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Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

Buddy is putting together a 66 coupe right now. Going to be a fun little street car. What kind of et's you think it will run....

66 coupe
2860 lbs....dry.....180 driver
Stock 5.0 roller shortblock
E303 cam
Eddy performer heads
1.7 roller rockers
Eddy rpm air gap
650 dp quickfuel Carb
1 5/8 longtubes
2.5" duals....2 chamber flows dumped
Electric fan
4r70w auto...9.5" 2800 stall
8" rear 3.55 posi
15x3.5 weld skinnys front
15x8 welds rear..26" MT dr

Posted by slow96cobra (Member # 6001) on :

13.9

Posted by norcalfiddy (Member # 11207) on :

thats kinda like my setup in my 70 cougar [Big Grin]

except for i have a 9inch. gt40ps, and 1.6's

[burnout]

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by slow96cobra:
13.9

I'm thinking low 13's

Posted by Smoked50 (Member # 9592) on :

Should be mid 12s

[ February 21, 2012, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: Smoked50 ]

Posted by dvuspny (Member # 10949) on :

12.50's @ 104/105. .....Depends on what cylinder heads. All natural. No power adders.

[ February 21, 2012, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: dvuspny ]

Posted by 1sicmaro (Member # 9734) on :

Im thinking slow enough for bolt on gsr's to keep up or beat it.

Posted by blown doors off (Member # 10713) on :

13.1-13.3

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by dvuspny:
12.50's @ 104/105. .....Depends on what cylinder heads. All natural. No power adders.

Edelbrock performer

Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on :

My guess is 13.4

Posted by a302juGRnuat (Member # 10163) on :

Mid to high 12's...At 3000lbs with driver and 300rwhp, it sounds like a good guess.

Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on :

quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
Mid to high 12's...At 3000lbs with driver and 300rwhp, it sounds like a good guess.

I doubt it makes 300rwhp.

Posted by blkfoxbody89 (Member # 8361) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ItzStock:

quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
Mid to high 12's...At 3000lbs with driver and 300rwhp, it sounds like a good guess.
I doubt it makes 300rwhp.

With a T-5 it would easily make 310rwhp

Posted by slocobra (Member # 6311) on :

12.90's with traction

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

I told him low 13's to possible high 12's. Should trap in the 102-106 range. Maybe 265-280 rwhp.

Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 6D9:
I told him low 13's to possible high 12's. Should trap in the 102-106 range. Maybe 265-280 rwhp.

Yea thats the power level I think it will be.

Posted by JZTRK (Member # 7641) on :

high 13's low 14's and lower as he gets used to the car

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ItzStock:

quote:
Originally posted by 6D9:
I told him low 13's to possible high 12's. Should trap in the 102-106 range. Maybe 265-280 rwhp.
Yea thats the power level I think it will be.

Should be a fun little car. After it gets dialed in plans are to put a small nitrous kit on it. Nothing crazy...around a 75-100 shot.

Posted by vortek01gt (Member # 10149) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ItzStock:

quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
Mid to high 12's...At 3000lbs with driver and 300rwhp, it sounds like a good guess.
I doubt it makes 300rwhp.

Pretty damn close if not more. My wifes 67 non-roller 302 with eddy performer heads 1.6 rockers and performer intake with shorty headers and 2" exhaust made 265rwhp through an auto....the tuner only took it to 4500rpm too. If I had to guess I would think mid 12s

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

We took the car to the track with the previous motor. Ran a 14.79 at 87.7 mph....lol. It did 60 foot decent for the weak power. Did a 2.00!

stock 85 5.0 longblock...tired
stock 4 barrel low rise intake
Holley 600 vac sec
225/50/15 DR's

Posted by Chavez66 (Member # 9812) on :

I have the exact same setup as your boy except for a 4 speed Manuel, crower cam and Holley 650 double pump and my 1st time ever to the track I did a 13.8 while having cut out problems. That was an inexperienced driver that had never seen track time. He can Def do better then that. Hopefully I go back this year and get more track time and lower that time significantly

[ February 22, 2012, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: Chavez66 ]

Posted by ItzStock (Member # 9665) on :

quote:
Originally posted by vortek01gt:

quote:
Originally posted by ItzStock:

quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnuat:
Mid to high 12's...At 3000lbs with driver and 300rwhp, it sounds like a good guess.
I doubt it makes 300rwhp.
Pretty damn close if not more. My wifes 67 non-roller 302 with eddy performer heads 1.6 rockers and performer intake with shorty headers and 2" exhaust made 265rwhp through an auto....the tuner only took it to 4500rpm too. If I had to guess I would think mid 12s

We will never know until he goes to the dyno.

Posted by RONIN (Member # 9987) on :

9's all day [Eek!]

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Chavez66:
I have the exact same setup as your boy except for a 4 speed Manuel, crower cam and Holley 650 double pump and my 1st time ever to the track I did a 13.8 while having cut out problems. That was an inexperienced driver that had never seen track time. He can Def do better then that. Hopefully I go back this year and get more track time and lower that time significantly

What was your mph?

Posted by dvuspny (Member # 10949) on :

He might get 13.8 @ bout 101/102mph then......small head choice too. Is the engine tired.....high miles?

Posted by kingdavid (Member # 11179) on :

I think I sold the rockers,Carb and heads to your buddy. These came off my 306 that was 10:1 compression and different cam. This was in my 67 mustang that weighted 3000 pound I had a toploader 4speed and 3.80 gears with a posi with micky thompson Drag radials and and Dyno 292RWHP and ran a 13.1

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by kingdavid:
I think I sold the rockers,Carb and heads to your buddy. These came off my 306 that was 10:1 compression and different cam. This was in my 67 mustang that weighted 3000 pound I had a toploader 4speed and 3.80 gears with a posi with micky thompson Drag radials and and Dyno 292RWHP and ran a 13.1

Yep thats him! What did your car 60 ft on the 13.1 pass?

Posted by kingdavid (Member # 11179) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 6D9:

quote:
Originally posted by kingdavid:
I think I sold the rockers,Carb and heads to your buddy. These came off my 306 that was 10:1 compression and different cam. This was in my 67 mustang that weighted 3000 pound I had a toploader 4speed and 3.80 gears with a posi with micky thompson Drag radials and and Dyno 292RWHP and ran a 13.1
Yep thats him! What did your car 60 ft on the 13.1 pass?

I'm not sure I need to check my time slip, But what I can recall it was not good I wasn't getting traction on the few runs I got I should of been able to get a 12.9 or 12.8.

Posted by kingdavid (Member # 11179) on :

Ill text the 60 foot time to your buddy.

Posted by BLK35th (Member # 4685) on :

http://robrobinette.com/et.htm

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by kingdavid:
Ill text the 60 foot time to your buddy.

Sweet thanks bro.

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

Just updating this thread. Well the 302 shortblock ended up needing a rebuild so he ended up doing a 331 kit. Here is the new set up.

65 Coupe
2860 lbs
331 stroker..10.2 to 1
Eddy Peformer heads...1.7 roller rockers
Comp hyd roller...218/224...545/545...110 lsa
Eddy Performer rpm air intake
Quickfuel 650 double pumper
1 5/8 Dougs longtubes
2.5" duals exhaust..2 chamber flows
4R70W..9.5" 2800 stall billet converter
3.55 posi
Weld drag lights/skinnys front
26" MT DR's

Posted by kingdavid (Member # 11179) on :

Looking good Jason. This will be a nice street car.

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by kingdavid:
Looking good Jason. This will be a nice street car.

Thats what I told him. Going to run good and be very reliable. Plans are to put a small nitrous kit on as well. 100-125 shot.

Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :

I'll say after he gets his carb dialed in, gets his rear suspension set up correctly with DRs & gets his 60' down in the 1.70's He's gonna get a nice ET out of that street friendly combo.
High 12's like a 12.83 @ 103ish..... That's a conservative guess btw.

Posted by kingdavid (Member # 11179) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 6D9:

quote:
Originally posted by kingdavid:
Looking good Jason. This will be a nice street car.
Thats what I told him. Going to run good and be very reliable. Plans are to put a small nitrous kit on as well. 100-125 shot.

Yes it will.

Posted by sneakyfox90 (Member # 9379) on :

That setup should be able to break into the 12s if it's dialed in
EDIT:lol i missed the udate too

12.40s my est if driver an traction is good

[ May 05, 2012, 12:44 AM: Message edited by: sneakyfox90 ]

Posted by nitrous_bob (Member # 77) on :

kinda crazy...that stall converter is a wild card.

WAY TOO LOW, so it might boil down to tires, cuz hes gonna bog HARD if he hooks...he'll need the tire spin to get the r's up

but too much spin and...well you know

im gonna say its capable of a 13.20-13.30@100 mph

but i think he'll run a 13.90-14.10 cuz its untameable

that converter (assuming its a GOOD converter) will flash about 2500 at best, probably more like 2300

its gonna hurt him with no power adder

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

Yeah we will see what its will do. I think its going to run easy 12's with a 105-108 trap speed.

Nitrous Bob the converter in the car was flashing 2500-2600 behind the stock 1986 carbed motor. Should flash 2800+ behind the 331. The 4r70W has 2.84 first gear so it feels like a 4.20 in a AOD. The car ran a 14.79 at 87.7 mph with the stock beat down 302...lol.

Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :

Let's us know what it runs.... I wanna see how close I got with my ET & MPH. [patriot]

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Slowback67:
Let's us know what it runs.... I wanna see how close I got with my ET & MPH.

Will do for sure. Its been a fun little project.

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Slowback67:
Let's us know what it runs.... I wanna see how close I got with my ET & MPH.

Its going to take a few trips to the track to get it dialed in. Not sure if he plans to strap it to the rollers or not.

Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on :

13.0's or teens on street tires.Mid 12's on drag tires.

[ May 03, 2012, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: 50DADDY ]

Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :

Just noticed you guys didn't put the therm housing on before you put the intake on. [Frown]

If I have the intake off I always do it because that bottom bolt is a pain...... If you've never delt with it, you will soon find out.

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Slowback67:
Just noticed you guys didn't put the therm housing on before you put the intake on.
If I have the intake off I always do it because that bottom bolt is a pain...... If you've never delt with it, you will soon find out.

Lol....yeah these Ford's are different for me. We will get it.

Posted by cemelevu (Member # 10601) on :

I know its apples to oranges, but i have a HCI 302, afr 165's, e-cam, 1.7 rockers, tremec 3550, 3.73's, mt et streets, last time out it ran 12.8' at 106. this is in a 91 hatch and untuned, other than timing and fuel presure.

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by cemelevu:
I know its apples to oranges, but i have a HCI 302, afr 165's, e-cam, 1.7 rockers, tremec 3550, 3.73's, mt et streets, last time out it ran 12.8' at 106. this is in a 91 hatch and untuned, other than timing and fuel presure.

I'm planning on going with that same combination you have for my 90lx hatch. Just with 3.55's and a t-5.

I agree this set up should run easy 12's . Time will tell.

Posted by nitrous_bob (Member # 77) on :

Wtf....I didn't see the updated post with the 331

I was basing the low flashpoint due to lower hp and not a heavy car

Yeah im saying 12.50's now about 108

Posted by cemelevu (Member # 10601) on :

quote:
Originally posted by nitrous_bob:
Wtf....I didn't see the updated post with the 331

I was basing the low flashpoint due to lower hp and not a heavy car

Yeah im saying 12.50's now about 108

This is what I am thinking, I dont know the C/R on my 302, but if it is running 12.8's this thing with some more cubes and that C/R should be solid mid to low 12's. the only factor i am unfamilar with is the auto.

Posted by Secnd2nun64 (Member # 1431) on :

I would say mid 13's n/a. Never know till you take it out there.

Not to say this setup is the case but lots of people think their cars can run twelves only to find out they have a 15 second ride.

Hope he upgrades the brakes before racing it. That's one tiny master cylinder in there.

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

Update:

Off to the track tonight to see how the new 331 runs. Will post results.

Posted by nitrous_bob (Member # 77) on :

and ???

[ July 18, 2012, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: nitrous_bob ]

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

First pass 12.93 at 106.7. Crap 2.09 60 foot.

Posted by kingdavid (Member # 11179) on :

As soon as it dialed in I say 12.6

Posted by sneakyfox90 (Member # 9379) on :

My original guess was 12.40 and I still think it could do it with a better 60

Posted by Cobra 93-4992 (Member # 4992) on :

15.2

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

Next pass 12.81 at 107.3 worse 2.15 60 foot

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

Finally a decent hook.....12.48 at 103...letting off a bit early...1.88 60 foot.

[ July 19, 2012, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: 6D9 ]

Posted by a302juGRnot (Member # 10163) on :

awesome times!

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by a302juGRnot:
awesome times!

Thanks! Next time we go we will on a test n tune day. That way we can play with the timing and jetting. Will get some low 12's next time out.

Posted by 6D5 (Member # 11709) on :

Sounds like a good idea... [Whoo Whooooo!]

Posted by kingdavid (Member # 11179) on :

First post cherry popped lol.

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 6D5:
Sounds like a good idea...

Speak up Jason its your car!

Posted by Secnd2nun64 (Member # 1431) on :

Those are some great times! I almost did a 331 myself.

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

Update :

Took the car to the track last night and it did a new best......12.24 at 108 with a 1.81 60 ft.

Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 6D9:
Update :

Took the car to the track last night and it did a new best......12.24 at 108 with a 1.81 60 ft.

FUCK! I need to get my 60ft down!

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 68dustin:

quote:
Originally posted by 6D9:
Update :

Took the car to the track last night and it did a new best......12.24 at 108 with a 1.81 60 ft.
FUCK! I need to get my 60ft down!

Lol....what's your combination?

Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :

non-roller 302 with trick flow heads, weiand
x-cellerator intake, holley 750, 8psi of boost, t-5 tranny with 3:70's & 26" tall mickey thompson et.streets

all in my 68 mustang

best i can get is 12.6 @ 114 mph.. best 60ft was a 2.2 [Frown]

havent been able to take it out with the 3:70's and the 9" rear end. My old 8" i baby'ed so it wouldnt break.

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 68dustin:
non-roller 302 with trick flow heads, weiand
x-cellerator intake, holley 750, 8psi of boost, t-5 tranny with 3:70's & 26" tall mickey thompson et.streets

all in my 68 mustang

best i can get is 12.6 @ 114 mph.. best 60ft was a 2.2

havent been able to take it out with the 3:70's and the 9" rear end. My old 8" i baby'ed so it wouldnt break.

Sweet combination! With a decent 60 foot you have some 11.8's in it.

Posted by 6D5 (Member # 11709) on :

Made it out last night...Final pass of the night..12.059@108.884mph

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 6D5:
Made it out last night...Final pass of the night..12.059@108.884mph

Way more mph in that combo somethings a miss...

Posted by 6D5 (Member # 11709) on :

Thats what my buddy has been saying also...it has been running around 90-91 mph in the 1/8th. I tried to post a pic of my slip but couldnt figure out how...had a 1.753 60ft

[ November 16, 2012, 02:13 AM: Message edited by: 6D5 ]

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 6D5:
Thats what my buddy has been saying also...it has been running around 90-91 mph in the 1/8th. I tried to post a pic of my slip but couldnt figure out how...had a 1.753 60ft

Put a victor jr on that fucker and some 1.7s on the intake. Gonna gain 5mph if ur valve springs aren't junk or ur compression is in the toilet, which I doubt with a 3 1/4 stroke....

Posted by 6D5 (Member # 11709) on :

It has 1.7s already on the intake and exhaust. Brand new comp springs and everything. Motor was just built less than 1k mi on it.

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 6D5:
It has 1.7s already on the intake and exhaust. Brand new comp springs and everything. Motor was just built less than 1k mi on it.

What compression?

Ive got tons of customers close to 400lbs heavier weight with re ringed 5.0Ls and performer heads going 112mph plus......

Somethings up with that 331.

MPH too low.

What does is blow on compression tester at cranking?

Dan

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

Nevermind, I see your compression mentioned and the 1.7s.

Id work on dialing in that duraspark maybe and perhaps think about different cam and a victor jr.?

Less your happy with it.

Posted by 6D5 (Member # 11709) on :

I am running the 6AL with the blaster ss coil and msd dizy...3.55s in the rear

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 6D5:
I am running the 6AL with the blaster ss coil and msd dizy...3.55s in the rear

Ok....I seen duraspark in the pics.

Play with timing curves in that msd dizzy, switch to a victor jr and put some more cam in that beast......

Less ur happy with it.

I'd see what it blows for cranking compression...

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

Now I see ur gonna spray it...that will wake up that lazy gear and converter...still gotta get a vic jr on there, specially with a nice plate system.

1.50-1.6 60fts and 150 shot.......be an animal

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

I agree the MPH should be up a touch. I'm thinking its the wide ratio gearset combined with 3.55 gears. The first two gears are low making it feel like 4.20's with a c4. Then it shifts to 3rd 1 to 1 making the motor work hard to get in the powerband.

Plans are for a simple, safe 100 shot. The 3.55's will work sweet on the bottle. The current converter flashes. 3500 on motor.

Posted by 6D9 (Member # 7001) on :

Update:

Put some more timing in the motor and she liked it. Went a new best....

12.008 at 111

1.72 60 foot

Posted by 6D5 (Member # 11709) on :

Getting closer....hopefully 11.99 sometime

Posted by 6D5 (Member # 11709) on :

update from 5/22/2013 11.91@111.876mph

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