ANOTHER PIT BULL ATTACK IN PACIFICA. DOG KILLED PREGNANT WOMAN

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Posted by macthizzle (Member # 3492) on :

Sucks. I own a pit that will be 1 y/o on 8/21. i take him to dog parks,when i arrive people tend to leave. My dog is kid friendly and neutered. Just dont like how this breed is judged.

Posted by 79 cobra (Member # 10137) on :

[ August 12, 2011, 12:21 PM: Message edited by: 79 cobra ]

Posted by fredfifty (Member # 10320) on :

dude, post a link or something [Razz]

very sad news though..rip to her and her unborn...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/12/MNK21KMFEB.DTL

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PACIFICA -- A pregnant Pacifica woman was mauled and killed by a family pit bull Thursday inside her home and discovered by her husband when he returned from work.

Darla Napora, 32, was found by her husband, Greg, at their house at 588 Reina del Mar around noon.

Greg Napora told police that he arrived home to find one of the couple's two pit bulls standing over his wife's body. He was able to get the dog into the backyard before police arrived a few moments later, according to Capt. Dave Bertini, a Pacifica police spokesman.

Attempts to revive Darla Napora were unsuccessful, and she was pronounced dead at the scene.

While the investigation was under way, Bertini said, the 2-year-old male dog got loose from the yard. Police fired three shots at the pit bull, killing it.

The family's second pit bull was not believed to have been involved in the attack, but was removed as a precaution by the Peninsula Humane Society, which provides animal control services for San Mateo County.

By late afternoon, police had left the scene and the house sat quiet, the front door slightly open. The only visible evidence of the horrific episode was a pool of drying blood on the gravel driveway near the front door.

Neighbor Kathy Carlson, 63, saw the distraught husband outside the house before the police arrived.

"He was in the driveway all frantic, yelling," said Carlson, who lives across from the white single-story home that the Naporas began renting last winter. "He had blood on his hands, blood on his shirt and blood down his pants."

Residents and visitors to the quiet block struggled to make sense of what had occurred.

"They are not barking dogs. They seemed friendly," Carlson said of the two pit bulls owned by the Naporas. "I have a pit also, and he's an absolute angel. It's just really sad."

A former neighborhood resident on the scene wasn't nearly so sympathetic to the presence of pit bulls.

"I'm scared to death of them," said Jeni Viny, 59, in Pacifica for a high school reunion. Viny of Nashville recalled being at a dog obedience class where a 4-month-old pit bull began attacking other dogs in the room. "I hate them."

The death of Darla Napora was not the first case in the Bay Area where pit bulls have killed members of the families that owned them.

In 2010, 2-year-old Jacob Bisbee was attacked by three dogs in his step-grandfather's Concord garage. The owner, Steven Hayashi, has since been charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Five years earlier saw the death of Nicholas Faibish, 12, who was mauled by his family's pit bulls in San Francisco after his mother left them alone in the house with her son, who had a learning disability.

The most notorious mauling case locally involved Diane Whipple, a 33-year-old lacrosse coach at St. Mary's College who was killed in her Pacific Heights apartment building by a 120-pound Presa Canario. The dog was being kept by attorneys Marjorie Knoller and Robert Noel, each of whom served prison time as a result of the death. Knoller is still in prison.

San Francisco passed a law in 2005 that pit bulls owned by city residents must be spayed or neutered. Pacifica has no such law. The dog found with Darla Napora had not been neutered, police said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/11/BAK21KMFEB.DTL#ixzz1Upe7hqMR

Posted by 79 cobra (Member # 10137) on :

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Originally posted by macthizzle:
Sucks. I own a pit that will be 1 y/o on 8/21. i take him to dog parks,when i arrive people tend to leave. My dog is kid friendly and neutered. Just dont like how this breed is judged.

same thing here i own 3 pits and everytime i go 2 the dog park people either give me dirty looks or just leave HATE HOW PEOPLE JUDGE THE BREED AND NOT THE OWNERS

Posted by DIRTY SALLY (Member # 7845) on :

well she shouldnt have been talking shit [Embarrassed]

Posted by macthizzle (Member # 3492) on :

I took my dog to the park on wednesday. A 45-50 y/o man asks if my dog is pappered (registered in san mateo county) and neutered. He also asks me why i like that dangerous breed.

Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on :

Is it something inherent in pit bulls, or is it the type of person/people that own them?

I'm genuinely curious. It's hard to be non-biased about the breed when it seems that every time you turn around, you're reading about another pit bull attack.

Posted by macthizzle (Member # 3492) on :

I think its all on the owner and how the dog is raised. Some owners train their dogs to protect and fight. A pit bull is the most loyal dog one could have.

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

You read about men and women killing kids all the time, does that mean we are all going to do it?

Its a case by case basis.

Fuckin dog tried some shit with my kid in the stroller with my wife pushing and my dog on a leash one time, happened to be a pit bull and it happened to be in Chico, I picked that mother fer up like I would a grown man and broke its back over my knee.......A pregnant woman? Not so lucky.

Posted by Farrell (Member # 10801) on :

the only difference between pits and any other breed is their "gameness" that was bred into them. There are a lot of other breeds more likely to start something, its just pits WILL finish it for the most part. I'm not some ignorant pitbull hater, I had a staffordshire for a long time. my shepherd grew up in a house with two other pits and his best friend is an 85 pound white male pit that was rescued from a fighting ring as a pup. They were trained right though and have never tried to challenge each other and we don't let them play fight at all as it can turn quickly. they just run/swim/hike together with equal respect and always excited when they see each other. that being said, i have also had my GSD attacked three different times by pits at dog parks before he was even a year and a half old(they try and mount him, he turns around to growl and they go strait for him.). I no longer go to dog parks because of this, i have scars on my hands/arms from breaking them up while the owners stood there and watched and over 2k worth of vet bills ive had to fork out. I've never had him get in a fight with any other breeds.

Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

It sounds like this dog was a family dog. Is the husband at fault for owning a pitbull?

Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :

It falls on the owners most of the time. I have a fear / food agressive dog ( not a pitbull ) I do take her to the dog park..... But she stays on a leash, I even bring a muzzle and leave if she starts acting up. BTW she is fixed.

Sad story and even worse are the hatefull remarks made in the article about pitbulls

Posted by fredfifty (Member # 10320) on :

title says it all..."another pitbull attack..." this shows the general public view of pits (and the title was by a pro-pit owner)

ive never owned a pit because of the history it has built up...or any dog for the last 18 years...and if i do get one, its gonna be one that can fit in the palm of my hand...for my familys sake.

Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :

That's pretty sad man RIP, as far as pitbulls go I will tell you from my "personal experience" when it comes to those dogs it does seem like 99% of the time it's the owner which leads to more stories like this about pitbulls then say german shepherds or even rotts. Damn sad story!

Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :

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Originally posted by DIRTY SALLY:
well she shouldnt have been talking shit

Aww shit LMFAO I'm dying at work shit man you're on a roll!!!!!

Posted by SF Coupe (Member # 1810) on :

Pitbulls are terriers. Terriers were bred for killing, specifically small animals. Some terriers can be triggered and their natural extinct comes out, which is to kill. This dog probably got confused somehow and something got triggered inside of him.

My dad used to hunt pigs with a pack of Airedales. Some of our neighbors decided to get them because they liked my Dad's dogs. My Dad knew these people had cats and warned them that it was a bad idea to have terriers and cats in the same house. The neighbors blew him off and said as long as you raise the dog with the cat it will be fine. What happened a few years later? The lady came home and found pieces of her cat in her driveway with blood all over the dogs muzzle. Something triggered that dog and he did what he was bred to do.

Having pit bulls is like keeping a loaded gun in your house with kids. Most likely nothing will happen, but you are increasing your chances of a tragedy.

Posted by Tony Montana (Member # 8288) on :

Over the years ive owned a number of pitbulls and its sad to hear stories like this. a pit is a dog that needs to be put in check but at the same time shown love. Show them from day one your the master ,the same with your spouse and children. If you dont show a dog the chain of command they will get to a point to challenge you. If you show them love they will respect the pack and not need to challenge anybody.

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

I love how when something like this happens, pitbull owners come out of the woodworks defending the breed. These dogs are natural killers, its in their genes. Lol @ the owners getting booty hurt cause people vacate the area when you and your dog come to the park. Are you worried about the dogs feelings or your own lol? Everytime I see one, I want to shoot it in the face [Mad]

. Sure theyre some really calm trained ones out there, but theyre only calm around the owners and family. On the loose they're wild animals and should be shot when seen [Wink]

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
Pitbulls are terriers. Terriers were bred for killing, specifically small animals. Some terriers can be triggered and their natural extinct comes out, which is to kill. This dog probably got confused somehow and something got triggered inside of him.

My dad used to hunt pigs with a pack of Airedales. Some of our neighbors decided to get them because they liked my Dad's dogs. My Dad knew these people had cats and warned them that it was a bad idea to have terriers and cats in the same house. The neighbors blew him off and said as long as you raise the dog with the cat it will be fine. What happened a few years later? The lady came home and found pieces of her cat in her driveway with blood all over the dogs muzzle. Something triggered that dog and he did what he was bred to do.

Having pit bulls is like keeping a loaded gun in your house with kids. Most likely nothing will happen, but you are increasing your chances of a tragedy.

The simple fact that something can trigger this breed at any moment is reason enough for people not to be able to own them. This goes for every other breed out there who is capable of killing humans.

Owners talk about how you need to show the pitbull whos boss etc etc blah blah blah. The problem here is, how the fuck would you know who is actually doing that and even if done, the dog still has a chance of snapping. Most other breeds you don't have to show them shit because most breeds aren't capable of killing people.

RIP to the woman and her unborn. smh this is a damn shame [Frown]

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Originally posted by Slowback67:
Sad story and even worse are the hatefull remarks made in the article about pitbulls

WTF

So the hateful remarks are worse than the actual HUMAN deaths themselves lol! WTF planet do you live on?

[ August 12, 2011, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: CLEEN 50 ]

Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :

Again man I think it comes back to the owenrs, most pit bull owners, yes even you cafords don't try to play like it's not you, walk around trying to look like tough guys with their pit bulls, teaching them to fight, not taking care of them, etc. etc. just to make the dog tough and scary, that's why the dogs attack, even when you take care of the dogs you still try to make them look tough cropping their ears etc. It starts with the owner as always and don't deny it you know damn well if you're out with your pit you think youre a bad ass.

Posted by macthizzle (Member # 3492) on :

^^^^^ YOU MUST OWN A POODLE [Razz]

Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
I love how when something like this happens, pitbull owners come out of the woodworks defending the breed. These dogs are natural killers, its in their genes. Lol @ the owners getting booty hurt cause people vacate the area when you and your dog come to the park. Are you worried about the dogs feelings or your own lol? Everytime I see one, I want to shoot it in the face . Sure theyre some really calm trained ones out there, but theyre only calm around the owners and family. On the loose they're wild animals and should be shot when seen

This has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've seen posted on this board and that's a bold statement. Pitbulls have been used in fighting rings they were not used to kill pregnant woman or children. It's so sad to see this happen I wish nothin but the best for the family of the attack. I can really care less if people leave the dog park when I show up with my pitty or walk across the street to avoid crossing paths, but when people start saying these dogs have it in their genes to be agressive is dumb. I'm Mexican and just because I'm Latino don't mean I like menudo!!

Posted by macthizzle (Member # 3492) on :

I agree its the owners.My dog is really calm and so cool that he wears sun glasses.Ive had him since he was 3 weeks. Very smart and loyal dog. Run 2 miles a day with him and take him to dog parks 2-3 times a week.

Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :

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Originally posted by macthizzle:
^^^^^ YOU MUST OWN A POODLE

Actually I own a Daschund lol and I'm still a bad ass don't need a Pit to make me tough LOL I'm just speaking from my experiences, I love all dogs including pitbulls I'm actually a huge dog nut, but I have seen a ton of idiot owners with these dogs. I love these dogs just wish they wouldn't always end up in the hands of Tookie Williams or Michael Vick who turn them into bad dogs.

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

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Originally posted by blackfifty:

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
I love how when something like this happens, pitbull owners come out of the woodworks defending the breed. These dogs are natural killers, its in their genes. Lol @ the owners getting booty hurt cause people vacate the area when you and your dog come to the park. Are you worried about the dogs feelings or your own lol? Everytime I see one, I want to shoot it in the face . Sure theyre some really calm trained ones out there, but theyre only calm around the owners and family. On the loose they're wild animals and should be shot when seen
This has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've seen posted on this board and that's a bold statement. Pitbulls have been used in fighting rings they were not used to kill pregnant woman or children. It's so sad to see this happen I wish nothin but the best for the family of the attack. I can really care less if people leave the dog park when I show up with my pitty or walk across the street to avoid crossing paths, but when people start saying these dogs have it in their genes to be agressive is dumb. I'm Mexican and just because I'm Latino don't mean I like menudo!!

Who cares what you think lol. First of all thats a horrible analogy and doesn't correlate at all. Look it up, they have been bred to have these aggresive traits, just like some breeds have other traits. Its not a hard concept to grasp. You're just another pitbull owner defending the breed, thats all. Don't get your panties in a bunch all over a pitbull dude, people died plain n simple. Humans > dogs [Wink]

[ August 12, 2011, 07:59 PM: Message edited by: CLEEN 50 ]

Posted by macthizzle (Member # 3492) on :

I see those kind of owners all the time. I think they should try to screen owners before they can actually have one. Maybe put restrictions on the breed like the argentinian dogo.

My miniature pinscher actually punks my pit.

Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :

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Originally posted by macthizzle:
I see those kind of owners all the time. I think they should try to screen owners before they can actually have one. Maybe put restrictions on the breed like the argentinian dogo.

My miniature pinscher actually punks my pit.

Good point about the screening you have to get a license to drive right why not to own certain dogs, and nice I see that all the time at the dog park, mines scared of other dogs but she did scare away some Mormons in front of my house the other day.

Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :

Man there aee some ignorant fucks on this borad.. Let me school you guys on pitts.. Ok, pit bulls were bred and raised to fight, yes we all know that, in a ring(most times in a 5x5 box).. And their owners/trainers (of BOTH DOGS) were in the ring, down on the floor petting and cheering them on.. Also, prior to the match the owner of the other dog would rub ur dog down to check for any poisons or any other things that would give the dog an advantage.. So the dogs HAD to be people friendly and loyal.. Breeders would screen the pups starting when they were only weeks old and if they showed any aggression towards humans they were killed.. Hence the point im trying to make is they were NOT bred to be human aggressive.... They were breed to attack other animals/dogs.. But with careful training and being a responsible owner you can prevent ALL aaccidents.. I have a 2 year old pit bull named Mercedes and she the greatest dog.. And anyone that thinks all pits are holy terrors can come to my house and see for ur selves.. Oh but watch out for my 2 rotties [Big Grin]

Posted by SWEET03GT (Member # 10283) on :

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
Man there aee some ignorant fucks on this borad.. Let me school you guys on pitts.. Ok, pit bulls were bred and raised to fight, yes we all know that, in a ring(most times in a 5x5 box).. And their owners/trainers (of BOTH DOGS) were in the ring, down on the floor petting and cheering them on.. Also, prior to the match the owner of the other dog would rub ur dog down to check for any poisons or any other things that would give the dog an advantage.. So the dogs HAD to be people friendly and loyal.. Breeders would screen the pups starting when they were only weeks old and if they showed any aggression towards humans they were killed.. Hence the point im trying to make is they were NOT bred to be human aggressive.... They were breed to attack other animals/dogs.. But with careful training and being a responsible owner you can prevent ALL aaccidents.. I have a 2 year old pit bull named Mercedes and she the greatest dog.. And anyone that thinks all pits are holy terrors can come to my house and see for ur selves.. Oh but watch out for my 2 rotties

dude they were bred to fight bulls hence the name pit(bulls) they liked them because of there locking jaws. that way they would let a few at a time to kill or bring down a bull, they arent aggressive by nature (unless down the blood line there was a fighter in the fam). fyi a german shepherd is more aggressive by nature then a pitbull, just depends on how u raise them, almost like kids lol

[ August 12, 2011, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: SWEET03GT ]

Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:

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Originally posted by blackfifty:

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
I love how when something like this happens, pitbull owners come out of the woodworks defending the breed. These dogs are natural killers, its in their genes. Lol @ the owners getting booty hurt cause people vacate the area when you and your dog come to the park. Are you worried about the dogs feelings or your own lol? Everytime I see one, I want to shoot it in the face . Sure theyre some really calm trained ones out there, but theyre only calm around the owners and family. On the loose they're wild
animals and should be shot when seen
This has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've seen posted on this board and that's a bold statement. Pitbulls have been used in fighting rings they were not used to kill pregnant woman or children. It's so sad to see this happen I wish nothin but the best for the family of the attack. I can really care less if people leave the dog park when I show up with my pitty or walk across the street to avoid crossing paths, but when people start saying these dogs have it in their
genes to be agressive is dumb. I'm Mexican and just because I'm Latino don't mean I like menudo!!
Who cares what you think lol. First of all thats a horrible analogy and doesn't correlate at all. Look it up, they have been bred to have these aggresive traits, just like some breeds have other traits. Its not a hard concept to grasp. You're just another pitbull owner defending the breed, thats all. Don't get your panties in a bunch all over a pitbull dude, people died plain n simple. Humans > dogs

How does that analogy not correlate? Your generalizing an entire breed based on the actions or a small percentage. The only dog bread to be aggressive towards humans were Doberman pinchers and you never here the media blowing things out of proportions when a stupid owner doesnt take responsibility for their dog. Pitbulls are a loyal breed that want to please their owners which entails them to fight if they are trained to. Human understanding > human ignorance

Posted by a302juGRnuat (Member # 10163) on :

ill admit, i might be ignorant since im not a dog person anyways but i dont like pits cuz they scare melol.

i feel bad about this story but i hope the best for teh fam

Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :

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Originally posted by SWEET03GT:

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
Man there aee some ignorant fucks on this borad.. Let me school you guys on pitts.. Ok, pit bulls were bred and raised to fight, yes we all know that, in a ring(most times in a 5x5 box).. And their owners/trainers (of BOTH DOGS) were in the ring, down on the floor petting and cheering them on.. Also, prior to the match the owner of the other dog would rub ur dog down to check for any poisons or any other things that would give the dog an advantage.. So the dogs HAD to be people friendly and loyal.. Breeders would screen the pups starting when they were only weeks old and if they showed any aggression towards humans they were killed.. Hence the point im trying to make is they were NOT bred to be human aggressive.... They were breed to attack other animals/dogs.. But with careful training and being a responsible owner you can prevent ALL aaccidents.. I have a 2 year old pit bull named Mercedes and she the greatest dog.. And anyone that thinks all pits are holy terrors can come to my house and see for ur selves.. Oh but watch out for my 2 rotties
dude they were bred to fight bulls hence the name pit(bulls) they liked them because of there locking jaws. that way they would let a few at a time to kill or bring down a bull, they arent aggressive by nature (unless down the blood line there was a fighter in the fam). fyi a german shepherd is more aggressive by nature then a pitbull

You are right to a certain extent, yes they were bred for bull baiting, BUT when that was outlawed they needed a use for these Game dogs, so they tried out Ratting, dog fighting and hunting bear.. But you are wrong where they get there name from lol.. It was a bcuz they held matches in "pits".. And the "bull" part is bcuz they are a cross between a bull dog and some terrior, this is the reason they arent reconized by the AKC kennel club.. And dude I hope u dnt own a pitbull if u think they have "locking jaws".. It isnt possible for a dog to lock its jaws.. Pit bulls are tenacious and they didnt let go no matter how hard you pull and pry.. And youre right they arent agressive by nature.. In fact most are gentle, calm dogs..

Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :

All in all this is s sad story.. I really do believe and back 100% that in order you shud have to get a license and meet certain standards in order to own 1.. I hate, TRUELY HATE people that mistreat these dogs.. I mean come on, youre really that insecure about your self where u have to use a dog to make you appear "tuff"?? And to make it fight another dog?? Come on if youre into that type of stuff use ur dog to hunt wild boar! You see how tuff your pup really is

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

"Judge the owners not the breed" ?

Lol, come on now! Do you really think the US has the luxury of going door to door to 'judge' all the pitbull owners of America? The fact is that the breed is capable of killing people. This is reason enough to not let anyone own them, right? Or am I crazy lol? I know pitbull owners say its a sad story, but you guys could really care less because you're biased and you end up getting all defensive over the breed and actually start defending a dog over your own species lol. The world has enough problems with people killing people, we don't need to add to it by having pitbulls in the mix as well. This is something that actually could be controllable so why not just enforce it?

If that can't happen, I'm all for current and future pitbull owners having to go through some sort of regulation and licensing. [patriot]

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How does that analogy not correlate? Your generalizing an entire breed based on the actions or a small percentage.

Who cares if I'm generalizing lol, we're talking about dogs for christ sake! You're implying that small percentage shouldn't affect you and your dog as a pet/owner just because you think your dog is 'controlled', when the fact is that people died here due to the instinct of the very breed youre defending. I don't know about you guys, but that small percentage is enough for me. I'm sure you'd feel differently if it was your dog who killed someone. I know you'll never agree because as I stated before you're biased, so let's just agree to disagree [Wink]

[ August 12, 2011, 10:52 PM: Message edited by: CLEEN 50 ]

Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :

I love dogs and any breed can be aggressive, so a lot has to do with the owners personality and how they raise them. But like someone said these dogs are terriers and they do get trigger easily, I have a westie which he is a terrier and he is sweet, loving and loyal but he snaps very quick at other male dogs or squeaky noise its just in there nature. To me I would love to have a pit but me and the wife have to strong of a personality.

Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :

Just like we should outlaw guns because some dumb shits going around killing people our outlaw our mustangs because a few people race down the street and put others in jeopardy. Theres millions of pitbulls, and the handful of cases that get posted are negative ones that's b.s.

Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :

While were at it we can ban alcohol and call of duty because that leads to deaths as well.....

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

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Originally posted by blackfifty:
Just like we should outlaw guns because some dumb shits going around killing people our outlaw our mustangs because a few people race down the street and put others in jeopardy. Theres millions of pitbulls, and the handful of cases that get posted are negative ones that's b.s.

Again your comparison holds no weight lol. You're talking apples and oranges...humans and dogs. Defending the pitbull breed by comparing them to humans doesn't exactly help you out lol, just an FYI [Wink]

[ August 12, 2011, 11:11 PM: Message edited by: CLEEN 50 ]

Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
"Judge the owners not the breed" ?

Lol, come on now! Do you really think the US has the luxury of going door to door to 'judge' all the pitbull owners of America? The fact is that the breed is capable of killing people. This is reason enough to not let anyone own them, right? Or am I crazy lol? I know pitbull owners say its a sad story, but you guys could really care less because you're biased and you end up getting all defensive over the breed and actually start defending a dog over your own species lol. The world has enough problems with people killing people, we don't need to add to it by having pitbulls in the mix as well. This is something that actually could be controllable so why not just enforce it?

If that can't happen, I'm all for current and future pitbull owners having to go through some sort of regulation and licensing.

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How does that analogy not correlate? Your generalizing an entire breed based on the actions or a small percentage.
Who cares if I'm generalizing lol, we're talking about dogs for christ sake! You're implying that small percentage shouldn't affect you and your dog as a pet/owner just because you think your dog is 'controlled', when the fact is that people died here due to the instinct of the very breed youre defending. I don't know about you guys, but that small percentage is enough for me. I'm sure you'd feel differently if it was your dog who killed someone. I know you'll never agree because as I stated before you're biased, so let's just agree to disagree

Ur the most ignorant guy on here.. How about u own this breed of dog all of ur life before u judge one breed?? Besides, this story sounds fishy to me, bcuz if anyone has owned 2 or more dogs at at time know that dogs work in "packs", so if one dog was attacking the woman, why didnt the other jump in?? And I dnt see how ONE dog could have held this woman down and killed her.. Just dnt makes sense to me.. Im about 95% sure that once this autopsy is finished that the husband might be doing some time

Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :

So whos at fault in this attack the dog or the husband?

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

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Ur the most ignorant guy on here.. How about u own this breed of dog all of ur life before u judge one breed?? Besides, this story sounds fishy to me, bcuz if anyone has owned 2 or more dogs at at time know that dogs work in "packs", so if one dog was attacking the woman, why didnt the other jump in?? And I dnt see how ONE dog could have held this woman down and killed her.. Just dnt makes sense to me.. Im about 95% sure that once this autopsy is finished that the husband might be doing some time

You're the one playing half-assed detective and I'm the ignorant one lol? You want it to be untrue for the sake of you being a biased pitbull owner. My statements were bold and probably hit a nerve or 2, but again who cares lol. I have no problem being the 'ignorant' non-pitbull owner in here [Wink]

What you and I think is just a matter of opinion anyway, no one cares lol [Wink]

[ August 12, 2011, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: CLEEN 50 ]

Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:

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Ur the most ignorant guy on here.. How about u own this breed of dog all of ur life before u judge one breed?? Besides, this story sounds fishy to me, bcuz if anyone has owned 2 or more dogs at at time know that dogs work in "packs", so if one dog was attacking the woman, why didnt the other jump in?? And I dnt see how ONE dog could have held this woman down and killed her.. Just dnt makes sense to me.. Im about 95% sure that once this autopsy is finished that the husband might be doing some time
You're the one playing half-assed detective and I'm the ignorant one lol? You want it to be untrue for the sake of you being a biased pitbull owner. My statements were bold and probably hit a nerve or 2, but again who cares lol. I have no problem being the 'ignorant' non-pitbull owner in here What you and I think is just a matter of opinion anyway, no one cares lol

Kill the wife blame the dogs Scott Petersen's dumb ass should have come up with this rather then the fishing defense lol

Posted by bentley mobs a stang (Member # 11119) on :

Wow bunch of ignorance on here. Pitbulls are no different than any other dog. Sure their physical attributes are appealing to dog fighters, but it comes down to dumb stupid ass owners. It doesn't matter if a pitbulls puppys mom was aggressive. Just like a person doesn't have to be a kiler or a dope fiend just because their parents were. It has to do with HOW THEY ARE RAISED! If u beat ur dog to oblivion it will hate humans, even tho it may submit to u. Or if u don't socialize ur dog or u encourage bad behavior among other dogs, its gunna be aggressive toward other dogs. Common fucking sense! The same is true about Chihuahuas! In fact I see more misbehaved little dogs than I've seen misbehaved pits. Because owners with bad little dogs face no consequence because they are small. Bottom line is a good owner will raise a good dog. Pitbull, Chihuahua, golden retreiver. Doesn't matter

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

Lol, the problem with the above comparison is that Chihuahuas don't have a record of killing PEOPLE! Why is this not getting through...lol come on! You said it yourself..most dogs are misbehaved but there's no consequence because they are small and are not a threat to people...DUH! [Confused]

The term 'ignorant' gets thrown around too loosely when others don't agree lol. Call it what you want, 80% of people in this thread are pitbull owners defending the pitbull breed plain n simple. [Wink]

[ August 13, 2011, 12:00 AM: Message edited by: CLEEN 50 ]

Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :

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Originally posted by turbo50:

Fuckin dog tried some shit with my kid in the stroller with my wife pushing and my dog on a leash one time, happened to be a pit bull and it happened to be in Chico, I picked that mother fer up like I would a grown man and broke its back over my knee.......A pregnant woman? Not so lucky.

Again its a case by case..

10 to one these stories outweight any other breed.

Do the fuckin math.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5-yP8wjLiU

Posted by SteveL (Member # 1241) on :

The problem with the comparison is Chihuahuas, if they get out of hand, you just pick it up and put it in your pocket. Pit bulls and Rottweilers can be aggressive and powerful. Many times too powerful for their owners to control them and that makes them potently dangerous.

Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :

Again I am a DOG LOVER and I do LOVE pitbulls but unfortunately the statistics speak for themselves.

2010 U.S. Dog Bite Fatality Statistics - DogsBite.org
Fatal Dog Attack Statistics
DogsBite.org recorded 33 fatal dog attacks in 2010.1 Citations of each victim's story are located on the Fatality Citations page. The last year the CDC recorded and studied dog bite fatalities by breed was 1998. Likely due to pressures from pro-pit bull, animal advocacy and dog fancying groups, the CDC stopped studying these deaths by breed. The only other known entity that tracks this information is ANIMAL PEOPLE.2 DogsBite.org has joined in this effort.

2010 Dog Bite Fatalities

33 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2010. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 500 U.S. cities, pit bulls led these attacks accounting for 67% (22). Pit bulls make up approximately 5% of the total U.S. dog population.3
In 2010, the combination of pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (4) accounted for 79% of all fatal attacks. In the 6-year period from 2005 to 2010, this same combination accounted for 71% (129) of the total recorded deaths (181).

The combined breakdown between the two breeds is substantial. From 2005 to 2010, pit bulls killed 104 Americans, about one citizen every 21 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 25 Americans, about one citizen every 88 days.
2010 data shows that 61% (20) of the attacks occurred to children (11 years and younger) and 39% occurred to adults. Of the children, 75% (15) occurred to ages 4 and younger. Within this same age group, males represented 60% of the victims.
2010 data also shows that 33% (11) of the fatal incidents involved multiple dogs.4 Nearly a third, 30% (10), involved breeding on the dog owner's property either actively or in the recent past, and 9% (3) involved chained dogs.
Dog ownership information for 2010 shows that family dogs comprised 73% (24) of the attacks that resulted in death; 88% (29) of these incidents occurred on the dog owner's property and 12% (4) occurred off the owner's property.
The state of California led fatalities in 2010 with 7 deaths; pit bulls contributed to 83% (6). Florida followed with 3 deaths and Georgia, Illinois, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas each had 2 deaths.

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

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Originally posted by SteveL:
The problem with the comparison is Chihuahuas, if they get out of hand, you just pick it up and put it in your pocket. Pit bulls and Rottweilers can be aggressive and powerful. Many times too powerful for their owners to control them and that makes them potently dangerous.

THANK YOU! [patriot]

Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :

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Originally posted by turbo50:

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Originally posted by turbo50:

Fuckin dog tried some shit with my kid in the stroller with my wife pushing and my dog on a leash one time, happened to be a pit bull and it happened to be in Chico, I picked that mother fer up like I would a grown man and broke its back over my knee.......A pregnant woman? Not so lucky.
Again its a case by case..

10 to one these stories outweight any other breed.

Do the fuckin math.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5-yP8wjLiU

Man im not trying to hear all this media hype.. Ok tell me this, If there were two dog attacks, 1. A pit bull attacks a 8 year old, Kid is in hospital minor injuries
Or 2. A German sheppard attacks a toddler and rips his face off almost killing the kid..
Now you tell me which one will be in the news first?? Of course, the pit bull bcuz the media has mad pit bulls into these savage beast.. Yeah, there are accidents where poor ownership leads to an attack but you cant judge the entire breed bcuz of these.. Hell I was attacked by a bloodhound when i was a kid!!

Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on :

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
Hell I was attacked by a bloodhound when i was a kid!! [/QB]

But that's cause you were a black man in Alabama it was probably owned by this guy lol

[ August 13, 2011, 02:47 AM: Message edited by: fstryde3 ]

Posted by Ryan_LX (Member # 7089) on :

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Originally posted by macthizzle:
Sucks. I own a pit that will be 1 y/o on 8/21. i take him to dog parks,when i arrive people tend to leave. My dog is kid friendly and neutered. Just dont like how this breed is judged.

Same here, I have an 8 month old German shepherd and even when I'm only walking her ppl tend to walk the other way and get scared. Everyone fears these two bread, its all in how they are raised. My pup is a big teddy bear, I know plenty of pits that are the same way. [patriot]

Posted by SF Coupe (Member # 1810) on :

You people with pits can talk all you want about how the animal was raised. The simple fact is that pits have it in them to be aggressive and they have the tools to kill. They were bred for those traits. Your ignorant if you don't realize that. I'm not saying every pit is a menace but they all have the ability to become one, if by accident or not.

How many times have you heard of a Lab, Husky, or Golden Retriever kill someone. They may bark a lot but they just don't have it in them to take it to the next level.

Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :

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Originally posted by fstryde3:

quote:
Originally posted by hilltim54:
Hell I was attacked by a bloodhound when i was a kid!!
But that's cause you were a black man in Alabama it was probably owned by this guy lol

[/QB]

HAHAHAHAHAHA... Youre probably right!!.. So whats the last on the autopsy?? Its a sad but interesting story and i wanna know whats next..

Posted by DevonShelbyGT (Member # 8696) on :

what a terrible thing to happen, loose your love and your child in one day. i could never imagine their grief. theyll be in my prayers. RIP.

Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on :

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:

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Originally posted by blackfifty:
Just like we should outlaw guns because some dumb shits going around killing people our outlaw our mustangs because a few people race down the street and put others in jeopardy. Theres millions of pitbulls, and the handful of cases that get posted are negative ones that's b.s.
Again your comparison holds no weight lol. You're talking apples and oranges...humans and dogs. Defending the pitbull breed by comparing them to humans doesn't
exactly help you out lol, just an FYI

No sir ignorance it's the same thing. Your overreacting over a handful of incidents.

Posted by clone nprogrss (Member # 10342) on :

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
I love how when something like this happens, pitbull owners come out of the woodworks defending the breed. These dogs are natural killers, its in their genes. Lol @ the owners getting booty hurt cause people vacate the area when you and your dog come to the park. Are you worried about the dogs feelings or your own lol? Everytime I see one, I want to shoot it in the face . Sure theyre some really calm trained ones out there, but theyre only calm around the owners and family. On the loose they're wild animals and should be shot when seen

ur a bitch for even sayin some shit like that!! go shoot ur self in the face u punk! [Mad]

Posted by Ham n'Eggs (Member # 8967) on :

I get looks all the time. Come on. Who HASN'T seen a little monkey dressed as a Cowboy riding on top a Pit who has a saddle? Bitch please. Just try shooting Them. [Roll Eyes]

Posted by 1SLOWLX (Member # 558) on :

Rip i knew Greg never met his wife it's pretty said story. Greg i's a good guy Just a sad story.

Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :

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Originally posted by 1SLOWLX:
Rip i knew Greg never met his wife it's pretty said story. Greg i's a good guy Just a sad story.

So u knew this guy??

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

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Originally posted by clone nprogrss:

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
I love how when something like this happens, pitbull owners come out of the woodworks defending the breed. These dogs are natural killers, its in their genes. Lol @ the owners getting booty hurt cause people vacate the area when you and your dog come to the park. Are you worried about the dogs feelings or your own lol? Everytime I see one, I want to shoot it in the face . Sure theyre some really calm trained ones out there, but theyre only calm around the owners and family. On the loose they're wild animals and should be shot when seen
ur a bitch for even sayin some shit like that!! go shoot ur self in the face u punk!

Lol WHOA

easy there cowboy. Calm down [Wink]

Posted by anderthizzle (Member # 7910) on :

my kids have been around pitbulls there whole life from new born to the age 0f 17 and never once have any of them snapped or even growled at them.they use to climb all over them and pull there ears and tails all the time and they would just sit there and take it or lick them in the face.they would even bite there ears and tails and the dog will just lay there.and i felt safe when i had to go to work and leave them at home with the dog because i knew the dog wouldnt let nothing happen to them.only time they have hurt anyone is with there wagging tails.those things hurt when they wack you in the head.guns dont kill people buy themselves its the owner of the guns that kill people.

Posted by 93venom (Member # 778) on :

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Originally posted by hilltim54:

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Originally posted by 1SLOWLX:
Rip i knew Greg never met his wife it's pretty said story. Greg i's a good guy Just a sad story.
So u knew this guy??

yah albert grew up next to greg, i remember greg from back in the day- great guy, iraq vet, just a stand up guy. Sad to hear this happened to him.

Couldnt imagine he was a bad dog owner.
On page two someone posted stats that pits made up 5% of united states dog population and were responsible for 67% of human fatalities...the numbers dont add up, the dogs are dangerous. A guy down the street lets his pit walk up and down my street off leash because "hes a calm dog"...he ripped apart a neighbors lab last month.

[ August 13, 2011, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: 93venom ]

Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :

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Originally posted by anderthizzle:
my kids have been around pitbulls there whole life from new born to the age 0f 17 and never once have any of them snapped or even growled at them.they use to climb all over them and pull there ears and tails all the time and they would just sit there and take it or lick them in the face.they would even bite there ears and tails and the dog will just lay there.and i felt safe when i had to go to work and leave them at home with the dog because i knew the dog wouldnt let nothing happen to them.only time they have hurt anyone is with there wagging tails.those things hurt when they wack you in the head.guns dont kill people buy themselves its the owner of the guns that kill people.

Well there's clearly nothing wrong with them from this statement. There nothing but loving animals and I'm sure she thought the same thing.

Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :

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Originally posted by 93venom:

quote:
Originally posted by hilltim54:

quote:
Originally posted by 1SLOWLX:
Rip i knew Greg never met his wife it's pretty said story. Greg i's a good guy Just a sad story.
So u knew this guy??
yah albert grew up next to greg, i remember greg from back in the day- great guy, iraq vet, just a stand up guy. Sad to hear this happened to him.

Couldnt imagine he was a bad dog owner.
On page two someone posted stats that pits made up 5% of united states dog population and were responsible for 67% of human fatalities...the numbers dont add up, the dogs are dangerous. A guy down the street lets his pit walk up and down my street off leash because "hes a calm dog"...he ripped apart a neighbors lab last month.

That being said, did the neighbors lab charge or challenge the pit in anyway?? Im almost positive that this lab charged this dog and tried to take him on, which is a big NO NO... Pit bulls will not back down from a challege, this is why they get into so much trouble at dog parks and what not.. What I dnt understand is, ive owned pitbulls all my life and I have friends and family the same way and I have never witnessed or ever heard of my dogs or their dogs attacking anyone.. Im talking about maybe 100+ dogs.. Someone explain this tovme since they are such viscious beasts

Posted by SteveL (Member # 1241) on :

It's probably a very small percentage of the breed that's dangerous. Again, the point is if that breed does attack, the dog can be extremely aggressive and absolutely relentless.

Chow Chows have the same reputation. Quoting from wikipedia "Chows are an aggressive breed, fiercely protective of their people and property and should only be adopted by experienced dog owners who have the time and energy to devote to proper training and socialization."

When I see a kid walking his Chow / Pit Bull / Rott on the sidewalk past my house, I can only assume that this kid doesn't have the time or the money to properly train the dog. It's the only safe assumption. I make sure my family and my dog stays away and I keep a hatchet near by. This may sound cruel but if the dog attacks, lethal force is the only thing that will stop it.

Posted by bentley mobs a stang (Member # 11119) on :

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
Lol, the problem with the above comparison is that Chihuahuas don't have a record of killing PEOPLE! Why is this not getting through...lol come on! You said it yourself..most dogs are misbehaved but there's no consequence because they are small and are not a threat to people...DUH!

The term 'ignorant' gets thrown around too loosely when others don't agree lol. Call it what you want, 80% of people in this thread are pitbull owners defending the pitbull breed plain n simple.

Any dog over 40 lbs is a dangerous breed then. Plain and simple. Lab, Australian shepherd, springer spaniel, fuck it. Cuz if they are raised to be mean they will be, and they will most likely be able to fuck u up. What hurts the breeds name is all the stupid ppl who do the wrong things with pitbulls (and there's a lot of them because pitbulls are strong and athletic). It's easier to blame a breed than the stupidity of the owner. Might as well blame the Chrysler sebring for sideswiping u rather than the drunk guy driving it, based on ur logic.

Posted by bentley mobs a stang (Member # 11119) on :

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:

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Originally posted by clone nprogrss:

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
I love how when something like this happens, pitbull owners come out of the woodworks defending the breed. These dogs are natural killers, its in their genes. Lol @ the owners getting booty hurt cause people vacate the area when you and your dog come to the park. Are you worried about the dogs feelings or your own lol? Everytime I see one, I want to shoot it in the face . Sure theyre some really calm trained ones out there, but theyre only calm around the owners and family. On the loose they're wild animals and should be shot when seen
ur a bitch for even sayin some shit like that!! go shoot ur self in the face u punk!
Lol WHOA easy there cowboy. Calm down

u sir, are a poodle.

Posted by copcar (Member # 10113) on :

I love this arguement...So polarizing. Lets look at the facts and let them speak for themselves. Pitbulls were originally raised as working dogs for use in killing or subduing prey for human consumption. These targets include anything which shows its back to the sun and would taste good between two slices of bread. These targets are large and do not want to die and thus the dog bust be equal to the task. Example of this...When put against a Wild Boar the Pit Bull has a 30% chance of making it home in one piece. Better bring the bad ass and breed it... You get the idea. Your trusty Lab or Shepard is completely useless for this task. Humans bred this dog into existance for that purpose. It was never intended to be a pet, rather a tool. A killing weapon. Basically it is a shotgun on four legs. Is it any wonder they do what they were bred to do? Attack, Lock on, do not let go. If it does not do this as the hunting appliance it was intended for it does not come home alive, period. Have I owned a Pit? Yup. Dumbest, most stubborn, most loving, most protective living thing ever birthed. I'll never have another though. Too much poor/questionable breeding. A shotgun with a hair trigger.

[ August 15, 2011, 12:49 AM: Message edited by: copcar ]

Posted by LXjames (Member # 10791) on :

I'm pro pit bull. my boy Kerry is a breeder and breeds some of the best lookin pitts. Shit the first time I went there he had like 8 pitts and not one if them went crazy on me and these are bullies and maybe 1 or 2 of your standard pitts. I go there all the time and they respect me and I respect them.These are gentle beast and its all in how you raise them. BUT like a few smart guys said before me. Every beast has a purpose either in its genes or its teachings but it will come out.

Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on :

This is officially now a worthless post. It's pretty obvious where the mentality is with these dogs and no more bitching when they maul down a little kid or a soon to be mother in the future. There obviously loving, safe, wonderful household pets.

Posted by fredfifty (Member # 10320) on :

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Originally posted by fstryde3:
Again man I think it comes back to the owenrs, most pit bull owners, yes even you cafords don't try to play like it's not you, walk around trying to look like tough guys with their pit bulls, teaching them to fight, not taking care of them, etc. etc. just to make the dog tough and scary, that's why the dogs attack, even when you take care of the dogs you still try to make them look tough cropping their ears etc. It starts with the owner as always and don't deny it you know damn well if you're out with your pit you think youre a bad ass.

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

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Might as well blame the Chrysler sebring for sideswiping u rather than the drunk guy driving it, based on ur logic.

u sir, are a poodle.

Your comparison comparing a driver/car to a owner/pitbull is one of the dumbest I've ever heard lol. You sir, are an IDIOT [Wink]

[ August 15, 2011, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: CLEEN 50 ]

Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :

OMG!! Im tired if this freakin post.. I have a question for you pro pitbull and anti pitbull guys... If you came home from work and saw your child or wife laying on the floor unresponsive, and covered in blood, and the family dog standing over her..... What would you do to that dog?? Assuming that the dog was at fault for the injuries.. Lets see how many people say they will just put the dog in another room or outside

Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :

Anti-pitbull here [Big Grin]

Thats such an easy question lol. If that was my family who died, I wouldnt hesitate for a second. That dog would be dead plain n simple. I'm pretty sure most would do the same [Wink]

[ August 15, 2011, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: CLEEN 50 ]

Posted by fredfifty (Member # 10320) on :

I wouldnt waste my time killing something that has it coming...instead, i would secure the dog..and try and save my wife and unborn child..in a situation like that time is of the essence...that is if i cant tell if the killing was obviously fatal, like a dismemberment. Then all my anger, will be directed to the dog, 100 fold.

Posted by moeofit32 (Member # 10393) on :

everyone has there own opinion sad that a women and her child had to die....im gonna keep my opinion to myself and i jus gonna say everything is capable of killing in the right situation nobody knows what happen

Posted by macthizzle (Member # 3492) on :

If my family member was mauled by my pit i would shoot buster myself or stab him in the carotid.

Posted by Hele On (Member # 4107) on :

quote:
Originally posted by copcar:
I love this arguement...So polarizing. Lets look at the facts and let them speak for themselves. Pitbulls were originally raised as working dogs for use in killing or subduing prey for human consumption. These targets include anything which shows its back to the sun and would taste good between two slices of bread. These targets are large and do not want to die and thus the dog bust be equal to the task. Example of this...When put against a Wild Boar the Pit Bull has a 30% chance of making it home in one piece. Better bring the bad ass and breed it... You get the idea. Your trusty Lab or Shepard is completely useless for this task. Humans bred this dog into existance for that purpose. It was never intended to be a pet, rather a tool. A killing weapon. Basically it is a shotgun on four legs. Is it any wonder they do what they were bred to do? Attack, Lock on, do not let go. If it does not do this as the hunting appliance it was intended for it does not come home alive, period. Have I owned a Pit? Yup. Dumbest, most stubborn, most loving, most protective living thing ever birthed. I'll never have another though. Too much poor/questionable breeding. A shotgun with a hair trigger.

One of the best arguments so far! A Pit, or Rott, or any dog for that matter has been bred as a "tool" will always have the potential to cause severe damage and even cause death. I've owned 3 Rottweilers over the years. My brother recently brought a Rottie into his household and I asked him if he was willing to shoot/kill it should it attack a family member. He was dumfounded to say the least and had no clue as to where I was leading him with the question. It's as simple as this: A Pit Bull has the potential, and tools to kill. However, unlike a gun or a car, the Pit Bull comes with it's own mind, will, personality, perception, etc., and will decide on its own, or through manipulation, if it's going to use it's tools on someone or something. And no matter how loving, loyal, blah blah blah it is, it still holds the potential to kill, just like a revolver in Russian Roulette. Owning a dog of this nature is like pulling the trigger... you really don't know what's in the chamber. I'm all for owning whatever it is that you want, but you better be willing to own up to the consequences, should they arise.

[ August 16, 2011, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: Hele On ]

Posted by phonso302 (Member # 9260) on :

I wonder if this guy ever swore up and down the street his pits would never hurt anyone because he trained them right

Posted by bentley mobs a stang (Member # 11119) on :

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Originally posted by CLEEN 50:

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Might as well blame the Chrysler sebring for sideswiping u rather than the drunk guy driving it, based on ur logic.

u sir, are a poodle.
Your comparison comparing a driver/car to a owner/pitbull is one of the dumbest I've ever heard lol. You sir, are an IDIOT

My Pitbull can smell ur vagina from here...

Posted by Tony Montana (Member # 8288) on :

Everyone has valid points on both sides but at the same time your taking just as much risk driving your mustang 100 mph . Life is full of risks everyone will choose their own.

Posted by macthizzle (Member # 3492) on :

^^^^^^ WELL SAID

Posted by r1 (Member # 1144) on :

If every pitbull is bad then every fox body owner is a scum bad from the yay area whippin donuts in their fifty?? same stupid shit! Ignorance is ignorance. No place or room for it!

Posted by 93venom (Member # 778) on :

curiosity had me google this subject, found this insteresting. Most say pitbull owners are to blame, but the numbers dont add up. these are copy and pasted off dogbites.org. dont shoot the messenger...

Report: U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities January 2006
to December 2008
A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in a recent 3-year period. Pit bulls accounted for 59% followed by rottweilers with 14%.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period.
The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13).

Many U.S. courts have declared pit bulls as "lethal weapons." Police officers have the right to shoot and kill pit bulls when under threat or when protecting citizens. Examples of police officers shooting dangerous pit bulls are so common that DogsBite.org began tracking these instances in 2008. In a recent 11-year report released by the New York Police Department, the data showed that when dangerous dogs are shot 72% were pit bulls followed by rottweilers with 10%.7
The inability for the average person, much less a child or senior citizen, to stop an attacking pit bull may be the single most powerful reason why pit bulls must be regulated. A 2009 incident shows that Chicago police officers were forced to shoot an aggressive pit bull 10 times to stop the dog's assault. Prior to being shot to death, the dog attacked a pregnant woman, hospitalizing her.8 This incident clearly illustrates the undeniable public safety threat that pit bulls present.

Posted by phonso302 (Member # 9260) on :

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Originally posted by r1:
If every pitbull is bad then every fox body owner is a scum bad from the yay area whippin donuts in their fifty?? same stupid shit! Ignorance is ignorance. No place or room for it!

Here is the difference between a car and a dog. My car will only do what I make it do,it won't escape from my garage and run someone down. The dog on the other hand has his own mind,yeah you might have your dog under control when you are present but who controls your dog when he runs out and you are not around...

Its real simple, everyone has biased opinions. From the couple who was hit by a drunk teen driving a mustang, who know thinks every mustang owner is a threat on the road. To the old lady who was mugged by some minority teens,who freaks out when she sees minority teens. Dogs are the same situation. We frequently see in the news how pitbulls are involved in attacks,your brain sets off your spider senses when you see a pit if you are not use to being around them.

Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on :

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Originally posted by phonso302:

quote:
Originally posted by r1:
If every pitbull is bad then every fox body owner is a scum bad from the yay area whippin donuts in their fifty?? same stupid shit! Ignorance is ignorance. No place or room for it!
Here is the difference between a car and a dog. My car will only do what I make it do,it won't escape from my garage and run someone down. The dog on the other hand has his own mind,yeah you might have your dog under control when you are present but who controls your dog when he runs out and you are not around...

Its real simple, everyone has biased opinions. From the couple who was hit by a drunk teen driving a mustang, who know thinks every mustang owner is a threat on the road. To the old lady who was mugged by some minority teens,who freaks out when she sees minority teens. Dogs are the same situation. We frequently see in the news how pitbulls are involved in attacks,your brain sets off your spider senses when you see a pit if you are not use to being around them.

Some great points here

I learned something this weekend, thought people reading this thread might find interesting: 95% of dog attacks are un-neutered males, while the other 5% are comprised of neutered males, and both spayed/unaltered females.

Seems fairly straight-forward to me - if you are gonna take the responsibility/liability of owning a 'dangerous' breed, why not just lower your risk SIGNIFICANTLY by having the dog neutered?

Any pit bull owners willing to answer this?

Phil

[ August 16, 2011, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: phil a ]

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