247) on
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I have a lot of respect for LS motors (owned an LS1 Camaro), but IMO this isn't even a question. Yes, the 03/04 Cobra drivetrain will cost more, but you can get 500+rwhp with bolt-ons. The low-end torque makes the the 03/04 Cobra a blast to drive. I can only imagine how much fun and faster it would be in a 2800lb foxbody...
Posted by 5.0 LsX (Member # 10017) on
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get a procharger for an ls1, still be under budget of the termi swap, more reliable, better gas milage and lay down 550rwhp without trying and still be smog legal. not saying im not a fan of the termi swap, i would much rather see one under the hood of a fox, but if were talking dollar amount, reliability, availability of parts, easier to work on, and more room in the engine bay, i have to recommend an lsx based swap
Posted by Rigo5.0 (Member # 5247) on
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Originally posted by 5.0 LsX:
get a procharger for an ls1, still be under budget of the termi swap, more reliable, better gas milage and lay down 550rwhp without trying and still be smog legal. not saying im not a fan of the termi swap, i would much rather see one under the hood of a fox, but if were talking dollar amount, reliability, availability of parts, easier to work on, and more room in the engine bay, i have to recommend an lsx based swap
You bring up good points, but we'll agree to disagree ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
BTW.. Looks like you did a great job on your LS swap. Any videos?
Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on
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man this makes me wanna pick up a roller, tub it, build a rear end, and throw a ls1 with ms3 cam, and spray that thing to the moon. you guys seen the stock longblock ss on nor cal lsx, that runs 9's with bolt ons, ms3 cam, and a 200 shot? pretty impressive considering the amount of mods and in a pig of an f body.
Posted by RONIN (Member # 9987) on
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
man this makes me wanna pick up a roller, tub it, build a rear end, and throw a ls1 with ms3 cam, and spray that thing to the moon. you guys seen the stock longblock ss on nor cal lsx, that runs 9's with bolt ons, ms3 cam, and a 200 shot? pretty impressive considering the amount of mods and in a pig of an f body.
Magic Stick 3 FTMW !!!
Posted by 5.0 LsX (Member # 10017) on
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Originally posted by Rigo5.0:
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Originally posted by 5.0 LsX:
get a procharger for an ls1, still be under budget of the termi swap, more reliable, better gas milage and lay down 550rwhp without trying and still be smog legal. not saying im not a fan of the termi swap, i would much rather see one under the hood of a fox, but if were talking dollar amount, reliability, availability of parts, easier to work on, and more room in the engine bay, i have to recommend an lsx based swap
You bring up good points, but we'll agree to disagree
BTW.. Looks like you did a great job on your LS swap. Any videos?
no videos unfortunatly, but if anyone wants to ride out and get some footage im always down
Posted by 02angrybird (Member # 11259) on
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Originally posted by svfreerider87:
man this makes me wanna pick up a roller, tub it, build a rear end, and throw a ls1 with ms3 cam, and spray that thing to the moon. you guys seen the stock longblock ss on nor cal lsx, that runs 9's with bolt ons, ms3 cam, and a 200 shot? pretty impressive considering the amount of mods and in a pig of an f body.
Dudes got a th350/400 and a t-brake
Posted by VENOMUS PONY 5.0 (Member # 7785) on
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5.0 Lsx how was the electrical aspect of it does your stock gauges work and what did you have to do..?
Posted by 5.0 LsX (Member # 10017) on
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Originally posted by VENOMUS PONY 5.0:
5.0 Lsx how was the electrical aspect of it does your stock gauges work and what did you have to do..?
had the harness done by speartech, labeled with obd2 port, engine light, and fuse box. literally only had to tap into power, ignition, starter solenoid, fuel relay, alternator and starter battery cables..
the only gauges that work on the stock cluster without wiring any up are the fuel level and voltage. i just went with an auto meter dash, only have an oil pressure sensor and water temp sensor under the hood, all other gauges can be ran off of the lsx harness
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