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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 
Something is wrong here and no one seems to care?


Subject: FR Doc E9-2488



Whether you are an Obama fan, or not, EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to know....

Something happened... FR Doc E9-2488 was passed day-before-yesterday, behind our backs. You may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news... just went by on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.

Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA. This is the news that didn't make the headlines...

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and "conflict victims" in Gaza.

The "presidential determination," which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States, was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.


Let's review...itemized list of some of Barack Obama's most recent actions since his inauguration:

His first call to any head of state, as president, was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.

His first one-on-one television interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television.

His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(S) not just here within the U. S., but within the world, using U. S. taxpayer funds.

He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.

He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.

He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and the "terror attack" on 9/11.

Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.

These important, and insightful, issues are being "lost" in the blinding bail-outs and "stimulation" packages.

Doubtful? To verify this for yourself:
<a href="http://WWW.thefederalregister.Com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">WWW.thefederalregister.Com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488</a>

PLEASE PASS THIS ON... AMERICA NEEDS TO KNOW

WE are losing this country at a rapid pace.

He is pushing his Socialist Agenda big time................................


fixed!!!!

[ May 26, 2009, 08:25 PM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]
 

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Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :
 
Huh? HR 1388 has nothing to do with what you listed, nor does it even tie into the link you posted. HR 1388 refers to Amendments made to "The National and Community Service Act of 1990"... Click the Linky!

Someone have a lil too much drinky last night?
 

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Posted by gtowned. (Member # 8156) on :
 
johns on a roll for shooting people down lately hahahahaha
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by gtowned.:
johns on a roll for shooting people down lately hahahahaha

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lol
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 


[ May 20, 2009, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]
 

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Posted by asskickn88 (Member # 4957) on :
 
That looks exactly like a lot of the crap email's passed around. Every time I get one I go to snopes, bust it and reply to the person that sent it along with the link to show them it was BS...... hey, did you guys know that you can pop popcorn with a cellphone.......


One thing I noticed is how stupid Biden is, that guy makes Gore look like a genius.

[ May 20, 2009, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: asskickn88 ]
 

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Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :
 
Not bustin' anyone out, just thought I'd poke a lil fun. No harm meant...

On the Edit: I don't care for Obama either.

[ May 20, 2009, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: JohnB ]
 

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Posted by 1994steeda (Member # 6127) on :
 
only thing im mad about is that obama's passed the bill to make all cars get min 35mpg by 2016. i wounder if this will pull the plug on mustang, camaro,vettes, and etc...
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
well you voted for him
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
I tried to tell as many people as I could that Obama was a bad idea.... I wish I had a dollar for every time somone has tried to say I'm crazy and he's gonna be a good guy well everyone that voted for him its your fault on whatever happens!
P.S. Next time we vote for somone try not to get all your info from the news ( or celebs )look into peoples past on the Internet and judge people for what they have done... Not what they say their gonna do
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
This is the end-all facts to the "F" this president or that that president.

None of them will do what they say.
None of them tell the truth 100% of the time.
None of them are the solution to all problems.
But they will always be the lesser of 2 evils.
 

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Posted by 925GT50 (Member # 2683) on :
 
Obama won, America Lost. That is all.
 

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Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :
 
cant please everybody I got a tissue for you if you want....
 

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Posted by gtowned. (Member # 8156) on :
 

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Originally posted by 1994steeda:
only thing im mad about is that obama's passed the bill to make all cars get min 35mpg by 2016. i wounder if this will pull the plug on mustang, camaro,vettes, and etc...

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Originally posted by 925GT50:
Obama won, America Lost. That is all.

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Well put Looks like we need to flip the flag over on the patriot icon.

Honestly, I knew if he was elected all the clean air shit would start rolling in and here it is. Smog requirements seriously tightened for new cars will lead to tightened requirements on older cars. They want to make it so hard to smog older cars that people get frustrated and get rid of em. I'll just go ahead and say it now..... I told you so. They don't care about our cars, our love, our lives so why would they try to preserve it?
 

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Posted by 91silverbullet (Member # 8668) on :
 
F#*k that liberal piece of S^@t president we got I still don't get ..how americans could hav been so dumb and elected a muslim president....isn't the muslims the people that made 911 happen..?? People got all caught up in the media like it was was said before..and the whole change bs..got people all excited..
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by 91silverbullet:
F#*k that liberal piece of S^@t president we got I still don't get ..how americans could hav been so dumb and elected a muslim president....isn't the muslims the people that made 911 happen..?? People got all caught up in the media like it was was said before..and the whole change bs..got people all excited..

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Damn your dumb. I can understand having an opinion because they are like assholes and everyone has one. But when it comes to important issues for someone to feel so strongly yet be so ignorant is just beyond me. I can respect a strong stance when the person has thought it out or has a valid reason. But to just go off of media reports and half cocked ideas.

Lifted said it best, you cannot please everyone. If old dude won we would have complaints about his old ass.

Wait I just noticed that you said "people get caught up in the media" in your post. Then you go and pull your entire opinion from the media.

[ May 20, 2009, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 

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Originally posted by 91silverbullet:
F#*k that liberal piece of S^@t president we got I still don't get ..how americans could hav been so dumb and elected a muslim president....isn't the muslims the people that made 911 happen..?? People got all caught up in the media like it was was said before..and the whole change bs..got people all excited..

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Posted by 91silverbullet (Member # 8668) on :
 


[ May 20, 2009, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: 91silverbullet ]
 

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Posted by scoop510 (Member # 8726) on :
 

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Originally posted by gtowned.:
johns on a roll for shooting people down lately hahahahaha

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he'll probably kick all our a$$'s in


 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
91silverbullet

I owe you a apology. My personal attack was unwarranted. For that I apologize. but I still feel your opinion is primarily based on bad media reports.
 

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Posted by 91silverbullet (Member # 8668) on :
 
is all good n8 topics seem to always get a little hot around the forum..no hard feelings bro..and i may b juss talkin out my ass ..but theree hasnt been anything yet that changes my opinion..haha
 

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Posted by Bigjerry916 (Member # 8787) on :
 

 

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Posted by liftedF150 (Member # 868) on :
 
Muslims did not make 911 happen a terrost group made 911 happen...
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
Muslims did not make 911 happen a terrost group made 911 happen...

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Originally posted by slowback67:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
Muslims did not make 911 happen a terrost group made 911 happen...

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they say that they do these thing in the name of god... But they are trying to use religion to get what they want just my .02

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Those who commit crimes are "CROSSDRESSERS", they are evil human beings who are wearing the Islamic uniform to blame Islam.

Once again, in Islam, when you kill an innocent life, you are automatically declared sent to hell. It's same as killing whole mankind.

[ May 20, 2009, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: AL STOCK ]
 

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Posted by FriscoNotch (Member # 5916) on :
 
This thread is pointless. Please move to the Street Racing section.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
on second thought..lol

[ May 20, 2009, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by 87GTCOBRA (Member # 7845) on :
 
DID ANYONE NOTCIE THAT HE LOWERD TAXES ON ARE CHECKS BUT FUCKIN THAT BITCH ARNOLD RIZED THE STATE TAX?
 

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Posted by 87GTCOBRA (Member # 7845) on :
 
THIS IS MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT 1 FOR ENGLISH 2 DEPORTION AND YES ON 8! LOL I SEEN THAT ON A BUMBER STICKER THE OTHER DAY
 

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Posted by 90gtvert (Member # 8697) on :
 

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Originally posted by slowback67:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
Muslims did not make 911 happen a terrost group made 911 happen...

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they say that they do these thing in the name of god... But they are trying to use religion to get what they want just my .02

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Those who commit crimes are "CROSSDRESSERS", they are evil human beings who are wearing the Islamic uniform to blame Islam.

Once again, in Islam, when you kill an innocent life, you are automatically declared sent to hell. It's same as killing whole mankind.

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The flipside is, is that Western Culture are NOT innocent victims. The Koran specifically states thats those who do not believe in the ways of Islam are indeed "Infidels". Therefore we are not innocent.

Islam is a peacful religion if your are not considered an infidel.

( I think that was how it was explained to me. Some of my employees are from Iran, Pakistan and the Persian region basically. We had a conversation about the Islamic extremests who follow the Koran without question or interpretation.)


Mike

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Posted by -MITCH (Member # 8290) on :
 
my feeling with all this is that america has always been a country that helped many countries out, a big brother to the world... fuck ya, im pissed my money is going to help people i dont know, but look at it from the other person's point of view.. the ghettos of america cant compare to what these people see everyday.. you dont see suicide bombers everyday on AC transit (knock on wood), and lil kids dont walk around here drugged out and brainwashed ready to kill everyone they see.. we are actually helping people out. but yes, the downs of all this is that our country needs a lot of help itself, but what were facing is nothing compared to their everyday challenges. we have welfare/ wic/ E.D.D./ homeless shelters, etc. which btw goes to many undeserving people, why dont we talk sh*t about these people? Section 8 housing and Welfare checks month for month, while driving candy painted suvs and scrapers with lambo doors with 28's!? this is OUR MONEY too! (im not saying none of them worked for their sh*t, but alot of that money aint legit!)..

its already been said, but not everyone can be pleased, and this is ONLY possible because america is a GREAT country where you can say whatever the f*ck you want, and not be persecuted for it!
 

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Posted by -MITCH (Member # 8290) on :
 

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Originally posted by 87GTCOBRA:
THIS IS MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT 1 FOR ENGLISH 2 DEPORTION AND YES ON 8! LOL I SEEN THAT ON A BUMBER STICKER THE OTHER DAY

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Originally posted by -MITCH:
my feeling with all this is that america has always been a country that helped many countries out, a big brother to the world... fuck ya, im pissed my money is going to help people i dont know, but look at it from the other person's point of view.. the ghettos of america cant compare to what these people see everyday.. you dont see suicide bombers everyday on AC transit (knock on wood), and lil kids dont walk around here drugged out and brainwashed ready to kill everyone they see.. we are actually helping people out. but yes, the downs of all this is that our country needs a lot of help itself, but what were facing is nothing compared to their everyday challenges. we have welfare/ wic/ E.D.D./ homeless shelters, etc. which btw goes to many undeserving people, why dont we talk sh*t about these people? Section 8 housing and Welfare checks month for month, while driving candy painted suvs and scrapers with lambo doors with 28's!? this is OUR MONEY too! (im not saying none of them worked for their sh*t, but alot of that money aint legit!)..

its already been said, but not everyone can be pleased, and this is ONLY possible because america is a GREAT country where you can say whatever the f*ck you want, and not be persecuted for it!

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by -MITCH:
my feeling with all this is that america has always been a country that helped many countries out, a big brother to the world... fuck ya, im pissed my money is going to help people i dont know, but look at it from the other person's point of view.. the ghettos of america cant compare to what these people see everyday.. you dont see suicide bombers everyday on AC transit (knock on wood), and lil kids dont walk around here drugged out and brainwashed ready to kill everyone they see.. we are actually helping people out. but yes, the downs of all this is that our country needs a lot of help itself, but what were facing is nothing compared to their everyday challenges. we have welfare/ wic/ E.D.D./ homeless shelters, etc. which btw goes to many undeserving people, why dont we talk sh*t about these people? Section 8 housing and Welfare checks month for month, while driving candy painted suvs and scrapers with lambo doors with 28's!? this is OUR MONEY too! (im not saying none of them worked for their sh*t, but alot of that money aint legit!)..

its already been said, but not everyone can be pleased, and this is ONLY possible because america is a GREAT country where you can say whatever the f*ck you want, and not be persecuted for it!

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why are we helping people that cant help them selfs? think about it only the strong servive, so why is our country trying to weeken its self!!!!?????
helping other countrys with there problems doesnt help us when we need help!!!
if they where able to help us they would be able to help them selfs!!!!
giving is not helping it is enabling!!!
the money we give comes back to haunt us every time, where do you think terorists get the feddy to get the guns?
why in the f#$k am i paying for some 12 year old girl and her 40 year old baby daddys abortion, all because foreigners dont have sex crimes or money to buy a hanger. "we might not got no money but i gots a dick and americas payin for it so ima knock up some school girls", WTF is Obama that dumb? would we be better off without a prez, i think so at this rate!!!!

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Thats it exactly they cant help themselves, thats why they go to the U.S.. (ever heard of the United Nations?) Dont get me wrong im on the same boat, im pissed off the fact that i dont know exactly what my money is going to, and what exactly is it being used for. This is how its always been tho.. yes, we do get bit in the ass for throwing out money, but we will also get bit if we dont act out on it. how? these countries will start joining up, and start making a "an enemy of my enemy, is my friend" type pact. remember this is what caused world wars.. thats why the united nations was created, to prevent a strong arm from pushing a weaker arm around.

i guess the thing of it is, youll feel the way you feel, and ill feel the way i feel.. thats how religion and political talk always is.. your always right, but im never wrong type sh*t.

everything happens for a reason, may the agenda be good or bad, all we can do is trust in our makers and believe we wont be forsaken.

so lets just all agree to disagree.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
the thing that makes me laugh about this, is the people that think this is a Obama thing. This has been going through some many presidencies it isn't even worth noting. Which is why it squeaked through. If you think your beloved GW didnt do the same you are delusional.

It is just how America is. I am not too happy about it as well. I have a whole spill on it, matter of fact wrote a paper on it in Uni. But it is what it is with giving abroad. But one thing to note we are not the only country that does this. But we are the quintessential super power so all eyes are on us when it happens.
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by 90gtvert:

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Originally posted by slowback67:

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Originally posted by liftedF150:
Muslims did not make 911 happen a terrost group made 911 happen...

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they say that they do these thing in the name of god... But they are trying to use religion to get what they want just my .02

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Those who commit crimes are "CROSSDRESSERS", they are evil human beings who are wearing the Islamic uniform to blame Islam.

Once again, in Islam, when you kill an innocent life, you are automatically declared sent to hell. It's same as killing whole mankind.

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The flipside is, is that Western Culture are NOT innocent victims. The Koran specifically states thats those who do not believe in the ways of Islam are indeed "Infidels". Therefore we are not innocent.

Islam is a peacful religion if your are not considered an infidel.

( I think that was how it was explained to me. Some of my employees are from Iran, Pakistan and the Persian region basically. We had a conversation about the Islamic extremests who follow the Koran without question or interpretation.)


Mike

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Originally posted by N8:
the thing that makes me laugh about this, is the people that think this is a Obama thing. This has been going through some many presidencies it isn't even worth noting. Which is why it squeaked through. If you think your beloved GW didnt do the same you are delusional.

It is just how America is. I am not too happy about it as well. I have a whole spill on it, matter of fact wrote a paper on it in Uni. But it is what it is with giving abroad. But one thing to note we are not the only country that does this. But we are the quintessential super power so all eyes are on us when it happens.

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by N8:
the thing that makes me laugh about this, is the people that think this is a Obama thing. This has been going through some many presidencies it isn't even worth noting. Which is why it squeaked through. If you think your beloved GW didnt do the same you are delusional.

It is just how America is. I am not too happy about it as well. I have a whole spill on it, matter of fact wrote a paper on it in Uni. But it is what it is with giving abroad. But one thing to note we are not the only country that does this. But we are the quintessential super power so all eyes are on us when it happens.

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no one ever said Obama was the only one to do this but he did say he was going to fix our problems (recesion) and instead he is signing our money away!
think about it remember in the early 90's when you couldnt buy the name brand foods cuz you couldnt aford it, well this is the same thing we cant afford to help that big right now. help is help so even if he handed a 20 spot to there leader he helped but 20.3 mil!!!!!
thats food out of your kids mouths all so some one in a third world country can have a condom to save there country from aids. you might not think about the dumb shit like that but thats the little stuff you dont pay attention to!!! now with that said i want my represion check from all those countrys that took my money!!!!!!

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Originally posted by gtowned.:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by N8:
the thing that makes me laugh about this, is the people that think this is a Obama thing. This has been going through some many presidencies it isn't even worth noting. Which is why it squeaked through. If you think your beloved GW didnt do the same you are delusional.

It is just how America is. I am not too happy about it as well. I have a whole spill on it, matter of fact wrote a paper on it in Uni. But it is what it is with giving abroad. But one thing to note we are not the only country that does this. But we are the quintessential super power so all eyes are on us when it happens.

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no one ever said Obama was the only one to do this but he did say he was going to fix our problems (recesion) and instead he is signing our money away!
think about it remember in the early 90's when you couldnt buy the name brand foods cuz you couldnt aford it, well this is the same thing we cant afford to help that big right now. help is help so even if he handed a 20 spot to there leader he helped but 20.3 mil!!!!!
thats food out of your kids mouths all so some one in a third world country can have a condom to save there country from aids. you might not think about the dumb shit like that but thats the little stuff you dont pay attention to!!! now with that said i want my represion check from all those countrys that took my money!!!!!!

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it isnt taking food out of my kids mouthes.the government doesnt feed my kids i do.

im tired of everyone blaming everything on obama.he wasnt my choice for president but i still dont think hes that bad of a person.hes barely been in office and everyone expects everything to be fixed by now.it takes at least a term before people start to see change.

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and where do you think your money goes when there raising costs and prices? when they charge more you make less money ie. there taking food out of your kids mouths comeon think befor you talk!!!!
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by -MITCH:
your always right, but im never wrong type sh*t.

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Originally posted by gtowned.:
im a-ok financially.i got bigger things to worry about than having a few more bucks in taxes or things costing more money.and theres things obama is doing that make me glad he actually is in office

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its only just begun, watch the headlines theres more to come. but by all means keep your head up barock carter will be the best prez ever!!!!

[ May 21, 2009, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by gtowned.:

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by N8:
the thing that makes me laugh about this, is the people that think this is a Obama thing. This has been going through some many presidencies it isn't even worth noting. Which is why it squeaked through. If you think your beloved GW didnt do the same you are delusional.

It is just how America is. I am not too happy about it as well. I have a whole spill on it, matter of fact wrote a paper on it in Uni. But it is what it is with giving abroad. But one thing to note we are not the only country that does this. But we are the quintessential super power so all eyes are on us when it happens.

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no one ever said Obama was the only one to do this but he did say he was going to fix our problems (recesion) and instead he is signing our money away!
think about it remember in the early 90's when you couldnt buy the name brand foods cuz you couldnt aford it, well this is the same thing we cant afford to help that big right now. help is help so even if he handed a 20 spot to there leader he helped but 20.3 mil!!!!!
thats food out of your kids mouths all so some one in a third world country can have a condom to save there country from aids. you might not think about the dumb shit like that but thats the little stuff you dont pay attention to!!! now with that said i want my represion check from all those countrys that took my money!!!!!!

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it isnt taking food out of my kids mouthes.the government doesnt feed my kids i do.

im tired of everyone blaming everything on obama.he wasnt my choice for president but i still dont think hes that bad of a person.hes barely been in office and everyone expects everything to be fixed by now.it takes at least a term before people start to see change.

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I likes this statement.

Fr - your topic says fuck obama. SO this is all about him. So what I am saying is he is doing nothing new. Plus a certain degree of this type of stuff has to happen to stay in the UN. A lot of it is about diplomacy. Like I said I am with you on the frustration point. But not from the same angle. I think that money can help people here, but not me directly as I am doing just fine. I did not see one F-bush post like this when he was fucking up. But let me guess you voted for him
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
This is the best bumper sticker.
"I'll keep my guns, freedom and money, you can keep the change."
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
This is the best bumper sticker.
"I'll keep my guns, freedom and money, you can keep the change."

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
This is the best bumper sticker.
"I'll keep my guns, freedom and money, you can keep the change."

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I have one of those too, lol. Funny sticker

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Originally posted by N8:
Fr - your topic says fuck obama. SO this is all about him. So what I am saying is he is doing (nothing new.)

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Originally posted by N8:
I did not see one F-bush post like this when he was fucking up. But let me guess you voted for him

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thats right you didnt because i wasnt even a member of this site untill a month or so befor the election!
but yes i did vote for G.W.B., your telling me that you voted for Al Gore?????? you dont expect everyone in hear to belive that do you????
especialy with your "vote for the lesser of two evils" comment.

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
honestly I voted for someone off the wall that year, because I believed both of them were tools. But GW, was a dumb MF from the gate. I cannot trust anyones judgment (when it comes to presidents) who wholeheartedly voted for the idiot. Gore was a dreamer IMO, and not too firmly rooted in the now.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
This is the best bumper sticker.
"I'll keep my guns, freedom and money, you can keep the change."

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I have one of those too, lol. Funny sticker

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i thought you were all about Obama?

Where'd you get the sticker i want to put it on my Explorer

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
I don't think Obama is lesser of two evils. I haven't seen any change come out of him.

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Thats the beauty of America, everyone has a view/opinion and should be respected. but my view is if you voted for Bush, your opinion is damaged goods in the realm of politics. Dude was extremely ignorant, dumb, self serving and selfish. And you speak about a agenda? He prided himself on being a war-time president. Started a half baked war based on erroneous and mis-guided info. And you wanna see where the change is? Hell we are withdrawing from that dumb ass war. That is change. You guys are bitching and complaining about re-directed funds to help people. But you are ignoring the fact that your beloved G-Dub directed way more funds away from YOUR household to chase ghosts. But nope dont see you guys complaining about his run in the office. Obama has been sent on a impossible mission to right in 4 years what someone has had 8 years to wrong. Dude hasnt been in office for a year yet and you guys are expecting miracles.

Not trying to change anyone's mind, but you guys have to measure by the same stick you did with Bush. He did nothing in 8 years that I would consider a milestone, but architect another vietnam-ish situation. Oh wait he did contribute countless sound-bites of ignorance and give birth to several water cooler and bar jokes.
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

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I don't think Obama is lesser of two evils. I haven't seen any change come out of him.

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Thats the beauty of America, everyone has a view/opinion and should be respected. but my view is if you voted for Bush, your opinion is damaged goods in the realm of politics. Dude was extremely ignorant, dumb, self serving and selfish. And you speak about a agenda? He prided himself on being a war-time president. Started a half baked war based on erroneous and mis-guided info. And you wanna see where the change is? Hell we are withdrawing from that dumb ass war. That is change. You guys are bitching and complaining about re-directed funds to help people. But you are ignoring the fact that your beloved G-Dub directed way more funds away from YOUR household to chase ghosts. But nope dont see you guys complaining about his run in the office. Obama has been sent on a impossible mission to right in 4 years what someone has had 8 years to wrong. Dude hasnt been in office for a year yet and you guys are expecting miracles.

Not trying to change anyone's mind, but you guys have to measure by the same stick you did with Bush. He did nothing in 8 years that I would consider a milestone, but architect another vietnam-ish situation. Oh wait he did contribute countless sound-bites of ignorance and give birth to several water cooler and bar jokes.

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
I don't think Obama is lesser of two evils. I haven't seen any change come out of him.

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Thats the beauty of America, everyone has a view/opinion and should be respected. but my view is if you voted for Bush, your opinion is damaged goods in the realm of politics. Dude was extremely ignorant, dumb, self serving and selfish. And you speak about a agenda? He prided himself on being a war-time president. Started a half baked war based on erroneous and mis-guided info. And you wanna see where the change is? Hell we are withdrawing from that dumb ass war. That is change. You guys are bitching and complaining about re-directed funds to help people. But you are ignoring the fact that your beloved G-Dub directed way more funds away from YOUR household to chase ghosts. But nope dont see you guys complaining about his run in the office. Obama has been sent on a impossible mission to right in 4 years what someone has had 8 years to wrong. Dude hasnt been in office for a year yet and you guys are expecting miracles.

Not trying to change anyone's mind, but you guys have to measure by the same stick you did with Bush. He did nothing in 8 years that I would consider a milestone, but architect another vietnam-ish situation. Oh wait he did contribute countless sound-bites of ignorance and give birth to several water cooler and bar jokes.

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Last time i checked we were sending more soldiers so i am not sure what your talking about, there is no withdrawing going on.
Give it a couple more months and there will be jokes about Obama soon too. i don't understand why people hold him up on a pedestal, hes a politician hes not going to make any changes.

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Not trying to change anyone's mind, but you guys have to measure by the same stick you did with Bush.

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honestly I voted for someone off the wall that year

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Originally posted by N8:
the thing that makes me laugh about this, is the people that think this is a Obama thing. This has been going through some many presidencies it isn't even worth noting. Which is why it squeaked through. If you think your beloved GW didnt do the same you are delusional.

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i think this shows you are one of two things

A. a racist, because you keep protecting Obama (BLACK) and the above quotes you saying "This has been going through some many presidencies" but you blame Bush (WHITE) for it all


or


B.slow in the brain department, because you just posted "This has been going through some many presidencies" which is more than 3 all day!!!! other wise you would have just typed the number three instead of typing out "has been going through some many"!!!


your vote was for BLACK N8 and it shows in every thread that you talk about Obama in!!!
there for your words are damaged goods on that topic aswell!!!!
your beloved Obama Carter will fuck our nation just like Carter. hopefully its not for another 32 years again!!!!

[ May 22, 2009, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
way to deflect.
But I will accept that. Hell him being black is a bonus. Not the reason for my vote. I don't hire people because of race so I definitely wont vote for a leader because of race. I think you mix being proud with racism. I had no problem voting for McCain if I like his stance/platform. My main point is how you expect more from Obama and hold him more accountable than your beloved GW. I think that is unfair. Hell if Obama is messing up then I am on his ass like everyone else. But less than 1 year into something he has 4 years to straighten which the person before spent 8 years messing up. You expect everything to be peaches in creme?
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Here is your "Change"

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Politics/2009/05/22/Obama-vows-no-war-without/1243007218.html

Quote from artice
"He promised newly graduated Navy and Marine officers that he will not send Americans into battle unless "it is absolutely necessary" and when the mission is well-defined."

That is a giant change! And a big reason for my vote.

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:

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Originally posted by N8:
Here is your "Change"

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Politics/2009/05/22/Obama-vows-no-war-without/1243007218.html

Quote from artice
"He promised newly graduated Navy and Marine officers that he will not send Americans into battle unless "it is absolutely necessary" and when the mission is well-defined."

That is a giant change! And a big reason for my vote.

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thats just talk, i don't apply talk to change, he hasn't changed anything.
He'll talk about change, promise change, but you won't see any results.

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Originally posted by N8:
Here is your "Change"

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Politics/2009/05/22/Obama-vows-no-war-without/1243007218.html

Quote from artice
"He promised newly graduated Navy and Marine officers that he will not send Americans into battle unless "it is absolutely necessary" and when the mission is well-defined."

That is a giant change! And a big reason for my vote.

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thats just talk, i don't apply talk to change, he hasn't changed anything.
He'll talk about change, promise change, but you won't see any results.

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Well it is change no matter how you cut it. because your beloved GW rushed into a war eyes wide shut. And is pretty much the reason this economy is the way it is. So just for the fact we have a non-ignorant, educated person in office that will actually think, is CHANGE. You have to admit GW was about as sharp as a spoon and smart as a door knob.

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Originally posted by N8:
the thing that makes me laugh about this, is the people that think this is a Obama thing. This has been going through some many presidencies it isn't even worth noting. Which is why it squeaked through. If you think your beloved GW didnt do the same you are delusional.

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So just for the fact we have a non-ignorant, educated person in office that will actually think, is CHANGE.

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sooooooo this is the educated person your talking about??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-l2f7TWZjs
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
Every speech Obama gives he has to mention the last Presidency. Obama is just going to live in the past and blame the past for his failures when it comes down to it
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Every speech Obama gives he has to mention the last Presidency. Obama is just going to live in the past and blame the past for his failures when it comes down to it

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i like the way you talk!!!! it seems where a dieing breed on this forum or people are scared to go against the grain and speak up!!! well what ever it is you got my respect for being taller than the crowd!!!!!
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
Every speech Obama gives he has to mention the last Presidency. Obama is just going to live in the past and blame the past for his failures when it comes down to it

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i like the way you talk!!!! it seems where a dieing breed on this forum or people are scared to go against the grain and speak up!!! well what ever it is you got my respect for being taller than the crowd!!!!!

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:
Every speech Obama gives he has to mention the last Presidency. Obama is just going to live in the past and blame the past for his failures when it comes down to it

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i like the way you talk!!!! it seems where a dieing breed on this forum or people are scared to go against the grain and speak up!!! well what ever it is you got my respect for being taller than the crowd!!!!!

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In all honesty, I do think he mentions that too much as well. Sometimes it is warranted. But at one point, you need to let it go. You signed, you knew the job was dangerous, just do it. But.... On the flip side you have to admit he inherited a terribly large undertaking. And no one is acknowledging that. Because if they did, they would essentially blaming Bush (and speaking to their own judgment). And even in this thread not one Obama detractor has said "yea Bush screwed up". But again I do agree just do what you do and stop mentioning Bush.

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so were in agreeance that nothing has changed! obama hasent done anything to help the little guy like he said, he has acctualy put the little guy in a tighter position then he was already.

he has signed away billions of dollers not to mention his NY city escapade, and now in so many actions he wants to take our cars away from us................

let me ask you a question, i live near a small town with a lot of poverty. now in this town there are several single mothers and broke mofo's that are on some form of government help.
now these people are trashy, ghetto if you will there houses are disgusting there cars are straight crop duster pos's but there still trying, people have killed them selfs in better situations.
any way how does rich ass Obama think these people can servive when it comes to his bogus laws?

not that i even care because im not a fan of dead beats on government aid but what if it was your mom and you couldnt help her out of her situation?

im just curious how you will comment back on this because, many months ago when we talked about how you should vote for everyone not just your self and you agreed.
i used to think a lot higher about you but it seems your thoughts and views do not take in accountably for others and how these things will help us all!!!

greedy people have brought this country down, are you one of those that helped bring it down or are you one who wants to help???????


oh and thanks for droping the Bush act in advance...
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
No we are not in agreement. IMO, he has changed things or on the way to changing things that mean something to me. Exit strategy for war, closing Guantanamo bay, Fuel related issues, hell for the simple fact that we have an intelligent body in that seat is change for me. Shit just not hearing Bush's dumb ass speaking is change for me. He was a absolute moron.

As for your question I am not sure how or if I should answer it. You are asking me to speculate tell you what Obama is thinking. And I have no clue. As for my family's needs, I cannot say "IF", I do not need my government to help me out, I am a natural go-getter so I would make it happen and there is not situation one can present that I would not feel I cannot make something happen for my family. I broke out extreme poverty and while I am not ballin, God has blessed me with the ability to raise my kids comfortably and I was able to help my family out after Katrina. So me to comment on what others should do with or without government aide is neither here nor there. And again speculation. I think you and I agree on many things about Obama. It is just you guys are not fair in your criticism. That is where the disconnect is happening.

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way too many people on this board know me or know enough about me to know that I am in no way racist. So you can really stop trying to paint that on me. Hell I am mixed my damn self. So you can quit with that.

[ May 23, 2009, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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No we are not in agreement. IMO, he has changed things or on the way to changing things that mean something to me. Exit strategy for war, closing Guantanamo bay, Fuel related issues, hell for the simple fact that we have an intelligent body in that seat is change for me.

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Thats all everyone needs to know, Bullshittin Bush couldnt do half of the stuff he did in his 8 year term.

Just Obama winning the election was enough CHANGE for me

YES WE CANN!!
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
Bush talked about all that stuff to.
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Bush talked about all that stuff to.

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Obama won, America Lost. That is all.

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Bush talked about all that stuff to.

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Thats the thing, bullshittin Bush just "TALKED".

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All i have seen is talk from Obama
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:

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Bush talked about all that stuff to.

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Thats the thing, bullshittin Bush just "TALKED".

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All i have seen is talk from Obama

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Then why are you literally "whining" over your firearms and ammo's?

Im going to point out some of the CHANGES he did, N8 pointed out some but i guess you overlooked them.

Some of these changes, it wouldve took Bullshittin Bush over 50 years to come up with.

No More 'War on Terror' For President Obama, words do matter. The administration will no longer be employing the phrases "war on terror" and "enemy combatants," words that defined the Bush administration's foreign policy after the events of Sept. 11, 2001. The announcement that the term "war on terror" won't be used was made by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just days before President Obama embarked on his first overseas trip to Europe as U.S. president. "The administration has stopped using the phrase and I think that speaks for itself," Clinton said at an international conference on Afghanistan in Amsterdam.


Closing Detainee Center at Guantanamo In his first major step in office, Obama signed an executive order closing down the detainee center at the Guantanamo Bay military facility within a year, and established new guidelines on interrogation methods and the treatment of detainees. In another order signed on the same day, Obama mandated all U.S. interrogators in all agencies to adhere to rules in the Army Field Manual, and the president also called for the shut down of CIA detention centers around the world.


Troops Drawdown in Iraq Partially fulfilling one of his major campaign promises that probably is one of the sharpest reversals from Bush's policy, Obama ordered the drawdown of troops in Iraq at a late February pit stop in Camp Lejune, N.C. "Let me say this as plainly as I can: by Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end," the president said on Feb. 27 in a gathering of troops.

Endorsing Gay Rights On March 18, the Obama administration formally endorsed a United Nations statement urging world leaders to decriminalize homosexuality, a declaration that less than three months ago Bush refused to sign.

Stem Cell Research In his latest rollback of Bush administration policies, President Obama signed an executive order Monday lifting the 7½-year ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research and a memorandum covering all scientific research.


Global Gag Rule The debate on whether U.S. government should fund international family planning groups that provide abortions or related services has been brewing for decades. Obama overturned the policy on Jan. 23, just days after he took the oath of office.

Provider Conscience Rule Breaking with Bush on health care, Obama wants to give more power back to the patients on whether health care providers should provide controversial services.

Memos on Harsh Interrogation Techniques In April, the Department of Justice (DOJ) released legal memos detailing the authorization and legalization of harsh interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding, on detainees under U.S. custody. The president has indicated he does not believe that those who were simply following orders given to them by senior officials should be prosecuted. However, he left the door open for possible charges against high-level officials.

Interrogation Photos The Pentagon will turn over 44 photos to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), showing abuse of prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Obama administration could have taken the case to the Supreme Court, but instead decided to hand over the pictures. Since the ACLU filed the lawsuit, they will be the first recipients of the photos.

Casket Ban The Pentagon lifted the controversial ban on the photographing of flag-draped caskets of America's war dead, reversing the policy that was implemented by George Bush in 2001. Under the new rules, families will decide whether to grant media access to caskets of the dead and the military will suggest guidelines for how much coverage to allow.


Greenhouse Gases The Environmental Protection Agency's finding that greenhouse gases are hazardous to public health and welfare gives Obama the authority to invoke stricter emission controls and regulations under the 40-year-old Clean Air Act. Starting from his campaign, the president has said he wants to focus on creating green jobs and a more comprehensive energy and environmental policy. While focusing on energy efficient cars and buildings, he has reiterated that he wants to reduce dependence on foreign oil.

Endangered Species Act The president authorized full scientific reviews of projects that might harm endangered wildlife and plants. Obama's memorandum overrides the Bush administration regulation that limits scientific reviews of projects that could harm endangered species.

Restrictions on Cuba The president relaxed travel, commerce and mail restrictions on Cuba, allowing American-Cuban families unlimited visits to the island and no restrictions on the amount of remittances they can send back.

Source : ABC News


Thats just the first 100 days, im not even mentioning of the changes he brought to the damm WORLD after he took the seat. I will never forget kids, teenagers at 6AM holding signs, encouraging people to vote. People all over the world celebrating. Obama came in a form of a HERO to PEOPLE all over the world. Shit even ERNESTO and 302DROP's cousins were celerbrating over in Mexico, and they dont frikken know where the WHITE HOUSE RESIDES LOLOLOL!!!!
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
I think Obama is all talk... Like most of these elected people
They say what you wanna hear then can't make it happen let me say that I am scared about a few things this guy wants to do:
1 national health care ( I don't want my check up to feel like I'm going to DMV)
2 fight against " C02 "
3 ban against firearms ( a semi auto shotgun is an assalt wepon?)
4 trying to close G.B( they deserve a second chance right?)
5 taking pics of caskets... The libs love to see dead troops.. They get off on it.. The more dead the more bush is blamed!
6 waterboarding.... It doesn't even bother my girl( who voted for Obama) and she thinks they should get worse stuff done to them
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 
Has Obama stopped the Patriot Act?
Only change we'll see is more of our rights taken away because people in power don't want to give up their power. We'll also see more taxes to pay for the things they want to accomplish that probably won't even help 50% of the citizens of the US.
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
It must be nice to get to spend other people's money on what you feel is the best for them... And make more then most of us and not be held responsible for your fuck ups !
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 
you guys are never gunna get threw to these crazy west wings
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

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It must be nice to get to spend other people's money on what you feel is the best for them... And make more then most of us and not be held responsible for your fuck ups !

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you guys are never gunna get threw to these crazy west wings

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 

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Originally posted by WildFire532FB:

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you guys are never gunna get threw to these crazy west wings

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I never back down from a challenge

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Originally posted by slowback67:
I think Obama is all talk... Like most of these elected people...

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Exactly, this is a very (semi) responsible statement. And pretty much what I have been saying the whole time. but the thing that makes it not come full circle is any of you guys owning up and admitting what a fuck up the last president was (the one you voted for). And what a absolute catastrophe he left the US in (for Obama to fix). All you guys can do is speculate about Obama. And I can respect that. But Bush absolutely fucked and did nothing good in 8 years. So that has been realized. Yet you want to sit here and harp on the potential fuck ups Obama may make and dance around the the mistakes that your chosen president made. It is the second half that makes me fly the

Just curious why none of you will man up and admit Bush fucked up about as bad as any president has? Actually I wonder why no one owns up to the travesty that is known and George W Bush.

[ May 26, 2009, 12:43 AM: Message edited by: N8 ]
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by slowback67:
I think Obama is all talk... Like most of these elected people...

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Exactly, this is a very (semi) responsible statement. And pretty much what I have been saying the whole time. but the thing that makes it not come full circle is any of you guys owning up and admitting what a fuck up the last president was (the one you voted for). And what a absolute catastrophe he left the US in (for Obama to fix). All you guys can do is speculate about Obama. And I can respect that. But Bush absolutely fucked and did nothing good in 8 years. So that has been realized. Yet you want to sit here and harp on the potential fuck ups Obama may make and dance around the the mistakes that your chosen president made. It is the second half that makes me fly the

Just curious why none of you will man up and admit Bush fucked up about as bad as any president has? Actually I wonder why no one owns up to the travesty that is known and George W Bush.

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because your the only one living in the past! sorry N8, but ima deal with the fuck up at hand! who gives a fuck what bush DID, this is the now!!!!!! how about you own up to what fuck ups are about to happen!!!!!!!! so heres my to you!!!!!!
 

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Posted by WildFire532FB (Member # 1482) on :
 

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Originally posted by fr5.0:

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Originally posted by N8:

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Originally posted by slowback67:
I think Obama is all talk... Like most of these elected people...

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Exactly, this is a very (semi) responsible statement. And pretty much what I have been saying the whole time. but the thing that makes it not come full circle is any of you guys owning up and admitting what a fuck up the last president was (the one you voted for). And what a absolute catastrophe he left the US in (for Obama to fix). All you guys can do is speculate about Obama. And I can respect that. But Bush absolutely fucked and did nothing good in 8 years. So that has been realized. Yet you want to sit here and harp on the potential fuck ups Obama may make and dance around the the mistakes that your chosen president made. It is the second half that makes me fly the

Just curious why none of you will man up and admit Bush fucked up about as bad as any president has? Actually I wonder why no one owns up to the travesty that is known and George W Bush.

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because your the only one living in the past! sorry N8, but ima deal with the fuck up at hand! who gives a fuck what bush DID, this is the now!!!!!! how about you own up to what fuck ups are about to happen!!!!!!!! so heres my to you!!!!!!

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i agree, yeah Bush fucked up, but hes not President anymore so why worry about it. I am worried about what Obama is going to fuck up now.
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
I was against the big spending that bush did
I was and still am for our actions in Iraq and afgan.
( funny how people forget that Clinton was told Iraq had WMD's and those same people told Bush... Didn't Clinton have a chance to take out bin laden? Must have been to busy cheating on his wife
Didn't bush sign the no child left behind bill? That was a dumb thing to do right... Only someone who doesn't care about black people would do something like that
Letting the Clinton wepons ban die was one of the things I was happy about.
Would love to know what Al Gore would have done on September 11 2001 oh I forgot bush was found at fault for that one too... That wouldn't have happed if the man who invented the Internet would have been running the show
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by slowback67:
I was against the big spending that bush did
I was and still am for our actions in Iraq and afgan.
( funny how people forget that Clinton was told Iraq had WMD's and those same people told Bush... Didn't Clinton have a chance to take out bin laden? Must have been to busy cheating on his wife
Didn't bush sign the no child left behind bill? That was a dumb thing to do right... Only someone who doesn't care about black people would do something like that
Letting the Clinton wepons ban die was one of the things I was happy about.
Would love to know what Al Gore would have done on September 11 2001 oh I forgot bush was found at fault for that one too... That wouldn't have happed if the man who invented the Internet would have been running the show

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Originally posted by slowback67:
I think Obama is all talk... Like most of these elected people...

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Exactly, this is a very (semi) responsible statement. And pretty much what I have been saying the whole time. but the thing that makes it not come full circle is any of you guys owning up and admitting what a fuck up the last president was (the one you voted for). And what a absolute catastrophe he left the US in (for Obama to fix). All you guys can do is speculate about Obama. And I can respect that. But Bush absolutely fucked and did nothing good in 8 years. So that has been realized. Yet you want to sit here and harp on the potential fuck ups Obama may make and dance around the the mistakes that your chosen president made. It is the second half that makes me fly the

Just curious why none of you will man up and admit Bush fucked up about as bad as any president has? Actually I wonder why no one owns up to the travesty that is known and George W Bush.

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because your the only one living in the past! sorry N8, but ima deal with the fuck up at hand! who gives a fuck what bush DID, this is the now!!!!!! how about you own up to what fuck ups are about to happen!!!!!!!! so heres my to you!!!!!!

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i agree, yeah Bush fucked up...

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That is exactly what i wanted to hear. To me it makes all your opinions valid, when you can agree that the person beforehand fucked up. Why you ask? Because to me you understand that the nation is in a serious state of turmoil, which was not caused by the current president but he bears the burden of fixing it. So you have a pre-conceived notion of what it takes to fix it and frankly you do not think the president is doing enough. That I can live with. But if you think he is the reason everything is the way it is and is the sole cause, which most people who voted for Bush seems to think. Then it actually makes the Obama detractor arguments very weak, so much so it isnt even worth speaking to them, because their views aren't realistic. I mean Bush had 8 years to mess this up not only is it near impossible to right it in 4 years, but most are asking that he do it in the less than a year. Also I do not think Bush has been removed enough to totally absolve him of responsibility, yes I know he no longer has the voice of the nation, but a lot of things that he put in motion are still a fat anchor on this government and economy. The Iraq war being one. Our economy will likely never rebound fully as long as we are over there.

Now I am not totally against being there. But our mission is so fuzzy now, the plan was retarded and intelligence was about as smart as Bush. We need a better leader to pull off something of that magnitude. And until that is over Bush stain on this country remains. So IMO, Bush still has everything to do with this horrible socio-economic environment.

I am pretty much done, I really just wanted to hear one person against Obama, stand up and admit, Bush messsed us up bad. And I commend you Dana for being that one. It makes me respect your position on this all the more

 

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Posted by 86- 50 (Member # 4723) on :
 
I'm with n8 on this one, you guys are so quick to talk about obama, and whats funny is that even if obama fucks up badly and don't do nothing he promised(WHICH HE ALREADY DID A FEW OF THEM) he still isnt going to be half as bad s bush that you guys had little to nothing to say about the eight years he was in office
 

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Posted by t top freak (Member # 6269) on :
 
all bullshit aside i hope his policies and "changes" work.

if he succeeds then we all succeed.

oh im a republican.
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
I'm with n8 on this one, you guys are so quick to talk about obama, and whats funny is that even if obama fucks up badly and don't do nothing he promised(WHICH HE ALREADY DID A FEW OF THEM) he still isnt going to be half as bad s bush that you guys had little to nothing to say about the eight years he was in office

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Amen


My 5yr old neice couldve done a better job running the country then Bush.
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 

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Originally posted by t top freak:
all bullshit aside i hope his policies and "changes" work.

if he succeeds then we all succeed.

oh im a republican.

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Originally posted by slowback67:

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Originally posted by t top freak:
all bullshit aside i hope his policies and "changes" work.

if he succeeds then we all succeed.

oh im a republican.

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so you want national healthcare, the end G.B., the end of waterboarding, more deficit spending, gun bans, end the trading embargo with Cuba, gov. Owned banks and car company's,cap and trade(tax on energy), amnesty for illegals who will vote democratic on everything.....
I feel the same way Rush does, I want Obama's "policy's" to fail

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Originally posted by slowback67:

If the gov. Didn't make American car companys bend over backwards with unions and cafe standards they wouldn't be broke.

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Originally posted by t top freak:

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Originally posted by slowback67:

If the gov. Didn't make American car companys bend over backwards with unions and cafe standards they wouldn't be broke.

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that is so false.

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Originally posted by slowback67:

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Originally posted by t top freak:

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Originally posted by slowback67:

If the gov. Didn't make American car companys bend over backwards with unions and cafe standards they wouldn't be broke.

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that is so false.

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why are they broke then?

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Originally posted by N8:
90gtvert

is my new bestest friend...lol. reserve judgment for the appropriate time. and if you take that "if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck" stance with obama. Then why did you let Bush pour syrup on shit and tell you its pancakes is my main point. I am pro obama but I am not pro fuck up. meaning if obama messes up then I will criticise him too. but at the right moment.

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I was a republican until this election, I had to re-register ..... I am pro-obama as well, as the same republican bullshit that happened for the last 8 years (that i soooooo wrongly approved) messed us up and we need real change.

Now if Obama fucks up ill be the first to jump off the bandwagon...but i REALLY REALLY hope for the sake of the US that he doesnt.

Mike

[ May 26, 2009, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: 90gtvert ]
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by N8:
That is exactly what i wanted to hear. To me it makes all your opinions valid, when you can agree that the person beforehand fucked up. Why you ask? Because to me you understand that the nation is in a serious state of turmoil, which was not caused by the current president but he bears the burden of fixing it. So you have a pre-conceived notion of what it takes to fix it and frankly you do not think the president is doing enough. That I can live with. But if you think he is the reason everything is the way it is and is the sole cause, which most people who voted for Bush seems to think. Then it actually makes the Obama detractor arguments very weak, so much so it isnt even worth speaking to them, because their views aren't realistic. I mean Bush had 8 years to mess this up not only is it near impossible to right it in 4 years, but most are asking that he do it in the less than a year. Also I do not think Bush has been removed enough to totally absolve him of responsibility, yes I know he no longer has the voice of the nation, but a lot of things that he put in motion are still a fat anchor on this government and economy. The Iraq war being one. Our economy will likely never rebound fully as long as we are over there.

Now I am not totally against being there. But our mission is so fuzzy now, the plan was retarded and intelligence was about as smart as Bush. We need a better leader to pull off something of that magnitude. And until that is over Bush stain on this country remains. So IMO, Bush still has everything to do with this horrible socio-economic environment.

I am pretty much done, I really just wanted to hear one person against Obama, stand up and admit, Bush messsed us up bad. And I commend you Dana for being that one. It makes me respect your position on this all the more

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so this is exactly what i wanted people to see!!! no one ever said Obama did all this to our econ.
this is a ploy so you dont have to talk about the topic at hand or speak on what you have no knowledge on!!!!
every obama thread you turn in to a bash bush thread this is because you have no idea what is realy going on and no clue how to counter a direct flaw towards obama! please stay on topic i have tried to help you not look so ignorant but you persist on making your self look this way. bush is so far from anyones mind right now do you know why???? because obama is prez.!!!!!
you will never win this battle because you are not smart enough to realize all you do is talk about bush!!!!

so since this is a obama f$#k up thread does anyone know how to have a conversation about the topic????
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
sorry my man, I refuse to let you put bullshit propaganda out there. Yea the dude is gonna make some decisions that dont sit right with some. I have said this countless times. But for you to paint this scenario that the US is doomed. It is my CaFords duty to put the other side of the coin out there. As for this topic, I am done and will let you have the floor as I have heard and said all I wanted to say.

But I do find it funny, that you call me to answer rhetorical questions, call me out to see how I would respond to other folks comments. Then you tell me to stay on topic. LOL. Anyway my man you got the floor back and your post. But I will lurk in the next one waiting for that perfect time to strike hahaha. So you better have wikipedia open when you blurt out the next round of nonsensical information....
 

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Posted by 86- 50 (Member # 4723) on :
 
How can you have a bash obama thread and say don't bring up bush, fr5.0 you come on here calling people stupid and you not wanting to hear about bush is the dumbest thing i ever heard. You act like bush was president 10 years ago rather than less than 6 months ago. He messed things up so badly, in 10 years we still might be talking about how things is still messed up because of bush.
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
So at what point are we going to stop blaming bush?
Is it bush's fault that the housing market crashed? Is it his fault for 9/11? Katrina? How about north Korea starting up it's nuclear program? Iran wanting to blow up israel?

the problem with politicians is they are all talk. Obama talks a good game, but is he ready to lead the country? Have you guys seen how many times he re financed his house? He was one of these Americans that was spending more then he was making.. If he was not elected as a senator he could have been broke. When he did get elected he just so happened to help out the hospital his wife was working at and guess what she got a fat raise ( this is a fact )
The moral of the story is know matter who you vote for more then likely they are or have done some shady stuff at some point to get where they are.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
How can you have a bash obama thread and say don't bring up bush, fr5.0 you come on here calling people stupid and you not wanting to hear about bush is the dumbest thing i ever heard. You act like bush was president 10 years ago rather than less than 6 months ago. He messed things up so badly, in 10 years we still might be talking about how things is still messed up because of bush.

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well then you tell me how obamas radical thoughts and laws bring bush in to the picture????
ban on assault wepons, what does that have to do with bush???
$20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA, what does this have to do with bush???
$20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and "conflict victims" in Gaza, what does this have to do with bush????
fund/facilitate abortion(S) not just here within the U. S., but within the world, using U. S. taxpayer funds. what does this have to do with bush?????
shall i go on 86- 50???

you may think that N8 is older and wiser so you should back him up, but maybe you dont understand. N8 is pulling the wool over your eyes, not on purpose he has just been lead to talk around the situation at hand because people around him do the same. if you notice in every thread about Obama, N8 turns the whole thread into the save and bash bush thread.
never realy talking about the real problem which is the laws and rules Obama is setting. N8 has never answerd one question about Obama's radical laws ever on this forum, do a search and you will find this to be true.

N8, i do not hate you but i do think you are misguided and uninformed. i do apoligize for the nasty things i say to you some times but i get very passionate like stated in past threads. also alot of the time your posts seem a bit racist, when i notice these i feel it is my CAfords duty to call you on it.
just a word of advice being mixed does not get you out of the racist category, that was a lame excuse!

if anyone can answer the questions above please chime in, but only if you are edjucated on the topic.

thank you!
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by slowback67:
....the problem with politicians is they are all talk. Obama talks a good game, but is he ready to lead the country? Have you guys seen how many times he re financed his house?....
The moral of the story is know matter who you vote for more then likely they are or have done some shady stuff at some point to get where they are.

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Very valid when you put the over all understanding of the people we put in that office. People are treating Obama as as a special case. He is still a politician and my point is, he should not be subjected to a higher level of scrutiny than his predecessors. Once we have that understanding, it makes your arguments seem less slanted. That is all I have been saying. Now you and I are on the same page

FR
I do not hate you either, and if you made a personal jab at me I missed it (well other than trying to make me seem racist...lol). But apology accepted. I think you are missing my position. I consider myself neither Dem or Rep. I do not let party lines influence my decisions. I did not vote based on color (though I am extremely proud he is black). And like I said, I am pro Obama, but I am not pro fuck-up. So I am able to jump off this bandwagon at any point. But I am going to give him his fair chance to prove us right or wrong. You cannot doom America 6 months into a office. You just cant. You are welcome to your opinion, but if you want to come across less ranty and fanatical, I think you should understand and acknowledge the path it took for us to get to the terrible state. Which involves pulling Bush in and unfortunately holding him accountable for his actions.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Originally posted by slowback67:
....the problem with politicians is they are all talk. Obama talks a good game, but is he ready to lead the country? Have you guys seen how many times he re financed his house?....
The moral of the story is know matter who you vote for more then likely they are or have done some shady stuff at some point to get where they are.

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Very valid when you put the over all understanding of the people we put in that office. People are treating Obama as as a special case. He is still a politician and my point is, he should not be subjected to a higher level of scrutiny than his predecessors. Once we have that understanding, it makes your arguments seem less slanted. That is all I have been saying. Now you and I are on the same page

FR
I do not hate you either, and if you made a personal jab at me I missed it (well other than trying to make me seem racist...lol). But apology accepted. I think you are missing my position. I consider myself neither Dem or Rep. I do not let party lines influence my decisions. I did not vote based on color (though I am extremely proud he is black). And like I said, I am pro Obama, but I am not pro fuck-up. So I am able to jump off this bandwagon at any point. But I am going to give him his fair chance to prove us right or wrong. You cannot doom America 6 months into a office. You just cant. You are welcome to your opinion, but if you want to come across less ranty and fanatical, I think you should understand and acknowledge the path it took for us to get to the terrible state. Which involves pulling Bush in and unfortunately holding him accountable for his actions.

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Originally posted by AL STOCK:


Im going to point out some of the CHANGES he did, N8 pointed out some but i guess you overlooked them.

Some of these changes, it wouldve took Bullshittin Bush over 50 years to come up with.

No More 'War on Terror' For President Obama, words do matter. The administration will no longer be employing the phrases "war on terror" and "enemy combatants," words that defined the Bush administration's foreign policy after the events of Sept. 11, 2001. The announcement that the term "war on terror" won't be used was made by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just days before President Obama embarked on his first overseas trip to Europe as U.S. president. "The administration has stopped using the phrase and I think that speaks for itself," Clinton said at an international conference on Afghanistan in Amsterdam.


Closing Detainee Center at Guantanamo In his first major step in office, Obama signed an executive order closing down the detainee center at the Guantanamo Bay military facility within a year, and established new guidelines on interrogation methods and the treatment of detainees. In another order signed on the same day, Obama mandated all U.S. interrogators in all agencies to adhere to rules in the Army Field Manual, and the president also called for the shut down of CIA detention centers around the world.


Troops Drawdown in Iraq Partially fulfilling one of his major campaign promises that probably is one of the sharpest reversals from Bush's policy, Obama ordered the drawdown of troops in Iraq at a late February pit stop in Camp Lejune, N.C. "Let me say this as plainly as I can: by Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end," the president said on Feb. 27 in a gathering of troops.

Endorsing Gay Rights On March 18, the Obama administration formally endorsed a United Nations statement urging world leaders to decriminalize homosexuality, a declaration that less than three months ago Bush refused to sign.

Stem Cell Research In his latest rollback of Bush administration policies, President Obama signed an executive order Monday lifting the 7½-year ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research and a memorandum covering all scientific research.


Global Gag Rule The debate on whether U.S. government should fund international family planning groups that provide abortions or related services has been brewing for decades. Obama overturned the policy on Jan. 23, just days after he took the oath of office.

Provider Conscience Rule Breaking with Bush on health care, Obama wants to give more power back to the patients on whether health care providers should provide controversial services.

Memos on Harsh Interrogation Techniques In April, the Department of Justice (DOJ) released legal memos detailing the authorization and legalization of harsh interrogation techniques, such as waterboarding, on detainees under U.S. custody. The president has indicated he does not believe that those who were simply following orders given to them by senior officials should be prosecuted. However, he left the door open for possible charges against high-level officials.

Interrogation Photos The Pentagon will turn over 44 photos to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), showing abuse of prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Obama administration could have taken the case to the Supreme Court, but instead decided to hand over the pictures. Since the ACLU filed the lawsuit, they will be the first recipients of the photos.

Casket Ban The Pentagon lifted the controversial ban on the photographing of flag-draped caskets of America's war dead, reversing the policy that was implemented by George Bush in 2001. Under the new rules, families will decide whether to grant media access to caskets of the dead and the military will suggest guidelines for how much coverage to allow.


Greenhouse Gases The Environmental Protection Agency's finding that greenhouse gases are hazardous to public health and welfare gives Obama the authority to invoke stricter emission controls and regulations under the 40-year-old Clean Air Act. Starting from his campaign, the president has said he wants to focus on creating green jobs and a more comprehensive energy and environmental policy. While focusing on energy efficient cars and buildings, he has reiterated that he wants to reduce dependence on foreign oil.

Endangered Species Act The president authorized full scientific reviews of projects that might harm endangered wildlife and plants. Obama's memorandum overrides the Bush administration regulation that limits scientific reviews of projects that could harm endangered species.

Restrictions on Cuba The president relaxed travel, commerce and mail restrictions on Cuba, allowing American-Cuban families unlimited visits to the island and no restrictions on the amount of remittances they can send back.

Source : ABC News

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changing the war on terror to overseas contingency operation was a politically correct stunt. when 4000 americans die, i say we are at war with terrorism, it should be called as such.

bringing dangerous terrorists back to the U.S. to rot in our prisons constitutes change for the better?

while he did bring home a few troops from iraq he did deploy more troops in Afghanistan. (as we do need! )

So he makes it easier for people to get abortions by using my tax dollars to fund them and making doctors perform them against their own will. again, this doesn't qualify as the change I wanted.

releasing interrogation techniques used to extract information which now makes it even that much harder to get anything out of captured suspects and also fuels the fire for those wishing us harm does not make America any more safe... in fact quite the contrary i believe

Oh yea, i'm glad to hear he has decided not to release the photos of interrogations to the ACLU. Thats one right decision he's made

and the president now has authority to require stricter emissions standards?? I'm pretty sure this has been going on throughout the bush administration too with many new diesel and gas emission rules. So no change there...

and now we get to visit cuba. for cuban cigars.

So where's the REAL change in all this??

[ May 28, 2009, 06:22 AM: Message edited by: NiftyWhiteFifty ]
 

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Posted by NiftyWhiteFifty (Member # 4320) on :
 
I've kinda been staying out of this thread but i figured what the hell...

I am a republican but will be the first to say that our last president was far from perfect, and far from what i thought my party stood for. I too believe that more emphasis should be put on the person and not the party and that is how i vote. N8 I believe you vote for what you believe in and i can respect that. However your statement about the values this country was founded on not being "republican" is pure opinion. There are a lot of values of the republican party which I believe do date back to our founding fathers. but that could also be said about values of the democratic party as well.

Going forward there are a lot of worries i have about obama. Slowback you're my new best friend on here. I agree with everything you've said in here...

Government should not be taking over healthcare

as far as the auto industry goes I say we need to stop throwing money at them and just let them declare chapter 11 and restructure! because the government running the auto industry just sounds too much like hugo chavez nationalizing the oil companies in venezuela...

and waterboarding THREE, yes THREE terrorists including the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks which killed over 4000 americans??? why should anyone have a problem with this???

oh yea, and obama on closing Guantanamo was just a political stunt which he has now seemed to realize is easier said than done.

what makes me the most afraid is the lack of oversight from the media which seems to slobber all over obama any chance they get.

anyway i'll let N8 and fr get back into it now cuz its more entertaining to just watch

[ May 28, 2009, 06:24 AM: Message edited by: NiftyWhiteFifty ]
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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anyway i'll let N8 and fr get back into it now cuz its more entertaining to just watch

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awww i love it!!!!!! i like N8 hes to only guy on this site that will have a real debate and not get his g string to high in his ass lol!!!!!
N8 is a good ass dude!!!!

oh and N8 some day we will meet and im gunna whip your ass in a thumb wrestle hahahahaha!!!!!

[ May 28, 2009, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: fr5.0 ]
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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anyway i'll let N8 and fr get back into it now cuz its more entertaining to just watch

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awww i love it!!!!!! i like N8 hes to only guy on this site that will have a real debate and not get his g string to high in his ass lol!!!!!
N8 is a good ass dude!!!!

oh and N8 some day we will meet and im gunna whip your ass in a thumb wrestle hahahahaha!!!!!

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aaawwww.....lol. You aaight with me to man.

Its good to have some healthy debate. I know people are tired of me shooting my mouth off. But I am talkative person. So I may as well "keep it real" here and talk it up...
 

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Posted by iron281 (Member # 80) on :
 
This will probably chap some Liberal hide.

FOLLOW THE FASCIST BRICK ROAD


Obama’s approval numbers have gone down. Apparently he sprung a leak in his charisma. In Detroit they have started calling him “Obama, the Pontiac Killer”. He decided he had to destroy the automobile industry in order to save it. This is called “Nationalization”. Well, America, there is another “N word” for ya’. Obama’s ingests his fascism straight - the same way drunks order whiskey – “As it comes”. (There may be no alternative to the Obama fascism but the reintroduction of “the N word” – if for no reason other than that they hate it so much.)



The Democrats are celebrating the first hundred days of the Obama financial diarrhea. His Administration may adopt the motto is “Economic Collapses ‘R’ Us.



Obama has asked his technician, “What do I do if in the middle of my speech the teleprompter goes out? He was advised, “Just keep talking until you think of something to say”. Obama’s speeches have become a form of torture in themselves. They should be called teleboarding.



Arlen Specter has switched over to the Democrat Party where there are better opportunities for him to carry his moderation to excess.



History instructs us, there is almost no country in the world in which Spain did not make the natives restless. Now here they come again.



Michelle Obama is being celebrated all over the media as the First Lady of Fashion. In fact, when she gets all dressed up she looks like a designer potholder. (Incidentally, while the subject of fashion abides, why is it everything Madeleine Albright wears look like expensive mosquito netting?)



The Republican team doesn’t need Gatorade. They need Spine-aid. When Republicans run scared it’s not a race – it’s a marathon. The "Pubbies’" political ploy was to wait and see. Well, they waited and saw. (The Republican Party blew up on the pad - and then they blew up the pad.)



Doctors are trying to determine if the swine flu is carried by a bug called the swine fly. The good news is that some swine flies are too fat to get off the ground. (Incidentally, if you’ve never visited Mexico the swine flu season is the ideal time of year not to go.)



Will the game of the year be The Somali Pirates versus The Harlem Globe Muggers?



Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner is teaching the rest of the Obama Cabinet members the trick of how to drool through their wallets. As a boy, the avaricious, money-grasping Geithner may have been bitten on the neck by a tollbooth.



It is possible Congress will set aside a cool forty billion dollars for research to determine whether toilet seats feel cold to Eskimos.



We’re told John Kerry is the only former naval officer to pass up oak leaf clusters on his medals in favor of sequins.



It is rumored that Macy’s Department Store will replace its traditional Thanksgiving Day festivity with something called The Pigmentation Parade.



Nancy Pelosi acts like someone who left Shangri-La by virtue of having been voted out.



Al Gore is a fog that never lifts.



Janet Napolitano is another cupid stunt. The Democrat Party never seems to run out of them. They are determined to make sure the American Way is no longer the American Way.



The building of the border fence will end in a photo finish with the passage of amnesty.



It won’t take the gays long to realize that same-sex marriage quickly becomes “the same-old sex” marriage. Along those lines, homosexuality is depravity and lesbianism is entertainment.



American money, once called bucks, may soon be called Buckwheats.



Obama has made economic darkness the Fifth Dimension



Is that stuff on Barack Obama’s head hair or an autograph collection?



According to the Saudi King even the Pope said “hello” to him standing up.



There are probably more Muslims in Sweden than in Mecca. It’s just a matter of time before there is a native quarter in Disneyland.



Why hasn’t Gloria Steinem complained that The Saudi Palace doesn’t have a ladies room?



It seems inevitable that Google will have a seat on the United Nations Security Council.



Obama assumes power he does not have and delegates it to people who have neither the right nor the brains to use it. The Obama Presidency signals the death of Idealism.



The racial homogenizing of Europe was already in overkill. The arrival of Obama was the last straw.



Jimmy Carter raised peanuts, which is probably the reason why peanuts never got to be any bigger than peanuts.



Arabs always like to shoot in the air which makes you wonder how come there are so many of them.



George W. Bush saved million of lives in Africa. (That’s another reason.)



The Obama economy may reinvigorate minority interest in looting.



Dianne Feinstein removed any doubt that she is too rich to steal.



Is there any truth to the rumor that Oprah Winfrey uses hockey pucks as pasties?



The problem with Mexican trucks is their brakes are adjusted by Mexican mechanics.



Environmentalism has made this nation as weak as its weakest link. The little good that can come of environmentalism is inundated by what is bad.



The ACLU will supply Somali pirates with back packs so, if they are captured, they can pass themselves off as juveniles in American Courts.



Apparently George W. Bush left Barack Obama a duplicate set of keys to Afghanistan.



Had he seen Sean Penn’s portrayal of him, Harvey Milk would be curdling in his casket.



Fidel Castro has told off another American President. It’s what he lives for. Obama kissed another tyrant’s ass. It’s what he lives for. After five minutes without apologizing to some despot Obama “goes into withdrawal”. (Almost anybody in the Obama Administration can tell you where Napoleon went wrong and Fidel Castro went right.)



Obama is pondering this final question: At his command will American soldiers fire on American civilians?



The way to help the economy is to get Obama’s pointy Florsheims from standing on America’s esophagus.



How does Tom Brokaw manage to keep his apathy on an even keel? And how long can Barney Frank remain gender-free? (It’s likely if the Hindenburg Zeppelin had been piloted by Barney Frank, he would have crashed it into an iceberg.)



The secret of the success of the Obamas’ marriage is that they’re never admitted to each other their real race. (Is it possible Barack Obama hates being a Negro almost as much a Michelle Obama hates being married to one?)



If his treatment of Sarah Palin is the measure, John McCain must have turned on every American prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton.



When will FDR’s New Deal finally die the death it so richly deserves?



If anything characterized both parties it is the failure to keep Mexicans from sneaking into America and the failure to inspire some other minorities to sneak out.



Joe Biden may have to be fitted with a thinking aid. Listening to Biden’s quips is about as much fun as gutting a haddock



Why not re-name this Commie-leaning capital of the United States “Washingrad?”



The only good thing the Governor of California ever did was not take a salary - and he was worth every penny of it. And speaking of money, why not call him Arnold Taxaneggar?



Jeaneane Garofalo looks like a professional Botox donor.



The Obama Administration will send engraved invitations to people who want to acquire permanent Illegal alien status. The invitation will bear the initials B.Y.O.D. (Bring Your Own Drugs).



When will some liberals decide it is possible to be a member of a minority and also an American?



And this …



If Barack Obama were a true American somebody would have noticed it by now.

THE JUDAS PRESIDENT


THE OBAMAS’ TOUR DE FALSE



The Great Obama Cringe Out hit the road. Obama has returned from another surrender bender. The Black Plaque went to Europe – and this time it brought its entourage. The trip was ill-advised. Europeans did not need another Hussein on their continent already bloated with Bedouins. He did not take his “Aunt Screwy” along for fear she would not be allowed back into the country. This may give her time to finish writing her Swahili cook book called “You Are Who You Eat”.

(The familial record alludes, Obama’s mother was a practicing Voo Doo-ist and his father was a devout Mau Mau. Barack is evidence those mixed marriages never work out.)



Obama took 500 people along to Europe. The line to the "Ocupado" must have started on the tarmac at Dulles Airport. It gave the passengers a new urgency to the term “in a holding pattern”. The Obamas cancelled their stopover at Kenya when they realized nobody in the presidential party knew the Zulu word for bagel.



America’s first race-free, gender-free, national loyalty-free President, Barack Obama, had wafted across the globe on a cloud of capitulation, meandering from one country to another preaching his ersatz version of peace. There will be peace in Europe long after there is harmony in Harlem. Like most graduates of Harvard Obama doesn’t realize that the Europeans invented war – and if they didn’t, they are more than happy to take the credit for it. (Academics invariably gravitate to Harvard where ignorance is its bread and butter.)



A rock star and his sorority bimbo undertook to fix the world. Nobody sent them. They just went. The President has oversold himself to the callow world of rock as Barack “I Am the World” Obama. There is some question about whether Obama qualifies as a rock star. That culture portends that you’re not really a rock star until you “beat up on yo’ bitch” a few times. It is possible rock ‘n roll is actually just a race riot set to music.



Their trek was an orgy of apologia that has earned the Obamas all the contempt and condemnation America can muster. Obama must have received a midnight visit from The Spirit of Munich Past. His performance raised the question, is Neville Chamberlain still dead? Apparently Barack is determined to be a disgrace to countries besides our own. The only thing comparable to Obama’s cowardice abroad is Republicans’ cowardice at home.



GROPING THE QUEEN



The Washington cognoscenti are still celebrating the return of this CEO-firing President and his Queen-touching wife. (Michelle was all over Her Royal Highness like a cheap suit.)



The Obama trip was judged a success when foreign fashion designers declared Michelle Obama has a great pair of “chitlins”. At Buckingham Palace the changing of the guard meant wearing their sleeveless uniforms to honor of the First Wifey. Sorority squid Michelle “Gee Ain’t I Swell” Obama believes she can wriggle her way into the celebrity world’s affections. Shallow is as shallow does.



England was intoxicating for the Obamas who are inveterate social climbers - although they don’t know the difference between the porridge and the peerage. It was a case of Woodstock meets Windsor. (Inasmuch as America’s infamous music festival took place in a cow pasture it should have been called Woodflop.) In honor of Michelle the Palace Chef served up sho’tnin’ bread and champagne.



In this case Black Beauty is not a horse of another color, but one of a cross-grained disposition. If provoked, Michelle would slap Mother Theresa’s across the face with a wet flounder and knee Mahatma Gandhi in the groin.



The media made a big deal out of Michelle Obama touching Queen Elizabeth. The Functionary in Charge of Palace Protocol called that kind of presumption not “touchy feelie” but “touchy pushy”. America’s First Lady had to be reminded it is improper to “goose” the Queen and that she must fight the impulse to indulge in such sorority hi-jinks. (It’s said, Michelle is inclined to caress herself when there is no queen available.)



The royal family pretended to be impressed with Michelle Obama’s elegant manner - having never before seen anyone eat a banana with a knife and fork. The Queen felt obliged to have something on a tray later in her room.



The fact that the world has fallen on lean times did not keep the Obamas from “pigging out” all the way across Europe. They were not embarrassed to ask the Queen for doggy bags or as they’re called at Buckingham Palace “Bucky Bags”.



Michelle Obama regards herself as the second coming of Queen Nefertite (alternately known as Queen Nefer-touchy-feely.) It’s rumored Michele graciously invited Queen Elizabeth to come to the White House lawn so they could play quoits with their tiaras.





Obama has represented America so obsequiously, that foreign nations have come to regard us as a client-nation-at-large. Turkey was a low point on Obama’s Pablum Tour. It was one of appease porridge hot, appease porridge cold, appeasement in a pot - ready or not. It was a virtual orgasm of self-pity. If Obama wants to learn something about Turkish atrocities he might consider taking it up with the Armenians. Obama did not mention in his speech to the Turks their genocide in Greece. Perhaps Obama did not find himself in sympathy with these victims because Armenians are reputedly not very good from the free throw line.



Obama’s comprehension of life and death does not include any understanding of what it is the military does for a living. Ordinarily, Barack Obama is as yellow as a canary with jaundice. The fact that the Navy Seals got the go ahead to snuff these Somalis pirates suggests the possibility that someone neglected to tell Obama that the buccaneers were black?



Obama sees the diplomacy of sucking around international villains as the path to popularity. All the highways and streets of America don’t have that many yellow streaks down their middle. North Korea launched its missile and Obama tch tch’ed its progress all the way across the ocean. It’s not like he wasn’t prepared. Kim Jong Il’s missiles run out of fuel before they run out of hate. Obama promised anyone within earshot he would never go to war against Islam, but swore he would throw in the towel first. Obama probably sports a white flag on the fenders of his limo and carries a white feather in his wallet for identification.



Obama seems determined to beat Sean Penn to every despot’s ass in the world. Anyone who insists that Barack Obama didn’t bow to Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah doesn’t know the difference between bowing and cringing. It was a gross demonstration of the Obama Administration’s grovel-ready diplomacy. (Irrespective of how many times Obama bows to foreign tyrants, the likelihood is that Google will end up ruling the world.)



It was nauseating to see Obama so deferential to King Abdullah, whose fairy tale Kingdom has segregated wishing wells. The Arabs are convinced the Obama Administration will run out of testosterone before the Sahara runs out of sand. Abdullah had two dirty words for the American President - alternative fuel. Obama had to do a lot of bowing because the Saudis have more Princes than Glenn Beck has M&Ms.



[Note: After studying the picture in question, experts determined that Barack Obama was trying to kiss the Saudi King’s feet. A podiatrist suggested he should be tested for Athlete’s Lips. Obama genuflected before foreign notables so often he appeared to have a case of the bends. Obama may have contracted a psychological condition as a result of his over-exposure to the desert sands. Some psychiatrists diagnose this condition as “going dune buggy”. One is reminded of Bill Clinton’s remark to Monica as she bowed before him, “As long as you’re down there …”]



THE AFTER SLUDGE



The world is full of ugly people doing ugly things. Kim Jong Il looks like something that should be in a jar at John Hopkins. Tim Geithner looks like a worm that cannot be cut into segments too minuscule to keep from wriggling and exuding its poisonous excrement. Crimson graduate Tim Geithner suggests the Ivy League is more Heidelberg than Harvard.



The Chinese now have salmonella available in take out.



The Black Caucus crawled to Cuba and was smitten with Fidel Castro. One would say they are less smitten than smut. Perhaps they’re trying to think of a way for Communists Barack Obama and Fidel Castro to succeed each other in office.



As far as Americans are concerned a mosque is where mosquitoes pray. These little buggers are not even obliged to leave their sandals outside.



Muslims obligingly only behead people to cure their migraines.



Joe Biden has warned that any attempt by the Israelis to defend themselves will be met with an invasion of street crossing guards from Delaware.



It’s just possible all the members of the Obama Cabinet are replicants. Where are the blade runners when we need them?



Americans voted for a real President and got a generic.



Having seen the crew of the Alabama Maersk fight off the pirates by spritzing them with fire hoses, Obama plans to get tough with the Taliban by sending troops to Afghanistan armed with hockey sticks.



Obama says Americans are arrogant but it takes only his reflection to poison a pond.



Since returning to America Obama has developed a severe case of teleprompter withdrawal. Without this device Obama is an intellectual tundra. He finds the teleprompter indispensable because he can’t wait to hear what he’s going to say next.



After bad-rapping our country overseas, it did not occur to Obama that most people who came to America couldn’t wait to get out of Europe. Europeans never forgive Americans for the sacrifices they made on their behalf.



The Attorney General is loosening the laws on narcotics. It may soon be customary at White House functions to toast Barack Obama by raising your crack pipe and saying, “Here’s looking up your nose, Mr. President”



At Obama’s instigation Guantanamo will be eligible for a seat on the United Nations Jihadist Council.



There is some consolation in the fact that while Obama may be President for the next eight years, but he’ll be black for the rest of his life.



There is evidence is that the Obama Cabinet members are mostly replicants. Where is the blade runner now that we need him?



Is Minnesota now a member of the Arab League? And is Paul Wellstone still dead?



Obama’s war on our own military casualties reminds us of the function of the critics who watch a battle from a hilltop - after which they come down and shoot the wounded.



Mexico is Bangladesh with mariachi bands. If you’ve never been there – this is a great time of year not to go. Amnesty is Damnesty



America is being held captive by a criminal Congress. Politicians don’t have to be honest – just slick. Voters don’t have to be dumb - just docile.



The Civil Rights Movement is still reaping the rewards of slavery.



The Fannie Mae mortgage program should have been called “Affirmative Eviction”. Chairman Barney Frank may require gay witnesses before his committee to be sworn in on a stack of doilies.



The silver lining of Obama’s bankrupting General Motors is it might take some of the rush out of the rush hour. Obama’s solution to save General Motors is to force them to make a new version of the Coney Island Dodgem cars.



The Porch Monkey Caucus visited Cuba where Fidel Castro expressed his admiration for Martin Luther Buckwheat.



As a gesture of good will Obama plans to send some of his Acorn thugs to Afghanistan in time to help the Taliban with the opium harvest. Incidentally, shouldn’t they be celebrating Acorn Day at Leavenworth?



Politicians are found in the middle of the road – and we all know what you find in the middle of the road.



It is national suicide to accept Barack Obama at his own estimation of himself.



And this …



America awaits the un-Obama.


©Norman Liebmann
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
iron281

Your a day late and a dollar short. Once me and FR stop debating there is no longer a debate....



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I like pie.
 

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Your a day late and a dollar short. Once me and FR stop debating there is no longer a debate....

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 
Mr. Obama:

I have had it with you and your administration,​ sir. Your conduct on your recent trip overseas has convinced me that you are not an adequate representative of the United States of America collectively or of me personally.

You are so obsessed with appeasing the Europeans and the Muslim world that you have abdicated the responsibilitie​s of the President of the United States of America. You are responsible to the citizens of the United States .. You are not responsible to the peoples of any other country on earth.

I personally resent that you go around the world apologizing for the United States telling Europeans that we are arrogant and do not care about their status in the world. Sir, what do you think the First World War and the Second World War were all about if not the consideration of the peoples of Europe? Are you brain dead? What do you think the Marshall Plan was all about? Do you not understand or know the history of the 20th century?

Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States? This country was founded on Judeo-​Christian ethics and the principles governing this country, at least until you came along, come directly from this heritage. Do you not understand this?

Your bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia is an affront to all Americans. Our President does not bow down to anyone, let alone the king of Saudi Arabia. You don't show Great Britain , our best and one of our oldest allies, the respect they deserve yet you bow down to the king of Saudi Arabia .. How dare you, sir! How dare you!

You can't find the time to visit the graves of our greatest generation because you don't want to offend the Germans but make time to visit a mosque in Turkey .. You offended our dead and every veteran when you give the Germans more respect than the people who saved the German people from themselves. What's the matter with you?

I am convinced that you and the members of your administration have the historical and intellectual depth of a mud puddle and should be ashamed of yourselves, all of you.

You are so self-​righteously offended by the big bankers and the American automobile manufacturers yet do nothing about the real thieves in this situation, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Frank, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelic, the Fannie Mae bonuses, and the Freddie Mac bonuses. What do you intend to do about them? Anything? I seriously doubt it.

What about the U.S. House members passing out $9.1 million in bonuses to their staff members - on top of the $2.5 million in automatic pay raises that lawmakers gave themselves? I understand the average House aide got a 17% bonus. I took a 5% cut in my pay to save jobs with my employer. You haven't said anything about that. Who authorized that? I surely didn't!
Executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be receiving $210 million in bonuses over an eighteen-month period, that's $45 million more than the AIG bonuses. In fact, Fannie and Freddie executives have already been awarded $51 million - not a bad take. Who authorized that and why haven't you expressed your outrage at this group who are largely responsible for the economic mess we have right now.

I resent that you take me and my fellow citizens as brain-dead and not caring about what you idiots do.

We are watching what you are doing and we are getting increasingly fed up with all of you.

I also want you to know that I personally find just about everything you do and say to be offensive to every one of my sensibilities.

I promise you that I will work tirelessly to see that you do not get a chance to spend two terms destroying my beautiful country.

Sincerely,


Every real American
 

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awww i love it!!!!!! i like N8 hes to only guy on this site that will have a real debate and not get his g string to high in his ass lol!!!!!
N8 is a good ass dude!!!!

oh and N8 some day we will meet and im gunna whip your ass in a thumb wrestle hahahahaha!!!!!

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We have a 50% black 50% white pres.... Only change I've seen is my debt to china, my 2nd amendment right in question, more money going to other countrys abortions..... Yeah that's change to be happy about.
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
slowback, calm down man. This thread has run its course. And you are never 50/50, until they had that option on job applications. Obama is black 100%

(that statement should get FR fired up...lol)
 

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
I know this topic if over for now anyways ..but I have to ask, why if someone is half black half white they are black? If I'm white and Hispanic what would I be? Or Hispanic and black? I don't get why if someone is a little bit this and a little bit that.... They are called ______? Can anyone please tell me why that is
 

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I know this topic if over for now anyways ..but I have to ask, why if someone is half black half white they are black? If I'm white and Hispanic what would I be? Or Hispanic and black? I don't get why if someone is a little bit this and a little bit that.... They are called ______? Can anyone please tell me why that is

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Posted by Bigjerry916 (Member # 8787) on :
 
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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 
awwwwwww shit yall just opened a can of worms!!!!
slowback67, listen up homes i dont give a hell what you got in you i like your views but what is the color of your skin????????
if you Moreno you a bean homes!!!!!
and now for you N8. you said it soooooooooo you black! so dont eva..........eva eva eva eva eva come around here calling yo self a malado again!!!!!
 

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awww i love it!!!!!! i like N8 hes to only guy on this site that will have a real debate and not get his g string to high in his ass lol!!!!!
N8 is a good ass dude!!!!

oh and N8 some day we will meet and im gunna whip your ass in a thumb wrestle hahahahaha!!!!!

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aaawwww.....lol. You aaight with me to man.

Its good to have some healthy debate. I know people are tired of me shooting my mouth off. But I am talkative person. So I may as well "keep it real" here and talk it up...

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awww i love it!!!!!! i like N8 hes to only guy on this site that will have a real debate and not get his g string to high in his ass lol!!!!!
N8 is a good ass dude!!!!

oh and N8 some day we will meet and im gunna whip your ass in a thumb wrestle hahahahaha!!!!!

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aaawwww.....lol. You aaight with me to man.

Its good to have some healthy debate. I know people are tired of me shooting my mouth off. But I am talkative person. So I may as well "keep it real" here and talk it up...

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cocksuckers ..it doesnt matter who gets elected president the stuff they do is only going to benefit the government anyways..dont get butthurt now

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even if, what was wrong with her? ill tell you what you and a whole lotta otha mutha f@#kas got a wake up call!
McCain was the better choice!!!
 

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i dont think barak obama is going to be the best president weve had and i really hate all the promises he makes but it was alot better than the other choice...i'd leave this country if sarah palin was to become president

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even if, what was wrong with her? ill tell you what you and a whole lotta otha mutha f@#kas got a wake up call!
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even if, what was wrong with her? ill tell you what you and a whole lotta otha mutha f@#kas got a wake up call!
McCain was the better choice!!!

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Posted by slowback67 (Member # 6348) on :
 
Sarah palin got a raw deal... Just like Hillary Clinton did when the media jumped on the Obama banwagon.. Not to mention the dems knew they had a better chance to get more people to vote for Obama then Clinton. How many people talked and voted this election compared to others? It sad that the dems (IMO) picked Obama because they felt more non white people would vote for him and bring that CHANGE! That Clinton would not have got. Like I said just my thoughts. What do you guys think?
 

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F#*k that liberal piece of S^@t president we got I still don't get ..how americans could hav been so dumb and elected a muslim president....isn't the muslims the people that made 911 happen..?? People got all caught up in the media like it was was said before..and the whole change bs..got people all excited..

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[QUOTE] i think mccain was just as bad of a choice also but out of the two it just ended up being the hype of having a black president and seeing where it goes. im not taking a side because theres cons for both mccain and obama, its just now that we have obamas in office, we could at least make the best of it. I didnt like GWB as a president or as a person but i still supported him because he WAS our LEADER. and that wasnt going to change. you both make good points and your both right about somethings. i just think we should give him a little bit more time. just my .02.

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Obama apologizing made use weak in there eyes we should own there country, what would happen to our country if it was the other way around think about it!!!!!! Fuck Obama and shame on you for thinking he is a good man just because he has only been in office for a couple months!!!!!!

how could you "not like GWB as a president or as a person" as a prez yea but how is it that you came to know him personaly, yall grew up together or something?????lol

the fact is McCain wouldnt have apologized, maybe thats just because he couldnt deliver a speach but atleast americans wouldnt look so dumb in the eyes of the enemy!!!!!
 

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Posted by Sovereign (Member # 9119) on :
 
Im not too sure on the facts but I think he apologized because he doesn't wanna be in the middle east anymore and having the same recurring problem. Yeah its unstable and how much longer is it gonna be unstable. It isn't the US's responsibility to maintain order there when they can't maintain order them selves. So there wouldn't be a point in keeping troops there and fightin a never ending war wit thousands of troops and innocent people dying all the time. GWB made a costly war but he did it for the good of the US. And no I don't know him personally but I don't like him because I don't like politicians. Same with obama. They're just there to get our hoops up and when it comes down to it, we get shut down. Im a muslim but im american born and raised, and im part of this country just as much you guys are, when the good comes, it'll come to all of us, when its bad well all get affected. Im just saying, we could just show some support regardless of how bad of a president he is or will be. Cuz we've had a lot worse then obama.
 

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Posted by fr5.0 (Member # 8652) on :
 

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Im not too sure on the facts but I think he apologized because he doesn't wanna be in the middle east anymore and having the same recurring problem. Yeah its unstable and how much longer is it gonna be unstable. It isn't the US's responsibility to maintain order there when they can't maintain order them selves. So there wouldn't be a point in keeping troops there and fightin a never ending war wit thousands of troops and innocent people dying all the time. GWB made a costly war but he did it for the good of the US. And no I don't know him personally but I don't like him because I don't like politicians. Same with obama. They're just there to get our hoops up and when it comes down to it, we get shut down. Im a muslim but im american born and raised, and im part of this country just as much you guys are, when the good comes, it'll come to all of us, when its bad well all get affected. Im just saying, we could just show some support regardless of how bad of a president he is or will be. Cuz we've had a lot worse then obama.

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