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Posted by 5.0Brian (Member # 262) on :
 
I improved my best times again after the removal of the stock cat-back and installing 2.5" mufflers and flowtubes in their place (no tailpipes anymore, it's dumped). The time is a 13.67 at 99.14 with a 1.97 60 ft. This was still on my 225-60-15 street tires. Drag radials will be coming up soon. I'm happy with this time and hoping for 12's with full exhaust and gears. Anybody think it will be possible?
 
Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Nice! What brand/model 225 tires are you running? Several people have ran 12's on a stocker 5.O... you just have to get your 60 foots well into the 1.6X range and lighten up your car some. What was your 1/8th mile ET and MPH?
 
Posted by MilesMerk (Member # 27) on :
 
Right on Brian! Those times are lookin pretty good!! I dont think 12's is too far away
 
Posted by 5.0Brian (Member # 262) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by st5150:
Nice! What brand/model 225 tires are you running? Several people have ran 12's on a stocker 5.O... you just have to get your 60 foots well into the 1.6X range and lighten up your car some. What was your 1/8th mile ET and MPH?

The tires are called Goodyear Eagle GPS. The 1/8th mile was 8.73 at 79.38 mph. I'm thinking I might remove the spare tire and stuff like that to help a little bit in the weight department. It weighed in at 3300 on the scale at the track yesterday.

[ March 03, 2002: Message edited by: 5.0Brian ]


 
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on :
 
Brian, great times, i cant believe you. way to go!
 
Posted by 5.0Brian (Member # 262) on :
 
Sawson, Miles, and Chuck, thanks for the compliments.
 
Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
sounds to me like slicks will get you a 12, go for it! try to minimize the mods, you know, just gears, pullies, exhaust if you can.

I had to get my 60' into the 1.7x range to run 12's in my stock motored 5.0 (except for an explorer intake). 1/8 mile stats for me were 8.2x at 82-83 that got me some 12's.
 

Posted by 5.0Brian (Member # 262) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-tree:
sounds to me like slicks will get you a 12, go for it! try to minimize the mods, you know, just gears, pullies, exhaust if you can.

I had to get my 60' into the 1.7x range to run 12's in my stock motored 5.0 (except for an explorer intake). 1/8 mile stats for me were 8.2x at 82-83 that got me some 12's.

Looking at that mph compared to mine it looks like I need some more power also. Hopefully the headers and off-road H will cure that for me (if I ever get around to installing them). I need to get those headers first though. Hey Miles, when can I get those from you?
 

Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
81mph in the 1/8 and 102 in the 1/4 are about all you need to get a 12 in a mostly stock stang.

my mph was a little high relative to my ET I think because of my clutch/tranny. 1-2 and 2-3 I wasn't able to totally powershift. that costs some ET. [worship]
 

Posted by yesIdid (Member # 58) on :
 
Sometimes I wish I had bought a notchback ...

BTW, nice times!!!
 

Posted by TRY2PAZ (Member # 97) on :
 
Congrats Brian. Way to to go

I disagree with shadtree about going 12's with a 102 trap. Only way thats possible is with a full gutted car, slicks, low 1.6 60ft, 50 degree weather, and to shift perfectly. Not saying it can't be done, just next to impossible. I'm runing 13.3@102 with a 1.7 60ft.

Look at IMBROKEN- he is trapping 108, and just ran a 12.96 with ET streets.
 

Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
gutting has nothing to do with it. mph simply represents (or approximates) HP vs. weight. You could either add HP, or subtract weight. Either way it doesn't make any difference to the outcome.
I stated what I have seen as the bare minumum mph shown to hit a 12.9x in a stock suspension'd mustang. You can take that to also indicate an optimal pass. Something like a marqee driver.

hitting 13.3 @ 102 is indicative that either the chassis isn't as effecient as a fox chassis, (perhaps it has lowering springs, slicks without a big sidewall, excessive weight over the front wheels, perhaps it doesn't have enough gear, etc. etc.) or there is improvement left available in the driver.

12.9 @ 108.x shows me that there is easily 0.5 in ET left in that driver!

Jared Rude of the corral is a good example of a completely stock (edit: MOTORED) mustang squeaking a 12.99 @ 102.x with a mid 1.7x 60'.

One of his tricks was racing with a decent clutch and a re-built stock tranny so that he could powershift like a biznatch.

my car hit a 13.11 @ 102 so I know it's feasible. That was in summer, around high 70 temps, didn't even have headers. Just an ordinary high 1.7x 60' and clean powershifts.

I brought it up once (on the corral) that perhaps the SN-95 chassis is less efficient in terms of MPH/vs. ET.

I was summarily rebuttled by the mod motor guys running the same types of ET/vs. MPH (plenty of 12.9x @ 102.x in the mod motor classes too)
So this tells me that the SN-95 is just as capable of 'ideal' launches as a fox.

[ March 07, 2002: Message edited by: shade-tree ]


 
Posted by youl luz (Member # 53) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TRY2PAZ:

Look at IMBROKEN- he is trapping 108, and just ran a 12.96 with ET streets.

FWIW: matt ran 17" drag radials and was only traping at 106mph up at sac for some reason...
 

Posted by TRY2PAZ (Member # 97) on :
 
Having saleen bumpers is not a plus for me. There are guys squeezing 12.9's@104 on stock Gt's. How they are trapping 104's os beyond me. Maybe 12.9's is possible out of a 103, but not hot lapping and and have full interior. You need a perfect launch and perfect shifying.

Maybe Brian can get a 12.99 w/ long tubes slicks and gears. He seems to have his driving down. I never broke a 2.0 60ft on street tires. My best is a 2.02

Gabe- I need the info fir the show.
 

Posted by 5.0Brian (Member # 262) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shade-tree:
81mph in the 1/8 and 102 in the 1/4 are about all you need to get a 12 in a mostly stock stang.

my mph was a little high relative to my ET I think because of my clutch/tranny. 1-2 and 2-3 I wasn't able to totally powershift. that costs some ET. [worship]

I'm not even powershifting though, just shifting quickly. How much ET do you think is in
powershifting? I plan to do shorty headers and an off-road H pipe still, also my gears need to be installed and the traction-lock needs to be rebuilt because the car will only do a one-legger burnout (I only spin the right rear right now it's so worn out). It'll also be nice to not light up that one tire making right corners or when driving in the rain too.

Thanks to all for the compliments [worship]
 

Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
sounds like your current diff will really hold back your 60' with slicks. You probably don't notice it as much as your quite traction limited on street tires anyways. When my diff was going (actually, one rear caliper was locking, same difference), I could only manage mid/high 1.8x 60's on ET streets. fixing the caliper allowed a solid launch and low/mid 1.7x with same tires.

Powershifting... is worth easily 0.2 by itself. The critical one is 1-2. 2-3 is less important, and the run is virtually over by 3-4 (powershift it anyways of course)

when I went from stock headers to longtubes it was worth a solid 1 mph. Not a bad mod. I think short-tubes aren't worth a whole lot on a stocker though.
 

Posted by PunkINa5.SLOW (Member # 10) on :
 
Put some 28 inch slicks on stocker and run some 4.10s or 4.30s and I bet it will 1.6 60 foot.

I went 1.67s with 4.10s on a 28X10.5X15 on stock motor with cam and long tubes/pullies/exhaust.

I 1.52 with a 175 shot same slicks same gear.
 





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