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Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
So just got approved. And been looking at some homes. But what do you guys recommended. FHA or conventional?
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
Conventional, FHA pmi for life bruh
 
Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
Conventional, FHA pmi for life bruh

Been fighting with my wife about PMI and FHA Loans. I personally only want do a traditional loan but everyone's circumstances are different. If you manage to buy a home at it's lowest point a few years ago, you most likely have over 20% equity into your home.

Lastly don't let the loan officer talk you into having them pay off your PMI and adjusting your interest rate in the process. Cause now your stuck paying more over the life of the loan opposed to the time it takes to acquire 20% equity.
 
Posted by adower (Member # 5955) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
So just got approved. And been looking at some homes. But what do you guys recommended. FHA or conventional?

Conventional. I would only do tha if youre sure you are only going to be in that house for a few years. Sell get equity and put 20% down on the next one.
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by adower:
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
So just got approved. And been looking at some homes. But what do you guys recommended. FHA or conventional?

Conventional. I would only do tha if youre sure you are only going to be in that house for a few years. Sell get equity and put 20% down on the next one.
Thats my goal. Since im buying a home about 50 minutes away from work.
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
3.5% vs 5% isn't shit more down. FHA charges twice in PMI upfront which is almost 2% or maybe more of the loan amount which they tack on no to the loan. Plus the monthly which is higher than conventional, and when you go pay the fucker off they charge a full months worth extra if you don't pay it off by the 1st of the month. You'll get more money back from a conventional loan 10x out of 10x if you plan on upgrading later. Just don't pay any points and take a higher rate vs lower rate if that's the case. FHA is for suckers
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
Unless the house is a fixer then FHA gotta few different options. But you pay
 
Posted by 5.t0es (Member # 5864) on :
 
you can always do the fha if you do not have the extra cash down. Now fha MIP (monthly ins premium) stays on for the life of the loan, You can always hope the market goes up and rates stay similar and refinance out to a conventional at a later date.

fha cons: mip for life, expensive appraisal, strict home criteria,upfront costs. The mip can add upwards of 300 a month to your payment

fha pros: 3.5 down
 
Posted by 97cobra209 (Member # 11376) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by adower:
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
So just got approved. And been looking at some homes. But what do you guys recommended. FHA or conventional?

Conventional. I would only do tha if youre sure you are only going to be in that house for a few years. Sell get equity and put 20% down on the next one.
Then again this is how many people lost thier homes when the market bubble went pop!!
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
very simple, if you have the cash required to get into a non FHA loan go that route.
why? as already mentioned, lower rates, no pmi, way more loan options, relatively easier loan closing.

the reality is most folks dont have 20% cash down(~100k plus on an avg bay area home) so theyre left with limited options..FHA or just rent.
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
very simple, if you have the cash required to get into a non FHA loan go that route.
why? as already mentioned, lower rates, no pmi, way more loan options, relatively easier loan closing.

the reality is most folks dont have 20% cash down(~100k plus on an avg bay area home) so theyre left with limited options..FHA or just rent.

Conventional requires 5% down not 20% anymore... 5% vs 3.5% is a no brainer just wait a month or two to save up for a better option.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
very simple, if you have the cash required to get into a non FHA loan go that route.
why? as already mentioned, lower rates, no pmi, way more loan options, relatively easier loan closing.

the reality is most folks dont have 20% cash down(~100k plus on an avg bay area home) so theyre left with limited options..FHA or just rent.

Conventional requires 5% down not 20% anymore... 5% vs 3.5% is a no brainer just wait a month or two to save up for a better option.
yeah if thats the case itll come down to what gets u the better rate as one will be looking at pmi regardless. that said, i wouldnt let PMI stop you from buying especially if the market is down(which it isnt now) as rise in home value can get u back to above the equity level for no PMI on a refi. those that bought in 2012 are seeing lots of benefits from a down market that now has jumped 20-30% since then...that means those w/ PMI back then likely could refi without needing PMI.

[ 2014-10-27, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: venomous99 ]
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
Thanks guys great info.
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
Both conv and FHA has pmi but the fha pmi is for as long as you own the loan, conventional you can get an appraisal and remove pmi later without a new refi. A lot of brokers are convincing people to go FHA because they know they have to redo/refi the loan later to get rid of the PMI. More refis equals more commissions for them!
 
Posted by Z06-FTMFW (Member # 3164) on :
 
If you have the money, than do a 30 year fix. If you don't than your only option is an FHA. Just remember on an FHA loan you will pay insurance on the loan @125-200$ a month. On the same loan, you will not pay that if you put 20% down.
 
Posted by Z06-FTMFW (Member # 3164) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by adower:
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
So just got approved. And been looking at some homes. But what do you guys recommended. FHA or conventional?

Conventional. I would only do tha if youre sure you are only going to be in that house for a few years. Sell get equity and put 20% down on the next one.
This is a good idea, but by the time you have equity in your home, it means the house prices have gone up. This theory doesn't really work. You should never buy a home with the idea of "oh I'll sell it in a few years". What the value drops? This is how many people got into trouble.
I have two rental properties and I'm hoping to buy another one next year. I have plenty of equity in either houses to refinance and pull money out for a down payment, but Its just a bad idea IMO. I don't recommend this to anyone.
 
Posted by Infamous5.0 (Member # 1745) on :
 
put 20% down with a conventional loan and you wont ever have to worry about pmi (not mip as someone called it)
 
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on :
 
Pay cash an own it outright
 
Posted by i (Member # 12534) on :
 
Fixed rate mortgage
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Pay cash an own it outright

lika chinese peoprrr
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
pay cash...put down 20%...easier said than done if youre tryign to buy in the bay area. shiet...is this is the same crowd trying to figure financing for a 30year old fox?

[Wink]

[ 2014-10-27, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: venomous99 ]
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
pay cash...put down 20%...easier said than done if youre tryign to buy in the bay area. shiet...is this is the same crowd trying to figure financing for a 30year old fox?

[Wink]

haha, maybe ed650 will co sign for some of these guys on their house.
 
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
pay cash...put down 20%...easier said than done if youre tryign to buy in the bay area. shiet...is this is the same crowd trying to figure financing for a 30year old fox?

[Wink]

It comes down to money management some are better thing others at it.
 
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
quote:
Originally posted by hurting your feelings:
Pay cash an own it outright

lika chinese peoprrr
[LIST]

Or like old white people money.
 
Posted by sic70stang (Member # 4347) on :
 
I got lucky and put 20% down on a 15 year loan. Avoid that PMI at all costs!!
 
Posted by moeofit32 (Member # 10393) on :
 
All i know is everyday the housing market is getting tougher i went through hell to get my house so i say get it however you can....2% can be a nice chunk of cash depending on the price of the home
 
Posted by 5.t0es (Member # 5864) on :
 
Who was the large guy joe working at chase in sac area? Used to have some decent info before i bought my first home! Ill try and did his s/n up
 
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 5.t0es:
Who was the large guy joe working at chase in sac area? Used to have some decent info before i bought my first home! Ill try and did his s/n up

135.0 =joe
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
Well I have the 20% for the price of the home im looking for. The only thing that kinda questions me is that there is really like 80 to 100 bucks difference between 20% to 3.5% and in my mind I feel ether I keep keep most of my down and spend on upgrade
 
Posted by 5.t0es (Member # 5864) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
Well I have the 20% for the price of the home im looking for. The only thing that kinda questions me is that there is really like 80 to 100 bucks difference between 20% to 3.5% and in my mind I feel ether I keep keep most of my down and spend on upgrade

huh? your WRONG. tack on 200-300 a month for mortgage insurance plus your 80-100 extra principal...upwards of 400 a month
 
Posted by 5.t0es (Member # 5864) on :
 
losbadgt and do your math again.......400k house 80k down is 20 percent 12k is 3 percent 68k difference is a couple hundred dollars not 80?
 
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
Well I have the 20% for the price of the home im looking for. The only thing that kinda questions me is that there is really like 80 to 100 bucks difference between 20% to 3.5% and in my mind I feel ether I keep keep most of my down and spend on upgrade

Keep thinking like that you will be in debt for the rest of your life an never own the home you're living in.
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
If you have the 20% you'd be better off putting it down vs paying pmi. Pmi is of absolutely no benefit to you, the only way to collect on the policy is the bank collecting if you don't pay. Your better off lighting your money on fire. But honestly if you are having problems understanding the difference between 3.5% vs 20% you better go back to your loan officer or bank and have then prepare some new quotes ASAP. I mean this should be the biggest purchase of your life, so you should know as much as you can first.

You do realize closing costs are another 2-3% of the sales price too they don't let you finance, right!?
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
If you have the 20% you'd be better off putting it down vs paying pmi. Pmi is of absolutely no benefit to you, the only way to collect on the policy is the bank collecting if you don't pay. Your better off lighting your money on fire. But honestly if you are having problems understanding the difference between 3.5% vs 20% you better go back to your loan officer or bank and have then prepare some new quotes ASAP. I mean this should be the biggest purchase of your life, so you should know as much as you can first.

You do realize closing costs are another 2-3% of the sales price too they don't let you finance, right!?

Well this is pretty much my first time buying a home thats why I been asking and trying to figure out whats best. Thats why also I been saving to buy a home. But I got cut up in this whole fha thing so thats why I was in doubt.
 
Posted by 86hatchkid (Member # 10698) on :
 
Looks like I should've came here for advice before I bought my house I was clueless at first
 
Posted by RAP66 (Member # 3360) on :
 
We did FHA 3% down, it was easier in our situation to be able to buy our house. We carried the loan for 3yrs then refinanced to remove the PMI and get a slightly lower interest rate.
 
Posted by 86hatchkid (Member # 10698) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RAP66:
We did FHA 3% down, it was easier in our situation to be able to buy our house. We carried the loan for 3yrs then refinanced to remove the PMI and get a slightly lower interest rate.

This is what I plan to do in the near future I also did the FHA 3% down.
 
Posted by RAP66 (Member # 3360) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 86hatchkid:
quote:
Originally posted by RAP66:
We did FHA 3% down, it was easier in our situation to be able to buy our house. We carried the loan for 3yrs then refinanced to remove the PMI and get a slightly lower interest rate.

This is what I plan to do in the near future I also did the FHA 3% down.
You can refi anytime you want, we did it to get rid of the rip off PMI. In my case I was between jobs and working as a long term contract employee. Making it harder for me even be considered for a refi. Luckily I landed a nice job and our equity in the house has nearly doubled since we bought it, so for us it was win win.

[ 2014-10-28, 12:23 AM: Message edited by: RAP66 ]
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
So if you can just refi anytime you want. Let's say you buy a house now at 3.75% with PMI and by the time you pay the loan down to 80% or the value goes up to where your at 80% but the rates are at 4% or even 5%. Why would you refi to a higher rate again???? And if you can refi anytime you want, how come when everybody's house price was super low a couple years back, hardly anybody could refi unless you qualified for the Obama plan???? Lol

Stick conventional, it's the only way you can keep the low ass rate we have right now which isn't going to last forever, when your pay down the loan and have 80% loan to value. All you do then is get an appraisal and not have to refi. You know refinancing isn't free either right?
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 86hatchkid:
quote:
Originally posted by RAP66:
We did FHA 3% down, it was easier in our situation to be able to buy our house. We carried the loan for 3yrs then refinanced to remove the PMI and get a slightly lower interest rate.

This is what I plan to do in the near future I also did the FHA 3% down.
What rate did you start at? Rates now are in the 3% range, very small room for a better rate in the future right? Unless they go to 2%, im not sure that's gonna happen anytime soon.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
to the original poster, i suggest you do a lot of reading on the pitfalls of home loans and understand very clearly the pros and cons going with the various types. it sounds like you're quite a ways from getting there.
make a sound and analytic decision on which type of loan works for you since one plan that works for someone else may not necessarily work for you.
some things to consider:
-do not drain your bank account to make up the 20%. its more important to make sure you have enough reserves in your bank account to survive 6 months in case of an emergency(i.e lost job, injuries, etc).
-pmi is not the end of the world if you choose to go conventional with less than 20% down or FHA. some FHA loans require 10 years of payment before the pmi is lifted even if on paper your projected equity is higher than 20% or whatever the threshold is. a refi will generally take care of this.
-when presented with a nice rate, look at what the closing costs are especially points to buy down a rate(i.e ask the agent what the APR is and how that compares to rate as that will give you an idea of the cost to acquire the loan). if your short term goal is to eventually refi, dont pay down the interest rate if there are points involved or if you do, find out what the break even point is in terms of years vs other loans and find out what suites you best. ppl often make the mistake of paying exorbitant closing costs to acquire a more attractive lower rate without even realizing the cost and then end up refi'ing in a few years. thats wasted money.

keep in mind, closing costs for a home about 500k or more will run you around $10k but many times will be rolled into your principle if you cant fund it. if you're truly trying to reach 20%, factor in that $10k or whatever it is.

go on trulia and talk to several loan officers to get more information. believe me, the avg joe home buyer doesnt know jack shiet about this stuff even if theyve bought a few homes or have gone through the process.
i probably learned the most by picking the brain of a loan broker i trusted and who eventually did 3 home loans for me. then again, the math and finance didnt scare me at all since its all stuff i understood.
 
Posted by TEXAS (Member # 11875) on :
 
Move to Texas
 
Posted by hurting your feelings (Member # 13641) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TEXAS:
Move to Texas

Why you don't even live there.
 
Posted by Z06-FTMFW (Member # 3164) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 5.t0es:
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
Well I have the 20% for the price of the home im looking for. The only thing that kinda questions me is that there is really like 80 to 100 bucks difference between 20% to 3.5% and in my mind I feel ether I keep keep most of my down and spend on upgrade

huh? your WRONG. tack on 200-300 a month for mortgage insurance plus your 80-100 extra principal...upwards of 400 a month
ya I agree, there is a huge difference between putting down 20% or 3.5%.
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
to the original poster, i suggest you do a lot of reading on the pitfalls of home loans and understand very clearly the pros and cons going with the various types. it sounds like you're quite a ways from getting there.
make a sound and analytic decision on which type of loan works for you since one plan that works for someone else may not necessarily work for you.
some things to consider:
-do not drain your bank account to make up the 20%. its more important to make sure you have enough reserves in your bank account to survive 6 months in case of an emergency(i.e lost job, injuries, etc).
-pmi is not the end of the world if you choose to go conventional with less than 20% down or FHA. some FHA loans require 10 years of payment before the pmi is lifted even if on paper your projected equity is higher than 20% or whatever the threshold is. a refi will generally take care of this.
-when presented with a nice rate, look at what the closing costs are especially points to buy down a rate(i.e ask the agent what the APR is and how that compares to rate as that will give you an idea of the cost to acquire the loan). if your short term goal is to eventually refi, dont pay down the interest rate if there are points involved or if you do, find out what the break even point is in terms of years vs other loans and find out what suites you best. ppl often make the mistake of paying exorbitant closing costs to acquire a more attractive lower rate without even realizing the cost and then end up refi'ing in a few years. thats wasted money.

keep in mind, closing costs for a home about 500k or more will run you around $10k but many times will be rolled into your principle if you cant fund it. if you're truly trying to reach 20%, factor in that $10k or whatever it is.

go on trulia and talk to several loan officers to get more information. believe me, the avg joe home buyer doesnt know jack shiet about this stuff even if theyve bought a few homes or have gone through the process.
i probably learned the most by picking the brain of a loan broker i trusted and who eventually did 3 home loans for me. then again, the math and finance didnt scare me at all since its all stuff i understood.

thanks man I really appreciated. Yea I been talking to a few people already and trying to figured whats best for me. The reason I asked about FHA its because I didn't know much about it and reading or asking loan officers is not the same as asking people that have gone through it. I have the 20% and closing cost but who wouldn't want to keep more money on there saving for protection. So far the rate im getting is 4.25% with 20 percent down.
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
to the original poster, i suggest you do a lot of reading on the pitfalls of home loans and understand very clearly the pros and cons going with the various types. it sounds like you're quite a ways from getting there.
make a sound and analytic decision on which type of loan works for you since one plan that works for someone else may not necessarily work for you.
some things to consider:
-do not drain your bank account to make up the 20%. its more important to make sure you have enough reserves in your bank account to survive 6 months in case of an emergency(i.e lost job, injuries, etc).
-pmi is not the end of the world if you choose to go conventional with less than 20% down or FHA. some FHA loans require 10 years of payment before the pmi is lifted even if on paper your projected equity is higher than 20% or whatever the threshold is. a refi will generally take care of this.
-when presented with a nice rate, look at what the closing costs are especially points to buy down a rate(i.e ask the agent what the APR is and how that compares to rate as that will give you an idea of the cost to acquire the loan). if your short term goal is to eventually refi, dont pay down the interest rate if there are points involved or if you do, find out what the break even point is in terms of years vs other loans and find out what suites you best. ppl often make the mistake of paying exorbitant closing costs to acquire a more attractive lower rate without even realizing the cost and then end up refi'ing in a few years. thats wasted money.

keep in mind, closing costs for a home about 500k or more will run you around $10k but many times will be rolled into your principle if you cant fund it. if you're truly trying to reach 20%, factor in that $10k or whatever it is.

go on trulia and talk to several loan officers to get more information. believe me, the avg joe home buyer doesnt know jack shiet about this stuff even if theyve bought a few homes or have gone through the process.
i probably learned the most by picking the brain of a loan broker i trusted and who eventually did 3 home loans for me. then again, the math and finance didnt scare me at all since its all stuff i understood.

thanks man I really appreciated. Yea I been talking to a few people already and trying to figured whats best for me. The reason I asked about FHA its because I didn't know much about it and reading or asking loan officers is not the same as asking people that have gone through it. I have the 20% and closing cost but who wouldn't want to keep more money on there saving for protection. So far the rate im getting is 4.25% with 20 percent down.
Find a bank or broker who will price match, then go to quickenloans.com and pull up a quote.

http://www.aimloan.com/rates

Should be in the 3% range bruh, but you can't really lock until you find the house.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
to the original poster, i suggest you do a lot of reading on the pitfalls of home loans and understand very clearly the pros and cons going with the various types. it sounds like you're quite a ways from getting there.
make a sound and analytic decision on which type of loan works for you since one plan that works for someone else may not necessarily work for you.
some things to consider:
-do not drain your bank account to make up the 20%. its more important to make sure you have enough reserves in your bank account to survive 6 months in case of an emergency(i.e lost job, injuries, etc).
-pmi is not the end of the world if you choose to go conventional with less than 20% down or FHA. some FHA loans require 10 years of payment before the pmi is lifted even if on paper your projected equity is higher than 20% or whatever the threshold is. a refi will generally take care of this.
-when presented with a nice rate, look at what the closing costs are especially points to buy down a rate(i.e ask the agent what the APR is and how that compares to rate as that will give you an idea of the cost to acquire the loan). if your short term goal is to eventually refi, dont pay down the interest rate if there are points involved or if you do, find out what the break even point is in terms of years vs other loans and find out what suites you best. ppl often make the mistake of paying exorbitant closing costs to acquire a more attractive lower rate without even realizing the cost and then end up refi'ing in a few years. thats wasted money.

keep in mind, closing costs for a home about 500k or more will run you around $10k but many times will be rolled into your principle if you cant fund it. if you're truly trying to reach 20%, factor in that $10k or whatever it is.

go on trulia and talk to several loan officers to get more information. believe me, the avg joe home buyer doesnt know jack shiet about this stuff even if theyve bought a few homes or have gone through the process.
i probably learned the most by picking the brain of a loan broker i trusted and who eventually did 3 home loans for me. then again, the math and finance didnt scare me at all since its all stuff i understood.

thanks man I really appreciated. Yea I been talking to a few people already and trying to figured whats best for me. The reason I asked about FHA its because I didn't know much about it and reading or asking loan officers is not the same as asking people that have gone through it. I have the 20% and closing cost but who wouldn't want to keep more money on there saving for protection. So far the rate im getting is 4.25% with 20 percent down.
whats the APR? dont confuse rate w/ APR. they are different in most cases especially if points are paid upfront. remember just cuz someone is offering you 2.5% that doesnt necessarily mean its better than 4%. it depends on your goals w/ the loan and your situation.
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
to the original poster, i suggest you do a lot of reading on the pitfalls of home loans and understand very clearly the pros and cons going with the various types. it sounds like you're quite a ways from getting there.
make a sound and analytic decision on which type of loan works for you since one plan that works for someone else may not necessarily work for you.
some things to consider:
-do not drain your bank account to make up the 20%. its more important to make sure you have enough reserves in your bank account to survive 6 months in case of an emergency(i.e lost job, injuries, etc).
-pmi is not the end of the world if you choose to go conventional with less than 20% down or FHA. some FHA loans require 10 years of payment before the pmi is lifted even if on paper your projected equity is higher than 20% or whatever the threshold is. a refi will generally take care of this.
-when presented with a nice rate, look at what the closing costs are especially points to buy down a rate(i.e ask the agent what the APR is and how that compares to rate as that will give you an idea of the cost to acquire the loan). if your short term goal is to eventually refi, dont pay down the interest rate if there are points involved or if you do, find out what the break even point is in terms of years vs other loans and find out what suites you best. ppl often make the mistake of paying exorbitant closing costs to acquire a more attractive lower rate without even realizing the cost and then end up refi'ing in a few years. thats wasted money.

keep in mind, closing costs for a home about 500k or more will run you around $10k but many times will be rolled into your principle if you cant fund it. if you're truly trying to reach 20%, factor in that $10k or whatever it is.

go on trulia and talk to several loan officers to get more information. believe me, the avg joe home buyer doesnt know jack shiet about this stuff even if theyve bought a few homes or have gone through the process.
i probably learned the most by picking the brain of a loan broker i trusted and who eventually did 3 home loans for me. then again, the math and finance didnt scare me at all since its all stuff i understood.

thanks man I really appreciated. Yea I been talking to a few people already and trying to figured whats best for me. The reason I asked about FHA its because I didn't know much about it and reading or asking loan officers is not the same as asking people that have gone through it. I have the 20% and closing cost but who wouldn't want to keep more money on there saving for protection. So far the rate im getting is 4.25% with 20 percent down.
whats the APR? dont confuse rate w/ APR. they are different in most cases especially if points are paid upfront. remember just cuz someone is offering you 2.5% that doesnt necessarily mean its better than 4%. it depends on your goals w/ the loan and your situation.
huh now thata something I didn't know. Glad have u guys to help me with this. I will double check on the apr. This whole time I been more worried about looking for the right home for my fam. I though I had everything ready with my credit being great good down payment and all but there is a lot to look into. So thanks so much on all this info. One thing for sure though I dont jump into anytype of deals until I really feel good about it.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
to the original poster, i suggest you do a lot of reading on the pitfalls of home loans and understand very clearly the pros and cons going with the various types. it sounds like you're quite a ways from getting there.
make a sound and analytic decision on which type of loan works for you since one plan that works for someone else may not necessarily work for you.
some things to consider:
-do not drain your bank account to make up the 20%. its more important to make sure you have enough reserves in your bank account to survive 6 months in case of an emergency(i.e lost job, injuries, etc).
-pmi is not the end of the world if you choose to go conventional with less than 20% down or FHA. some FHA loans require 10 years of payment before the pmi is lifted even if on paper your projected equity is higher than 20% or whatever the threshold is. a refi will generally take care of this.
-when presented with a nice rate, look at what the closing costs are especially points to buy down a rate(i.e ask the agent what the APR is and how that compares to rate as that will give you an idea of the cost to acquire the loan). if your short term goal is to eventually refi, dont pay down the interest rate if there are points involved or if you do, find out what the break even point is in terms of years vs other loans and find out what suites you best. ppl often make the mistake of paying exorbitant closing costs to acquire a more attractive lower rate without even realizing the cost and then end up refi'ing in a few years. thats wasted money.

keep in mind, closing costs for a home about 500k or more will run you around $10k but many times will be rolled into your principle if you cant fund it. if you're truly trying to reach 20%, factor in that $10k or whatever it is.

go on trulia and talk to several loan officers to get more information. believe me, the avg joe home buyer doesnt know jack shiet about this stuff even if theyve bought a few homes or have gone through the process.
i probably learned the most by picking the brain of a loan broker i trusted and who eventually did 3 home loans for me. then again, the math and finance didnt scare me at all since its all stuff i understood.

thanks man I really appreciated. Yea I been talking to a few people already and trying to figured whats best for me. The reason I asked about FHA its because I didn't know much about it and reading or asking loan officers is not the same as asking people that have gone through it. I have the 20% and closing cost but who wouldn't want to keep more money on there saving for protection. So far the rate im getting is 4.25% with 20 percent down.
whats the APR? dont confuse rate w/ APR. they are different in most cases especially if points are paid upfront. remember just cuz someone is offering you 2.5% that doesnt necessarily mean its better than 4%. it depends on your goals w/ the loan and your situation.
huh now thata something I didn't know. Glad have u guys to help me with this. I will double check on the apr. This whole time I been more worried about looking for the right home for my fam. I though I had everything ready with my credit being great good down payment and all but there is a lot to look into. So thanks so much on all this info. One thing for sure though I dont jump into anytype of deals until I really feel good about it.
the APR helps u compare loans vs just rate since there are other cost variables you need to factor in like points(if applicable) that get tacked onto your closing cost. a buddy of mine got a killer rate of 2.5% 2 years ago but when i looked more into his deal, he didnt realize the APR was like 4% since he was paying like 6 points or something like that.
the rate sounds good and all only if you decide to go long term but if you're like many that choose to refi in less than 5 years, you're probably better off taking a higher rate w/ 0 points. again, do the calculation on how many years you'll break even where that loan starts to become favorable over others. remember, a 3.5% loan doesnt necessarily mean its better than a 4% loan.....just depends on your situation and the terms of the loan

1 point = 1% of your mortgage loan=.25% of interest rate deduction. example: $400k loan to buy down .5% of rate equates to 2 points = $8k of added loan cost.

[ 2014-10-29, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: venomous99 ]
 
Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :
 
I'm just in here soaking up info.... [dance]
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by losbadgts:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
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Originally posted by losbadgts:
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Originally posted by venomous99:
to the original poster, i suggest you do a lot of reading on the pitfalls of home loans and understand very clearly the pros and cons going with the various types. it sounds like you're quite a ways from getting there.
make a sound and analytic decision on which type of loan works for you since one plan that works for someone else may not necessarily work for you.
some things to consider:
-do not drain your bank account to make up the 20%. its more important to make sure you have enough reserves in your bank account to survive 6 months in case of an emergency(i.e lost job, injuries, etc).
-pmi is not the end of the world if you choose to go conventional with less than 20% down or FHA. some FHA loans require 10 years of payment before the pmi is lifted even if on paper your projected equity is higher than 20% or whatever the threshold is. a refi will generally take care of this.
-when presented with a nice rate, look at what the closing costs are especially points to buy down a rate(i.e ask the agent what the APR is and how that compares to rate as that will give you an idea of the cost to acquire the loan). if your short term goal is to eventually refi, dont pay down the interest rate if there are points involved or if you do, find out what the break even point is in terms of years vs other loans and find out what suites you best. ppl often make the mistake of paying exorbitant closing costs to acquire a more attractive lower rate without even realizing the cost and then end up refi'ing in a few years. thats wasted money.

keep in mind, closing costs for a home about 500k or more will run you around $10k but many times will be rolled into your principle if you cant fund it. if you're truly trying to reach 20%, factor in that $10k or whatever it is.

go on trulia and talk to several loan officers to get more information. believe me, the avg joe home buyer doesnt know jack shiet about this stuff even if theyve bought a few homes or have gone through the process.
i probably learned the most by picking the brain of a loan broker i trusted and who eventually did 3 home loans for me. then again, the math and finance didnt scare me at all since its all stuff i understood.

thanks man I really appreciated. Yea I been talking to a few people already and trying to figured whats best for me. The reason I asked about FHA its because I didn't know much about it and reading or asking loan officers is not the same as asking people that have gone through it. I have the 20% and closing cost but who wouldn't want to keep more money on there saving for protection. So far the rate im getting is 4.25% with 20 percent down.
whats the APR? dont confuse rate w/ APR. they are different in most cases especially if points are paid upfront. remember just cuz someone is offering you 2.5% that doesnt necessarily mean its better than 4%. it depends on your goals w/ the loan and your situation.
huh now thata something I didn't know. Glad have u guys to help me with this. I will double check on the apr. This whole time I been more worried about looking for the right home for my fam. I though I had everything ready with my credit being great good down payment and all but there is a lot to look into. So thanks so much on all this info. One thing for sure though I dont jump into anytype of deals until I really feel good about it.
the APR helps u compare loans vs just rate since there are other cost variables you need to factor in like points(if applicable) that get tacked onto your closing cost. a buddy of mine got a killer rate of 2.5% 2 years ago but when i looked more into his deal, he didnt realize the APR was like 4% since he was paying like 6 points or something like that.
the rate sounds good and all only if you decide to go long term but if you're like many that choose to refi in less than 5 years, you're probably better off taking a higher rate w/ 0 points. again, do the calculation on how many years you'll break even where that loan starts to become favorable over others. remember, a 3.5% loan doesnt necessarily mean its better than a 4% loan.....just depends on your situation and the terms of the loan

1 point = 1% of your mortgage loan=.25% of interest rate deduction. example: $400k loan to buy down .5% of rate equates to 2 points = $8k of added loan cost.

Cool thanks for all this info. I feel much better now making the right decision.
 
Posted by SSF_5.0_WARRIOR (Member # 10170) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by NEIGHT:
I'm just in here soaking up info.... [dance]

Me too!! [patriot]
 
Posted by stanger00 (Member # 13818) on :
 
I bought a house earlier this year when rates were starting to creep back up and have since crawled back down.

Anyway, I bought a home with my GF at the time, we are engaged now, and we went with a conventional loan. We got a fixed APR and only put 5% down plus closing and our PMI is based off of our credit score which was really the only shitty part of the process. We had a very good broker to help walk us through our options with going with a FHA loan or a conventional loan. For us, after discussing, we decided to go conventional.

Yeah, we pay PMI but we will be able to refinance out if our home climbs up in value at no cost. At this rate I don't see us getting out of our PMI until we sell our home for another. We only plan on living here for the next 5ish years. I'm a veteran so the next home we will use a VA backed home loan. Couldn't use it on this home because we are not married.

If I had the money we would of put 20% down but we didn't.

[ 2014-10-30, 11:19 AM: Message edited by: stanger00 ]
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stanger00:
I bought a house earlier this year when rates were starting to creep back up and have since crawled back down.

Anyway, I bought a home with my GF at the time, we are engaged now, and we went with a conventional loan. We got a fixed APR and only put 5% down plus closing and our PMI is based off of our credit score which was really the only shitty part of the process. We had a very good broker to help walk us through our options with going with a FHA loan or a conventional loan. For us, after discussing, we decided to go conventional.

Yeah, we pay PMI but we will be able to refinance out if our home climbs up in value at no cost. At this rate I don't see us getting out of our PMI until we sell our home for another. We only plan on living here for the next 5ish years. I'm a veteran so the next home we will use a VA backed home loan. Couldn't use it on this home because we are not married.

If I had the money we would of put 20% down but we didn't.

You won't even have to refi, just when you see values up call the bank and get an appraisal. Maybe 3-400 bucks and off the PMI goes.
 
Posted by stanger00 (Member # 13818) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
quote:
Originally posted by stanger00:
I bought a house earlier this year when rates were starting to creep back up and have since crawled back down.

Anyway, I bought a home with my GF at the time, we are engaged now, and we went with a conventional loan. We got a fixed APR and only put 5% down plus closing and our PMI is based off of our credit score which was really the only shitty part of the process. We had a very good broker to help walk us through our options with going with a FHA loan or a conventional loan. For us, after discussing, we decided to go conventional.

Yeah, we pay PMI but we will be able to refinance out if our home climbs up in value at no cost. At this rate I don't see us getting out of our PMI until we sell our home for another. We only plan on living here for the next 5ish years. I'm a veteran so the next home we will use a VA backed home loan. Couldn't use it on this home because we are not married.

If I had the money we would of put 20% down but we didn't.

You won't even have to refi, just when you see values up call the bank and get an appraisal. Maybe 3-400 bucks and off the PMI goes.
If the house ever makes it to 20% equity in the next 5ish years. We will for sure be calling up the bank to have it dropped.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
some additional info taken from page: http://www.goodmortgage.com/Learn/Basics/How_To_Remove_PMI.html

FHA loans are not required to drop PMI under the same rules as conforming loans - if you have an FHA loan - expect to keep paying PMI for at least 5 years AND until your LTV is less than 78%. Refinancing may be the best option for you.

so many that have bought within the past 3 years are seeing some crazy gains and likely have met the 20% equity by now. that said, if you're paying pmi it may not be a straight forward process to have the pmi removed within the guidelines of your FHA loan unless you refi. there are exceptions to the rule im sure and itll all depend on how flexible your lender is.

i wouldnt get so hung up on PMI. if you dont have the 20% why even debate it. go w/ the FHA and worry about refi'ing much later on when you meet the requirements.
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
Go with conventional 5% down.

FHA is stupid as fuck unless its the only thing you can do.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-an-fha-loan-still-a-good-idea/

Or buy in Elk Grove with 20% down from the city and 3% down from you.

[ 2014-10-30, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: 135.0 ]
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
Go with conventional 5% down.

FHA is stupid as fuck unless its the only thing you can do.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-an-fha-loan-still-a-good-idea/

Or buy in Elk Grove with 20% down from the city and 3% down from you.

thats a loan(not free money) from city and is there to help first time home buyers and eiligibility is limited to those making less money(max gross income of $80k for 8 ppl in a household...wow). its a pretty damn nice deal since the interest is low especially for those w/out enough for a down.
http://www.egplanning.org/housing/pdf/homebuyer-assistance-program-summary.pdf

there are some other programs(i.e BMR = below market rate) in other cities to help first time home buyers w/ lower income as well if you qualify.
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
Go with conventional 5% down.

FHA is stupid as fuck unless its the only thing you can do.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-an-fha-loan-still-a-good-idea/

Or buy in Elk Grove with 20% down from the city and 3% down from you.

thats a loan(not free money) from city and is there to help first time home buyers and eiligibility is limited to those making less money(max gross income of $80k for 8 ppl in a household...wow). its a pretty damn nice deal since the interest is low especially for those w/out enough for a down.
http://www.egplanning.org/housing/pdf/homebuyer-assistance-program-summary.pdf

there are some other programs(i.e BMR = below market rate) in other cities to help first time home buyers w/ lower income as well if you qualify.

Yes the city is a deferred payment loan which means you don't make any payments on it until you pay off your original 30 year mortgage. The trick is to make less than their max income and still qualify for the house.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
Go with conventional 5% down.

FHA is stupid as fuck unless its the only thing you can do.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-an-fha-loan-still-a-good-idea/

Or buy in Elk Grove with 20% down from the city and 3% down from you.

thats a loan(not free money) from city and is there to help first time home buyers and eiligibility is limited to those making less money(max gross income of $80k for 8 ppl in a household...wow). its a pretty damn nice deal since the interest is low especially for those w/out enough for a down.
http://www.egplanning.org/housing/pdf/homebuyer-assistance-program-summary.pdf

there are some other programs(i.e BMR = below market rate) in other cities to help first time home buyers w/ lower income as well if you qualify.

Yes the city is a deferred payment loan which means you don't make any payments on it until you pay off your original 30 year mortgage. The trick is to make less than their max income and still qualify for the house.
the program was created to help lower income families on buying a house. its perfect for ppl trying to scam the system. LOL
 
Posted by 135.0 (Member # 4992) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by 135.0:
Go with conventional 5% down.

FHA is stupid as fuck unless its the only thing you can do.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-an-fha-loan-still-a-good-idea/

Or buy in Elk Grove with 20% down from the city and 3% down from you.

thats a loan(not free money) from city and is there to help first time home buyers and eiligibility is limited to those making less money(max gross income of $80k for 8 ppl in a household...wow). its a pretty damn nice deal since the interest is low especially for those w/out enough for a down.
http://www.egplanning.org/housing/pdf/homebuyer-assistance-program-summary.pdf

there are some other programs(i.e BMR = below market rate) in other cities to help first time home buyers w/ lower income as well if you qualify.

Yes the city is a deferred payment loan which means you don't make any payments on it until you pay off your original 30 year mortgage. The trick is to make less than their max income and still qualify for the house.
the program was created to help lower income families on buying a house. its perfect for ppl trying to scam the system. LOL
They're pretty thorough though, they ask for all the income from the entire household. So they will ask all the adults for tax returns and bank statements to see if anybody's getting money on the side. Its tough to qualify but for people who deserve the help, its a good deal. Losers who mooch off the system usually don't end up getting help like this, you gotta have good credit etc.
 
Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
Well after reading and asking and u guys helping. Im going with the original plan my broker did with conventional loan since I got down and good credit. Thanks guys. Now time to looks at homes
 




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