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Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
As already know on this board there are tons of "Ported GT40 Iron" fanboys here...

They sware up and down that they have the best head for half the cost.. they must have gotten the heads for free since "Good Port work" isn't free...

I vote for aluminum heads all day..

I've been told the ported GT40 Irons can put out some power...

So here is your guys shot to shut me and some other board members up that I'd rather not name [Smile]

Post some convincing dyno sheets, dyno vids of GT40 Iron headed comboms putting out some nice #'s (300RWHP+)

you must have all accessories hooked up. anyone can make more power with no smog, no a/c, no powersteering, and electrice water pump..

A typical aluminum headed H/C/I with a tune puts out 300RWHP + with full accessiories..

I want to see some Iron GT40 headed combos with full accessiories put out that much..

I'm not bashing GT40's at all so don't take it that way.. we just need to settle this once and for all...

My vote= Aluminum [patriot]
 
Posted by Slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
AFR's FTW
 
Posted by Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
03 Cobra Heads FTW
 
Posted by Adam5.0 (Member # 6995) on :
 
I didnt know there was a debate? The only advantage about gt40 Irons is the cost. They are the poor man's Aluminum heads.
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Adam5.0:
I didnt know there was a debate? The only advantage about gt40 Irons is the cost. They are the poor man's Aluminum heads.

There is.. I have been given a lot of crap before for saying GT40 Irons ported suck when compared to aluminums hahaha
 
Posted by theturbofrdguy (Member # 10224) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cali95gt:
quote:
Originally posted by Adam5.0:
I didnt know there was a debate? The only advantage about gt40 Irons is the cost. They are the poor man's Aluminum heads.

There is.. I have been given a lot of crap before for saying GT40 Irons ported suck when compared to aluminums hahaha
GT40 irons do not compare to aluminum heads...the only benefit stated before is they are great for broke ass people.
 
Posted by Eddie510- (Member # 2354) on :
 
haulinass maro ran 10's with gt40s [worship]
 
Posted by Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Eddie510-:
haulinass maro ran 10's with gt40s [worship]

got pics?
 
Posted by trickflow211 (Member # 8503) on :
 
I thought iron heads also burned the fuel more efficiently??...
 
Posted by theturbofrdguy (Member # 10224) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Eddie510-:
haulinass maro ran 10's with gt40s [worship]

Still doesnt make them better then aluminum heads
 
Posted by 70mach351 (Member # 7528) on :
 
i got ported vic jr's. everything depends on your budget.
 
Posted by racsirx (Member # 1710) on :
 
Well I made 508RWHP & 548RWTQ with some GT40P heads with a turbo with 12lbs of boost, they just werent made to handle that much power, kept blowing head gaskets, switch to some TFS heads with 14lbs of boost and made 531RWHP & 534RWTQ.
 
Posted by 2TONE (Member # 4216) on :
 
No contest aluminum heads all the way
 
Posted by Notch1320 (Member # 2647) on :
 
The combination of parts is everything!!!

In the end, money is always the limiting/deciding factor for most people.

Some guys spend huge dollars to make a GT-40 headed combination perform for a speific class while others are just happy with out of the box aluminum heads. There are plenty of cars going fast with GT-40's... well into the 10's for that matter.

Look at any car in NMRA Factory Stock, and read the rules for that class to see some serious power and shocking ET's from a dedicated group of racers with very limited parts list. It takes some big money to run with them, and actually, the class champ for the past few years runs "unported" E-7's when 90% of them run GT-40's, orGT-40p's. Oh... and they run power steering and pullied water pumps too. No Smog or A/C though.

For the average guy, you can't beat the standard aluminum H/C/I package...unless you are willing to spend some a good mount of money, and/or have the smarts to piece a combination together with the GT-40's.

My own car makes well over 300RWHP with unported E-7's, stock intake, stock throttle body, stock stamped steel rockers and stock lift cam....it wasn't easy, and it certainly was NOT cheap...

There will always be a heated debate on this subject, and someone will always be faster...

Maybe we should set up a little shootout between the two combinations???

This post could get real interesting....

If you are one of the die-hard debaters on either side of this debate, then how about putting your money where your mouth is and get in the other lane!!!
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trickflow211:
I thought iron heads also burned the fuel more efficiently??...

I thought JohnB called this BS????

Where are all the GT40 Gurus at [Confused]

Stand up for your parts [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Where were you guys at when they were bashing me hahaha
 
Posted by Sic Wit it 50 (Member # 4119) on :
 
+1 AFR's
 
Posted by 92 ssp (Member # 8013) on :
 
Trick flow r heads over here lol... best money ever spent

[ September 26, 2010, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: 92 ssp ]
 
Posted by 510cpskid (Member # 8277) on :
 
trickflow wedge heads for the win if your rockin gt40's its like having sex with a condom its just not the same
 
Posted by wilit (Member # 3367) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Eddie510-:
haulinass maro ran 10's with gt40s [worship]

He probably would have run 9's if he had some AFR's. [Big Grin]

Like it's already been said before, you can't compare iron heads to aluminum heads. GT40's aren't even the best iron head, World Product iron heads are better.
 
Posted by BLK 90 GT 5.0 (Member # 7534) on :
 
I have gt-40 cast heads with just alil port work thanx to previous owner and I like them. I'm pretty much beatin if not keepin up with ppl with same set up if not with more than me with afrs or tf aluminum heads so I think its all in how u build ur car. I haven't dynoed my car yet but my guess is I'm puttin down 300+
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BLK 90 GT 5.0:
I have gt-40 cast heads with just alil port work thanx to previous owner and I like them. I'm pretty much beatin if not keepin up with ppl with same set up if not with more than me with afrs or tf aluminum heads so I think its all in how u build ur car. I haven't dynoed my car yet but my guess is I'm puttin down 300+

Strap that thing to a dyno asap.. I want to see #'s

I'm suprised nobdy has thrown up a vid or dyno sheet of their magical GT40 Iron headed combos [Confused]

are the people who sware by the Ported Irons the ones who never make it to a dyno for real results [Confused] [Confused] [Confused]
 
Posted by 84SVOrick (Member # 9039) on :
 
Obvisiously i have gt40s, gettin sum work done on them currently. Cast iron heads are stRonger but heavier. Alumin heads are lighter. One doesnt flow better then the other if they have the same ports. Actually fuel atomizes better with irons. If you own a heavier car your gonna need the weight loss.
My car personally doesnt need the diet, its light already.if your ballin get alumin, if your broke like me get irons.

But its all on the person. Me im the underdog, i love usin the "im stock officer, just cai and mufflers"
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
Obvisiously i have gt40s, gettin sum work done on them currently. Cast iron heads are stRonger but heavier. Alumin heads are lighter. One doesnt flow better then the other if they have the same ports. Actually fuel atomizes better with irons. If you own a heavier car your gonna need the weight loss.
My car personally doesnt need the diet, its light already.if your ballin get alumin, if your broke like me get irons.

But its all on the person. Me im the underdog, i love usin the "im stock officer, just cai and mufflers"

Wont the cost of of GT40 Irons+ Cost of Port Work/Valve work= out of the box aluminums in the long run??

98% of board members are broke so don't feel alone I'm broke as well [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

I'm just trying to settle this never ending arguement thats always had between me and some friends.

Rick once you get that combo done strap it down and let me see some #'s or somebody else here post up some #'s

We need to figure this out asap
 
Posted by 84SVOrick (Member # 9039) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cali95gt:
quote:
Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
Obvisiously i have gt40s, gettin sum work done on them currently. Cast iron heads are stRonger but heavier. Alumin heads are lighter. One doesnt flow better then the other if they have the same ports. Actually fuel atomizes better with irons. If you own a heavier car your gonna need the weight loss.
My car personally doesnt need the diet, its light already.if your ballin get alumin, if your broke like me get irons.

But its all on the person. Me im the underdog, i love usin the "im stock officer, just cai and mufflers"

Wont the cost of of GT40 Irons+ Cost of Port Work/Valve work= out of the box aluminums in the long run??

98% of board members are broke so don't feel alone I'm broke as well [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

I'm just trying to settle this never ending arguement thats always had between me and some friends.

Rick once you get that combo done strap it down and let me see some #'s or somebody else here post up some #'s

We need to figure this out asap

yeah fa sho, cost of gt40 $200-300. Port work 300-500 depending on where and how much porting. Then with comparable heads use a flow bench. Should be about the same. But based on casting gt40s have a port limit. Depends on wut kind of power you want. Im not a drag racer, i do big, small, and medium donut for now, but om planning on makin my car a road course car. Love the twisties
 
Posted by BLK 90 GT 5.0 (Member # 7534) on :
 
Its all in who u know on the cost on port work and a valve job is only 100 where I come from and I got mine with port work already. So my thing is I'm a broke mofo and I had the choice buy the aluminum heads and be broker and not pay rent (cause I do live alone not with my parents) and no food in my fridge for the fam or buy gt-irons and get same results just alil heavyer and pay my rent and feed my kid I went with the irons. And almost everyone I know with aluminum heads have a lot of probs from always blowin gaskets and or worping them so in the long run irons are cheaper and u get same if not better results.
 
Posted by Adam5.0 (Member # 6995) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
Cast iron heads are stRonger but heavier. Actually fuel atomizes better with irons. If you own a heavier car your gonna need the weight loss.

Wrong and wrong. Cast iron heads are pretty much ancient history. Its hard to find them used on any cars made in the last 5 years or so.

So basically we have established that with port work they can flow just as well as aluminum. but if we port some aluminum. heads the gt40 are still beat.

weight is everything in the speed game. aluminum heads weight 50lbs less and everything counts. you can have a 1000 hp engine in a tank, that doesnt mean it will be fast.

I still think there is no question on which one is better. no one said you cant make power with gt40's but you have alot more potential with Aluminum stuff.
 
Posted by 2slow2go (Member # 9159) on :
 
No debate gt irons suck. Only reason people have them is because they can't afford aluminum or they are racing a stock class. I have many friends that have aluminum and no one blows gaskets or warps shit.
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Adam5.0:
quote:
Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
Cast iron heads are stRonger but heavier. Actually fuel atomizes better with irons. If you own a heavier car your gonna need the weight loss.

Wrong and wrong. Cast iron heads are pretty much ancient history. Its hard to find them used on any cars made in the last 5 years or so.

So basically we have established that with port work they can flow just as well as aluminum. but if we port some aluminum. heads the gt40 are still beat.

weight is everything in the speed game. aluminum heads weight 50lbs less and everything counts. you can have a 1000 hp engine in a tank, that doesnt mean it will be fast.

I still think there is no question on which one is better. no one said you cant make power with gt40's but you have alot more potential with Aluminum stuff.

This debate is about Ported GT40 Irons vs out of the box Aluminums not ported Aluminums..

If the cost of the heads is similar, than might as well save weight and get aluminum right [Confused] [Confused] [Confused]

I'm liking the feedback from everyone..

Now heres a new idea: lets et up a few runs between the Iron head step-children and the aluminum headed "Jocs" haha.. I got a camera fellas...

I'm not in any category so don't think your running me...
 
Posted by Adam5.0 (Member # 6995) on :
 
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[ September 27, 2010, 12:49 AM: Message edited by: Adam5.0 ]
 
Posted by 84SVOrick (Member # 9039) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Adam5.0:
quote:
Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
Cast iron heads are stRonger but heavier. Actually fuel atomizes better with irons. If you own a heavier car your gonna need the weight loss.

Wrong and wrong.
Lol cant be really wrong. beating up cast irons is like beating up carbs, yes its old technology but tried and true just like cast irons lol. They get the job done ON A BUDGET lol. Yes alumn is new and light and shiney but cast is rugged and holds heat better per mr. Doug borders race engine builder at wyotech. Yes off the shelf alumin is better due to castings, but If casted out of the same mold they will PERFORM the same
 
Posted by phildog (Member # 1214) on :
 
I never knew there was a debate. They are both junk!


The aluminum GT40's can at least be recycled into beer cans.

[ September 27, 2010, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: phildog ]
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by phildog:
I never knew there was a debate. They are both junk!


The aluminum ones can at least be recycled into beer cans.

hahaha.. whats better?? titanium heads
 
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on :
 
lol! beer cans!!!
 
Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
going out and spending the $$$ on porting some gt40's prolly isnt the smartest idea..i bout some castings that had a bent valve for a low price ended up getting them ported for a greater price from a guy who def has the experiance with those heads..bought a valve spring kit new valves and hardend valve seats..low budget build..if you have the money hell yea buy some afr's or trickflows..but for a person like me who couldnt fork over 1400$ at the moment..buy your gt40's save up more $ get them ported and you can make some good numbers..but if you got the cash by all means go aluminum [patriot] ..only reason i went with gt40's was price..but not everyone has this deal that i came across..
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jaejae:
going out and spending the $$$ on porting some gt40's prolly isnt the smartest idea..i bout some castings that had a bent valve for a low price ended up getting them ported for a greater price from a guy who def has the experiance with those heads..bought a valve spring kit new valves and hardend valve seats..low budget build..if you have the money hell yea buy some afr's or trickflows..but for a person like me who couldnt fork over 1400$ at the moment..buy your gt40's save up more $ get them ported and you can make some good numbers..but if you got the cash by all means go aluminum [patriot] ..only reason i went with gt40's was price..but not everyone has this deal that i came across..

Very well put.. too bad we don't have your deal
 
Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cali95gt:
quote:
Originally posted by jaejae:
going out and spending the $$$ on porting some gt40's prolly isnt the smartest idea..i bout some castings that had a bent valve for a low price ended up getting them ported for a greater price from a guy who def has the experiance with those heads..bought a valve spring kit new valves and hardend valve seats..low budget build..if you have the money hell yea buy some afr's or trickflows..but for a person like me who couldnt fork over 1400$ at the moment..buy your gt40's save up more $ get them ported and you can make some good numbers..but if you got the cash by all means go aluminum [patriot] ..only reason i went with gt40's was price..but not everyone has this deal that i came across..

Very well put.. too bad we don't have your deal
lol i got lucky i guess..i would have rather gotten a deal on some afr's [Big Grin]
 
Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
300hp combo

http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1037611

300 hp dyno pass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekRxT1iX9GY
 
Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
and another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlwWMqMjHU
 
Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
this guys ran a 11.9 with gt40's

http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1036355
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jaejae:
300hp combo

http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1037611

300 hp dyno pass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekRxT1iX9GY

Finally!!!!!

Thanks for the info.. I want to see more.. hahaha
 
Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cali95gt:
quote:
Originally posted by jaejae:
300hp combo

http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1037611

300 hp dyno pass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekRxT1iX9GY

Finally!!!!!

Thanks for the info.. I want to see more.. hahaha

sounds like your a undercover gt40 iron lover [Razz] ..its ok i love these heads to [Wink] ..ive got a whole bunch of shit on these heads ill post more ina sec
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jaejae:
quote:
Originally posted by cali95gt:
quote:
Originally posted by jaejae:
300hp combo

http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1037611

300 hp dyno pass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekRxT1iX9GY

Finally!!!!!

Thanks for the info.. I want to see more.. hahaha

sounds like your a undercover gt40 iron lover [Razz] ..its ok i love these heads to [Wink] ..ive got a whole bunch of shit on these heads ill post more ina sec
How'd you know [Wink] I've searched multiple boards and seen good #'s but I just want to see if some fellow CAFORD members have done the same...

Maybe I should get some GT40 Irons.. would I be cool enough than [Cool]
 
Posted by phildog (Member # 1214) on :
 
Gt40's are are obsolete technology. There is way better technology available now. Gt40 combos can be fast, but they are fast in spite of the heads, not because of them. Gt40's, whether iron or aluminum, are better than E7's tho, lol.
 
Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on :
 
AFRs ftmfw!!!!
 
Posted by 87TURBO (Member # 9257) on :
 
96 explore motor, non ported, with e cam 1.7 roker, full exouse long tubes, cdi,70tb 294rw 330tq! 100 shot dry kit pump gas made 367rw 470tq! with 100 shot wet kit 444rw 596t on 114 race gas! all on dyno jet untouch heads gt40s heads with berly ported upper ntake! i seen sock 302 shorblock with afterker aluminum h/c/i make little over 300
 
Posted by 87TURBO (Member # 9257) on :
 
g40s aluminum are not much better that gt40 irons non ported! look at the price diffrents between non ported iron to aluminums! use iron gt40s are cheap like 3 hundo or cheaper at pick in pull! buget .... if you boys campare gt40s aluminum too triflow tw heads! triflow head will shit on gt40s aluminum and iron! in other words for the money gt 40s aluminum are crap

[ September 28, 2010, 04:20 AM: Message edited by: 87TURBO ]
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 87TURBO:
96 explore motor, non ported, with e cam 1.7 roker, full exouse long tubes, cdi,70tb 294rw 330tq! 100 shot dry kit pump gas made 367rw 470tq! with 100 shot wet kit 444rw 596t on 114 race gas! all on dyno jet untouch heads gt40s heads with berly ported upper ntake! i seen sock 302 shorblock with afterker aluminum h/c/i make little over 300

Still the Aluminum headed combo makes more as you stated.. you just reinforced the arguement.

Aluminum > GT40 Iron

Thanks [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

But lets get some runs set-up between the two different combos.. I have a camera fellas.. [Wink]
 
Posted by sic70stang (Member # 4347) on :
 
Some people like gt40s just as some people like fat women. I guess someone's gotta do it.
 
Posted by 84SVOrick (Member # 9039) on :
 
If trick flow casted alumin heads from a gt40 mold it would run the same as of they were cast iron. Get wut im sayin alumin cost 3x more the stock gt40.

Gt40 are like nikes (easy to get, very affordable)

Alumn is like space jam jordans (ballin, cars get stolen lmao j/k)
 
Posted by sic70stang (Member # 4347) on :
 
These would better describe gt40s


 -
 
Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
If trick flow casted alumin heads from a gt40 mold it would run the same as of they were cast iron. Get wut im sayin alumin cost 3x more the stock gt40.

Gt40 are like nikes (easy to get, very affordable)

Alumn is like space jam jordans (ballin, cars get stolen lmao j/k)

LOL, I'll beat someones ass for some space jam jordans. And your irons will get their ass beat everytime, witcha broke ass.
 -
 
Posted by copcar (Member # 10113) on :
 
Here ya go,

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1651/12262009083012am.jpg

My car actually made the exact same power numbers with the catted X pipe and all smog attached. I was able to run a little more timing with the smog legal setup.

dyno vid: sound quality sucks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlwWMqMjHU

[ September 28, 2010, 09:10 PM: Message edited by: copcar ]
 
Posted by trickflow211 (Member # 8503) on :
 
I got Gt40s I'm down to recycle someone with aluminums [Wink]
 
Posted by 86gt (Member # 6395) on :
 
GT40s SUUUHHHHUUUCK
 
Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by copcar:
Here ya go,

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1651/12262009083012am.jpg

My car actually made the exact same power numbers with the catted X pipe and all smog attached. I was able to run a little more timing with the smog legal setup.

dyno vid: sound quality sucks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlwWMqMjHU

had no clue you were local..im 707notchback..you gotta take me for a ride [burnout]
 
Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by copcar:
Here ya go,

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1651/12262009083012am.jpg

My car actually made the exact same power numbers with the catted X pipe and all smog attached. I was able to run a little more timing with the smog legal setup.

dyno vid: sound quality sucks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlwWMqMjHU

Nice.. someone from the board finally proved me wrong with their own car.. Hopefully i see you on the road sometime.. we are both located on the peninsula..

I'm still going to send you my parts list also.. just been lazy lol
 
Posted by copcar (Member # 10113) on :
 
Cool, hope to see you too, just let me know on your build.
 
Posted by Joshua (Member # 14769) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 2slow2go:
No debate gt irons suck. Only reason people have them is because they can't afford aluminum or they are racing a stock class. I have many friends that have aluminum and no one blows gaskets or warps shit.

No hate on aluminum heads, actually envy. But my iron gt40 headed hr 306 would make your jaw drop when you see the dyno sheet the entire combo has less than $800 into it (port work, and all other work done by me along with getting the heads from a junkyard) with a .535 lift custom ground cam and a dual plane intake it put down 338whp and 325lbft so you might wanna be paying closer attention who your calling broke mofos when they’ll stomp out your petty $2000 combo
 
Posted by Boss 327 (Member # 9143) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Joshua:
quote:
Originally posted by 2slow2go:
No debate gt irons suck. Only reason people have them is because they can't afford aluminum or they are racing a stock class. I have many friends that have aluminum and no one blows gaskets or warps shit.

No hate on aluminum heads, actually envy. But my iron gt40 headed hr 306 would make your jaw drop when you see the dyno sheet the entire combo has less than $800 into it (port work, and all other work done by me along with getting the heads from a junkyard) with a .535 lift custom ground cam and a dual plane intake it put down 338whp and 325lbft so you might wanna be paying closer attention who your calling broke mofos when they’ll stomp out your petty $2000 combo
Way to bring back a 10 year old thread and try to talk shit to someone who doesn't post on here anymore. [Cool]
 
Posted by SLOWBACK 67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Boss 327:
quote:
Originally posted by Joshua:
quote:
Originally posted by 2slow2go:
No debate gt irons suck. Only reason people have them is because they can't afford aluminum or they are racing a stock class. I have many friends that have aluminum and no one blows gaskets or warps shit.

No hate on aluminum heads, actually envy. But my iron gt40 headed hr 306 would make your jaw drop when you see the dyno sheet the entire combo has less than $800 into it (port work, and all other work done by me along with getting the heads from a junkyard) with a .535 lift custom ground cam and a dual plane intake it put down 338whp and 325lbft so you might wanna be paying closer attention who your calling broke mofos when they’ll stomp out your petty $2000 combo
Way to bring back a 10 year old thread and try to talk shit to someone who doesn't post on here anymore. [Cool]
Plus he said he's only 800 into his motor. I think his math is off.
 




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