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Posted by 92_chp (Member # 5574) on :
 
Who's watching the fight?

I got my money on Oscar.
 

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Posted by SLPR93 (Member # 8769) on :
 
yup oscar should win
 

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Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
pacman....
 

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Posted by SLPR93 (Member # 8769) on :
 
PACMAN GOOD BUT OSCARS BIGGER AND KO POWER OH YEA AND HELLA SKILL
 

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Posted by xvt's 85 5.0 (Member # 4765) on :
 

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Originally posted by 92_chp:
Who's watching the fight?

I got my money on Oscar.

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Posted by 9svtcobra8 (Member # 8408) on :
 
Oscar is gonna do pacman up... Its just about the age its A big guy fighting A little guy an in boxing size means alot.
 

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Posted by fastertoys1 (Member # 5270) on :
 
PACMAN all the way !!!oscars way washed up hes doesnt have the hunger anymore, pacman has way more to fight for
 

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Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 
De la hoya is going to win either by TKO or unanimous decision. I have a feeling Oscar might Carry Pacman for a few rounds just to make it look good and entertaining before he puts him to sleep. I already have $100 bucks riding on Oscar with a $50 dollar KO bonus! Manny is just to small and does not hit hard enough to hurt Oscar. I mean think about it, Have we EVER really seen Oscar K.Oed or put to sleep? He has been in the ring with Trinidad, Vargas, Chavez, a prime Moseley, maywether etc and he was never even knock down. I expect him to run through pacman like a hot knife through butter
 

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Posted by 92_chp (Member # 5574) on :
 

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Originally posted by East Bay 50:
De la hoya is going to win either by TKO or unanimous decision. I have a feeling Oscar might Carry Pacman for a few rounds just to make it look good and entertaining before he puts him to sleep. I already have $100 bucks riding on Oscar with a $50 dollar KO bonus! Manny is just to small and does not hit hard enough to hurt Oscar. I mean think about it, Have we EVER really seen Oscar K.Oed or put to sleep? He has been in the ring with Trinidad, Vargas, Chavez, a prime Moseley, maywether etc and he was never even knock down. I expect him to run through pacman like a hot knife through butter

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That's correct, Oscar has a lot of experience boxing the big dogs!!
 

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Posted by LS1EATR (Member # 2702) on :
 
The golden boy
 

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Posted by Stangs R Us (Member # 4495) on :
 
when is the fight?
 

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when is the fight?

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DEC 6

 

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Originally posted by LS1EATR:
The golden boy

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Originally posted by onesicklx:
pacman is great fighter, but oscar is to big for him...so my money is on oscar...

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Originally posted by onesicklx:
pacman is great fighter, but oscar is to big for him...so my money is on oscar...

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lol... He is not too big. One thing I believe Oscar is having in his favor is taking the hits from bigger guys for a longer period, but Pac can still hit. Also dont forget their travels through the pro ranks are similar if you think about it. Oscar started off as a lightweight and moved up. Pac is doing the same just faster. But the technology of today facilitates that. I am still going with Pac Man to pull this one out by split decision. Oscar is miles away from where he was in his prime. And while I do not think Oscar will get knocked out. He will know he has been in a fight. Hell Steve Forbes was able to tag him earl and often. And Forbes is no Pacquaio.

Eastbay
You must have forgot about B-Hop. Also if you look back, while Oscar is a great money generator and business man. He is basically 0-5 when he fights the undisputed pound for pound fighters. Trinidad, Mosely, B-hop, Mayweather (I dont consider Sweet Pea a P4P but that was a impressive victory). Not taking nothing from him as he is a hall of famer. But he never really showed me much as a fan of boxing. Because when it is really on, the whole Golden Boy thing seems to tarnish.

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Too big? its only 1 weight class up. Whatever tho Pacman will KO Oscar.

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Originally posted by onesicklx:
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lol... He is not too big. One thing I believe Oscar is having in his favor is taking the hits from bigger guys for a longer period, but Pac can still hit. Also dont forget their travels through the pro ranks are similar if you think about it. Oscar started off as a lightweight and moved up. Pac is doing the same just faster. But the technology of today facilitates that. I am still going with Pac Man to pull this one out by split decision. Oscar is miles away from where he was in his prime. And while I do not think Oscar will get knocked out. He will know he has been in a fight. Hell Steve Forbes was able to tag him earl and often. And Forbes is no Pacquaio.

Eastbay
You must have forgot about B-Hop. Also if you look back, while Oscar is a great money generator and business man. He is basically 0-5 when he fights the undisputed pound for pound fighters. Trinidad, Mosely, B-hop, Mayweather (I dont consider Sweet Pea a P4P but that was a impressive victory). Not taking nothing from him as he is a hall of famer. But he never really showed me much as a fan of boxing. Because when it is really on, the whole Golden Boy thing seems to tarnish.

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"Manny Pacquiao started his professional boxing career in 1995 at 106 lbs (Light flyweight)"

oscar started fighting at 130lbs

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I never said they started off at the same weight class. I drew a comparison to the 5-6 weight class moves they both made. My point was technology of today makes it possible to make bigger faster jumps. So that edge Oscar would have had in the late 90's - 2001 has for the most part dissipated. And you need never quote wiki's to me. I have followed boxing for quite a while (and even box myself )
 

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Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 

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Originally posted by saleen_freak:
Too big? its only 1 weight class up. Whatever tho Pacman will KO Oscar.

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its actually 2 weight classes, and if you take into consideration that he just move up to 135 its really going to be 3 weight classes...

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Originally posted by onesicklx:
pacman is great fighter, but oscar is to big for him...so my money is on oscar...

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lol... He is not too big. One thing I believe Oscar is having in his favor is taking the hits from bigger guys for a longer period, but Pac can still hit. Also dont forget their travels through the pro ranks are similar if you think about it. Oscar started off as a lightweight and moved up. Pac is doing the same just faster. But the technology of today facilitates that. I am still going with Pac Man to pull this one out by split decision. Oscar is miles away from where he was in his prime. And while I do not think Oscar will get knocked out. He will know he has been in a fight. Hell Steve Forbes was able to tag him earl and often. And Forbes is no Pacquaio.

Eastbay
You must have forgot about B-Hop. Also if you look back, while Oscar is a great money generator and business man. He is basically 0-5 when he fights the undisputed pound for pound fighters. Trinidad, Mosely, B-hop, Mayweather (I dont consider Sweet Pea a P4P but that was a impressive victory). Not taking nothing from him as he is a hall of famer. But he never really showed me much as a fan of boxing. Because when it is really on, the whole Golden Boy thing seems to tarnish.

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Originally posted by onesicklx:
pacman is great fighter, but oscar is to big for him...so my money is on oscar...

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lol... He is not too big. One thing I believe Oscar is having in his favor is taking the hits from bigger guys for a longer period, but Pac can still hit. Also dont forget their travels through the pro ranks are similar if you think about it. Oscar started off as a lightweight and moved up. Pac is doing the same just faster. But the technology of today facilitates that. I am still going with Pac Man to pull this one out by split decision. Oscar is miles away from where he was in his prime. And while I do not think Oscar will get knocked out. He will know he has been in a fight. Hell Steve Forbes was able to tag him earl and often. And Forbes is no Pacquaio.

Eastbay
You must have forgot about B-Hop. Also if you look back, while Oscar is a great money generator and business man. He is basically 0-5 when he fights the undisputed pound for pound fighters. Trinidad, Mosely, B-hop, Mayweather (I dont consider Sweet Pea a P4P but that was a impressive victory). Not taking nothing from him as he is a hall of famer. But he never really showed me much as a fan of boxing. Because when it is really on, the whole Golden Boy thing seems to tarnish.

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Oscar should have got the victory in the second Mosely fight. He whooped Trinidad for about 8 rounds straight then took a break and lost the fight. He did lose to Maywether but I thought he quit against Hopkins. If you have enough energy to bang on the ground you should be able to get up. Have you seen Pacman and Oscar side by side? The size advantage is huge! Oscar in almost 6ft tall and pacman is what? 5'7 tops? oscar also has a reach advantage and is a all around better boxer. Even though he is nowhere near his prime I think he pulls this one out with ease.

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Originally posted by onesicklx:
pacman is great fighter, but oscar is to big for him...so my money is on oscar...

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lol... He is not too big. One thing I believe Oscar is having in his favor is taking the hits from bigger guys for a longer period, but Pac can still hit. Also dont forget their travels through the pro ranks are similar if you think about it. Oscar started off as a lightweight and moved up. Pac is doing the same just faster. But the technology of today facilitates that. I am still going with Pac Man to pull this one out by split decision. Oscar is miles away from where he was in his prime. And while I do not think Oscar will get knocked out. He will know he has been in a fight. Hell Steve Forbes was able to tag him earl and often. And Forbes is no Pacquaio.

Eastbay
You must have forgot about B-Hop. Also if you look back, while Oscar is a great money generator and business man. He is basically 0-5 when he fights the undisputed pound for pound fighters. Trinidad, Mosely, B-hop, Mayweather (I dont consider Sweet Pea a P4P but that was a impressive victory). Not taking nothing from him as he is a hall of famer. But he never really showed me much as a fan of boxing. Because when it is really on, the whole Golden Boy thing seems to tarnish.

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Oscar should have got the victory in the second Mosely fight. He whooped Trinidad for about 8 rounds straight then took a break and lost the fight. He did lose to Maywether but I thought he quit against Hopkins. If you have enough energy to bang on the ground you should be able to get up. Have you seen Pacman and Oscar side by side? The size advantage is huge! Oscar in almost 6ft tall and pacman is what? 5'7 tops? oscar also has a reach advantage and is a all around better boxer. Even though he is nowhere near his prime I think he pulls this one out with ease.

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Yea Pac is a lil guy. But fighting a little guy can be tricky at the same time. I dunno man. Pac is a very astute boxer. I am not sure I would say at this point Oscar is a better boxer. More accomplished, but not a better boxer. I think he lost both Mosely fights. I am with you on the trinidad fight. B-hop and Mayweather he was just plain outclassed. Then enters my point. He just seems to not get it done against the elite of the elite. But props to him for at least challenging the elite of elite.

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Well I agree and dont agree. After the Morales (pt 1) fight it seemed he became a more complete boxer as in setting up his punches. He comes forward with purpose IMO. Hatton comes in just swinging for the fences from all angles. Which in itself is a talent.

But it will definitely be a interesting affair. And I think Pac will do better than most are crediting. If I were betting man, I would put some $$$ on Pac.

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Well I agree and dont agree. After the Morales (pt 1) fight it seemed he became a more complete boxer as in setting up his punches. He comes forward with purpose IMO. Hatton comes in just swinging for the fences from all angles. Which in itself is a talent.

But it will definitely be a interesting affair. And I think Pac will do better than most are crediting. If I were betting man, I would put some $$$ on Pac.

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Something tells me that Maywether jr. will be watching this fight VERY closely. He will want to fight the winner sometime next year Because it would be a big money easy fight for him to win. I just want you to make a thread after pacman gets his head knocked off stating I am the boxing guru of cafords and I once again was right ok N8

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Once again? lol...that assumes you have been right before. I will always be the boxing guru of CaFords. Been watching boxing since you were a twinkle in your dads eyes....lol.

damn, Young whipper-snappers (Actually I hope I am older than you )

Maweather v Pac is not a good fight. I think we will see Mayweather v Valuev before then. And even then I am riding with Mayweather.

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Posted by 91 5.0 5speed (Member # 1867) on :
 

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Well I agree and dont agree. After the Morales (pt 1) fight it seemed he became a more complete boxer as in setting up his punches. He comes forward with purpose IMO. Hatton comes in just swinging for the fences from all angles. Which in itself is a talent.

But it will definitely be a interesting affair. And I think Pac will do better than most are crediting. If I were betting man, I would put some $$$ on Pac.

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Something tells me that Maywether jr. will be watching this fight VERY closely. He will want to fight the winner sometime next year Because it would be a big money easy fight for him to win. I just want you to make a thread after pacman gets his head knocked off stating I am the boxing guru of cafords and I once again was right ok N8

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Once again? lol...that assumes you have been right before. I will always be the boxing guru of CaFords. Been watching boxing since you were a twinkle in your dads eyes....lol.

damn, Young whipper-snappers (Actually I hope I am older than you )

Maweather v Pac is not a good fight. I think we will see Mayweather v Valuev before then. And even then I am riding with Mayweather.

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All I want to know is who is going to fight Margarito?

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Originally posted by onesicklx:
pacman is great fighter, but oscar is to big for him...so my money is on oscar...

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lol... He is not too big. One thing I believe Oscar is having in his favor is taking the hits from bigger guys for a longer period, but Pac can still hit. Also dont forget their travels through the pro ranks are similar if you think about it. Oscar started off as a lightweight and moved up. Pac is doing the same just faster. But the technology of today facilitates that. I am still going with Pac Man to pull this one out by split decision. Oscar is miles away from where he was in his prime. And while I do not think Oscar will get knocked out. He will know he has been in a fight. Hell Steve Forbes was able to tag him earl and often. And Forbes is no Pacquaio.

Eastbay
You must have forgot about B-Hop. Also if you look back, while Oscar is a great money generator and business man. He is basically 0-5 when he fights the undisputed pound for pound fighters. Trinidad, Mosely, B-hop, Mayweather (I dont consider Sweet Pea a P4P but that was a impressive victory). Not taking nothing from him as he is a hall of famer. But he never really showed me much as a fan of boxing. Because when it is really on, the whole Golden Boy thing seems to tarnish.

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straight from wikepedia

"Manny Pacquiao started his professional boxing career in 1995 at 106 lbs (Light flyweight)"

oscar started fighting at 130lbs

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I never said they started off at the same weight class. I drew a comparison to the 5-6 weight class moves they both made. My point was technology of today makes it possible to make bigger faster jumps. So that edge Oscar would have had in the late 90's - 2001 has for the most part dissipated. And you need never quote wiki's to me. I have followed boxing for quite a while (and even box myself )

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Too big? its only 1 weight class up. Whatever tho Pacman will KO Oscar.

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its actually 2 weight classes, and if you take into consideration that he just move up to 135 its really going to be 3 weight classes...

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No its one weight class 130-135 is lightweight 140-147 is welter. Then the governing bodies flooded the scene with "super-this" and "junior-this". It is pretty much only a 1 class jump. Plus Pac's resting weight is on the high end of the lightweight's. So at welter I am just not seeing it being a big drawback. Now going up on coming down like RJJ does. That takes a toll on your body more than a one-way progression. Basically the playing field is a little more even than some are crediting. IMO

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Nobody and I mean nobody wants to see Paul Williams. That is why he is dropping his belts left and right and moving weight classes trying to get fights. I am most definite that Paul would floor Margarito. Hopkins like movement, Young RJJ like speed (well sort of...lol), and freak-sih power in both gloves. No to mention he is tall. And I give Mosely a bit more than a punchers chance with Margarito. Though I do favor Margarito I can see Mosely pulling off an upset.

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Nobody and I mean nobody wants to see Paul Williams. That is why he is dropping his belts left and right and moving weight classes trying to get fights. I am most definite that Paul would floor Margarito. Hopkins like movement, Young RJJ like speed (well sort of...lol), and freak-sih power in both gloves. No to mention he is tall. And I give Mosely a bit more than a punchers chance with Margarito. Though I do favor Margarito I can see Mosely pulling off an upset.

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You do know that Willians and MArgarito already fought don"t you? MArgarito did alright but he was just outclassed in that bout. Mosely had his hands full with a bum named mayorga it took him until the last round to K.O him. a few years ago Mayorga would not have lasted 5 rounds with Moseley. In fact Mosely was behind on points on atleast one scorecard until that K.O. Moseley always has trouble with taller fighters think Vernon forrest and Winky Wright. I fully expect for Mosely to get beat up when he faces Margarito. It's a bad matchup for him at this stage of his career, Mosely is just not the same at all and is on the decline.

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Nobody and I mean nobody wants to see Paul Williams. That is why he is dropping his belts left and right and moving weight classes trying to get fights. I am most definite that Paul would floor Margarito. Hopkins like movement, Young RJJ like speed (well sort of...lol), and freak-sih power in both gloves. No to mention he is tall. And I give Mosely a bit more than a punchers chance with Margarito. Though I do favor Margarito I can see Mosely pulling off an upset.

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You do know that Willians and MArgarito already fought don"t you? MArgarito did alright but he was just outclassed in that bout. Mosely had his hands full with a bum named mayorga it took him until the last round to K.O him. a few years ago Mayorga would not have lasted 5 rounds with Moseley. In fact Mosely was behind on points on atleast one scorecard until that K.O. Moseley always has trouble with taller fighters think Vernon forrest and Winky Wright. I fully expect for Mosely to get beat up when he faces Margarito. It's a bad matchup for him at this stage of his career, Mosely is just not the same at all and is on the decline.

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Yea I know they fought. I am saying if he were to take that fight it would be extremely one sided and he would be floored as in KO'd. Yea I have Margarito in this one too. But I would not be surprised to see him upset Margarito. Shane can punch and is a hall of famer. You really cannot give him absolutely no chance. Tho I really dont understand this match up. There were better fights out there. But they are both action fighters so it should be a good one either way.

Also I wouldnt call Mayorga a bum. He is a tough SOB, makes some bad choices in the ring like letting people hit him (ala the Dela Hoya fight). He beat a very game Forrest, Vargas and had Tito almost lights out.

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Nobody and I mean nobody wants to see Paul Williams. That is why he is dropping his belts left and right and moving weight classes trying to get fights. I am most definite that Paul would floor Margarito. Hopkins like movement, Young RJJ like speed (well sort of...lol), and freak-sih power in both gloves. No to mention he is tall. And I give Mosely a bit more than a punchers chance with Margarito. Though I do favor Margarito I can see Mosely pulling off an upset.

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You do know that Willians and MArgarito already fought don"t you? MArgarito did alright but he was just outclassed in that bout. Mosely had his hands full with a bum named mayorga it took him until the last round to K.O him. a few years ago Mayorga would not have lasted 5 rounds with Moseley. In fact Mosely was behind on points on atleast one scorecard until that K.O. Moseley always has trouble with taller fighters think Vernon forrest and Winky Wright. I fully expect for Mosely to get beat up when he faces Margarito. It's a bad matchup for him at this stage of his career, Mosely is just not the same at all and is on the decline.

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Yea I know they fought. I am saying if he were to take that fight it would be extremely one sided and he would be floored as in KO'd. Yea I have Margarito in this one too. But I would not be surprised to see him upset Margarito. Shane can punch and is a hall of famer. You really cannot give him absolutely no chance. Tho I really dont understand this match up. There were better fights out there. But they are both action fighters so it should be a good one either way.

Also I wouldnt call Mayorga a bum. He is a tough SOB, makes some bad choices in the ring like letting people hit him (ala the Dela Hoya fight). He beat a very game Forrest, Vargas and had Tito almost lights out.

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Mayorga beat a shop worn out of shape fat Vargas. I never saw Trinidad in any trouble vs Mayorga. He did beat Vernon forrest the first fight but I thought the second was very close. Guys chose to fight Mayorga because they know he is one dimensional and can make them look great when they beat him. Mosely was banking on that and had his hands full with him. To me this is a VERY bad fight for shane and he should pretty much hang them up. Think about this, Mosely was being outboxed and beatin to the punch by Cotto! Moseley was suppose to be the superior boxer in that fight and faster but he was'nt I personally thought it was a draw but Mosely has not looked to great as of late. I give him a very slim chance of beating Margarito at this stage in his career.

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Originally posted by 427 StRoKeR SN94:
wow oscar's a bitch who needs to retire lol he like 100 yaers old in boxing years. pac WON!!!!!!!!!! gentle men FN crazy cant believe it

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well I have to give N8 his props he was right Pacman was too much for oscar. Oscar looked really slow and really old. Pacman was tagging him at will. Oscar took off to much weight and was just lathargic. gotta give pacman his pops though he fought a perfect fight. he kept turning Oscar so he could not get set. Oscar should just retire. The fight of the year is gonna be Hatton vs Paquiao. I have taht as a pick em fight right now. The winner is gonna fight maywether, watch!
 

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Posted by saleen_freak (Member # 6521) on :
 
LOL Pacman all the way. Looked like it wasn't even a fair fight.
 

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Posted by 95GTConvtACE (Member # 6399) on :
 
anybody have a link to the fight?
 

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Posted by 91CHP_Coupe (Member # 7686) on :
 
Pacman whooped de la hoya's ASS. Man it wasnt even a challenge for him! De la hoya was fuckin blind at the end his eye was so Freakin swollen... Good ass fight for pac man threw 8 rounds!!!
 

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Posted by S4OSHUS (Member # 2918) on :
 
yeah right, de la hoya too big?? shit, manny wooped that ass pinoy
 

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Posted by adower (Member # 5955) on :
 
Oscar is washed up! I won 500$ off that fight! Pacman baby!

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Well I agree and dont agree. After the Morales (pt 1) fight it seemed he became a more complete boxer as in setting up his punches. He comes forward with purpose IMO. Hatton comes in just swinging for the fences from all angles. Which in itself is a talent.

But it will definitely be a interesting affair. And I think Pac will do better than most are crediting. If I were betting man, I would put some $$$ on Pac.

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Something tells me that Maywether jr. will be watching this fight VERY closely. He will want to fight the winner sometime next year Because it would be a big money easy fight for him to win. I just want you to make a thread after pacman gets his head knocked off stating I am the boxing guru of cafords and I once again was right ok N8

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Once again? lol...that assumes you have been right before. I will always be the boxing guru of CaFords. Been watching boxing since you were a twinkle in your dads eyes....lol.

damn, Young whipper-snappers (Actually I hope I am older than you )

Maweather v Pac is not a good fight. I think we will see Mayweather v Valuev before then. And even then I am riding with Mayweather.

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Lets see, I was right about the Cotto Margarito fight I think I even called the round. the hatton Maywether fight. Hell I was even right about the Lesnar vs Couture fight and the Rashad Evans vs. Chuck Liddell fight. Needless to say I am the boxing/fight Guru on Cafords. My record speaks for itself.

P.S. I also predicted Kimbo would lose to that Sth Petruzelli(sp) guy as well. but that was on another board

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N8 - Boxing GURU of Cafords.
 

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wow oscar's a bitch who needs to retire lol he like 100 yaers old in boxing years. pac WON!!!!!!!!!! gentle men FN crazy cant believe it

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well I have to give N8 his props he was right Pacman was too much for oscar. Oscar looked really slow and really old. Pacman was tagging him at will. Oscar took off to much weight and was just lathargic. gotta give pacman his pops though he fought a perfect fight. he kept turning Oscar so he could not get set. Oscar should just retire. The fight of the year is gonna be Hatton vs Paquiao. I have taht as a pick em fight right now. The winner is gonna fight maywether, watch!

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wow oscar's a bitch who needs to retire lol he like 100 yaers old in boxing years. pac WON!!!!!!!!!! gentle men FN crazy cant believe it

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well I have to give N8 his props he was right Pacman was too much for oscar. Oscar looked really slow and really old. Pacman was tagging him at will. Oscar took off to much weight and was just lathargic. gotta give pacman his pops though he fought a perfect fight. he kept turning Oscar so he could not get set. Oscar should just retire. The fight of the year is gonna be Hatton vs Paquiao. I have taht as a pick em fight right now. The winner is gonna fight maywether, watch!

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I do not agree. If Hatton wins, well that one is a no-brainer. Mayweather made him look amateur at best. So neither Hatton nor Mayweather will want that fight. Mayweather is much too much a perfect fighter for Pac. It would be a seriously bad match up for him. He makes way too many mistakes and takes too many gambles. Mayweather would just frustrate pac and potentially sleep him. Plus Pac has never faced a person with double the speed and power he has (Mayweather has more power than he is creditted for). I do not see Pac even getting close to winning against Mayweather. Too many obstacles and puzzles to figure out. Now I would like to see Pac and Zab or Pac and Hatton. Those would be some action packed fights.

But I do not think Mayweather is coming out of retirement anytime soon. Word has it, he has balooned up pretty good.

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I saw a pic of maywether a couple months ago and he did not look fat. in fact they say he is in th gym all the time. Maywether has already been talking to hatton about fighting him in a rematch in England. If they fought in England he would make a good 15-20 million provided that hatton gets past Pacman which is not easy task for him. I think maywether is too skilled for pac. I still think Oscar had a bad game plan from jump and the wrong trainers which contributed to him gettin his ass whooped. But hey thats the way it goes. I am sure 30 miillion and a fine ass wife will help oscar sleep pretty good Lol! Mille de la hoya is a bad bitch!
 

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WOW atleast oscar showed up... but to bad he didnt fight back!!! lol That was the most boring shit ever didnt even look like oscar but washed up fighters need to retire!!!
 

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Actually it did. Looked just like:

Oscar v Mayweather
Oscar v Hopkins
Oscar v Trinidad
Oscar v Mosely x 2

And personally I thought he lost against Strum. Oscar never shows up for the mega fights. I do not want to say he fought bums to the top. But he loses when it really counts.

I have not heard anything serious of a Mayweather v Hatton II. Mayweather should just stay retired.

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wow oscar's a bitch who needs to retire lol he like 100 yaers old in boxing years. pac WON!!!!!!!!!! gentle men FN crazy cant believe it

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well I have to give N8 his props he was right Pacman was too much for oscar. Oscar looked really slow and really old. Pacman was tagging him at will. Oscar took off to much weight and was just lathargic. gotta give pacman his pops though he fought a perfect fight. he kept turning Oscar so he could not get set. Oscar should just retire. The fight of the year is gonna be Hatton vs Paquiao. I have taht as a pick em fight right now. The winner is gonna fight maywether, watch!

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I do not agree. If Hatton wins, well that one is a no-brainer. Mayweather made him look amateur at best. So neither Hatton nor Mayweather will want that fight. Mayweather is much too much a perfect fighter for Pac. It would be a seriously bad match up for him. He makes way too many mistakes and takes too many gambles. Mayweather would just frustrate pac and potentially sleep him. Plus Pac has never faced a person with double the speed and power he has (Mayweather has more power than he is creditted for). I do not see Pac even getting close to winning against Mayweather. Too many obstacles and puzzles to figure out. Now I would like to see Pac and Zab or Pac and Hatton. Those would be some action packed fights.

But I do not think Mayweather is coming out of retirement anytime soon. Word has it, he has balooned up pretty good.

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wow oscar's a bitch who needs to retire lol he like 100 yaers old in boxing years. pac WON!!!!!!!!!! gentle men FN crazy cant believe it

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well I have to give N8 his props he was right Pacman was too much for oscar. Oscar looked really slow and really old. Pacman was tagging him at will. Oscar took off to much weight and was just lathargic. gotta give pacman his pops though he fought a perfect fight. he kept turning Oscar so he could not get set. Oscar should just retire. The fight of the year is gonna be Hatton vs Paquiao. I have taht as a pick em fight right now. The winner is gonna fight maywether, watch!

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I do not agree. If Hatton wins, well that one is a no-brainer. Mayweather made him look amateur at best. So neither Hatton nor Mayweather will want that fight. Mayweather is much too much a perfect fighter for Pac. It would be a seriously bad match up for him. He makes way too many mistakes and takes too many gambles. Mayweather would just frustrate pac and potentially sleep him. Plus Pac has never faced a person with double the speed and power he has (Mayweather has more power than he is creditted for). I do not see Pac even getting close to winning against Mayweather. Too many obstacles and puzzles to figure out. Now I would like to see Pac and Zab or Pac and Hatton. Those would be some action packed fights.

But I do not think Mayweather is coming out of retirement anytime soon. Word has it, he has balooned up pretty good.

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Mayweather may be a more complete fighter than pac, but Mayweather definitely doesn't have double his speed, LOL.
On the contrary, Manny is quicker than Mayweather. Mayweather is a very smart fighter and defensive counter puncher, but I think the opposite in that Manny would frustrate Mayweather with his quickness.
What I do agree with you on is Mayweather's power. He doesn't get enough credit for that, but right now Manny looks ferocious!
His win over Oscar was more impressive than Mayweathers, and for that alone he should be considered.

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Yes Mayweather is considerably faster than Pac. 2x's may be a little generous. But Pac is definitely not faster. Now when I say faster it goes beyond hand speed which I still think Mayweather has him on too. Boxing is a brutal sport. So the fashion that Pac brutalized Oscar yes I will give you, his win is more impressive. But the way Mayweather orchestrated his victory was just genius. Thus enter the saying "The Sweet Science". But taking nothing away from Pac his victory was marvelous and he deserves without a doubt the p4p title. I am a big fan of Pac. But more of a fan of boxing. And I am not betting man at all. But for those that would take Pac over a prime conditioned Mayweather. Hell they say a fool and his money is soon parted. And who am I to not let a fool part with his money. I would bet on this one. And dont forget. Hatton is nothing but a version of Pac when it come to output and pressure. And look what Mayweather did to him. I highly doubt a Mayweather match would be made with Pac, but one could dream.

As for Oscar, I think this soils his legacy to some degree. He is 0 for 6 against the P4P elite. And himself never reaching the P4P crown, I think kinda diminishes his image IMO. I wish he would have just stayed retired.

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wow oscar's a bitch who needs to retire lol he like 100 yaers old in boxing years. pac WON!!!!!!!!!! gentle men FN crazy cant believe it

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well I have to give N8 his props he was right Pacman was too much for oscar. Oscar looked really slow and really old. Pacman was tagging him at will. Oscar took off to much weight and was just lathargic. gotta give pacman his pops though he fought a perfect fight. he kept turning Oscar so he could not get set. Oscar should just retire. The fight of the year is gonna be Hatton vs Paquiao. I have taht as a pick em fight right now. The winner is gonna fight maywether, watch!

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I do not agree. If Hatton wins, well that one is a no-brainer. Mayweather made him look amateur at best. So neither Hatton nor Mayweather will want that fight. Mayweather is much too much a perfect fighter for Pac. It would be a seriously bad match up for him. He makes way too many mistakes and takes too many gambles. Mayweather would just frustrate pac and potentially sleep him. Plus Pac has never faced a person with double the speed and power he has (Mayweather has more power than he is creditted for). I do not see Pac even getting close to winning against Mayweather. Too many obstacles and puzzles to figure out. Now I would like to see Pac and Zab or Pac and Hatton. Those would be some action packed fights.

But I do not think Mayweather is coming out of retirement anytime soon. Word has it, he has balooned up pretty good.

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Mayweather may be a more complete fighter than pac, but Mayweather definitely doesn't have double his speed, LOL.
On the contrary, Manny is quicker than Mayweather. Mayweather is a very smart fighter and defensive counter puncher, but I think the opposite in that Manny would frustrate Mayweather with his quickness.
What I do agree with you on is Mayweather's power. He doesn't get enough credit for that, but right now Manny looks ferocious!
His win over Oscar was more impressive than Mayweathers, and for that alone he should be considered.

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Yes Mayweather is considerably faster than Pac. 2x's may be a little generous. But Pac is definitely not faster. Now when I say faster it goes beyond hand speed which I still think Mayweather has him on too. Boxing is a brutal sport. So the fashion that Pac brutalized Oscar yes I will give you, his win is more impressive. But the way Mayweather orchestrated his victory was just genius. Thus enter the saying "The Sweet Science". But taking nothing away from Pac his victory was marvelous and he deserves without a doubt the p4p title. I am a big fan of Pac. But more of a fan of boxing. And I am not betting man at all. But for those that would take Pac over a prime conditioned Mayweather. Hell they say a fool and his money is soon parted. And who am I to not let a fool part with his money. I would bet on this one. And dont forget. Hatton is nothing but a version of Pac when it come to output and pressure. And look what Mayweather did to him. I highly doubt a Mayweather match would be made with Pac, but one could dream.

As for Oscar, I think this soils his legacy to some degree. He is 0 for 6 against the P4P elite. And himself never reaching the P4P crown, I think kinda diminishes his image IMO. I wish he would have just stayed retired.

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The 2 you mentioned (Ali and Real Deal). Yes fought past their prime. But also touched the P4P list and beat folks on it. DeLaHoya has never done that. He loses his big fights to the creme of the crop. But yes you are right. He is a shoe in for the Hall. The championships across multiple weight classes is nothing to shake a stick at. But as he keeps fighting these fighters that obviously outclass him. Makes him look really bad. Like I said, I saw the demise when he fought Strum. He was done then IMO. He should have lost that fight.

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The 2 you mentioned (Ali and Real Deal). Yes fought past their prime. But also touched the P4P list and beat folks on it. DeLaHoya has never done that. He loses his big fights to the creme of the crop. But yes you are right. He is a shoe in for the Hall. The championships across multiple weight classes is nothing to shake a stick at. But as he keeps fighting these fighters that obviously outclass him. Makes him look really bad. Like I said, I saw the demise when he fought Strum. He was done then IMO. He should have lost that fight.

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ummmm I am positive that Oscar has been on many p4p list throughout his career.

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The 2 you mentioned (Ali and Real Deal). Yes fought past their prime. But also touched the P4P list and beat folks on it. DeLaHoya has never done that. He loses his big fights to the creme of the crop. But yes you are right. He is a shoe in for the Hall. The championships across multiple weight classes is nothing to shake a stick at. But as he keeps fighting these fighters that obviously outclass him. Makes him look really bad. Like I said, I saw the demise when he fought Strum. He was done then IMO. He should have lost that fight.

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ummmm I am positive that Oscar has been on many p4p list throughout his career.

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Yes I agree he has been on the list. Bad choice of words by me. He has never been the THE pound for pound best boxer. And I would venture to say he has never cracked the top ten. To his credit there are several that are in that boat. But. His undeniable knack for losing to the reigning P4P boxers is undeniable.

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The 2 you mentioned (Ali and Real Deal). Yes fought past their prime. But also touched the P4P list and beat folks on it. DeLaHoya has never done that. He loses his big fights to the creme of the crop. But yes you are right. He is a shoe in for the Hall. The championships across multiple weight classes is nothing to shake a stick at. But as he keeps fighting these fighters that obviously outclass him. Makes him look really bad. Like I said, I saw the demise when he fought Strum. He was done then IMO. He should have lost that fight.

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ummmm I am positive that Oscar has been on many p4p list throughout his career.

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Yes I agree he has been on the list. Bad choice of words by me. He has never been the THE pound for pound best boxer. And I would venture to say he has never cracked the top ten. To his credit there are several that are in that boat. But. His undeniable knack for losing to the reigning P4P boxers is undeniable.

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If you truly think Oscar has never been the p4p best in boxing or even in the top 10 you are insane!

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The 2 you mentioned (Ali and Real Deal). Yes fought past their prime. But also touched the P4P list and beat folks on it. DeLaHoya has never done that. He loses his big fights to the creme of the crop. But yes you are right. He is a shoe in for the Hall. The championships across multiple weight classes is nothing to shake a stick at. But as he keeps fighting these fighters that obviously outclass him. Makes him look really bad. Like I said, I saw the demise when he fought Strum. He was done then IMO. He should have lost that fight.

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ummmm I am positive that Oscar has been on many p4p list throughout his career.

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Yes I agree he has been on the list. Bad choice of words by me. He has never been the THE pound for pound best boxer. And I would venture to say he has never cracked the top ten. To his credit there are several that are in that boat. But. His undeniable knack for losing to the reigning P4P boxers is undeniable.

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If you truly think Oscar has never been the p4p best in boxing or even in the top 10 you are insane!

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I am not above being corrected. But after years of watching his fights. I have never, ever heard him called the P4P king of boxing. Like Manny has, Like RJJ has, Like Manny has, Like B-hop has. It just doesnt ring in my head and from my brief search I found nothing. But I just do not see him being called that as he always loses to the person who is that.

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