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Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Had a long argument with my friends about this. I'll take MJ any day no one will ever be as great as Jordan. Six rings being the leader and dominating on offense and defense. Jordan just had the relentless drive that made it seemed they would never lose. I know all you Kobe fans might say different but to me it's not even close. Kobe isn't even the best laker ever. An is far as lebron is concerned he disqualified himself by going to Miami an taking the easy way out.
Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on
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23 all the way!!
Posted by 2T0NE (Member # 4216) on
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jordan first and kobe second..why the fuck is lebron even in the discussion ????
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on
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Jordan!
Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on
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Whoa whoa WHOA! Dont bash Bron like that! But ill agree with u on the MJ thing, to a certain point... Out of the, Lebron is the greatest ATHLETE.. Yeah he choked, Several times but he hasent developed the killer instinct that MJ, Kobe, and even Dwade has.. But, as much as i hate Kobe he will be second..
1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.Lebron(only bcuz he hasent won any rings, which i truelly believe is gonna change this year)
Oh, dont say it doesnt count bcuz he teamed up with another star.. Mj had Pippen, rodman an co... Kobe had shaq, d fish, odom, artest,... All future hall of famers..
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Lebron is not even in the conversation.
Anyone who thinks so knows little about the game of basketball, about hard work, about accomplishments, and about basketball IQ.
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on
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Originally posted by blackfifty:
Had a long argument with my friends about this. I'll take MJ any day no one will ever be as great as Jordan. Six rings being the leader and dominating on offense and defense. Jordan just had the relentless drive that made it seemed they would never lose. I know all you Kobe fans might say different but to me it's not even close. Kobe isn't even the best laker ever. An is far as lebron is concerned he disqualified himself by going to Miami an taking the easy way out.
kobe is a greater player then magic....
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on
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quote:
Originally posted by hilltim54:
Whoa whoa WHOA! Dont bash Bron like that! But ill agree with u on the MJ thing, to a certain point... Out of the, Lebron is the greatest ATHLETE.. Yeah he choked, Several times but he hasent developed the killer instinct that MJ, Kobe, and even Dwade has.. But, as much as i hate Kobe he will be second..
1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.Lebron(only bcuz he hasent won any rings, which i truelly believe is gonna change this year)
Oh, dont say it doesnt count bcuz he teamed up with another star.. Mj had Pippen, rodman an co... Kobe had shaq, d fish, odom, artest,... All future hall of famers..
ron artest, derek fisher and lamar odom are not going to the hall of fame unless they buy a ticket! lol. those guys are not all time greats by any strech of the imagination...
Posted by 2T0NE (Member # 4216) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Lebron is not even in the conversation.
Anyone who thinks so knows little about the game of basketball, about hard work, about accomplishments, and about basketball IQ.
AMEN
Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on
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Lebron isn't even in the same discussion as Dwayne wade. Feel bad for the youngsters but Jordan was the real deal. Lebrons just not a winner, Jordan never backed down from shit.
Posted by stangin' (Member # 514) on
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1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.Wade ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on
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Originally posted by East Bay 50:
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Originally posted by hilltim54:
Whoa whoa WHOA! Dont bash Bron like that! But ill agree with u on the MJ thing, to a certain point... Out of the, Lebron is the greatest ATHLETE.. Yeah he choked, Several times but he hasent developed the killer instinct that MJ, Kobe, and even Dwade has.. But, as much as i hate Kobe he will be second..
1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.Lebron(only bcuz he hasent won any rings, which i truelly believe is gonna change this year)
Oh, dont say it doesnt count bcuz he teamed up with another star.. Mj had Pippen, rodman an co... Kobe had shaq, d fish, odom, artest,... All future hall of famers..
ron artest, derek fisher and lamar odom are not going to the hall of fame unless they buy a ticket! lol. those guys are not all time greats by any strech of the imagination...
Only Hof player was shaq, derek fuckin fisher??? Gasol maybe, maaaaaybe. But shaq couldn't win without Kobe. I think pippen was overrated, rodman was a basket case that nobody wanted at that point. It was always Jordan coming up big when he needed to. Took shit over from beginning to end. Never punked out like a bitch like lebron
Posted by adower (Member # 5955) on
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Give Kevin Durant a couple more years. He will be a monster!
I think it goes;
Jordan
Kobe
Durant
[ April 03, 2012, 01:33 AM: Message edited by: adower ]
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on
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Originally posted by adower:
Give Kevin Durant a couple more years. He will be a monster!
I think it goes;
Jordan
Kobe
Durant
durant is not even in the convo yet. he has not done shit...
Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on
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So by wat yall are syaing, is that Lebron couldve won a ring in cleveland?? Im not knocking mj, but he would not have won any championships without the supporting cast.. Lebron made a smart buisness move.. He wanted to win, he gave the Cavs 7 good years, the got him half ass help.. And i thought this was about the best players to play the game? Bcuz i stand by my top 3... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by SwEeT 03 Gt (Member # 10283) on
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Jordan bc Kobe himself said he wanted to be like the greatest man to play the game....
Posted by SwEeT 03 Gt (Member # 10283) on
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Originally posted by hilltim54:
So by wat yall are syaing, is that Lebron couldve won a ring in cleveland?? Im not knocking mj, but he would not have won any championships without the supporting cast.. Lebron made a smart buisness move.. He wanted to win, he gave the Cavs 7 good years, the got him half ass help.. And i thought this was about the best players to play the game? Bcuz i stand by my top 3...
lol, skip to 0:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48qzZT4Rj24
Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on
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Originally posted by hilltim54:
So by wat yall are syaing, is that Lebron couldve won a ring in cleveland?? Im not knocking mj, but he would not have won any championships without the supporting cast.. Lebron made a smart buisness move.. He wanted to win, he gave the Cavs 7 good years, the got him half ass help.. And i thought this was about the best players to play the game? Bcuz i stand by my top 3...
Lebron got punked by the mavs when wade took them out witout lebron or bosh. He goes Vince carter every year in the layoffs.
Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on
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Originally posted by SwEeT 03 Gt:
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Originally posted by hilltim54:
So by wat yall are syaing, is that Lebron couldve won a ring in cleveland?? Im not knocking mj, but he would not have won any championships without the supporting cast.. Lebron made a smart buisness move.. He wanted to win, he gave the Cavs 7 good years, the got him half ass help.. And i thought this was about the best players to play the game? Bcuz i stand by my top 3...
lol, skip to 0:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48qzZT4Rj24
haha.. Yeah yeah yeah...
Posted by adower (Member # 5955) on
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Originally posted by East Bay 50:
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Originally posted by adower:
Give Kevin Durant a couple more years. He will be a monster!
I think it goes;
Jordan
Kobe
Durant
durant is not even in the convo yet. he has not done shit...
Oh come on man. A few years he will be a monster. He is a freak athlete.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URERdDAMdEE
Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on
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Wow, so u say Durant over Lebron?? Once again, the thunder have durant, westbrook, and Harden... Spread tbe praise bro,not just one player... Who was responsible for tbe cavs making the playoffs? Hell even the FINALS! One man show! Lebron... So, he has the capabilites to carry a team..
Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on
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MJ all the way!
Posted by kingroy (Member # 7736) on
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Le Bron is out. I might have to roll with Kobe on this one. Although MJ was definitely a better team player than Kobe, Kobe is a little quicker, with slightly more handles than MJ. MJ was a better jumper, and has a better jumper, but Kobe has better D and with that Kobe wins 3 out of 5.
Posted by a302juGRnuat (Member # 10163) on
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love this topic!!! JORDAN HANDS DOWN!!! 2nd is deff kobe.
hate to say it but lebron is deff the best athlete to ever play the game thus far. cant be considered as one of the best just cause he has no rings.
and look out for durant. i really have a good feeling him and westbrook are going to win a lot of championships and will be considered an all time great. better shooter than any mentioned!
Posted by a302juGRnuat (Member # 10163) on
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i just wanted to also mention that scoring wise, mj has better statistics than any of them. almost 50% shooting and almost averaged 30 points a game for his WHOLE CAREER. yes that includes 2 years when he was an old manlol.
mj was more dominant than kobe or lebron for his time era so far.
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Youngsters, listen up!
Jordan, Bird, Magic. Repeat that several times until it sinks in.
Durant? Lebron? They have worlds to conquer before they are allowed in the same sentence as the three guys I mentioned.
Now go change your diapers cause it's starting to smell bad in here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NHRD10DmCc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[ April 03, 2012, 09:22 AM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on
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Jordan, Kobe. LeBron shouldn't even be on this he's phony, along with Griffen.
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Originally posted by kingroy:
Le Bron is out. I might have to roll with Kobe on this one. Although MJ was definitely a better team player than Kobe, Kobe is a little quicker, with slightly more handles than MJ. MJ was a better jumper, and has a better jumper, but Kobe has better D and with that Kobe wins 3 out of 5.
I have to respectfully disagree bro Michael Jordan was quicker than both of them. Michael is more clutch and just has much better leadership qualities and not to mention Jordan was one of the best defenders of his era
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Check out this video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WR86xLSITc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
And like I stated before magic is better than Kobe in my opinion. The way I look at it is who would you pick to start your franchise with. To me that's easy. First would be Jordan then magic and everyone else is in their class is third
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Well you cannot compare MJ to anyone. So that is a mute point. MJ = G.O.A.T
Lebron is by far the superior pure athlete compared to anyone in the league. But he lacks one thing that cannot be taught.... HEART. He lacks that killer instinct that Kobe and MJ have. And his hoop IQ is pretty low for a super star. He gets by on his pure athleticism.
Kobe is a proven product and deserves a spot right next to MJ. But not greater. He finds a way to get it done. And his killer instinct is up there with MJ. He just tends to cry and pout too much for my taste.
Posted by SIC70STANG (Member # 4347) on
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how the hell is james the best athlete? case and point?
im guessing he runs a faster mile or lifts more iron? but that dont get him to sink a few in the 4TH when the game is on the line.
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by SIC70STANG:
how the hell is james the best athlete? case and point?
im guessing he runs a faster mile or lifts more iron? but that dont get him to sink a few in the 4TH when the game is on the line.
As a athlete LBJ is a freak of nature at 6'8 270. Stronger, faster, more agile, naturally bigger than Kobe or MJ (actually MJ may have been more agile). I love MJ and out of respect for the game like Kobe. But neither of them can play all 5 positions. LBJ can play and guard all 5 positions. His athleticism allows him to get a away with things other NBA players cannot. Case in point, although he is doing it less this year. But he almost ALWAYS jumps in the air to make passes. That is pretty much the first rule of hoop, "Do not leave your feet to make passes". Being the athlete he is it pretty much works for him all the time. He just lacks the things I pointed out earlier. Which is similar to what you pointed out. And just to draw a similarity, I am a Piston fan so I hope folks are familiar with Ben Wallace. The 4 time defensive player of the year, led the league in rebounds and blocked shots 2 years in a row. Well LeBron is his size, with Vince Carter like ups, CP3 like speed, covers ground like Durant on the fast break and strength like Anthony Mason. Freak of nature.
[ April 03, 2012, 12:57 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
Posted by SwEeT 03 Gt (Member # 10283) on
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Michael Jordan: 6 NBA Finals, 6 rings. 6/6.
Lebron James: 2 NBA Finals, 0 rings. 0/2.
Lebron James scored 8 points in Game 4 of the 2011 NBA Finals against the Mavs.
A sick Jordan scored 38 points in Game 5 of the 1997 NBA Finals against the Jazz.
If you really believe that lebron is better than Jordan, maybe you have to think about it once again.
whats kobes championship 5/7?
this^^^ /disscusion
that durant guy i can see being a beast in a few years after watchin that video
[ April 03, 2012, 06:41 PM: Message edited by: SwEeT 03 Gt ]
Posted by adower (Member # 5955) on
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I think everyone needs to also remember that jordan and kobe also had Phil jackson. He is a legend in himself and the true lord of the rings.
Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by SIC70STANG:
how the hell is james the best athlete? case and point?
im guessing he runs a faster mile or lifts more iron? but that dont get him to sink a few in the 4TH when the game is on the line.
As a athlete LBJ is a freak of nature at 6'8 270. Stronger, faster, more agile, naturally bigger than Kobe or MJ (actually MJ may have been more agile). I love MJ and out of respect for the game like Kobe. But neither of them can play all 5 positions. LBJ can play and guard all 5 positions. His athleticism allows him to get a away with things other NBA players cannot. Case in point, although he is doing it less this year. But he almost ALWAYS jumps in the air to make passes. That is pretty much the first rule of hoop, "Do not leave your feet to make passes". Being the athlete he is it pretty much works for him all the time. He just lacks the things I pointed out earlier. Which is similar to what you pointed out. And just to draw a similarity, I am a Piston fan so I hope folks are familiar with Ben Wallace. The 4 time defensive player of the year, led the league in rebounds and blocked shots 2 years in a row. Well LeBron is his size, with Vince Carter like ups, CP3 like speed, covers ground like Durant on the fast break and strength like Anthony Mason. Freak of nature.
BINGO! This is what i was saying! i believe they will win the championship this year. ...
Posted by 2T0NE (Member # 4216) on
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Posted by 2T0NE (Member # 4216) on
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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by hilltim54:
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by SIC70STANG:
how the hell is james the best athlete? case and point?
im guessing he runs a faster mile or lifts more iron? but that dont get him to sink a few in the 4TH when the game is on the line.
As a athlete LBJ is a freak of nature at 6'8 270. Stronger, faster, more agile, naturally bigger than Kobe or MJ (actually MJ may have been more agile). I love MJ and out of respect for the game like Kobe. But neither of them can play all 5 positions. LBJ can play and guard all 5 positions. His athleticism allows him to get a away with things other NBA players cannot. Case in point, although he is doing it less this year. But he almost ALWAYS jumps in the air to make passes. That is pretty much the first rule of hoop, "Do not leave your feet to make passes". Being the athlete he is it pretty much works for him all the time. He just lacks the things I pointed out earlier. Which is similar to what you pointed out. And just to draw a similarity, I am a Piston fan so I hope folks are familiar with Ben Wallace. The 4 time defensive player of the year, led the league in rebounds and blocked shots 2 years in a row. Well LeBron is his size, with Vince Carter like ups, CP3 like speed, covers ground like Durant on the fast break and strength like Anthony Mason. Freak of nature.
BINGO! This is what i was saying! i believe they will win the championship this year. ...
Not this year.
Posted by a302juGRnuat (Member # 10163) on
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just to make things clear, i dont think lebron and durant are in the same talks as far as best ever like mj or kobe. i do know that they eventually will. will they surpass mj or kobe? idk maybe, maybe not. what i do know for sure is that, they have the skills and tools to become a mj and kobe.
and yes, lebron is a FREAK OF NATURE. best athlete nba has ever seen. im a mj fan and dislike both kobe and lebron but if i had to bet who would win in a game of 21, id put my money on lebron.
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by SIC70STANG:
how the hell is james the best athlete? case and point?
im guessing he runs a faster mile or lifts more iron? but that dont get him to sink a few in the 4TH when the game is on the line.
As a athlete LBJ is a freak of nature at 6'8 270. Stronger, faster, more agile, naturally bigger than Kobe or MJ (actually MJ may have been more agile). I love MJ and out of respect for the game like Kobe. But neither of them can play all 5 positions. LBJ can play and guard all 5 positions. His athleticism allows him to get a away with things
other NBA players cannot. Case in point, although he is doing it less this year. But he almost ALWAYS jumps in the air to make passes. That is pretty much the first rule of hoop, "Do not leave your feet to make passes". Being the athlete he is it pretty much works for him all the time. He just lacks the things I pointed out earlier. Which is similar to what you pointed out. And just to draw a similarity, I am a Piston fan so I hope folks are familiar with Ben Wallace. The 4 time defensive player of the year, led the league in rebounds and blocked shots 2 years in a row. Well LeBron is his size, with Vince Carter like ups, CP3 like speed, covers ground like
Durant on the fast break and strength like Anthony Mason. Freak of nature.
Too bad he has the heart of andres biedrens and the shooting range of Dennis Rodman. You say he can play all positions but he can't shoot long range jumpers to save his life.
Posted by a302juGRnuat (Member # 10163) on
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Originally posted by blackfifty:
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by SIC70STANG:
how the hell is james the best athlete? case and point?
im guessing he runs a faster mile or lifts more iron? but that dont get him to sink a few in the 4TH when the game is on the line.
As a athlete LBJ is a freak of nature at 6'8 270. Stronger, faster, more agile, naturally bigger than Kobe or MJ (actually MJ may have been more agile). I love MJ and out of respect for the game like Kobe. But neither of them can play all 5 positions. LBJ can play and guard all 5 positions. His athleticism allows him to get a away with things
other NBA players cannot. Case in point, although he is doing it less this year. But he almost ALWAYS jumps in the air to make passes. That is pretty much the first rule of hoop, "Do not leave your feet to make passes". Being the athlete he is it pretty much works for him all the time. He just lacks the things I pointed out earlier. Which is similar to what you pointed out. And just to draw a similarity, I am a Piston fan so I hope folks are familiar with Ben Wallace. The 4 time defensive player of the year, led the league in rebounds and blocked shots 2 years in a row. Well LeBron is his size, with Vince Carter like ups, CP3 like speed, covers ground like
Durant on the fast break and strength like Anthony Mason. Freak of nature.
Too bad he has the heart of andres biedrens and the shooting range of Dennis Rodman. You say he can play all positions but he can't shoot long range jumpers to save his life.
jordan was not a great shooter either. you dont need to be a good shooter to be good in any position. lebron also has a better shooting percentage than kobe. but you are right about heart. he has none.
[ April 04, 2012, 01:16 AM: Message edited by: a302juGRnuat ]
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by blackfifty:
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Originally posted by N8:
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Originally posted by SIC70STANG:
how the hell is james the best athlete? case and point?
im guessing he runs a faster mile or lifts more iron? but that dont get him to sink a few in the 4TH when the game is on the line.
As a athlete LBJ is a freak of nature at 6'8 270. Stronger, faster, more agile, naturally bigger than Kobe or MJ (actually MJ may have been more agile). I love MJ and out of respect for the game like Kobe. But neither of them can play all 5 positions. LBJ can play and guard all 5 positions. His athleticism allows him to get a away with things
other NBA players cannot. Case in point, although he is doing it less this year. But he almost ALWAYS jumps in the air to make passes. That is pretty much the first rule of hoop, "Do not leave your feet to make passes". Being the athlete he is it pretty much works for him all the time. He just lacks the things I pointed out earlier. Which is similar to what you pointed out. And just to draw a similarity, I am a Piston fan so I hope folks are familiar with Ben Wallace. The 4 time defensive player of the year, led the league in rebounds and blocked shots 2 years in a row. Well LeBron is his size, with Vince Carter like ups, CP3 like speed, covers ground like
Durant on the fast break and strength like Anthony Mason. Freak of nature.
Too bad he has the heart of andres biedrens and the shooting range of Dennis Rodman. You say he can play all positions but he can't shoot long range jumpers to save his life.
LBJ is actually shooting a very decent percentage (36%) from the stripe. And he worked on his low post game a lot. His heart will forever be in question, and I always say you cannot teach heart. But to compare his shooting to Rodman is absurd. Just to add, I am not a LBJ fan.
Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on
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I've always thought it was funny how people consider low ass percentage shooting is good.
BTW N8 pass that shit kuz you obviously got that good shit! ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
Posted by slow2v (Member # 9403) on
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Originally posted by 2T0NE:
jordan first and kobe second..why the fuck is lebron even in the discussion ????
+ 11111111111111 ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
I've always thought it was funny how people consider low ass percentage shooting is good.
BTW N8 pass that shit kuz you obviously got that good shit!
36% is from the stripe. Which is not the bulk of his game anyway. But inside the stripe he is 54%. I do not have hard stats but I would guess he may average 3-4 dunks per game so 6-8 points of his 27ppg. So yes, I still say to compare him to Rodman, is misplaced. Lets not forget LBJ is a SF.
Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on
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TTT
Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on
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3/9???? GOAT alright ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
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