Originally posted by Slowback:
I'm so pissed this bill was passed. How the f$&k are we gonna pay for this? I can't wait till the next election to vote these people out of office
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quote:Yeah it's a good thing I'm tryng to finish my car..... I'm not gonna have any car money when we get taxed for all the debt were taking on.
Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
Yay higher taxes!
quote:On first thought I was going to go with N8 and stay out of this one, but...
Originally posted by Slowback:
I'm so pissed this bill was passed. How the f$&k are we gonna pay for this? I can't wait till the next election to vote these people out of office
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on the House Floor yelling things like "Baby Killer". Not the message the American people want to hear at least not me and I am sure I am just one of millions. quote:Yep hopefully i can get a house before they start taxing my income until i don't have any money.
Originally posted by Slowback:
quote:Yeah it's a good thing I'm tryng to finish my car..... I'm not gonna have any car money when we get taxed for all the debt were taking on.
Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
Yay higher taxes!
quote:I didn't hear anyone crying when Bush decided to commit us to Iraq for the forcible future along with trillions of dollars or leave a huge deficit for which our children's children will be paying for.
Originally posted by Slowback:
quote:Yeah it's a good thing I'm tryng to finish my car..... I'm not gonna have any car money when we get taxed for all the debt were taking on.
Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
Yay higher taxes!
quote:A deficit that is just getting bigger and bigger with Obama, hes not even trying to stop its growth. Wonder where he'll spend the next trillion dollars.
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
quote:I didn't hear anyone crying when Bush decided to commit us to Iraq for the forcible future along with trillions of dollars or leave a huge deficit for which our children's children will be paying for.
Originally posted by Slowback:
quote:Yeah it's a good thing I'm tryng to finish my car..... I'm not gonna have any car money when we get taxed for all the debt were taking on.
Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
Yay higher taxes!
quote:I agree with this 100%
Originally posted by DLo:
We needed healthcare reform, but this isn't what I had in mind.
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funny how Republicans didn't get much say in writing the bill....... There were ways to write this bill that would have worked better for tax paying Americans....![[Wink]](wink.gif)
quote:Are you suggesting that Californians are not hard working or Unamerican?
Originally posted by Slowback:
^ yeah I talk to truck drivers and other hard working middle class Americans from all over the country. 99 out of 100 don't like how things are going in Washington. It's funny when they come into my work they have nothing good to say about the majority of people here in Ca.
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quote:Funny thing is, I didn't have much faith in the repubs either.
Originally posted by Slowback:
quote:I agree with this 100%
Originally posted by DLo:
We needed healthcare reform, but this isn't what I had in mind.
I'm not for paying for Abortions. If you wanna have sex and ge knocked up, you find a way to pay for it.
quote:
Originally posted by Slowback:
quote:I agree with this 100%
Originally posted by DLo:
We needed healthcare reform, but this isn't what I had in mind.
I'm not for paying for Abortions. If you wanna have sex and ge knocked up, you find a way to pay for it.
I was for a few of the things in the bill. I'm upset that there wasn't any type of Tort Reform in the bill ( it's basically to cut down on false insurance claims. If you file a fake suit and are found guilt you can be held acountable. ) most lawyers hate
them
The Republicans had all the say in the world. There were numerous chances and forums to vent their frustration with the policy, but they didn't have reform in their hearts... their hearts are were in the pocket books of lobbyist and being the party of "No". The Democrats were willing to compromise and made many changes that Republicans suggested.
quote:Considering we already pay for it, I don't see the difference. In fact, this will lower the deficit in the long run.
Originally posted by Slowback:
^ lol it's gonna cost more then a starbucks in taxes to pay for this kind of bill... Let's be serious. [/QB]
quote:"Many" is in the eye of beholder... I need a number
Originally posted by Slowback:
rgtrahn:
^ you and I could go all day arguing over this.... I'll bet you a 12 pack that Obama isn't voted in for a 2nd term AND I'll bet another 12 pack dems loose many seat's in 2010 election....
You down.
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quote:No the Senate already approved for it so it goes directly to the President who has already signed it
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Wait, since this passed by the house, doesn't this still need to go to the senate?
quote:The House passed three bills today. The first was on the Senate version that was passed in December before Ted Kennedy died with 60 votes... The second was the reconciled bill that will now go back to the Senate to be voted on. If the Senate adds anything or amends the reconciled bill then it will have to go back to the House to be voted on...
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Wait, since this passed by the house, doesn't this still need to go to the senate?
quote:How about at least 15 or more dems will loose their seats in 2010?
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
quote:"Many" is in the eye of beholder... I need a number
Originally posted by Slowback:
rgtrahn:
^ you and I could go all day arguing over this.... I'll bet you a 12 pack that Obama isn't voted in for a 2nd term AND I'll bet another 12 pack dems loose many seat's in 2010 election....
You down.
I'm down though.
quote:who is going to run for the republicans? find me one candidate that doesn't make me embarrassed to call myself a republican.
Originally posted by Slowback:
quote:How about at least 15 or more dems will loose their seats in 2010?
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
quote:"Many" is in the eye of beholder... I need a number
Originally posted by Slowback:
rgtrahn:
^ you and I could go all day arguing over this.... I'll bet you a 12 pack that Obama isn't voted in for a 2nd term AND I'll bet another 12 pack dems loose many seat's in 2010 election....
You down.
I'm down though.
quote:And another..........:..people wake up every day! Just might not be soon enough!
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
quote:Its not just the lazy people that arent capable of receiving healthcare. You are directing this whole thing at the citizens that basically dont give a f**k about their lives. Well what about me and my families lives? Both of my parents are hard working middle class citizens that both work 40+ hour weeks. My dad's in sales and he's been warned that he may lose his job if production doesn't go up. Well its hard for more production when the economy is down. Luckly for us, my dad has benifits through his company. If he were to lose his job, what would we do? My dad has dangerously high blood pressure where it was at one point 200/120. If we lost our insurance, its very possible for my dad to get a heart attack. He is taking medicine for his blood pressure and he has to take it for the rest of his life. You needa think outside the box and stop blaming the low class citizens for the new plan and realize that this will more than likely benifit the people that deserve it the most.
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
quote:Just one question tho..............am I supposed to be responsible for your family?
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:Its not just the lazy people that arent capable of receiving healthcare. You are directing this whole thing at the citizens that basically dont give a f**k about their lives. Well what about me and my families lives? Both of my parents are hard working middle class citizens that both work 40+ hour weeks. My dad's in sales and he's been warned that he may lose his job if production doesn't go up. Well its hard for more production when the economy is down. Luckly for us, my dad has benifits through his company. If he were to lose his job, what would we do? My dad has dangerously high blood pressure where it was at one point 200/120. If we lost our insurance, its very possible for my dad to get a heart attack. He is taking medicine for his blood pressure and he has to take it for the rest of his life. You needa think outside the box and stop blaming the low class citizens for the new plan and realize that this will more than likely benifit the people that deserve it the most.
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
quote:I was not saying that nobody else has any problems. I was simply stating that this plan may be worth it. 2tone was implying that he didn't want to pay for lazy people that simply dont do anything with their lives. I was stating that there are decent hard working Americans that deserve more than what they have even if it does cost a few more dollars. I'm almost 20 years old, I go to school full time, work part time and I only make $600 a month after I pay my rent to my mom. Im willing to give up some of my paycheck for that simply because I've seen my family go through a huge struggle due to medical bills when my dad had a 50/50 chance of living or dying. Its a long story that I'm not going to get into, but my mom was left with all of the med bills, mortgage, house payment, utilities, etc. It really messed us up and my parents almost lost our house that they worked so hard to get. If there were nationwide health care, we wouldn't have been so deep down in the hole. Dont just think about the low lifes you'd be helping, also think about the hard working people you'd be helping as well.
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Just one question tho..............am I supposed to be responsible for your family?
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:Its not just the lazy people that arent capable of receiving healthcare. You are directing this whole thing at the citizens that basically dont give a f**k about their lives. Well what about me and my families lives? Both of my parents are hard working middle class citizens that both work 40+ hour weeks. My dad's in sales and he's been warned that he may lose his job if production doesn't go up. Well its hard for more production when the economy is down. Luckly for us, my dad has benifits through his company. If he were to lose his job, what would we do? My dad has dangerously high blood pressure where it was at one point 200/120. If we lost our insurance, its very possible for my dad to get a heart attack. He is taking medicine for his blood pressure and he has to take it for the rest of his life. You needa think outside the box and stop blaming the low class citizens for the new plan and realize that this will more than likely benifit the people that deserve it the most.
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
Is the 16 year old kid on his first job supposed to be responsible for your family, tones of us are hard workers and you think we don't have problems?
I'm starting to wonder if we would be Better off with individual state governments , because united were crashing!
Tell your dad I'm gonna contribute to your health fund, but he's gonna have to cough up some fedy for my public utilities bill........its only fair right?
quote:I suppose you don't want a police force/ sheriff's department, fire department, corrections, emt, post office or any other government agency... hell why not get rid of the military why we are at. I mean we wouldn't want you paying towards that as well...
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Just one question tho..............am I supposed to be responsible for your family?
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:Its not just the lazy people that arent capable of receiving healthcare. You are directing this whole thing at the citizens that basically dont give a f**k about their lives. Well what about me and my families lives? Both of my parents are hard working middle class citizens that both work 40+ hour weeks. My dad's in sales and he's been warned that he may lose his job if production doesn't go up. Well its hard for more production when the economy is down. Luckly for us, my dad has benifits through his company. If he were to lose his job, what would we do? My dad has dangerously high blood pressure where it was at one point 200/120. If we lost our insurance, its very possible for my dad to get a heart attack. He is taking medicine for his blood pressure and he has to take it for the rest of his life. You needa think outside the box and stop blaming the low class citizens for the new plan and realize that this will more than likely benifit the people that deserve it the most.
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
Is the 16 year old kid on his first job supposed to be responsible for your family, tones of us are hard workers and you think we don't have problems?
I'm starting to wonder if we would be Better off with individual state governments , because united were crashing!
Tell your dad I'm gonna contribute to your health fund, but he's gonna have to cough up some fedy for my public utilities bill........its only fair right?
quote:Don't worry bud, I understand the point you were making. Your family and situation is a perfect example of how close many Americans are from being without access to affordable, quality healthcare and how that access not only gives you peace of mind, but allows your dad to more than likely live...
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:I was not saying that nobody else has any problems. I was simply stating that this plan may be worth it. 2tone was implying that he didn't want to pay for lazy people that simply dont do anything with their lives. I was stating that there are decent hard working Americans that deserve more than what they have even if it does cost a few more dollars. I'm almost 20 years old, I go to school full time, work part time and I only make $600 a month after I pay my rent to my mom. Im willing to give up some of my paycheck for that simply because I've seen my family go through a huge struggle due to medical bills when my dad had a 50/50 chance of living or dying. Its a long story that I'm not going to get into, but my mom was left with all of the med bills, mortgage, house payment, utilities, etc. It really messed us up and my parents almost lost our house that they worked so hard to get. If there were nationwide health care, we wouldn't have been so deep down in the hole. Dont just think about the low lifes you'd be helping, also think about the hard working people you'd be helping as well.
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Just one question tho..............am I supposed to be responsible for your family?
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:Its not just the lazy people that arent capable of receiving healthcare. You are directing this whole thing at the citizens that basically dont give a f**k about their lives. Well what about me and my families lives? Both of my parents are hard working middle class citizens that both work 40+ hour weeks. My dad's in sales and he's been warned that he may lose his job if production doesn't go up. Well its hard for more production when the economy is down. Luckly for us, my dad has benifits through his company. If he were to lose his job, what would we do? My dad has dangerously high blood pressure where it was at one point 200/120. If we lost our insurance, its very possible for my dad to get a heart attack. He is taking medicine for his blood pressure and he has to take it for the rest of his life. You needa think outside the box and stop blaming the low class citizens for the new plan and realize that this will more than likely benifit the people that deserve it the most.
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
Is the 16 year old kid on his first job supposed to be responsible for your family, tones of us are hard workers and you think we don't have problems?
I'm starting to wonder if we would be Better off with individual state governments , because united were crashing!
Tell your dad I'm gonna contribute to your health fund, but he's gonna have to cough up some fedy for my public utilities bill........its only fair right?
quote:More scare tactics and things taken out of context...
Originally posted by fr5.0:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8
quote:wow this coming from a cop, you know better than any of us pieces of shit non cop punks that pay for your services wont ever see your face if my house got robbed today, but god forbid i run a stop sign!
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
quote:I suppose you don't want a police force/ sheriff's department, fire department, corrections, emt, post office or any other government agency... hell why not get rid of the military why we are at. I mean we wouldn't want you paying towards that as well...
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Just one question tho..............am I supposed to be responsible for your family?
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:Its not just the lazy people that arent capable of receiving healthcare. You are directing this whole thing at the citizens that basically dont give a f**k about their lives. Well what about me and my families lives? Both of my parents are hard working middle class citizens that both work 40+ hour weeks. My dad's in sales and he's been warned that he may lose his job if production doesn't go up. Well its hard for more production when the economy is down. Luckly for us, my dad has benifits through his company. If he were to lose his job, what would we do? My dad has dangerously high blood pressure where it was at one point 200/120. If we lost our insurance, its very possible for my dad to get a heart attack. He is taking medicine for his blood pressure and he has to take it for the rest of his life. You needa think outside the box and stop blaming the low class citizens for the new plan and realize that this will more than likely benifit the people that deserve it the most.
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
Is the 16 year old kid on his first job supposed to be responsible for your family, tones of us are hard workers and you think we don't have problems?
I'm starting to wonder if we would be Better off with individual state governments , because united were crashing!
Tell your dad I'm gonna contribute to your health fund, but he's gonna have to cough up some fedy for my public utilities bill........its only fair right?
These infrastructures benefit everyone, not just one individual.
quote:facts are facts, pages lines prove it wrong! you cant and you wont!
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
quote:More scare tactics and things taken out of context...
Originally posted by fr5.0:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8
Tomorrow I am going to go the doctors. I hear there is a death squad waiting to execute me.
quote:Exactly my point. The whole situation with the preexisting conditions, if my dad were to be dropped from his current medical insurance, the next insurance company can deny him because of his high blood pressure which is total
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
quote:Don't worry bud, I understand the point you were making. Your family and situation is a perfect example of how close many Americans are from being without access to affordable, quality healthcare and how that access not only gives you peace of mind, but allows your dad to more than likely live...
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:I was not saying that nobody else has any problems. I was simply stating that this plan may be worth it. 2tone was implying that he didn't want to pay for lazy people that simply dont do anything with their lives. I was stating that there are decent hard working Americans that deserve more than what they have even if it does cost a few more dollars. I'm almost 20 years old, I go to school full time, work part time and I only make $600 a month after I pay my rent to my mom. Im willing to give up some of my paycheck for that simply because I've seen my family go through a huge struggle due to medical bills when my dad had a 50/50 chance of living or dying. Its a long story that I'm not going to get into, but my mom was left with all of the med bills, mortgage, house payment, utilities, etc. It really messed us up and my parents almost lost our house that they worked so hard to get. If there were nationwide health care, we wouldn't have been so deep down in the hole. Dont just think about the low lifes you'd be helping, also think about the hard working people you'd be helping as well.
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Just one question tho..............am I supposed to be responsible for your family?
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:Its not just the lazy people that arent capable of receiving healthcare. You are directing this whole thing at the citizens that basically dont give a f**k about their lives. Well what about me and my families lives? Both of my parents are hard working middle class citizens that both work 40+ hour weeks. My dad's in sales and he's been warned that he may lose his job if production doesn't go up. Well its hard for more production when the economy is down. Luckly for us, my dad has benifits through his company. If he were to lose his job, what would we do? My dad has dangerously high blood pressure where it was at one point 200/120. If we lost our insurance, its very possible for my dad to get a heart attack. He is taking medicine for his blood pressure and he has to take it for the rest of his life. You needa think outside the box and stop blaming the low class citizens for the new plan and realize that this will more than likely benifit the people that deserve it the most.
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
Is the 16 year old kid on his first job supposed to be responsible for your family, tones of us are hard workers and you think we don't have problems?
I'm starting to wonder if we would be Better off with individual state governments , because united were crashing!
Tell your dad I'm gonna contribute to your health fund, but he's gonna have to cough up some fedy for my public utilities bill........its only fair right?
It's funny how many Republicans endorsed many of the measures in the bill such as no life time caps, no preexisting conditions, coverage of dependent children until age 26, but when it came down to it they didn't want Obama to be the one that succeed with it... If you stop and look, there really is a lot of good in this bill and it will provide medical to 31 million more Americans.
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..Luckly thats not the case now. I feel a little better though knowing that it passed. As much as I hate paying higher taxes, I really dont care about this increase because I know it will be helping many other people that are in the same situation as me and my family was. ![[Whoo Whooooo!]](graemlins/woowoo.gif)
quote:lol @ this you must not have read the bill, save your self some embarrassment!
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:I was not saying that nobody else has any problems. I was simply stating that this plan may be worth it. 2tone was implying that he didn't want to pay for lazy people that simply dont do anything with their lives. I was stating that there are decent hard working Americans that deserve more than what they have even if it does cost a few more dollars. I'm almost 20 years old, I go to school full time, work part time and I only make $600 a month after I pay my rent to my mom. Im willing to give up some of my paycheck for that simply because I've seen my family go through a huge struggle due to medical bills when my dad had a 50/50 chance of living or dying. Its a long story that I'm not going to get into, but my mom was left with all of the med bills, mortgage, house payment, utilities, etc. It really messed us up and my parents almost lost our house that they worked so hard to get. If there were nationwide health care, we wouldn't have been so deep down in the hole. Dont just think about the low lifes you'd be helping, also think about the hard working people you'd be helping as well.
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Just one question tho..............am I supposed to be responsible for your family?
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:Its not just the lazy people that arent capable of receiving healthcare. You are directing this whole thing at the citizens that basically dont give a f**k about their lives. Well what about me and my families lives? Both of my parents are hard working middle class citizens that both work 40+ hour weeks. My dad's in sales and he's been warned that he may lose his job if production doesn't go up. Well its hard for more production when the economy is down. Luckly for us, my dad has benifits through his company. If he were to lose his job, what would we do? My dad has dangerously high blood pressure where it was at one point 200/120. If we lost our insurance, its very possible for my dad to get a heart attack. He is taking medicine for his blood pressure and he has to take it for the rest of his life. You needa think outside the box and stop blaming the low class citizens for the new plan and realize that this will more than likely benifit the people that deserve it the most.
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
Is the 16 year old kid on his first job supposed to be responsible for your family, tones of us are hard workers and you think we don't have problems?
I'm starting to wonder if we would be Better off with individual state governments , because united were crashing!
Tell your dad I'm gonna contribute to your health fund, but he's gonna have to cough up some fedy for my public utilities bill........its only fair right?
quote:Exactly my point. The whole situation with the preexisting conditions, if my dad were to be dropped from his current medical insurance, the next insurance company can deny him because of his high blood pressure which is total
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
..Luckly thats not the case now. quote:people like you standing on the corner selling rock lol jk
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
what do you mean these people?
quote:i remember when i was 23..................i sure was ignorant to my surroundings!
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
quote:More scare tactics and things taken out of context...
Originally posted by fr5.0:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8
Tomorrow I am going to go the doctors. I hear there is a death squad waiting to execute me.
quote:I was just trying to figure out what your stand is or if you were suggesting that government should be privatized... When you pay taxes you are paying for government services like police and fire. From your post, I got the impression that my problems are my problems and that if I need police or fire I shouldn't call 911 because someone else is paying the bill...
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:wow this coming from a cop, you know better than any of us pieces of shit non cop punks that pay for your serices wont ever see your face if my house got robbed today, but god forbid i run a stop sign!
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
quote:I suppose you don't want a police force/ sheriff's department, fire department, corrections, emt, post office or any other government agency... hell why not get rid of the military why we are at. I mean we wouldn't want you paying towards that as well...
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Just one question tho..............am I supposed to be responsible for your family?
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:Its not just the lazy people that arent capable of receiving healthcare. You are directing this whole thing at the citizens that basically dont give a f**k about their lives. Well what about me and my families lives? Both of my parents are hard working middle class citizens that both work 40+ hour weeks. My dad's in sales and he's been warned that he may lose his job if production doesn't go up. Well its hard for more production when the economy is down. Luckly for us, my dad has benifits through his company. If he were to lose his job, what would we do? My dad has dangerously high blood pressure where it was at one point 200/120. If we lost our insurance, its very possible for my dad to get a heart attack. He is taking medicine for his blood pressure and he has to take it for the rest of his life. You needa think outside the box and stop blaming the low class citizens for the new plan and realize that this will more than likely benifit the people that deserve it the most.
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
Is the 16 year old kid on his first job supposed to be responsible for your family, tones of us are hard workers and you think we don't have problems?
I'm starting to wonder if we would be Better off with individual state governments , because united were crashing!
Tell your dad I'm gonna contribute to your health fund, but he's gonna have to cough up some fedy for my public utilities bill........its only fair right?
These infrastructures benefit everyone, not just one individual.
your mumbo jumbo jibberish is just that, i never said get rid of government! it sure would be an eye opener if we could pick the government (state) we lived under............those republican states would sure fill up fast when people started realizing whats really wrong with democratic mind sets!
quote:Your opinion that I am ignorant because of my age is meritless. We obviously have different views on the health care reform and I can respect that. I have no problem debating those differences. However, belittling me because of my age does not help substantiate your claims.
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:i remember when i was 23..................i sure was ignorant to my surroundings!
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
quote:More scare tactics and things taken out of context...
Originally posted by fr5.0:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8
Tomorrow I am going to go the doctors. I hear there is a death squad waiting to execute me.
i thought everything was propaganda............wish i could go back to those days, everyone was so scared of nothing lol if i only knew then what i know now!
its not easy having cop power and still being at that age where you still know everything huh?
quote:So your saying we already pay for everyone to have health care? No, we pay for SOME people to have health care, not everyone. You really thing giving up a coffee or your monthly subscription to HBO is going to cover these other millions of people?
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
Considering we already pay for it, I don't see the difference. In fact, this will lower the deficit in the long run.
quote:Fixed it for you.
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
quote:Don't worry bud, I understand the point you were making. Your family and situation is a perfect example of how close many Americans are from being without access to affordable, quality healthcare and how that access not only gives you peace of mind, but allows your dad to more than likely live...
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:I was not saying that nobody else has any problems. I was simply stating that this plan may be worth it. 2tone was implying that he didn't want to pay for lazy people that simply dont do anything with their lives. I was stating that there are decent hard working Americans that deserve more than what they have even if it does cost a few more dollars. I'm almost 20 years old, I go to school full time, work part time and I only make $600 a month after I pay my rent to my mom. Im willing to give up some of my paycheck for that simply because I've seen my family go through a huge struggle due to medical bills when my dad had a 50/50 chance of living or dying. Its a long story that I'm not going to get into, but my mom was left with all of the med bills, mortgage, house payment, utilities, etc. It really messed us up and my parents almost lost our house that they worked so hard to get. If there were nationwide health care, we wouldn't have been so deep down in the hole. Dont just think about the low lifes you'd be helping, also think about the hard working people you'd be helping as well.
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Just one question tho..............am I supposed to be responsible for your family?
Originally posted by 1HaTCheD5LiTEr:
quote:Its not just the lazy people that arent capable of receiving healthcare. You are directing this whole thing at the citizens that basically dont give a f**k about their lives. Well what about me and my families lives? Both of my parents are hard working middle class citizens that both work 40+ hour weeks. My dad's in sales and he's been warned that he may lose his job if production doesn't go up. Well its hard for more production when the economy is down. Luckly for us, my dad has benifits through his company. If he were to lose his job, what would we do? My dad has dangerously high blood pressure where it was at one point 200/120. If we lost our insurance, its very possible for my dad to get a heart attack. He is taking medicine for his blood pressure and he has to take it for the rest of his life. You needa think outside the box and stop blaming the low class citizens for the new plan and realize that this will more than likely benifit the people that deserve it the most.
Originally posted by 2TONE:
All I gotta say is f*ck them all...I'm not paying extra outta my check so some lazyass punk who wants to sit on his ass all day or sell rock on the corner gets my damn kaiser that I work hard for ,every broke faggot that milks the system and every whore who wants to have 10 kids now has my benifits..f*ck that...but I guess I have no choice do I ...f*ck voting...I'm turning republican and this piece of shit I voted for is running the government to the ground...damn it we won't even be able to fish soon..sorry for venting..but these people who don't work ,now will never have motivation to get a job,usually they get a job to get benefits,everyone is going to want to work under the table now..dam I'm pissed
On edit- I hope they void his presidency and all his bs bills,with his fakeass birth certificate
Is the 16 year old kid on his first job supposed to be responsible for your family, tones of us are hard workers and you think we don't have problems?
I'm starting to wonder if we would be Better off with individual state governments , because united were crashing!
Tell your dad I'm gonna contribute to your health fund, but he's gonna have to cough up some fedy for my public utilities bill........its only fair right?
It's funny how many Republicans endorsed many of the measures in the bill such as no life time caps, no preexisting conditions, coverage of dependent children until age 26, but when it came down to it they didn't want Obama to be the one that succeed with it... If you stop and look, there really is a lot of good in this bill and it will provide medical to 31 million more Americans and illegals.
quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:
wow this coming from a cop, you know better than any of us pieces of shit non cop punks that pay for your services wont ever see your face if my house got robbed today, but god forbid i run a stop sign!
![[worship]](graemlins/worship.gif)
Its all about making money for the "broke" cities now, catching a criminal that robbed your house will only cost the city more money so they just sit around and come up with new ways to take money from us. Its ironic, we pay taxes to pay salaries to people that all work to figure out ways to take more money from us because other people we pay taxes to fucked up and put the country in the fucked position its in.
quote:lmao....I will add "wooden shoes"
Originally posted by JOEFOX87:
1) grab popcon Check
2) in before the lock check
3) in before they move it to street racing check...
quote:I thought it was opposite.. they're bankrupt and they don't like their system
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
Republican and former Governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney successfully got "Romney Care" a single payer health care system (socialized medicine) passed and going in Massachusetts and from my understanding Chowderheads love their health care and it didn't bankrupt the system...
quote:LOL @ this
Originally posted by N8:
quote:lmao....I will add "wooden shoes"
Originally posted by JOEFOX87:
1) grab popcon Check
2) in before the lock check
3) in before they move it to street racing check...
quote:Fact:
Originally posted by NorCalRydaz:
I know the bill passed.... so what does that mean to us as the american people? facts.... what's going to change?
quote:Give or take a year from now... Your take home pay and anything else they need to tax to pay for it.
Originally posted by NorCalRydaz:
I know the bill passed.... so what does that mean to us as the american people? facts.... what's going to change?
quote:correct! not only is he wrong but i bet he doesn't know that, states that have already passed reform bills like this will not get compensation like the states that didn't.
Originally posted by DLo:
quote:I thought it was opposite.. they're bankrupt and they don't like their system
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
Republican and former Governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney successfully got "Romney Care" a single payer health care system (socialized medicine) passed and going in Massachusetts and from my understanding Chowderheads love their health care and it didn't bankrupt the system...
quote:good post but there are people that are so narrow minded that they would never realize this!
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:So your saying we already pay for everyone to have health care? No, we pay for SOME people to have health care, not everyone. You really thing giving up a coffee or your monthly subscription to HBO is going to cover these other millions of people?
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
Considering we already pay for it, I don't see the difference. In fact, this will lower the deficit in the long run.
quote:start off Schwarzenegger is the worst example of a republican ever!
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
I was just trying to figure out what your stand is or if you were suggesting that government should be privatized... When you pay taxes you are paying for government services like police and fire. From your post, I got the impression that my problems are my problems and that if I need police or fire I shouldn't call 911 because someone else is paying the bill...
Republican and former Governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney successfully got "Romney Care" a single payer health care system (socialized medicine) passed and going in Massachusetts and from my understanding Chowderheads love their health care and it didn't bankrupt the system...
In 2006 and 2008, the single payer system was passed by the legislature, but both times Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed that measure.
for those that didn't catch the chowderhead reference, I am a proud Yankees fan
quote:how can you say that, its all facts every line, page, and section is verbally stated and written how can you claim its wrong?
Originally posted by rgtrahn:
Let's be honest, that youtube clip you posted is worse than a Michale Moore film.
quote:I never like your political views. But this is a pretty vivid analogy and I like it.
Originally posted by fr5.0:
Here's where I think the plan fails: If I have to buy insurance to drive a car, that's fine. I don't have to drive. I can walk, ride a bike, take the bus, whatever.
If I have to pay an airport tax to help defray the costs of the TSA, that's fine, too. I don't have to get on an airplane. I can walk, ride a bike, take the bus, whatever.
This bill says that I have to purchase health insurance. I don't have to drive or fly, but I do have to live, so that that seems to be a government seizure forbidden by the Fourth Amendment.
quote:in before the edit lol.
Originally posted by N8:
quote:I never like your political views. But this is a pretty vivid analogy and I like it.
Originally posted by fr5.0:
Here's where I think the plan fails: If I have to buy insurance to drive a car, that's fine. I don't have to drive. I can walk, ride a bike, take the bus, whatever.
If I have to pay an airport tax to help defray the costs of the TSA, that's fine, too. I don't have to get on an airplane. I can walk, ride a bike, take the bus, whatever.
This bill says that I have to purchase health insurance. I don't have to drive or fly, but I do have to live, so that that seems to be a government seizure forbidden by the Fourth Amendment.
Now with that said.....im out.
-Wooden Shoes
from what I inherited from my parents ,and I'm alot more healthy 80% of the people in this countryquote:^^^^^^^ will see how long it takes to raise everyones taxes.... People who make less then 250k will be taxed.
Originally posted by 50Reasons:
And very little makes enough on this board to be affected from this bill
quote:yep
Originally posted by 50Reasons:
health care will always be fucked cuz of all of the health problems that fat people in this country
quote:Lol that's funny ahhh
Originally posted by t top freak:
quote:yep
Originally posted by 50Reasons:
health care will always be fucked cuz of all of the health problems that fat people in this country
wasn't there an incentive to be in shape or not fat in the og bill? i find that hilarious. want to know my incentive for being in shape and not fat anymore? its not being fat and disgusting
quote:You're point is somewhat logical. But where you fail is you don't choose to get cancer, lupis, or some other disease/injury that cannot be cleared up with "walking it off". With no fault of your own you could end up with some pretty hefty bills paid for by all of us.
Originally posted by fr5.0:
Here's where I think the plan fails: If I have to buy insurance to drive a car, that's fine. I don't have to drive. I can walk, ride a bike, take the bus, whatever.
If I have to pay an airport tax to help defray the costs of the TSA, that's fine, too. I don't have to get on an airplane. I can walk, ride a bike, take the bus, whatever.
This bill says that I have to purchase health insurance. I don't have to drive or fly, but I do have to live, so that that seems to be a government seizure forbidden by the Fourth Amendment.
quote:yea i think you dont realy get out much because the age group you described is the ones most likely to need health care like from fights in a club or out in about car accedents and dont forget about all the out door sports boating jet skies quads dirtbikes snow ski snow boarding skate boarding roller blading and just plane ole horseing around so who pays for that stuff we do now with our taxes so yea you should have health care unless your a fat ass who dont get out much and need some for bad health :rolleyes:and dont for get the yong people who gets payed under the table and gets hurt at work
Originally posted by 04mustanggtkibby:
Really though... Who needs health care? Does every one really need it? People from the ages of 18-30 or so NEVER go to the doctor and there the ones who are goin to be paying for it. Also if I dont want health care why should it be forced down my throat and ripped out my pocket. Most people say they cant afford health care but the reality for most is they would rather spend there money on Tv's, Ipods, Computers, rims, and etc. Problem is people cant manage there own money so they give the govermentthe power to allocate there money, so they dont have to worry. Me and every one else shouldnt have to pay for people who just choose not to spend there money right.
quote:Im am of that age demagraphic but I never have gone to the hospital and if i have to i can pay out of pocket, also if i wanted to have health care its cheap for me to do so.... But problem is I dont want it, so i shouldnt be forced to pay for it and neither should any one else be forced to pay for me to have it. Just cause other people who choose to take in dangerous activities have accidents doesnt mean i should have to pay for there mistakes also.
Originally posted by 50Reasons:
quote:yea i think you dont realy get out much because the age group you described is the ones most likely to need health care like from fights in a club or out in about car accedents and dont forget about all the out door sports boating jet skies quads dirtbikes snow ski snow boarding skate boarding roller blading and just plane ole horseing around so who pays for that stuff we do now with our taxes so yea you should have health care unless your a fat ass who dont get out much and need some for bad health :rolleyes:and dont for get the yong people who gets payed under the table and gets hurt at work
Originally posted by 04mustanggtkibby:
Really though... Who needs health care? Does every one really need it? People from the ages of 18-30 or so NEVER go to the doctor and there the ones who are goin to be paying for it. Also if I dont want health care why should it be forced down my throat and ripped out my pocket. Most people say they cant afford health care but the reality for most is they would rather spend there money on Tv's, Ipods, Computers, rims, and etc. Problem is people cant manage there own money so they give the govermentthe power to allocate there money, so they dont have to worry. Me and every one else shouldnt have to pay for people who just choose not to spend there money right.
quote:dont think its THE answer but deffinitely in the right dirrection imo
Originally posted by 04mustanggtkibby:
quote:Im am of that age demagraphic but I never have gone to the hospital and if i have to i can pay out of pocket, also if i wanted to have health care its cheap for me to do so.... But problem is I dont want it, so i shouldnt be forced to pay for it and neither should any one else be forced to pay for me to have it. Just cause other people who choose to take in dangerous activities have accidents doesnt mean i should have to pay for there mistakes also.
Originally posted by 50Reasons:
quote:yea i think you dont realy get out much because the age group you described is the ones most likely to need health care like from fights in a club or out in about car accedents and dont forget about all the out door sports boating jet skies quads dirtbikes snow ski snow boarding skate boarding roller blading and just plane ole horseing around so who pays for that stuff we do now with our taxes so yea you should have health care unless your a fat ass who dont get out much and need some for bad health :rolleyes:and dont for get the yong people who gets payed under the table and gets hurt at work
Originally posted by 04mustanggtkibby:
Really though... Who needs health care? Does every one really need it? People from the ages of 18-30 or so NEVER go to the doctor and there the ones who are goin to be paying for it. Also if I dont want health care why should it be forced down my throat and ripped out my pocket. Most people say they cant afford health care but the reality for most is they would rather spend there money on Tv's, Ipods, Computers, rims, and etc. Problem is people cant manage there own money so they give the govermentthe power to allocate there money, so they dont have to worry. Me and every one else shouldnt have to pay for people who just choose not to spend there money right.
quote:The problem with national health care and other government run program's is they let people to abuse them.
Originally posted by 04mustanggtkibby:
Really though... Who needs health care? Does every one really need it? People from the ages of 18-30 or so NEVER go to the doctor and there the ones who are goin to be paying for it. Also if I dont want health care why should it be forced down my throat and ripped out my pocket. Most people say they cant afford health care but the reality for most is they would rather spend there money on Tv's, Ipods, Computers, rims, and etc. Problem is people cant manage there own money so they give the govermentthe power to allocate there money, so they dont have to worry. Me and every one else shouldnt have to pay for people who just
choose not to spend there money right.
quote:+1.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:
wow this coming from a cop, you know better than any of us pieces of shit non cop punks that pay for your services wont ever see your face if my house got robbed today, but god forbid i run a stop sign!
quote:+1, +1 more for liking Tool.
Originally posted by 88DroptopGT:
quote:+1.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:
Originally posted by fr5.0:
wow this coming from a cop, you know better than any of us pieces of shit non cop punks that pay for your services wont ever see your face if my house got robbed today, but god forbid i run a stop sign!
People don't understand that this "health care reform" is just another ruse to trick taxpayers out of more money.
The DMV and postal service are just two examples of how efficient our government public services are run.
quote:If you get hurt because of a fight, dirt bike injury, whatever, then you should be held accountable. I had an injury years back, and I was angry at the time when I had to fork out money for the bill. But now that I look back on it, why the hell should someone else pay for my screw up? Get a job that has health insurance, grow up, and take on some responsibility! If you're going to do adrenaline filled sports that have a great deal of risk, that is your choice.
Originally posted by 50Reasons:
yea i think you dont realy get out much because the age group you described is the ones most likely to need health care like from fights in a club or out in about car accedents and dont forget about all the out door sports boating jet skies quads dirtbikes snow ski snow boarding skate boarding roller blading and just plane ole horseing around so who pays for that stuff we do now with our taxes so yea you should have health care unless your a fat ass who dont get out much and need some for bad health :rolleyes:and dont for get the yong people who gets payed under the table and gets hurt at work
quote:THIS.
Originally posted by BULLITTMAN:
I love how people talk shit about democrats and others talk shit about republicans.....bottom line is they are all bastard politicians that don't give a shit about anybody but themselves..they are all scum and it doesn't matter who's in office because we all end up getting bent over (no lube) in the end...
quote:Daaaaam, imagine having to pay 40k+ for taxes, well I guess if you're making 5 mill a year its pocket change for you...
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-21-health-vote_N.htm
The taxes will fall heaviest on upper-income taxpayers, according to an analysis by Deloitte Tax. It found that single taxpayers earning $250,000 a year would pay $450 more in Medicare payroll taxes, for instance. Those earning $500,000 would pay $2,700 more, while those earning $1 million would pay $7,200 more. Those with income of $5 million would pay $43,200 more.