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Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
That's right just got an email straight from apple saying the iPhone 4 will be coming out on the 15th and I can preorder this oh yea still with AT&T just put my order in damn the specs on this phone is off da hook. Who else is getting one?
 
Posted by its50 (Member # 4069) on :
 
how much are they going for???
 
Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by its50:
how much are they going for???
$199 for the 16g and $299 for the 32g... the 3G-S will be $99. I heard that if you go with the new 4g you can expect your bill to increase another $15-25 a month due to some of the new technology.. [Confused]

Either way, I am right behind you on ordering it... I thought it wasn't going to be available until the 24th... I am excited!
 
Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
^ If you have a current smart phone plan then you can keep that dAta plan but if you don't have a current smartphone plan then They have a 2 megabyte plan for $15 or 2 gigabyte plan for $25 if you go over it's like $10 more for either but I guess I don't have to worry about this because of the current unlimited plan i'm on now can't wait for it;-D
 
Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
I'm a sucker for new tech but the wireless price gouging is getting too far. Consumers are going brain dead wanting the new iphone (which looks to be awesome) and don't realize AT&T is ripping them off.

AT&T just restructured their data plans and it coincidently happens on th same day of Iphone announcement. They got rid of their $30 dollar unlimited plan and are tiering it 2GB for $25 dollars and $15 for 200MB of data. Iphones especially are portable media devices and 2gb is nowhere near enough for streaming or tethering. On top of that The "new technology" and "4g speeds" is not exactly new and they've had the technology for quite some time now.

I am sure Verizon and the other major carriers will eventually follow suit. The early release and the early upgrade "hookup" is merely the bait to reel you in. In the coming months Verizon will use the upcoming Android lineup and do the same thing. The only way around this is to pay full price for the iphone and grandfather your current 30 unlimited data plan.
 
Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on :
 
I too have the unlimited data plan right now, but are you saying that if I upgrade to the new iPhone 4 I will have to agree to the new tiered system or pay full price to be grandfathered in?

I call [BS flag] if that is the case!


Edit: I just read this article on the true cost of purchasing and owning an iPhone or any smartphone for that matter... here is the link

http://www.notebooks.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-cost/

From what I read those who already have an iPhone unlimited data plan and want to upgrade will be able to keep that unlimited data plan.

[ June 08, 2010, 05:28 AM: Message edited by: rgtrahn ]
 
Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 50Reasons:
^ If you have a current smart phone plan then you can keep that dAta plan but if you don't have a current smartphone plan then They have a 2 megabyte plan for $15 or 2 gigabyte plan for $25 if you go over it's like $10 more for either but I guess I don't have to worry about this because of the current unlimited plan i'm on now can't wait for it;-D
I read somewhere that there will be an additional surcharge on top of the data plan/ text messaging/ voice plan for the new iPhone 4... I guess we will all have to wait and see.
 
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on :
 
Pre order is on the 15th. They'll be available on the 24th.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
anyone know what the out of contract price is?
if its about $600 may be worth it to sell your 3gs for about 300 and skip even restarting a contract cuz if you're like me, u cant wait to get out of AT&T's crappy network.
 
Posted by 84SVOrick (Member # 9039) on :
 
I sell cell phones, the htc evo is waaaaaaaa!aaaaay better, plus the att network is GARBADGE
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
I sell cell phones, the htc evo is waaaaaaaa!aaaaay better, plus the att network is GARBADGE
yes, att is garbage and thats a big reason id be more inclined to paying out of pocket outright for the iphone 4.
so what is better about the htc evo spec wise?
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
okay lets see a comparison
i guess depending on what is more important to you, i can see one going with either phone.

strictly looking at specs, iphone has a high res screen, 3x the apps, has more standard internal memory, longer battery life and thinnest profile of all smart phones.
while evo has a larger display, upgradable memory, high res camera, is on a superior network to at&t and is also cheaper.

i think within the next 2 years with the android app market growing the iphone will have less of an advantage over other phones since most smart phone manufacturers can compete in terms of hardware. the biggest selling point for me w/ the iphone has been the apps but that is becoming less of an advantage.


display
evo 4.3inches(480x800)
iphone4 3.5inches(960x640)

cpu
evo: 1ghz(512 ram)
iphone4: apple a4 chip 1ghz, hi speed and battery saving

ports
evo: usb 2.0 micro usb port
iphone4: std iphone/ipad jack

storage
evo: 1gb internal + microsd slot
iphone4: up to 32gb internal storage

os
evo: android
iphone4: ios4

battery
evo: removable 146hr standby time
iphone4: internal 300hr standby time

cam
evo: 8mp rear/1.3mp front
iphone: 4 5mp rear/has front camera

connectivity
evo and iphone4: wifi, bluetooth

apps
evo: 70k
iphone4: 215k

carriers
evo: sprint-nextel
iphone4: at&t

price
evo: 200
iphone4: 300
both w/ 2 year contracts
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
Im going evo...From a app developer standpoint the SDK for android is soooo much better IMO. I'd rather develop for Android. But....the gyroscope thing in the new iphone and some of the enhancements are tasty. I say droid catches up quickly on apps. I hopefully can grab a evo this weekend. I absolutely hate AT&T plus AT&T has 4g. But it is not really offered in Stockton yet, plus I heard 4g drains battery a bit more.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
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Posted by FoX GT (Member # 4587) on :
 
iphone FTW.

Here are pictures I've taken from iPhone 3Gs

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here are a few more:
http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc53/CAFords/iPhone%20Photography/
 
Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
I too have the unlimited data plan right now, but are you saying that if I upgrade to the new iPhone 4 I will have to agree to the new tiered system or pay full price to be grandfathered in?

I call [BS flag] if that is the case!


Edit: I just read this article on the true cost of purchasing and owning an iPhone or any smartphone for that matter... here is the link

http://www.notebooks.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-cost/

From what I read those who already have an iPhone unlimited data plan and want to upgrade will be able to keep that unlimited data plan.
I didn't get the impression that they changed the grand fathering policy from that link. In any case, in the past the only way to keep your current plan is to buy the phone at full retail price. All "upgrade" pricing came with a contract renewal and since they don't offer the unlimited plan anymore, you get stuck with the new 25 dollar plan.

There are people out there such as myself who still have true unlimited data plans (even todays unlimited data plans are capped around 25GBs) and 7pm to 7am offpeak. The moment I buy any handset at a promotion price, I lose my old plan.
 
Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
I sell cell phones, the htc evo is waaaaaaaa!aaaaay better, plus the att network is GARBADGE
yes, att is garbage and thats a big reason id be more inclined to paying out of pocket outright for the iphone 4.
so what is better about the htc evo spec wise?
Android is a more robust and capable operating system. Off the top of my head Android allows for true multi tasking that is similar to computing, multiple live updates on multiple screens, and flash support (this could be just a Steve Jobs thing) But Apple will market well, throw accessories galore at the consumer, and somehow brainwash people into thinking Iphone 4 OS is a breakthrough in technology.
 
Posted by Wolfie351 (Member # 651) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
I sell cell phones, the htc evo is waaaaaaaa!aaaaay better, plus the att network is GARBADGE
yes, att is garbage and thats a big reason id be more inclined to paying out of pocket outright for the iphone 4.
so what is better about the htc evo spec wise?
Android is a more robust and capable operating system. Off the top of my head Android allows for true multi tasking that is similar to computing, multiple live updates on multiple screens, and flash support
These are things that 90% of phone buyers don't care about and that's who Apple is catering to. There are some fantastic Android phones out there and I'm actually jealous of most of their features. But, Google's big mistake is not setting any standards for manufacturers. The differing screen resolutions, different button configurations, different connectors and some manufacturers are even putting their own software on top of the Android OS. This is a problem for developers, accessory makers and buyers. For example, I have the exact same iPhone car stereo integration kit that I used since my gen 1 iPhone. And, I'm not just talking about using the headphone jack to play music, I get full iPod control and phone functionality through my car stereo with no dangly wires all over the place. And, with each new iPhone purchase, I don't have to keep buying a new integration kit like I would with Android phones from varoius manufacturers. I'm not sure if I'll be buying the iPhone 4, but if I do, I'm 100% certain that all my accessories (car kits, chargers, connectors, cables, etc) won't have to be re-purchased. And, that's very important to me
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by 84SVOrick:
I sell cell phones, the htc evo is waaaaaaaa!aaaaay better, plus the att network is GARBADGE
yes, att is garbage and thats a big reason id be more inclined to paying out of pocket outright for the iphone 4.
so what is better about the htc evo spec wise?
Android is a more robust and capable operating system. Off the top of my head Android allows for true multi tasking that is similar to computing, multiple live updates on multiple screens, and flash support
These are things that 90% of phone buyers don't care about and that's who Apple is catering to. There are some fantastic Android phones out there and I'm actually jealous of most of their features. But, Google's big mistake is not setting any standards for manufacturers. The differing screen resolutions, different button configurations, different connectors and some manufacturers are even putting their own software on top of the Android OS. This is a problem for developers, accessory makers and buyers. For example, I have the exact same iPhone car stereo integration kit that I used since my gen 1 iPhone. And, I'm not just talking about using the headphone jack to play music, I get full iPod control and phone functionality through my car stereo with no dangly wires all over the place. And, with each new iPhone purchase, I don't have to keep buying a new integration kit like I would with Android phones from varoius manufacturers. I'm not sure if I'll be buying the iPhone 4, but if I do, I'm 100% certain that all my accessories (car kits, chargers, connectors, cables, etc) won't have to be re-purchased. And, that's very important to me
Actually, what you state as a mistake is actually a strength. And everyone wants multi-tasking. Your phone is not smart if you cannot do that. The android is a much more capable os. I like Iphone too, but it seems to trip over itself in terms of simple things.
 
Posted by rmadison007 (Member # 8670) on :
 
Evo ftw...yesterday Steve Jobs tried show many of the key innovations of the iPhone4 and had serious problems during his demonstrations...also the network issues with at&t will kill any new innovations the iPhone4 has....the evo has everything the iPhone4 has with a better network, 4g, and unlimited data...Apple will come out with the iPhone4s in a few months that will probably fix the problems with the iPhone4 Steve Jobs was having and get people to buy two phones instead of taking the time to refine the iPhone4...Apple maximizing profit...
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
all these software features u guys speak of can easily be taken care of with a jailbreak.

multitasking, tethering, free apps, etc via jailbreak. ill enjoy the 220k apps while android plays catch-up. until that happens, ill enjoy the iphone4 and sell my 3gs jailbroken phone for 350 on ebay, which then leaves me with about 300 to make up for the out of contract price on the 16gb iphone4.
 
Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
I'm a sucker for new tech but the wireless price gouging is getting too far. Consumers are going brain dead wanting the new iphone (which looks to be awesome) and don't realize AT&T is ripping them off.

AT&T just restructured their data plans and it coincidently happens on th same day of Iphone announcement. They got rid of their $30 dollar unlimited plan and are tiering it 2GB for $25 dollars and $15 for 200MB of data. Iphones especially are portable media devices and 2gb is nowhere near enough for streaming or tethering. On top of that The "new technology" and "4g speeds" is not exactly new and they've had the technology for quite some time now.

I am sure Verizon and the other major carriers will eventually follow suit. The early release and the early upgrade "hookup" is merely the bait to reel you in. In the coming months Verizon will use the upcoming Android lineup and do the same thing. The only way around this is to pay full price for the iphone and grandfather your current 30 unlimited data plan.
If your on the unlimited data plan and have no interest in getting a new phone anytime soon or changing your plan, does your plan still change with their new restructure or am i safe and will always have unlimited until i buy a new phone?
 
Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
all these software features u guys speak of can easily be taken care of with a jailbreak.

multitasking, tethering, free apps, etc via jailbreak. ill enjoy the 220k apps while android plays catch-up. until that happens, ill enjoy the iphone4 and sell my 3gs jailbroken phone for 350 on ebay, which then leaves me with about 300 to make up for the out of contract price on the 16gb iphone4.
Jailbreaking won't solve the shortcomings of the OS itself. Multi tasking on the iphone is not 100% multitasking because of how the OS is written. Iphone OS actually pauses the unused application while you switch to another application. This is also the reason why Iphone OS4 will never be able to have multiple live updates on multiple live screens. Android has true multi tasking ability that allows all open applications to be running at one time.

Iphone OS4 will not support flash even after jailbreaking. Either Steve Jobs holds a grudge against adobe or it just can't be supported by the OS. HTML5 is up and coming but flash is widely used.

As far as apps go Iphone does have the advantage because it has been around longer. But, within the short period Android has been around it has taken that market share by storm. Any app that is of any importance already has an Android equivalent. Android is open source and the marketplace is open to all unlike Apples regulated marketplace.

Iphone 4G will be an awesome phone and it will be one of the best handsets to date. But it's OS is nowhere near that of the Android.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
all these software features u guys speak of can easily be taken care of with a jailbreak.

multitasking, tethering, free apps, etc via jailbreak. ill enjoy the 220k apps while android plays catch-up. until that happens, ill enjoy the iphone4 and sell my 3gs jailbroken phone for 350 on ebay, which then leaves me with about 300 to make up for the out of contract price on the 16gb iphone4.
Jailbreaking won't solve the shortcomings of the OS itself. Multi tasking on the iphone is not 100% multitasking because of how the OS is written. Iphone OS actually pauses the unused application while you switch to another application. This is also the reason why Iphone OS4 will never be able to have multiple live updates on multiple live screens. Android has true multi tasking ability that allows all open applications to be running at one time.

Iphone OS4 will not support flash even after jailbreaking. Either Steve Jobs holds a grudge against adobe or it just can't be supported by the OS. HTML5 is up and coming but flash is widely used.

As far as apps go Iphone does have the advantage because it has been around longer. But, within the short period Android has been around it has taken that market share by storm. Any app that is of any importance already has an Android equivalent. Android is open source and the marketplace is open to all unlike Apples regulated marketplace.

Iphone 4G will be an awesome phone and it will be one of the best handsets to date. But it's OS is nowhere near that of the Android.
yes, the flash portion really sucks with any apple product since many websites are running flash but id be willing to sacrifice a bit here and there.

is your iphone jailbroken? as far as i know it when u run backgrounder the apps running in the background update so not sure about that limitation u mention.

with android, are you able to gain free access to bootleg apps or are you limited by purchasing through an apps store? obviously, i dont have an android so just curious as to what limitations u have w/ apps.
 
Posted by 23109 (Member # 4347) on :
 
looks like we have a dork thread up in hereeeeeeeeee
 
Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
You can keep the unlimited iPhone plan when you up grade the new price change only effects the new customers and existing customers with no smartphone data plans and the IOS is better then the os in the droids and the touch function is alot smoother then any other phone also, and yes they have multitasking on the new iPhone 4 and has two microphones and two cameras wich films in high def and can do video calls and the screen is made out of the same material as a a helicopter windsheild and more scratch resistant then the last phone wich is pretty scratch resistant already and if the iPhone sucks so bad why is every manufacture trying to compare to or compete with the Iphone there will always be so called iPhone killers and iPhone haters, I used to be one till I owned one now I can't believe I was lieing to myself and to all those who's said the iPhone was coming to there carrier because a (salesman) told you that ,you got CLOSED! Never beleive anything when someone is trying to sell you somthing!

[ June 08, 2010, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: 50Reasons ]
 
Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
I'm a sucker for new tech but the wireless price gouging is getting too far. Consumers are going brain dead wanting the new iphone (which looks to be awesome) and don't realize AT&T is ripping them off.

AT&T just restructured their data plans and it coincidently happens on th same day of Iphone announcement. They got rid of their $30 dollar unlimited plan and are tiering it 2GB for $25 dollars and $15 for 200MB of data. Iphones especially are portable media devices and 2gb is nowhere near enough for streaming or tethering. On top of that The "new technology" and "4g speeds" is not exactly new and they've had the technology for quite some time now.

I am sure Verizon and the other major carriers will eventually follow suit. The early release and the early upgrade "hookup" is merely the bait to reel you in. In the coming months Verizon will use the upcoming Android lineup and do the same thing. The only way around this is to pay full price for the iphone and grandfather your current 30 unlimited data plan.
If your on the unlimited data plan and have no interest in getting a new phone anytime soon or changing your plan, does your plan still change with their new restructure or am i safe and will always have unlimited until i buy a new phone?
If you are on the unlimited data plan prior to June 7th (yesterday) you are safe and will continue to have the same unlimited plan.

If you want to get a new phone (upgrade) you have two choices

1)You can buy a new phone and keep your existing unlimited data plan. The drawback is that you will have to pay full price for the phone or buy one off ebay and activate it.

2)Buy a new phone using the promotional offer from AT&T. To get the promotional price for the phone you MUST sign a new contract and you will loose your unlimited data plan and be switched to their new data plans.

Say you wanted a new Iphone
Option 1: it could cost you 600 dollars (pay retail) but you would keep the unlimited data plan

Option 2: the iphone would cost the promotional $199 but you would be put into another 2 year contract and loose your current unlimited plan
 
Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
iPhone ATT fail during presentation


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znxQOPFg2mo

VERIZON FTW!
 
Posted by SPTVENM (Member # 7080) on :
 
iphone can bring it

HTC all day [dance]
 
Posted by 88DroptopGT (Member # 2535) on :
 
No matter the amount of faults the iPhone OS will have people will still line up around the block to get the newest iPhone.

With longer battery life, camera flash, a
better screen, and 32 GB shit I want one but I'll wait until a price drop and the bugs are sorted out first!
 
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on :
 
Have any of u even used OS4 yet??
 
Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
all these software features u guys speak of can easily be taken care of with a jailbreak.

multitasking, tethering, free apps, etc via jailbreak. ill enjoy the 220k apps while android plays catch-up. until that happens, ill enjoy the iphone4 and sell my 3gs jailbroken phone for 350 on ebay, which then leaves me with about 300 to make up for the out of contract price on the 16gb iphone4.
Jailbreaking won't solve the shortcomings of the OS itself. Multi tasking on the iphone is not 100% multitasking because of how the OS is written. Iphone OS actually pauses the unused application while you switch to another application. This is also the reason why Iphone OS4 will never be able to have multiple live updates on multiple live screens. Android has true multi tasking ability that allows all open applications to be running at one time.

Iphone OS4 will not support flash even after jailbreaking. Either Steve Jobs holds a grudge against adobe or it just can't be supported by the OS. HTML5 is up and coming but flash is widely used.

As far as apps go Iphone does have the advantage because it has been around longer. But, within the short period Android has been around it has taken that market share by storm. Any app that is of any importance already has an Android equivalent. Android is open source and the marketplace is open to all unlike Apples regulated marketplace.

Iphone 4G will be an awesome phone and it will be one of the best handsets to date. But it's OS is nowhere near that of the Android.
yes, the flash portion really sucks with any apple product since many websites are running flash but id be willing to sacrifice a bit here and there.

is your iphone jailbroken? as far as i know it when u run backgrounder the apps running in the background update so not sure about that limitation u mention.

with android, are you able to gain free access to bootleg apps or are you limited by purchasing through an apps store? obviously, i dont have an android so just curious as to what limitations u have w/ apps.
My iphone is jailbroken. I've actually have gone through at least 10 iphones as a tester for a Dev team. Iphone has developed a "multi task" solution in which it created 7 services which could run in the background. But that is why I say it's not a true multi tasking, computing-like experience. Apple basically let 7 most basic task/services and allowed users to switch between them. The rest of the services that don't fall into these categories will pause while you open another service like it does now.

On your iphone right now try uploading a picture to photobucket and in the middle or beginning of it switch out and open application. That upload will pause while you open the other app. In Iphone 0S4 it will do the same if it's not one of the 7 services.

Their solution will work and it's design is clever in a way that it will conserve resources but marketing it as true multi tasking like Apple is doing is a lie.

Android has a jail break and it's called root and custom roms. It has the same type of marketplace and boot leg apps. The difference is the sheer number of apps in the Iphone marketplace.
 
Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 88DroptopGT:
No matter the amount of faults the iPhone OS will have people will still line up around the block to get the newest iPhone.

With longer battery life, camera flash, a
better screen, and 32 GB shit I want one but I'll wait until a price drop and the bugs are sorted out first!
Agreed and I will getting one myself to tinker with.
 
Posted by CHUGGNBREW'Z (Member # 7845) on :
 
whats an i phone? [Confused]
 
Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
Have any of u even used OS4 yet??
None of us have used Iphone 0S4 but the OS is still based on the same architecture that has it's limitations.
 
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
quote:
Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
Have any of u even used OS4 yet??
None of us have used Iphone 0S4 but the OS is still based on the same architecture that has it's limitations.
limitations as far as??
 
Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
quote:
Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
Have any of u even used OS4 yet??
None of us have used Iphone 0S4 but the OS is still based on the same architecture that has it's limitations.
limitations as far as??
The biggest drawback is the fact the IOS4 is not open source and is limited by the SDK. Iphone OS SDK has more licencing restrictions which puts a choke hold on developers. On top of that apple charges a fee to develop applications for testing and selling.

Android on the other hand is open source and is Java, XML, and C galore. They have complete freedom and more tools to develop with. All this for free.

What does that all come down too? Let's take the multi tasking issue. An Iphone developer has to worry about their apps not having enough resources, or taking too much resources and not being compatible with the services the OS places on it. Meanwhile the Android developer has no restrictions and limitations because the OS itself is more robust.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
quote:
Originally posted by essasin:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
all these software features u guys speak of can easily be taken care of with a jailbreak.

multitasking, tethering, free apps, etc via jailbreak. ill enjoy the 220k apps while android plays catch-up. until that happens, ill enjoy the iphone4 and sell my 3gs jailbroken phone for 350 on ebay, which then leaves me with about 300 to make up for the out of contract price on the 16gb iphone4.
Jailbreaking won't solve the shortcomings of the OS itself. Multi tasking on the iphone is not 100% multitasking because of how the OS is written. Iphone OS actually pauses the unused application while you switch to another application. This is also the reason why Iphone OS4 will never be able to have multiple live updates on multiple live screens. Android has true multi tasking ability that allows all open applications to be running at one time.

Iphone OS4 will not support flash even after jailbreaking. Either Steve Jobs holds a grudge against adobe or it just can't be supported by the OS. HTML5 is up and coming but flash is widely used.

As far as apps go Iphone does have the advantage because it has been around longer. But, within the short period Android has been around it has taken that market share by storm. Any app that is of any importance already has an Android equivalent. Android is open source and the marketplace is open to all unlike Apples regulated marketplace.

Iphone 4G will be an awesome phone and it will be one of the best handsets to date. But it's OS is nowhere near that of the Android.
yes, the flash portion really sucks with any apple product since many websites are running flash but id be willing to sacrifice a bit here and there.

is your iphone jailbroken? as far as i know it when u run backgrounder the apps running in the background update so not sure about that limitation u mention.

with android, are you able to gain free access to bootleg apps or are you limited by purchasing through an apps store? obviously, i dont have an android so just curious as to what limitations u have w/ apps.
My iphone is jailbroken. I've actually have gone through at least 10 iphones as a tester for a Dev team. Iphone has developed a "multi task" solution in which it created 7 services which could run in the background. But that is why I say it's not a true multi tasking, computing-like experience. Apple basically let 7 most basic task/services and allowed users to switch between them. The rest of the services that don't fall into these categories will pause while you open another service like it does now.

On your iphone right now try uploading a picture to photobucket and in the middle or beginning of it switch out and open application. That upload will pause while you open the other app. In Iphone 0S4 it will do the same if it's not one of the 7 services.

Their solution will work and it's design is clever in a way that it will conserve resources but marketing it as true multi tasking like Apple is doing is a lie.

Android has a jail break and it's called root and custom roms. It has the same type of marketplace and boot leg apps. The difference is the sheer number of apps in the Iphone marketplace.
essasin, i see what you're saying about what is considered multitasking.never really tripped off of it as i was just happy that i didnt have to wait the extra 10 seconds for a program to relaunch w/out backgrounder like running an navi app(navigon), which takes awhile to initialize.

thanks for the explanation..obviously uve tinkered enough w/ these phones to know the subtle differences.
 
Posted by essasin (Member # 4741) on :
 
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all these software features u guys speak of can easily be taken care of with a jailbreak.

multitasking, tethering, free apps, etc via jailbreak. ill enjoy the 220k apps while android plays catch-up. until that happens, ill enjoy the iphone4 and sell my 3gs jailbroken phone for 350 on ebay, which then leaves me with about 300 to make up for the out of contract price on the 16gb iphone4.
Jailbreaking won't solve the shortcomings of the OS itself. Multi tasking on the iphone is not 100% multitasking because of how the OS is written. Iphone OS actually pauses the unused application while you switch to another application. This is also the reason why Iphone OS4 will never be able to have multiple live updates on multiple live screens. Android has true multi tasking ability that allows all open applications to be running at one time.

Iphone OS4 will not support flash even after jailbreaking. Either Steve Jobs holds a grudge against adobe or it just can't be supported by the OS. HTML5 is up and coming but flash is widely used.

As far as apps go Iphone does have the advantage because it has been around longer. But, within the short period Android has been around it has taken that market share by storm. Any app that is of any importance already has an Android equivalent. Android is open source and the marketplace is open to all unlike Apples regulated marketplace.

Iphone 4G will be an awesome phone and it will be one of the best handsets to date. But it's OS is nowhere near that of the Android.
yes, the flash portion really sucks with any apple product since many websites are running flash but id be willing to sacrifice a bit here and there.

is your iphone jailbroken? as far as i know it when u run backgrounder the apps running in the background update so not sure about that limitation u mention.

with android, are you able to gain free access to bootleg apps or are you limited by purchasing through an apps store? obviously, i dont have an android so just curious as to what limitations u have w/ apps.
My iphone is jailbroken. I've actually have gone through at least 10 iphones as a tester for a Dev team. Iphone has developed a "multi task" solution in which it created 7 services which could run in the background. But that is why I say it's not a true multi tasking, computing-like experience. Apple basically let 7 most basic task/services and allowed users to switch between them. The rest of the services that don't fall into these categories will pause while you open another service like it does now.

On your iphone right now try uploading a picture to photobucket and in the middle or beginning of it switch out and open application. That upload will pause while you open the other app. In Iphone 0S4 it will do the same if it's not one of the 7 services.

Their solution will work and it's design is clever in a way that it will conserve resources but marketing it as true multi tasking like Apple is doing is a lie.

Android has a jail break and it's called root and custom roms. It has the same type of marketplace and boot leg apps. The difference is the sheer number of apps in the Iphone marketplace.
essasin, i see what you're saying about what is considered multitasking.never really tripped off of it as i was just happy that i didnt have to wait the extra 10 seconds for a program to relaunch w/out backgrounder like running an navi app(navigon), which takes awhile to initialize.

thanks for the explanation..obviously uve tinkered enough w/ these phones to know the subtle differences.
NP. The 3g is still a great phone and the 4g looks to be even better. I can't wait to get my hands on one. New tech and competition can only benefit us.
 
Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
Can't wait to get mine still
 
Posted by BOSS 32V (Member # 8125) on :
 
Damn! I bought a 3GS last week with a 2/year contract, I wonder if i can return it withing the 30 day and get a 4G....??
 
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Damn! I bought a 3GS last week with a 2/year contract, I wonder if i can return it withing the 30 day and get a 4G....??
That's not a bad thing. You'll want to buy the phone outright anyways to keep your unlimited data plan. If not I think you have 30 days.
 
Posted by rgtrahn (Member # 7133) on :
 
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Damn! I bought a 3GS last week with a 2/year contract, I wonder if i can return it withing the 30 day and get a 4G....??
That's not a bad thing. You'll want to buy the phone outright anyways to keep your unlimited data plan. If not I think you have 30 days.
I called att.. said I can keep my unlimited plan and still upgrade to iPhone 4 on the 24th..however, if at some point I decide to ditch the unlimited plan I can't get it back.
 
Posted by bigjerry (Member # 6033) on :
 
picking up my evo 4g tmrw [Big Grin]
 
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Damn! I bought a 3GS last week with a 2/year contract, I wonder if i can return it withing the 30 day and get a 4G....??
That's not a bad thing. You'll want to buy the phone outright anyways to keep your unlimited data plan. If not I think you have 30 days.
I called att.. said I can keep my unlimited plan and still upgrade to iPhone 4 on the 24th..however, if at some point I decide to ditch the unlimited plan I can't get it back.
Did you ask how much an "upgrade" would cost you? By upgrade would get the promotional pricing or would you have to pay full retail price?

On AT&T data plan facebook page it says "if you are a current smartphone customer you're not required to switch to one of the new plans." But it does not mention phone pricing.

If you go to the ATT wireless page there is always a footnote to any promotional pricing phone which says " 2 year contract & new activation required."
New activation means new contract and since the unlimited data plan is not offered anymore I'm not sure how they are able to give you both unlimited data and promotional pricing.

But if they are able to do this please post up. A lot of us would be flocking to get one and I would have some leverage to being able to upgrade my equipment at a discounted price. I have been with them since Cellular One and I am still on one of the first GSM phone plans offered by Cingular.
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
spent and hour at sprint playin with the evo.. and WOW! I love this phone. Would have picked it up but didnt have wallet. Even my friend that was with me with a Iphone in hand was impressed. I was shocked at how brilliant the screen was and how good the camera/picture was. The speaker is pretty damn loud too.
 
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spent and hour at sprint playin with the evo.. and WOW! I love this phone. Would have picked it up but didnt have wallet. Even my friend that was with me with a Iphone in hand was impressed. I was shocked at how brilliant the screen was and how good the camera/picture was. The speaker is pretty damn loud too.
Where you able to run a bandwidth and latency test?
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
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spent and hour at sprint playin with the evo.. and WOW! I love this phone. Would have picked it up but didnt have wallet. Even my friend that was with me with a Iphone in hand was impressed. I was shocked at how brilliant the screen was and how good the camera/picture was. The speaker is pretty damn loud too.
Where you able to run a bandwidth and latency test?
kinda, I have a flash app that I run on web browsers the does a loop of some intensive processing stuff (fractals). And it kept a good FPS. I know not a good test but I was impressed.
 
Posted by 93redcobra (Member # 1344) on :
 
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spent and hour at sprint playin with the evo.. and WOW! I love this phone. Would have picked it up but didnt have wallet. Even my friend that was with me with a Iphone in hand was impressed. I was shocked at how brilliant the screen was and how good the camera/picture was. The speaker is pretty damn loud too.
I received my evo on monday(ordered it the morning of the release day), and i cannot put this thing down.
 
Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :
 
For existing iPhone customers: Does anyone know if you will be able to preorder it straight from the AT&T website on the 14th with the eligible upgrade?
 
Posted by rmadison007 (Member # 8670) on :
 
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Originally posted by N8:
spent and hour at sprint playin with the evo.. and WOW! I love this phone. Would have picked it up but didnt have wallet. Even my friend that was with me with a Iphone in hand was impressed. I was shocked at how brilliant the screen was and how good the camera/picture was. The speaker is pretty damn loud too.
I received my evo on monday(ordered it the morning of the release day), and i cannot put this thing down.
Got mine friday and still haven't put it down...
 
Posted by 66_5.0 (Member # 9974) on :
 
I have a 3gs and want the 4g..but since I got my contract last year I have to wait. Although At&t said that they are making exceptions for some and allowing upgrades 6 months early..
 




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