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Originally posted by st5150:
Here is a cool budget setup:

Pick your fave non 'vert body style

C4 tranny with a low 4000 RPM stall

Slicks and gears

Stock bottem end

TFS high port heads

Pick your favorite cam (TFS 2?)

Pick your favorite intake

Pick your favorite exhaust

Pick your favorite power adder

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302
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
my car on a 150 shot is perfect for that
(tremec 3550, spool, 302 H/C/I, + N20). So what if it's light.

[ June 27, 2003, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: shade-tree ]
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
Buy a notchback.
Lighten it up a little bit to ~3000lbs without driver.
Full drag susspenssion.
ET Drags, etc.
Stock longblock with home ported heads & plenty of valvespring.
Aftermarket intake.
Off-road exhaust & straight-thru mufflers.
F303 cam.
Single turbo kit with a T64 & 14-15lbs of boost.
Plenty of fuel.
Automatic prefered, but a Tremec will work.

High 10's at mid 120mph in the 1/4. It's been done with stock E7 heads actually.
 

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Posted by WANARNM (Member # 587) on :
 

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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Buy a notchback.
Lighten it up a little bit to ~3000lbs without driver.
Full drag susspenssion.
ET Drags, etc.
Stock longblock with home ported heads & plenty of valvespring.
Aftermarket intake.
Off-road exhaust & straight-thru mufflers.
F303 cam.
Single turbo kit with a T64 & 14-15lbs of boost.
Plenty of fuel.
Automatic prefered, but a Tremec will work.

High 10's at mid 120mph in the 1/4. It's been done with stock E7 heads actually.

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Turbo's kick ass!!
 

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Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on :
 

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Originally posted by 93PONY:
Buy a notchback.
Lighten it up a little bit to ~3000lbs without driver.
Full drag susspenssion.
ET Drags, etc.
Stock longblock with home ported heads & plenty of valvespring.
Aftermarket intake.
Off-road exhaust & straight-thru mufflers.
F303 cam.
Single turbo kit with a T64 & 14-15lbs of boost.
Plenty of fuel.
Automatic prefered, but a Tremec will work.

High 10's at mid 120mph in the 1/4. It's been done with stock E7 heads actually.

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
TFS high port heads

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Originally posted by 92coupe:

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Originally posted by st5150:
TFS high port heads

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sorry man, but i have to disagree. 185cc heads, and then follow the rest of his reciepe!

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Originally posted by st5150:
TFS high ports have ran 10s, 9s and 8's behind 5.Os down Sacramento Raceway. AFRs.... 13s, 12s, 11s.

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I'm in the debating mood so, you're talkin box stock 185's vs. massaged highports. Plus you're most likely talkin NA (AFR) vs. supercharged (highports) with the ET's you've shown. What a comparison, lol
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
On the AFR side, 13's = that guy with the AOD and E cam making 250 rwhp, 12's = your combo 11's = TheBrain's FTI185's + nitrous., 10's = Non existant, 9's = non existant, 8's = non existant, 7's = non existant, 6's = stop dreaming.

On the TFS side, we have 10's = turbo302's stock TW's, TurboBen with high ports, KevenL with high ports, 9's = KevenL's notch with ported high ports, 8's = Norman?( I think he got 8's off with the high ports), Herman with TFS R's, and god knows how many non EFI SBF's.

[ June 27, 2003, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: st5150 ]
 

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Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
Hehe, don't leave out Mike or Rhett in the 11's NA. Mike has the potential to squeek a very high 10 NA (ideal conditions), but we'll see. All the highport guys are boosted. Wheres the hot LOCAL NA highport guys
 

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Posted by 1SLOWLX (Member # 558) on :
 
Does it have to be streetable?
How about this
347
11.1
TEA heads
Holley intake
And a 100 shot of nos shot put you in the mid 10's easy
 

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
On the AFR side, 13's = that guy with the AOD and E cam making 250 rwhp, 12's = your combo 11's = TheBrain's FTI185's + nitrous., 10's = Non existant, 9's = non existant, 8's = non existant, 7's = non existant, 6's = stop dreaming.

On the TFS side, we have 10's = turbo302's stock TW's, TurboBen with high ports, KevenL with high ports, 9's = KevenL's notch with ported high ports, 8's = Norman?( I think he got 8's off with the high ports), Herman with TFS R's, and god knows how many non EFI SBF's.

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
oh see you mis-understood me, i simply said 185cc heads, NEVER AFR. i am a firm believer in SCREW AFR!!! i was talkin some nicely worked TFS TW's stage 2 race prepped. like the ones for sale. they have a high velocity which makes them good for NA, also flow 327cfm @ .700 lift. where the highports flow what 296cfm @ .800 lift. now im not sure if that is right, but i think the highports flow soemthing liek that. but yea AFR are nothing but a paper weight.

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Bwahahaha, LMAO!
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
92coupe, that was some of the funniest stuff I've read in the tech forum

True, the TW's ported will probably do better than the high ports on a 302 NA street car.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
IMHO if you want consistent 10's, any lick of driveability, and want to stay 302 based, it will require a power adder.

If I were building this car it would have the following...

- stock shortblock
- afr 165's or tfs TW
- any aftermarket intake of your choice (I'd probably match gasket match it to the heads)
- A TFS #1 cam or close to it
- S-trim
- 3.73, 3.90 or 4.10 gears
- slicks
- + all basic bolt ons (injectors, TB, MAF, 1 3/4inch headers, 2.5inch exhaust, etc, etc, etc)

This combo in a reasonable weight fox should run very high 10's assuming a decent driver, a driveline that can handle it, and a good tune.

Personally, I'd prefer to do it naturally aspirated with cubes... Something along the lines of a AFR 205 headed EFI 392 or 408 with some compression...
Luke
 

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
92coupe, that was some of the funniest stuff I've read in the tech forum

True, the TW's ported will probably do better than the high ports on a 302 NA street car.

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
92coupe, that was some of the funniest stuff I've read in the tech forum

True, the TW's ported will probably do better than the high ports on a 302 NA street car.

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
92coupe, that was some of the funniest stuff I've read in the tech forum

True, the TW's ported will probably do better than the high ports on a 302 NA street car.

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
92coupe, that was some of the funniest stuff I've read in the tech forum

True, the TW's ported will probably do better than the high ports on a 302 NA street car.

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
WOW my computer freaked out, sorry about that.
 

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Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
Just to clear something up, The ports and chambers of my AFR 185's are BOX STOCK !!!!! Only thing Ed (FTI) did to my heads was upgrade the springs and set them up for his cam, YES, I am running an FTI cam.
Here's some food for thought
My 'vert weighs 3700 with me in it and a full bottle
It ran 11.24 @122 @3700lbs, now take my motor, drop it in a race prepped 2600-2700lb coupe (less driver) and what do you think it will run? My guess would be around 10.20's @ around 132+ mph
Now, take off the GT-40 intake and installed a ported RPM, a little cleanup on the heads and you're in the 9's

If you don't like AFR heads, Don't buy them. It's fine by me.
There is NOTHING worse than guys with 13-14 second cars telling someone how to run 10's


Brian
 

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Posted by 90GT (Member # 3) on :
 
10.20's less driver would be pretty cool to see, LOL.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Brian- Be sure to post your old box stock/off the shelf combo as well, it fits in this post as well
 

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Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
Brian- Be sure to post your old box stock/off the shelf combo as well, it fits in this post as well

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OK, The old combo was AFR 165's and a TFS stage 2 cam. Ran a best of 11.64 @ 117.30 1.57 60ft w/150 shot and an altitude density 200 ft. The altitude density the day of my 11.24 @122.18 1.61 60ft w/200 shot was 1900 ft
For what it's worth, I picked up exactly SQUAT switching from JBA shorties to Hooker longtubes

Scott,
The reason I said the weight without the driver is because I am not going to build the car, so I wasn't going to include my weight.

Brian
 

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Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
Brian- Be sure to post your old box stock/off the shelf combo as well, it fits in this post as well

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OK, The old combo was AFR 165's and a TFS stage 2 cam. Ran a best of 11.64 @ 117.30 1.57 60ft w/150 shot and an altitude density 200 ft. The altitude density the day of my 11.24 @122.18 1.61 60ft w/200 shot was 1900 ft
For what it's worth, I picked up exactly SQUAT switching from JBA shorties to Hooker longtubes

Scott,
The reason I said the weight without the driver is because I am not going to build the car, so I wasn't going to include my weight.

Brian
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 

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Originally posted by TheBrain:

There is NOTHING worse than guys with 13-14 second cars telling someone how to run 10's


Brian

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Posted by 91sleeper (Member # 779) on :
 

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Originally posted by TheBrain:
Just to clear something up, The ports and chambers of my AFR 185's are BOX STOCK !!!!! Only thing Ed (FTI) did to my heads was upgrade the springs and set them up for his cam, YES, I am running an FTI cam.
Here's some food for thought
My 'vert weighs 3700 with me in it and a full bottle
It ran 11.24 @122 @3700lbs, now take my motor, drop it in a race prepped 2600-2700lb coupe (less driver) and what do you think it will run? My guess would be around 10.20's @ around 132+ mph
Now, take off the GT-40 intake and installed a ported RPM, a little cleanup on the heads and you're in the 9's

If you don't like AFR heads, Don't buy them. It's fine by me.
There is NOTHING worse than guys with 13-14 second cars telling someone how to run 10's


Brian

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Great response.
 

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Posted by turbo302 (Member # 2786) on :
 
Here's a nice 10sec. combo. that I built for a customer of mine (on a budget):
Model LX
Wt. 3,370lbs. w/driver
Engine - stock 302 short block (built by Big Boy Racing)
Vortech S-trim
TB/intake 70mm Trick Flow st intake
Cam E303 (you could get more with the AFMB2 1.6rr)
Mass air proM 77mm
Fuel rail-stock
Pump-255+Trex
injectors 38lb
mac 1 5/8 unequal
computer-stock (I tuned it with fuel pressure & timing)
373 gears
Big Boy Racing sub-frame connectors
Mega byte juniors
lowers Big Boy Racing uppers
This car was driven to and from the race track, best time was a 10.79 at 126 with a 1.59 60ft, he ran consistent 10.80's and he street raced it all the time winning a lot of money. The only other way you could get 10's out of a 302 is with nitrous, but I would not recommend the stock block. With that much nitrous, it would be hard for the crank to stay in the mains . A turbo would be nice but I realize that everybody can't afford a turbo setup.this was a kickass motor built on a budget S-trim was bought used.
turbo302
BIG BOY RACING FABRICATION

[ June 30, 2003, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: turbo302 ]
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
turbo302- I found your sister combo on corral.net:

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?s=6a2899daa0195bf647932790c1c4662a&threadid=318699
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Here is another consistant local 10 second car:

http://www.netwizards.net/~thndr50/specs/specs.html
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
What heads????
 

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Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
Here is another consistant local 10 second car:

http://www.netwizards.net/~thndr50/specs/specs.html

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How is that a consistent 10 second combo if that shortblock never ran with those parts in that car???
 

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Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
turbo302- I found your sister combo on corral.net:

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?s=6a2899daa0195bf647932790c1c4662a&threadid=318699

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Or any NMRA "Real Street" car... too bad none of those are actually driven on the street.
 

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Posted by turbo302 (Member # 2786) on :
 
Yeah Jeff,
You are right. I was told Ben never ran the A4 combination. We were building our cars at the same time. We were supposed to race once he got his setup all finished, but I think he sold everything to buy a house. Then again, a used S-trim+302 can = 10's (on a budget).
turbo302
Big Boy Racing Fabrication
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
I didn't know TurboBen never ran that combo... when he was running mid 10's, he had the same heads, turbo and intake. What was different in the new combo? Just the short block?
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
Early coupe,351 windsor stroker, Any good aftermarket aluminum head. Nice c-4 with a brake adjustable rear uppers and lowers. Victor JR intake and race carb (Holley) at least 800cfm. Nos Cheater plate system to go 9's.
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
What heads????

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Originally posted by turbo302:
same heads that i use trickflow any aftermarket head will work.when you force air(turbo supercharger)into the trickflows they kickass! look at the combo's in real street renegade,drag radil. turbo302 BIGBOYRACING

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Originally posted by st5150:
I didn't know TurboBen never ran that combo... when he was running mid 10's, he had the same heads, turbo and intake. What was different in the new combo? Just the short block?

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:

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Originally posted by turbo302:
same heads that i use trickflow any aftermarket head will work.when you force air(turbo supercharger)into the trickflows they kickass! look at the combo's in real street renegade,drag radil. turbo302 BIGBOYRACING

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so, 8psi (SC) on my setup (ported TW's) can gain 10mph?

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:

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Originally posted by turbo302:
same heads that i use trickflow any aftermarket head will work.when you force air(turbo supercharger)into the trickflows they kickass! look at the combo's in real street renegade,drag radil. turbo302 BIGBOYRACING

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so, 8psi (SC) on my setup (ported TW's) can gain 10mph?

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i pick up 9 mph with a novi2000,iron heads,stock cam...you with ported heads...

[ July 01, 2003, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: onesicklx ]
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
Well,
8psi from a little SN89 Paxton. Lots-o-drag. We'll see.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
89 psi from a SN89 = bearing rebuild in no time. Especially in this heat. Barbra Bush says?: Just say no to bearing and internal belt drive blowers
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
89 psi from a SN89 = bearing rebuild in no time. Especially in this heat. Barbra Bush says?: Just say no to bearing and internal belt drive blowers

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Must be nice to have the money to make those choices.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Can't find an old A trim or B trim?

Got 'naws'?
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
not for the deal I got on this sc. n2o is boring.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Start looking for a deal on a rebuild kit. I hear replacing the bearings isn't too hard to do yourself. They don't like heat at all. Bypassing the blower pully for long drives wouldn't be a bad idea. Back in the mid '90s my buddy had one ( http://mustangs.harmonic.org/9193/dg91.html )

[ July 01, 2003, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: st5150 ]
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
Joe's flexible flier on a 150 shot = less boring than Jim's luxo-barge with a little blower
 

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Posted by gixxer408 (Member # 2454) on :
 
408W stroker with Victor Jr. heads. GT Fox body, any automatic with transbrake, 3.73 gears, 3400lb (PSCA True street legal)....... 10.40's @ 135 all day long all motor. 9.40's with 150 shot.
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
Start looking for a deal on a rebuild kit. I hear replacing the bearings isn't too hard to do yourself. They don't like heat at all. Bypassing the blower pully for long drives wouldn't be a bad idea. Back in the mid '90s my buddy had one ( http://mustangs.harmonic.org/9193/dg91.html )

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Calm down, Sawson, I am well aware of the SN series shortcomings. An oil cooler and synthetic fluid should handle the heat issue. If not- I am not out much. And I am only aiming for 8psi MAX. So if it just hits it a 6k, I am OK w/ that.
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
spray a 50 shot on top of that shit! that's the real poor man's intercooler!

/random jab at st5150
 

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Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
n2o is boring.

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?!?!?!?!? Wanna go for a ride?

Then again, it does suck when the bottle goes empty. Which is why I bought another one
Brian
 

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Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on :
 

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
not for the deal I got on this sc. n2o is boring.

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Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on :
 

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
\ n2o is boring.

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Obviously hasn't had much "naws" experience
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by Yellow94GT:

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Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
\ n2o is boring.

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Obviously hasn't had much "naws" experience

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You guys seem to forget my age...

It is a kick in the ass when you hit it. Til it runs out. But ALMOST anyone can slap on a small wet kit and get 100-150hp or so extra out of a V8 relatively safely. Why not run nitro? Or better yet, hydrazine? Better living thru dangerous chemistry.
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
oops, dbl post.

[ July 01, 2003, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: FasterDamnit ]
 

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Posted by 91sleeper (Member # 779) on :
 
Getting back to the orignal question:

I like the whole idea of a 347 with TFS heads and intake with a pretty radical cam and 10:1 compression. Oh and don't forget the 150 shot from a NX Wet plate kit, 3.73's, Tremec 3550, and slics.
 

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