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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
I got this email from Calguns!
This is some BULLSHIT!


Sen. Yee seeks to ban all Bullet Button/maglocked firearms!
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For Immediate Release: August 7, 2012 

SENATOR YEE AMENDS SB 249 INTO A MASSIVE, UNCONSTITUTIONAL GUN BAN
 
CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY GENERAL KAMALA HARRIS ENDORSES SB 249 REQUIREMENT TO USE DETACHABLE MAGAZINE FIREARMS
 
Reference: SB 249 Fact Sheet at http://stopsb249.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sb249_fact_sheet1.pdf
 
SAN CARLOS, CA, AND MADERA, CA – In an egregious and deliberate move to ban hundreds of thousands of legal firearms and harm law-abiding California gun owners, California Senator Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) has amended his bill SB 249 to make possession of all Bullet Button, or “maglocked”, firearms a criminal act as of July 1, 2013.  Sen. Yee’s chief-of-staff, Adam Keigwin, has said that California should ban all guns, even bolt-action hunting rifles.
 
Joining Senator Yee in his effort to take away hundreds of millions of dollars of currently-legal guns are co-authors Senate President pro Tem Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento), Senator Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles), Senator Loni Hancock (D-Berkeley), Senator Ted Lieu (D-Torrence), Assemblyman Anthony Portantino (D-La Cañada Flintridge), and Assemblyman Mike Feuer (D-Los Angeles).
 
Explaining his support for the gun ban, Senator Steinberg told the Sacramento Bee that “no one will convince me it's anything other than a joke to say that having multiple clips and semi-automatic weapons that can shoot 100 or more bullets at a time is necessary in this state or in this country. It’s ridiculous."
 
Also on record as supporting SB 249, the Los Angeles Times reports Attorney General Kamala Harris as saying, “I applaud the Legislature's interest in addressing this problem and support efforts to pass legislation needed to" [ban Bullet Button firearms].
 
SB 249, if it were to become law, would categorically ban all “maglocked” semi-automatic firearms that are in common use, such as those which use the Bullet Button device.  SB 249 does not provide for any grandfathering of existing firearms nor does it have a method of compensating gun owners for the firearms the proposed law would require to be destroyed or removed from California.  The net effect would be what is perhaps the single largest unconstitutional government taking in California history.
 
More, SB 249 would subject gun owners to criminal liability as of July 1, 2013, for the mere possession of firearms that Senator Yee and Attorney General Harris have both said are legal under current law.  Ex post facto laws, such as SB 249 would create if passed, are expressly unconstitutional.
 
Interestingly, however, SB 249 would create a de facto requirement that gun owners , hunters, and competitors in California use only “featureless” firearms, such as AR and AK-style guns employing compliance parts like the Solar Tactical KYDEX Grip Wraps, MonsterMan Grips, or Exile Machine’s Hammerhead Grip, which not only allow for the lawful use of factory magazine releases but large-capacity magazines as well.  California does not ban the possession of large-capacity magazines.  Wes Morris, owner of Ten Percent Firearms, demonstrates this is an excellent YouTube video you can view at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhC8LpHPbRQ.
 
Senator Yee’s bill is currently before the Assembly Appropriations Committee and is expected to be heard on August 15, though it could be heard as soon as August 8.  The bill must pass both the Assembly and the Senate by August 31.
 
The Calguns Foundation and Cal-FFL, through their pathbreaking grassroots initiative platform StopSB249.org, have created many free, easy-to-use tools for you to help combat this massive gun ban.  Please forward this message to your friends, family, favorite gun dealers and manufacturers, and your social networks, like Facebook and Twitter.  Working together, we can Stop SB 249 - but we need you to TAKE ACTION NOW!
 
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Posted by 5.0_707 (Member # 5893) on :
 
Just got that same email... This is some BULL ASS SHIT!

[ August 08, 2012, 02:16 AM: Message edited by: 5.0_707 ]
 

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Posted by 2T0NE (Member # 4216) on :
 
GOT THE SAME EMAIL ,FUCK THAT MOTHERFUCKER AND ALL THESE MOTHERFUCKERS TRYING TO TAKE OUR RIGHT TO BARE ARMS

[ August 08, 2012, 03:23 AM: Message edited by: 2T0NE ]
 

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Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
Fuck that SB24Shit!
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
So basically I'm gonna be a criminal if this gets passed?
I'm so fucking sick and tired of this state.
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
I think if it does pass its going to end up being overruled in the supreme court. I don't see how this would be constitutional in any way shape or form.

They are trying to tell us to give up are expensive rifles to be destroyed. On top of that they aren't even gonna give us any money for them?
Fuck this state and if you come to my house looking for an AR I have registered in CA I'm gonna tell you it was stolen. They can TRY and search my house all they want, but aren't gonna find anything illegal in my home.
Fuck this state a fuck this senator who's frying to take our rifles.
 

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Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :
 
What I don't get about these dumb fucks who are trying to ban these laws is that banning them will NOT stop illegal guns floating around EVERYWHERE.
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 

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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
What I don't get about these dumb fucks who are trying to ban these laws is that banning them will NOT stop illegal guns floating around EVERYWHERE.

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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
What I don't get about these dumb fucks who are trying to ban these laws is that banning them will NOT stop illegal guns floating around EVERYWHERE.

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Exactly!
 

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Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :
 

 

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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
The way i read it anyone with a rifle that takes a Magazine will have an illegal weapon. So my M1A Scout will be illegal.
 

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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by Slowback67:
I think if it does pass its going to end up being overruled in the supreme court. I don't see how this would be constitutional in any way shape or form.

They are trying to tell us to give up are expensive rifles to be destroyed. On top of that they aren't even gonna give us any money for them?
Fuck this state and if you come to my house looking for an AR I have registered in CA I'm gonna tell you it was stolen. They can TRY and search my house all they want, but aren't gonna find anything illegal in my home.
Fuck this state a fuck this senator who's frying to take our rifles.

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Originally posted by John91coupe:
Two words I've been saying for many years.....BUY AMMO!

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+1
THIS bill willnever pass
these idoits really think banning guns or making these guns illegal is really gonna stop some crazyed retard from killing people?

hope they dont try and ban my crossbow
 

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Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :
 
These fucks are retarded. They are constantly talking about crimes rates increasing...well this is just another form of illegal activity criminals will engage in. Plus, if banned the underground market will grow=more crime. Like Neight said, it wont stop the flow of illegal guns coming in, I think it will fuel the desire to bring more.


I really want to know how these fucks think, were they sheltered their whole life and never got beat up or what.
 

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Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on :
 

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Originally posted by 66_5.0:
These fucks are retarded. They are constantly talking about crimes rates increasing...well this is just another form of illegal activity criminals will engage in. Plus, if banned the underground market will grow=more crime. Like Neight said, it wont stop the flow of illegal guns coming in, I think it will fuel the desire to bring more.


I really want to know how these fucks think, were they sheltered their whole life and never got beat up or what.

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
The 2nd amendment:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Where in the 2nd amendment deos it say that you can have a detachible high capacity magazine?

Where in the 2nd amendment deos it say that you have the right to own a grenade launcher, a tank, a machine gun or a bazooka?

The point is that that even though under the constitution we can own a fire arm, there are limits as to what type of fire arms we can own.

In the wake of the tragic mass shootings as in Arizona where a gunman with a high capacity fire arm killed several people and critically injured scores more, including a Congress woman; would that Arizona gunman have been able to kill and injure
So many people with out a 20+ round capacity fire arm? No.

It is time to take a serious look at our gun laws that in many states are to lax.

By the way, the term " regulated" is in the second amendment and with americans getting sick and tierd of these slime ball right wing gun nuts committing mass kilings,one can only hoe that more gun regulation is comming.

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
The 2nd amendment:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Where in the 2nd amendment deos it say that you can have a detachible high capacity magazine?

Where in the 2nd amendment deos it say that you have the right to own a grenade launcher, a tank, a machine gun or a bazooka?

The point is that that even though under the constitution we can own a fire arm, there are limits as to what type of fire arms we can own.

In the wake of the tragic mass shootings as in Arizona where a gunman with a high capacity fire arm killed several people and critically injured scores more, including a Congress woman; would that Arizona gunman have been able to kill and injure
So many people with out a 20+ round capacity fire arm? No.

It is time to take a serious look at our gun laws that in many states are to lax.

By the way, the term " regulated" is in the second amendment and with americans getting sick and tierd of these slime ball right wing gun nuts committing mass kilings,one can only hope that more gun regulation is comming.

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Not you again Liberals can suck my nuts. You best hope you never find yourself in a situation where you'll need a gun. If they ban guns crime is going to sky rocket, home invasions, car jackings, rapes, robberies will all go through the roof. It's not going to stop a criminal from owning a gun because they do ILLEGAL shit and only care about themselves, not the person their robbing.

Anyhow I'll never give up any of my guns, EVER. I like the fact that I can protect my property and family, not lie down like a bitch and let a criminal do whatever they want.

[ August 08, 2012, 02:41 PM: Message edited by: Greasy ]
 

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Posted by sinisterblk (Member # 8425) on :
 
Shit you guys posted so quick my look above arrow is 2 posts off
^ that is a very myopic view point. There are many guns outlawed already and mostl law abiding citizens do not posses them ( I could care less if they did.), but you can be sure as shit criminals got their hands on them. Regulation is always fucked; drugs, guns, taxes there will always been people that will not conform, and most of the time I think good for them. So, if it passed Wildfire, slowback either become criminals or conform ( which is bullshit), and you can be sure as shit everyone criminal or not with an unregistered firearm that fits the bill isn't going to voluntarily hand them over.

[ August 08, 2012, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: sinisterblk ]
 

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Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :
 
LMAO at Nissan Queef!! Anybody got any ARs forsale?? Will gladly take them off your hands when this passes fellas!! Ill bare enuff arms for the entire cafords family!!
 

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Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
LMAO at Nissan Queef!! Anybody got any ARs forsale?? Will gladly take them off your hands when this passes fellas!! Ill bare enuff arms for the entire cafords family!!

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
The 2nd amendment:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Where in the 2nd amendment deos it say that you can have a detachible high capacity magazine?

Where in the 2nd amendment deos it say that you have the right to own a grenade launcher, a tank, a machine gun or a bazooka?

The point is that that even though under the constitution we can own a fire arm, there are limits as to what type of fire arms we can own.

In the wake of the tragic mass shootings as in Arizona where a gunman with a high capacity fire arm killed several people and critically injured scores more, including a Congress woman; would that Arizona gunman have been able to kill and injure
So many people with out a 20+ round capacity fire arm? No.

It is time to take a serious look at our gun laws that in many states are to lax.

By the way, the term " regulated" is in the second amendment and with americans getting sick and tierd of these slime ball right wing gun nuts committing mass kilings,one can only hope that more gun regulation is comming.

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
The 2nd amendment:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Where in the 2nd amendment deos it say that you can have a detachible high capacity magazine?

Where in the 2nd amendment deos it say that you have the right to own a grenade launcher, a tank, a machine gun or a bazooka?

The point is that that even though under the constitution we can own a fire arm, there are limits as to what type of fire arms we can own.

In the wake of the tragic mass shootings as in Arizona where a gunman with a high capacity fire arm killed several people and critically injured scores more, including a Congress woman; would that Arizona gunman have been able to kill and injure
So many people with out a 20+ round capacity fire arm? No.

It is time to take a serious look at our gun laws that in many states are to lax.

By the way, the term " regulated" is in the second amendment and with americans getting sick and tierd of these slime ball right wing gun nuts committing mass kilings,one can only hope that more gun regulation is comming.

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
A militia deos not simply mean the people; a militia refers to a well regulated army.


"This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by congress."

By the way, i am not talking about banning guns, all I am saying is that the time has come to regulate fire arms even more.

it is madness that Republicans want to regulate porn and abortions, but not guns.

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Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
We should regulate the crazy assholes who buy them, not the guns.
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on :
 
You are incorrect slowback67, the Arizona shooter was regesterd as an independent and hated the government.
 

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Posted by DIRTY SALLY (Member # 7845) on :
 
wasent there some crazy muslim black guy and his son shooting random people with a sniper rifle a few years back?
 

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Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :
 

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Originally posted by DIRTY SALLY:
wasent there some crazy muslim black guy and his son shooting random people with a sniper rifle a few years back?

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Originally posted by Greasy:
We should regulate the crazy assholes who buy them, not the guns.

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by Greasy:
We should regulate the crazy assholes who buy them, not the guns.

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Extensive back ground checks and waiting periods would address your first point, however, Americans should not be able to buy what ever weapon they want. There has to be a limit.

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by Greasy:
We should regulate the crazy assholes who buy them, not the guns.

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Extensive back ground checks and waiting periods would address your first point, however, Americans should not be able to buy what ever weapon they want. There has to be a limit.

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COM,ON JANET! americans should not be able to buy what ever weapon they want
if i want it ill buy it you can keep your baby 22 pal
 

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Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
You are incorrect slowback67, the Arizona shooter was regesterd as an independent and hated the government.

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Your right..... He wasn't a democrat & he wasn't a right winger Republican either. I just wanted you to know how it feels having someone like that guy grouped into YOUR political party for a change.
They tried everything they could in the news to make people think that he was a tea party member. Hell they even tried to tie the shooter to Sarah Pallin LOL.
 

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Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :
 
WHAT GUNS? i have no such thing...
 

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Posted by 2T0NE (Member # 4216) on :
 

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Originally posted by John91coupe:
Two words I've been saying for many years.....BUY AMMO!

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

quote:

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Originally posted by Greasy:
We should regulate the crazy assholes who buy them, not the guns.

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Extensive back ground checks and waiting periods would address your first point, however, Americans should not be able to buy what ever weapon they want. There has to be a limit.

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
A militia deos not simply mean the people; a militia refers to a well regulated army.


"This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by congress."

By the way, i am not talking about banning guns, all I am saying is that the time has come to regulate fire arms even more.

it is madness that Republicans want to regulate porn and abortions, but not guns.

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Originally posted by DIRTY SALLY:

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Originally posted by John91coupe:
Two words I've been saying for many years.....BUY AMMO!

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+1
THIS bill willnever pass
these idoits really think banning guns or making these guns illegal is really gonna stop some crazyed retard from killing people?

hope they dont try and ban my crossbow

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Originally posted by wilit:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by Greasy:
We should regulate the crazy assholes who buy them, not the guns.

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Extensive back ground checks and waiting periods would address your first point, however, Americans should not be able to buy what ever weapon they want. There has to be a limit.

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You do know that the Federal AWB did not ban anything other than the new manufacture of assault weapons with certain features and hi-cap mags. Anything manufactured prior to the ban was still able to be bought and sold like any other gun. Also, manufacturers were still able to make and sell the same functional firearms such as AKs and ARs, but just without "evil features" like a barrel shroud or a bayonet lug. Essentially the ban banned nothing. The Government cannot simply ban possession of legally purchased items and simply come confiscate them. We still have the 5th and 14th Amendments.

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Originally posted by Wildfire532FB:

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Originally posted by wilit:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by Greasy:
We should regulate the crazy assholes who buy them, not the guns.

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Extensive back ground checks and waiting periods would address your first point, however, Americans should not be able to buy what ever weapon they want. There has to be a limit.

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You do know that the Federal AWB did not ban anything other than the new manufacture of assault weapons with certain features and hi-cap mags. Anything manufactured prior to the ban was still able to be bought and sold like any other gun. Also, manufacturers were still able to make and sell the same functional firearms such as AKs and ARs, but just without "evil features" like a barrel shroud or a bayonet lug. Essentially the ban banned nothing. The Government cannot simply ban possession of legally purchased items and simply come confiscate them. We still have the 5th and 14th Amendments.

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I thought the Federal ban just grandfather in pre-ban weapons meaning you couldn't ever sell your gun and when you die you can't give it away in your will it has to be destroyed, or is that only in CA?

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
Americans are getting tired of all these mass shootings and all of you gun blasting right wing lunatics better get used to tougher gun laws, because they are coming.

As it is now, our nation's gun laws are too loose and lax. At minimum, super extensive back ground checks and gun registration need to be in place. Did you know that Americans on the terrorist have still been able to buy guns? That is just crazy.

I laugh at the paranoid gun nuts that think tougher gun laws will take away their freedom and librety away from them.

So let me ask you this, you gun blasting FOX news watching fools, if the government deos something you don't like, are you going to take care of it with your gun?

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This is Janet aka cobraracer the liberal wearing his faggish bicycling shirt showing off his gun.



[ August 10, 2012, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: ECOboostin ]
 

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Posted by wilit (Member # 3367) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
Americans are getting tired of all these mass shootings and all of you gun blasting right wing lunatics better get used to tougher gun laws, because they are coming.

As it is now, our nation's gun laws are too loose and lax. At minimum, super extensive back ground checks and gun registration need to be in place. Did you know that Americans on the terrorist have still been able to buy guns? That is just crazy.

I laugh at the paranoid gun nuts that think tougher gun laws will take away their freedom and librety away from them.

So let me ask you this, you gun blasting FOX news watching fools, if the government deos something you don't like, are you going to take care of it with your gun?

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With Cho (Virginia Tech), Loughner (arizona), and Holmes (colorado), all three showed mental issues that would have prevented them from purchasing a firearm. Those laws have been in place for a long time. The problem is not enough laws, but a failure of the system. Cho's medical history was never loaded into the system that the NiCS background system checks. Had it been, he would have been denied the purchase. Loughner and Holmes both had visible problems that apparently lots of people knew about but failed to act.

Also, California already has mandatory registration for all assault weapons and handguns purchases after 2000. Starting in 2013 (I think) all new purchases of rifles and shotguns will be registered. I would really like to know though, how you figure registration would prevent a tragedy like the three I mentioned when the system itself is at fault for failing to prevent the firearm from being purchased?

Also, I admire your willingness to prevent guns from falling into the hands of criminals. You should write to your Congressmen and Senators and tell them you want justice for all of the Assault Weapons our government KNOWINGLY sold to Mexican cartels with zero oversight in Operation Fast and Furious.
 

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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 


[ August 10, 2012, 11:43 PM: Message edited by: Wildfire532FB ]
 

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Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :
 

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Originally posted by wilit:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by cobraracer46:
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Also, I admire your willingness to prevent guns from falling into the hands of criminals. You should write to your Congressmen and Senators and tell them you want justice for all of the Assault Weapons our government KNOWINGLY sold to Mexican cartels with zero oversight in Operation Fast and Furious.

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

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Originally posted by Greasy:
We should regulate the crazy assholes who buy them, not the guns.

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Extensive back ground checks and waiting periods would address your first point, however, Americans should not be able to buy what ever weapon they want. There has to be a limit.

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You sound like one of those liberal Queers from San Fransisco, oh wait..., I just noticed where your from, makes sense now.. You Fudge Packing Faget !!!
 

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Posted by phonso302 (Member # 9260) on :
 
Shit like this doesnt surprise me, what suprises me is how this queer keeps getting voted in. I Would bet anything that this fag has a ccw and carries everywhere he goes.
 

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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
Lol just like the Senator who is against people owning guns has spoken out numerous times saying guns shouldnt be legal for anyone and is big into the Brady campaign and not that long ago shot an intruder that was in his house. Fucking hypocrite.
 

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Posted by Wildfire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
A militia deos not simply mean the people; a militia refers to a well regulated army.


"This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by congress."

By the way, i am not talking about banning guns, all I am saying is that the time has come to regulate fire arms even more.

it is madness that Republicans want to regulate porn and abortions, but not guns.

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Originally posted by Slowback67:

Fuck this state and if you come to my house looking for an AR I have registered in CA I'm gonna tell you it was stolen.

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Originally posted by DIRTY SALLY:

THIS bill willnever pass

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:


Where in the 2nd amendment deos it say that you can have a detachible high capacity magazine?

Where in the 2nd amendment deos it say that you have the right to own a grenade launcher, a tank, a machine gun or a bazooka?

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

The point is that that even though under the constitution we can own a fire arm, there are limits as to what type of fire arms we can own.

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correct, THATS ALREADY LAW, we dont need more...we need to enforce WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE

heres a little clue for you

1) murder is illegal

what makes you think that someone who is going to commit a felony, and a mortal sin....will turn in their guns because now...they will breaking just one more law and well...that might stop them


im sorry....but if your gonna go there...you need to ban baseball bats, knives, etc

2 days ago son...... 2 victims

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/10/4713294/police-kill-man-charging-with.html

oh...didnt some guy drive over a bunch of kids too ????

why didnt they do a background check on him before selling him a car, and make him go through a 5 day waiting period??

THATS BULL SHIT !!! those crimes could be prevented

cali is a pretty agricultural rich state isnt it ?

i also vote to outlaw fertilizer and diesel fuel, and rental trucks

since you know.....that IS what blew up the mcnamara building

oh yeah...and cameras, it should be illegal to smoke in your house, cuz although you have some rights to a free society , no one gives you the right to murder your children by cancer and/or by introducing carcinogens to their bodies

oh wait...why stop there

fast food and sugar should be illegal too

since well.....more people die of heart disease from obesity than by gunfire

think about what you say before you sound like a complete idiot




[ August 12, 2012, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: nitrous_bob ]
 

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Posted by nitrous_bob (Member # 77) on :
 

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:


By the way, i am not talking about banning guns, all I am saying is that the time has come to regulate fire arms even more.

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:

it is madness that Republicans want to regulate porn and abortions, but not guns.

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so your saying guns arent regulated ?

pay close attention to section 11, im SURE youve never seen a form 4473 before...so take your time, and read it all

remember there is a FBI background check called in AFTER these questions are answered

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf


EXACTLY WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT !!!!!!!!!

someone with a medicinal card cant even buy a gun

look at #11E

although marijuana is legal under some states...this is a FEDERAL form

so anybody with a medicinal card is an "unlawful user"

and technically that same person is NOT allowed in the same house with a gun owner

is the type of regulation you seek to GROW YET EVEN MORE ?????
 

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Posted by nitrous_bob (Member # 77) on :
 
heres #6


 

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Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :
 
Excellent points Bob.
 

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Posted by wilit (Member # 3367) on :
 
Worse than some dummy with an AR shooting up a movie theater and kills 12 people, our government sells countless assault weapons to organized crime and kills thousands. This is what you should be up in arms about cobraracer46. This is where the change needs to occur. Why is it that the government refuses to release these documents?

http://news.yahoo.com/house-republican-says-holder-lawsuit-filed-monday-132915237.html?_esi=1

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House sues Holder in Fast and Furious gunwalking case

A House committee filed suit against Attorney General Eric Holder Monday in federal court. The suit attempts to force Holder to turn over key documents relating to the Justice Department's Fast and Furious gunwalking program during the Bush and Obama administrations, when as many as 1,000 guns ended up in the hands of Mexican cartels in a botched attempt to capture higher-ups in the organizations.

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Originally posted by 50Reasons:
Looks like it got shot down for the 16th Thursday so no more talks about the ban for 2012!!!!!! Hell yea!!!

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Originally posted by 50Reasons:
Looks like it got shot down for the 16th Thursday so no more talks about the ban for 2012!!!!!! Hell yea!!!

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Link?

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Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on :
 
Do not celebrate yet guys keep calling, emailing, faxing etc. Let them know we dont want any infrigements on our civil rights, or any rights given to us by our fore fathers!
 

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Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :
 
got this in an email from the Calguns foundation this morning:

SB 249 MAY BE D.O.A.; STOP SB 249 CAMPAIGN URGES CONTINUED OPPOSITION PRESSURE

Cal-FFL, Calguns Foundation opposition letters cited in official Committee analysis that may be the final straw in breaking SB 249

For Immediate Release: August 14, 2012

Reference: Assembly Appropriations Committee Analysis at http://stopsb249.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sb249_approps_analysis.pdf

SAN CARLOS, CA, AND MADERA, CA – In spite of bill author Senator Leland Yee’s many assurances to the contrary, even the Assembly Appropriations Committee legislative analysis found that the SB 249 gun ban presents California taxpayers with significant cost impacts.

The analysis determined that, among other major costs, SB 249 would impose “[o]ne-time special fund (Dealer Record of Sale Fund- DROS) costs, likely in excess of $200,000 (the AG's office estimates about $400,000), for the AG to conform existing regulations regarding the definition of assault weapon to the definition of detachable magazine proposed by this bill.”

Implicit in the Committee’s analysis is that SB 249 is a material legislative change to the Penal Code, which would require new DOJ regulations. Senator Yee and his staff have spent considerable time representing SB 249 to be a “clarification of existing law.” We now have further evidence in the Legislative record supporting our argument that SB 249 would harm California gun owners by creating an entirely new standard for “detachable magazine” firearms.

Up-to-the-minute information acquired by Cal-FFL lobbyist Matt Gray of Capital Alliance and Cal-FFL president Brandon Combs suggests that, while SB 249 may not succeed in passing the Appropriations Committee due to the substantial costs issues, it is premature to consider the bill a non-threat to gun rights.

“SB 249 has been proven to be an outrageous attack on hundreds of millions of dollars of legal private property and law-abiding gun owners. We’re encouraged that the Appropriation Committee’s analysis has affirmed our view that California simply cannot afford Senator Yee’s misguided bill,” said Combs. “We urge all of our members and supporters to continue vigorously opposing SB 249 by calling the members of the Appropriations Committee and using the Take Action tools at our StopSB249.org campaign website.”

The STOP SB 249 Take Action page is located at at http://stopsb249.org/takeaction.

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The Calguns Foundation (www.calgunsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization which serves its members by providing Second Amendment-related education, strategic litigation, and the defense of innocent California gun owners from improper or malicious prosecution. The Calguns Foundation seeks to inform government and protect the rights of individuals to acquire, own, and lawfully use firearms in California.

California Association of Federal Firearms Licensees (www.calffl.org) is California's premier non-profit industry association of, by, and for firearms manufacturers, dealers, collectors, training professionals, shooting ranges, and others, advancing the interests of its members and the general public through strategic litigation, legislative efforts, and education. For more information or to join Cal-FFL, please visit calffl.org.



LATEST STOP SB 249 HEADLINES & UPDATES

Chris Cheng, History Channel's Top Shot season 4 champ and a truly awesome person, joined Stop SB 249 and called for people to oppose SB 249.

Cal-FFL is now accepting donations through Fundrazr and PayPal. FFLs and pro-gun businesses can join Cal-FFL online at http://calffl.org/join or contact Director of Development Jeff Silvester at jsilvester@calffl.org.

Calguns Foundation chairman Gene Hoffman debated Sen. Leland Yee on Capital Public Radio. It wasn't much of a debate - Mr. Hoffman clearly walked away from the experience with the title belt.

Cal-FFL and Calguns Foundation both submitted letters of opposition to the Appropriations Committee that were cited in the official Committee analysis.

Did the pathbreaking CGF / Cal-FFL STOP SB 249 campaign & StopSB249.org platform force Senator Yee to abandon his failed "conversion kit" ban and 'gut & amend' SB 249 (again) too late, killing SB 249 on rules?

North County Firearms (San Marcos) ran this hilarious ad in the paper to highlight the insanity of SB249.

Sacramento Black Rifle got in on the STOP SB 249 action big time by running a great radio spot on area FM stations.

Not to be outdone by Wes at Ten Percent Firearms, Jeff #2 at ["the infamous"] PRK Arms (Fresno) created another fantastic YouTube video on SB 249-compliant firearms, this time AK-47 platform guns.

We wonder how leg. staffers reacted to Ten Percent's ad for SB249guns.com in the Sacramento 'insider's daily news mag' Capitol Morning Report? (Look under 'Items for Sale'.)

We're still impressed by how many people have found out about Stop SB 249 and Sen. Yee's gun ban through circle track racer Chris Lambert's #50 Stop SB 249 car.
 

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Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on :
 
looks like it did boil down to compensation and I think they have grossly under estimated the value of compensation. They would have to re-imburst just myself for atleast 5 dros's and that doesnt include or not sure if that would include the "other things ive bought and sold as well. some friends and I put together some stuff to be mailied 50 letters left my house yesterday!

 

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Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :
 
they have been trying to ban the bullet button for some time now, it hasn't pass and I don't see it passing! Either way FU CA, I’m keeping my AR, it also has a 30 round mag on it! Wait I live in Reno, this is legal……
 

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Posted by RAP66 (Member # 3360) on :
 
SB249 is still kicking, it's on the schedule for tomorrow.
 

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