Originally posted by N8:
quote:not really, just make 249,000/yr
Originally posted by t top freak:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
sucks for all of you that are successful!
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First black president.
quote:+1
Originally posted by cummins:
I hope he gets shot.
... i was gonna post that too lol quote:not really, just make 249,000/yr
Originally posted by t top freak:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
sucks for all of you that are successful!
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so far one post every min LMAO ![[burnout]](graemlins/burnout.gif)
quote:LOL
Originally posted by N8:
quote:not really, just make 249,000/yr
Originally posted by t top freak:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
sucks for all of you that are successful!
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quote:ha ha ha ha is that guy still alive?
Originally posted by turbo50:
Who cares, I voted for Ross Perot anyway!!!
quote:
Originally posted by 03White_Venom:
This sucks.... what a bad day for America!
quote:lmao... all i member bout that clown was BIG EARS
Originally posted by 03White_Venom:
quote:ha ha ha ha is that guy still alive?
Originally posted by turbo50:
Who cares, I voted for Ross Perot anyway!!!
At least Prob 8 is winning.. Yes is leading 57% to 43%
quote:+1
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
Two things i hope Obama does,
He leaves gun owners alone and doesn't mess with my 2A rights
and the second thing is, i hope he has the balls to bomb another country if they attack us.
quote:I agree
Originally posted by sic5pointSLOW:
besides the politics i learned alot about the people on this site by the way some of them waged their arguments.
quote:http://www.kcra.com/politics/feature.html
Originally posted by cummins:
And I'm really scared to think that prop 8 is that close.
quote:Me TOO!!!! Cuz I'm a WHITE BOY!!!!
Originally posted by N8:
I am hella happy right now
quote:REAL scary
Originally posted by cummins:
And I'm really scared to think that prop 8 is that close.
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quote:ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha LMFAO ha ha ha ha ha ha...
Originally posted by turbo50:
quote:Me TOO!!!! Cuz I'm a WHITE BOY!!!!
Originally posted by N8:
I am hella happy right now
Now I get to blame all my problems on the BLACK man!!!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOO HOOO!!!!!!!!
The "MAN" (black man) is keeping me and my kind DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its the BLACK mans fault!!!!
quote:by far the funniest thing said on this site!
Originally posted by turbo50:
quote:Me TOO!!!! Cuz I'm a WHITE BOY!!!!
Originally posted by N8:
I am hella happy right now
Now I get to blame all my problems on the BLACK man!!!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOO HOOO!!!!!!!!
The "MAN" (black man) is keeping me and my kind DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its the BLACK mans fault!!!!
quote:Isnt he just as much white, as he is black
Originally posted by N8:
I am hella happy right now
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quote:Yep that's what makes it so amusing.
Originally posted by 347_C.I.D.:
quote:Isnt he just as much white, as he is black
Originally posted by N8:
I am hella happy right now
thats what i dont get about the whole race issue coming into the election.
OBAMA time to clean up after the bush mess
OBAMA time to clean up after the bush mess any one woulda been better than a BUSH!!!!
quote:na I'm on the I phone . I'm watching a how high on DVD
Originally posted by Venomized93:
Wow, did you just hear what Ralph Nader say on TV? LOL
For Barack Hussein Obama!
quote:Certainly Not McCain LMAO! EPIC OWNED
Originally posted by 87droptop50:
Obama
President elect Obama! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
quote:Are they ghost ridding the whip?
Originally posted by Venomized93:
Mission District is going off right now. With cars and people honking for the past hour. Sounds like CINCO DE MAYO parade. LOL
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quote:The joy of the people, change has finally came to USA.
Originally posted by Venomized93:
Mission District is going off right now. With cars and people honking for the past hour. Sounds like CINCO DE MAYO parade. LOL
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quote:Thats why Obama is the President Of The United States Of America!!
Originally posted by 1994steeda:
+1
1990Silver5.0
"Im sorry but some people on this forms are showing they have racism in them."
i couldnt agree more.....
quote:al stock really? mature? you? get real
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Thats why Obama is the President Of The United States Of America!!
Originally posted by 1994steeda:
+1
1990Silver5.0
"Im sorry but some people on this forms are showing they have racism in them."
i couldnt agree more.....
He is here to pull out those cockroaches out of their holes and spray anti-insect spray on them!
Did anyone notice, when McCain gave his speech and as soon as he mentioned Obama's name.. The crowd boo'd?
And then Obama gave his victory speech, when he mentioned McCain's name, out of the million people in attendance, there was no boo's or anything. Shows that WE (Obama Supporters) have class and are more mature.
YES WE DID !!
quote:edited - this thread belongs on the general talk
Originally posted by sic5pointSLOW:
quote:al stock really? mature? you? get real
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Thats why Obama is the President Of The United States Of America!!
Originally posted by 1994steeda:
+1
1990Silver5.0
"Im sorry but some people on this forms are showing they have racism in them."
i couldnt agree more.....
He is here to pull out those cockroaches out of their holes and spray anti-insect spray on them!
Did anyone notice, when McCain gave his speech and as soon as he mentioned Obama's name.. The crowd boo'd?
And then Obama gave his victory speech, when he mentioned McCain's name, out of the million people in attendance, there was no boo's or anything. Shows that WE (Obama Supporters) have class and are more mature.
YES WE DID !!
quote:It would have been exactly the same if the results were reversed. The mccain crowd was obviously disappointed that their candidate didn't win just as obama supporters would have been had he lost.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Thats why Obama is the President Of The United States Of America!!
Originally posted by 1994steeda:
+1
1990Silver5.0
"Im sorry but some people on this forms are showing they have racism in them."
i couldnt agree more.....
He is here to pull out those cockroaches out of their holes and spray anti-insect spray on them!
Did anyone notice, when McCain gave his speech and as soon as he mentioned Obama's name.. The crowd boo'd?
And then Obama gave his victory speech, when he mentioned McCain's name, out of the million people in attendance, there was no boo's or anything. Shows that WE (Obama Supporters) have class and are more mature.
YES WE DID !!
quote:i hope YOU get shot!
Originally posted by cummins:
I hope he gets shot.
quote:Well said
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
this is pathetic....what does him being black have anything to do with anything? He won because people belived in what he was saying..people were ready for a change,or somebody trying to change things. You guy's all happy about him being a "black" pres might not be so happy in 4 years ,If he can't do what he says. It will be huge failure for the African American people and America. I personaly hope he succeds for all of us. Look at all the people who voted for him, he carried way more than just the black vote. It will be a historic step for Black men if he succeds....story still to be written.
quote:Cant unspill milk. It will never be a huge failure for African Americans. Never. Listen to McCain's exit speech to answer your first question. If you cannot understand the monumental and historic value this election/nomination has. Then I have nothing better to say than I'll pray for you. But McCain said it better than I can, if you missed his concession speech you should watch it.
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
this is pathetic....what does him being black have anything to do with anything? He won because people belived in what he was saying..people were ready for a change,or somebody trying to change things. You guy's all happy about him being a "black" pres might not be so happy in 4 years ,If he can't do what he says. It will be huge failure for the African American people and America. I personaly hope he succeds for all of us. Look at all the people who voted for him, he carried way more than just the black vote. It will be a historic step for Black men if he succeds....story still to be written.
quote:+1
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Cant unspill milk. It will never be a huge failure for African Americans. Never. Listen to McCain's exit speech to answer your first question. If you cannot understand the monumental and historic value this election/nomination has. Then I have nothing better to say than I'll pray for you. But McCain said it better than I can, if you missed his concession speech you should watch it.
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
this is pathetic....what does him being black have anything to do with anything? He won because people belived in what he was saying..people were ready for a change,or somebody trying to change things. You guy's all happy about him being a "black" pres might not be so happy in 4 years ,If he can't do what he says. It will be huge failure for the African American people and America. I personaly hope he succeds for all of us. Look at all the people who voted for him, he carried way more than just the black vote. It will be a historic step for Black men if he succeds....story still to be written.
quote:i would go as far as doing that, but he is not going to be good for america...maybe europe
Originally posted by cummins:
quote:+1
Originally posted by cummins:
I hope he gets shot.
quote:lmao....this is the funniest thing I have read here in a while. But you know what. You could be technically right. Its like the age old riddle. Is the zebra white with black stripes of black with white stripes. But soon as you mix a African American with any race you pretty much become African American, its a gift and a curse. Its one of those things you don't question. It just is. I am actually mixed as well. But no one can tell me I am not black...lol
Originally posted by 03White_Venom:
I find it interesting that they keep saying African American.. No offence I am sure its a proud day for some.. But hello he is half White....
quote:Proud day for MILLIONS, MILLIONS, MILLIONS, not juust some, some would be McCain's campain.
Originally posted by 03White_Venom:
I find it interesting that they keep saying African American.. No offence I am sure its a proud day for some.. But hello he is half White.. 50/50... So they still consider him a full blooded African American? If so I want to be called a Irish, Indian, German American and collect all the benefits! Going to call the local Indian casino and ask for my monthly check!
I didn't vote for him, but there is nothing I can do, I just hope the guy comes through with all his promises and doesn't rape the military like Clinton did.
quote:Well I know my words are falling on def ears. But you are doing the equivalent of skipping over a dime to get a nickle. You say you are looking past race (which is great believe me). But then you say "I am trying to see this as a good thing for ALL of America". That is where the contradiction occurs. He (Obama) symbolizes the "good" you are looking for. And he does so mainly because of race. He is the first African American president, as soon as that was announced he became an inspiration to every American to believe in the American Dream (If they hadn't already). He is a symbol of advancement and a icon that can put the scarred past of America further in the rearview (you spoke of that as well). That is the very substance of what makes America great, the ability to dream and achieve, even the most loftiest of goals (which is why I said you are missing a large chunk of what makes America great). Now as commander in chief we will have to judge him by his duties now. Not his words. And that judgment is a cumulative one. So at the the present there is no "good" you can draw or search for. Only "good" speculation. So in essence you are indeed looking right past the dime and settling for the nickle by not understanding the magnitude of this election. I for one never thought I would see it in my lifetime.
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
I would not accept or do I neep your pitty anyhow. You are so blinded by color you can't see the light N8. Yes I agree it is a large step for Black america( I just call it america because I do not segragate by race). I am trying to see this as a good thing for ALL of America because we are a melting pot of races. Every time I try to post up something about America people like your self always have to bring color into it. How as a country will we ever get past this if the people who cry foul about racism alway keep bringing it up ? Pray for your self and pity your self N8 you need it way more than me.
quote:Ive been in the military over 10 years now, I sure hope he doesnt treat us like clinton did.
Originally posted by 03White_Venom:
I just hope the guy comes through with all his promises and doesn't rape the military like Clinton did.
quote:well said.
Originally posted by COBRAreflection:
It is a big step for blacks and other minorities as we can now feel we all truly have an equal opportunity to become or be whatever we want to be. I'm hispanic and have always believed that, but I have a lot of family and minority friends that don't believe that. This also helps whites in that they can no longer feel any type of guilt for having what alot of people say an "advantage". And they can longer be accused of being the "brick wall" that stands in the way of minorities. Of course this new step with Obama doesn't solve all the racial issues we have presently, but it is a big step for everyone in this country. But more importantly I think we all know deep down that Obama was and is the most qualified person for the presidency. Lets hope that he follows through with everything he's promised.
would be nice if he invited a professional player to play 1 on 1
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quote:its all perspective. i personally have a friend from back in the day who got an abortion becuase she was raped and got pregnat by the rapist. if she would have had the kid she would have gave it up for adoption and we would have had a future welfare recipiant and a general drain on the economy.
Originally posted by Jdub07:
I voted McCain...
I can't vote for someone that is Pro Abortion. Someone that is fine with letting a live baby that is born from an induced abortion gone wrong just sit there and die, or sufficate it to death, or strangle it or whatever other fucked off way they can think of. WTF,...I'm sorry but that is the very most sick thing I've ever heard of!
Pro Choice is Pro Abortion. Saying you are Pro Choice is a fuckin cop out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb8UK5Dv4v8&feature=related
quote:
Originally posted by *302DROP*:
obama and his crew are cruising to the whitehouse
quote:so are you saying that all offspring of rapist and go to a foster home are gonna get welfare.im pretty sure that if you are a welfare recipient the people who foster out kids arent gonna let you get a child.not to mention that not all people follow in their birth parents footsteps.
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
quote:its all perspective. i personally have a friend from back in the day who got an abortion becuase she was raped and got pregnat by the rapist. if she would have had the kid she would have gave it up for adoption and we would have had a future welfare recipiant and a general drain on the economy.
Originally posted by Jdub07:
I voted McCain...
I can't vote for someone that is Pro Abortion. Someone that is fine with letting a live baby that is born from an induced abortion gone wrong just sit there and die, or sufficate it to death, or strangle it or whatever other fucked off way they can think of. WTF,...I'm sorry but that is the very most sick thing I've ever heard of!
Pro Choice is Pro Abortion. Saying you are Pro Choice is a fuckin cop out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb8UK5Dv4v8&feature=related
if you want to be pro life thats fine but then you better open up your home and become a foster parent.
quote:thats exactly my point. what i am saying is if we force people who are not ready to become parents to have kids. then those who forsed them should raise the unwanted children and prevent them from going down that path.
Originally posted by gtowned:
i think that the fostering family would determine the outcome of the childs future over their dna [/QB]
quote:hit the nail on the head don.
Originally posted by hidnn.o.s.:
I stand behind my statement, it's dead on......
It's not like the baby is being born, then the head is being cut off, don't be an idiot, be a realist......
quote:yea thats obama counting the record profits the oil companies made under the bush administraion.
Originally posted by Yaterstang:
Back to obama
quote:
Originally posted by turbo50:
quote:Me TOO!!!! Cuz I'm a WHITE BOY!!!!
Originally posted by N8:
I am hella happy right now
Now I get to blame all my problems on the BLACK man!!!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOO HOOO!!!!!!!!
The "MAN" (black man) is keeping me and my kind DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its the BLACK mans fault!!!!
quote:wow I am not to sure what is so hard to understand about the significance of the first black/african american president. Like I said. McCain said it better than I ever could. Kingroy posted a link to the youtube vid of his concession speech. Listen to it and comprehend it. And just to clear the record I would be equally ecstatic if Hillary had won, or if a Native American won, or if a person of Asian descent won. But me being black it makes me that much prouder. And it makes for very good inspiration talk to my kids about the American Dream.
Originally posted by 5.0-srt-4:
al sotck and n8...im pro obama first off. but if he doesent help out with our debt,housing crisis,war and all our other REAL problems him being black is about as important as bush being white....please fillme in on why its so important with him being black? al stock i know your like pro muslim and what not so n8 can you answer that bro dont you think the usa is fucked up past the point of caring about skin color?>
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quote:it will be important when he makes a positive change.......heres my point take it or leave it....bush is to me a dumb white old idiot...if obama does like him hed be a middleaged half black half white idiot. i see what you mean nate its a big thing for blacks but im not for "blacks" or "whites" im for me and you having a better place to live homie
Originally posted by 86- 50:
A older black lady i work with came to work to day and made a good point, She said she remembers marching for the right to even be able to vote 40-45 years ago, and now we have a black president. But you idiots are right(its not that important
quote:what's wrong? Wow, Mr. youtube can't find a video.
Originally posted by *302DROP*:
i just found today that obama threw the first pitch in the alds game 2, does anyone know where i can find the video, ive been looking on youtube but cant find it
quote:lmfao... my youtube mojo was stolen
Originally posted by JOEFOX87:
quote:what's wrong? Wow, Mr. youtube can't find a video.
Originally posted by *302DROP*:
i just found today that obama threw the first pitch in the alds game 2, does anyone know where i can find the video, ive been looking on youtube but cant find it
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quote:I have no clue
Originally posted by 1994steeda:
*302DROP*
the mayor of vacaville i think.. there was a mayor from a city in the bay area who is black and voted for McCain... he was interviewed on election night on channel 2
Mr302, Not knocking you but who do you thinks Owns, Runs, and controls what people see on Fox?
quote:Are President should be a proud American.
Originally posted by 1994steeda:
hey " 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX' "
Did you know that by leaving the war we will save "trillions"....
Heres one for everyone..What if Obama what not Black? what if he was Hispanic or Asian, would that be okay. Or should a president only be White?
over 35 years old and born in the United States,and want to do there best to serve the people of this country...all colors.quote:Yea we'll save trillions now, then we'll have to go back and spend trillions later after iraq gets taken over by another tyrannous dictator because we didn't finish the job.
Originally posted by 1994steeda:
hey " 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX' "
Did you know that by leaving the war we will save "trillions"....
Heres one for everyone..What if Obama what not Black? what if he was Hispanic or Asian, would that be okay. Or should a president only be White?
quote:If we had a black/mexican/asian/indian, queer, woman presidential candidate that stood for the same beliefs as me, I would vote for her. I think it's absurd that a bunch of people were voting for Obama simply because he was black. I'm sure it's been posted here already, but go look it up on youtube - howard stern had interviewed some people and it was obvious that a significant portion of this election had to do with race.
Originally posted by 1994steeda:
hey " 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX' "
Did you know that by leaving the war we will save "trillions"....
Heres one for everyone..What if Obama what not Black? what if he was Hispanic or Asian, would that be okay. Or should a president only be White?
quote:Amen
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i am a shia muslim and i can trace back my roots to the middle east but even i am sick of having us lives lost in this conflict. the middle east would not be messed up if we would not have gotten involved in the first place. if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.
i hope obama pulls out the troops asap!
It is not america's problem!
quote:are you fu**in serious there has been religious wars going on in the middle east forever.dont blame ALL the problems in the middle east on us.that area of the world will be messed up untill the people over there figure out how to stop killing each other over religion
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
the middle east would not be messed up if we would not have gotten involved in the first place.
quote:What Insurance dude was implementing was that leave them alone and they will leave us alone. Let them deal with their own problems, we have our own problems to worry to deal with.
Originally posted by gtowned:
quote:are you fu**in serious there has been religious wars going on in the middle east forever.dont blame ALL the problems in the middle east on us.that area of the world will be messed up untill the people over there figure out how to stop killing each other over religion
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
the middle east would not be messed up if we would not have gotten involved in the first place.
quote:It is true there were probably some who didn't vote for him because he was black, and that is wrong too. I think it's safe to say, though, that a lot more people voted FOR him because of race than voted against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
srt-4
You never answered my question.
But then again you did. Just for the simple fact 9 out of 10 Americans 5-10 years ago would have thought it, far-fetched, a pipe dream, too good to be true that we would see a black president today. That is a good reason why this election is so important. Why would the vast majority find it impossible? Far-fetched? hmmmm. I wonder. And for the person that said people voted for him because he was black and that was wrong. Do you not think or speak of the people who didn't vote for him only because he is black? Do you not think that is wrong as well or a door that swings both ways?
Like I said color was not the reason for my vote. And I highly doubt that is the reason he won. People believe in him and his charisma. Now the fact that he is black is a added plus on multiple levels.
quote:I agree totally, that far too many made their choice to or not to vote for him based on race. I think far too much was made of the superficial things all through out this campaign. Race, his name, his father, was he born in Hawaii.... Focus on the goods so we can be sure to have the best fit in that seat. In some ways I think McCain cheated himself by focusing on non-campaign related things and a smear campaign. I didn't get to see the real him until his concession speech.
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:It is true there were probably some who didn't vote for him because he was black, and that is wrong too. I think it's safe to say, though, that a lot more people voted FOR him because of race than voted against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
srt-4
You never answered my question.
But then again you did. Just for the simple fact 9 out of 10 Americans 5-10 years ago would have thought it, far-fetched, a pipe dream, too good to be true that we would see a black president today. That is a good reason why this election is so important. Why would the vast majority find it impossible? Far-fetched? hmmmm. I wonder. And for the person that said people voted for him because he was black and that was wrong. Do you not think or speak of the people who didn't vote for him only because he is black? Do you not think that is wrong as well or a door that swings both ways?
Like I said color was not the reason for my vote. And I highly doubt that is the reason he won. People believe in him and his charisma. Now the fact that he is black is a added plus on multiple levels.
quote:McCain lost all points and lost all credibilty from me after Joe The Plumber scandal, after Joe was brought up, McCain's only focus for the next few weeks was Joe The Plumber over and over.
Originally posted by N8:
quote:I agree totally, that far too many made their choice to or not to vote for him based on race. I think far too much was made of the superficial things all through out this campaign. Race, his name, his father, was he born in Hawaii.... Focus on the goods so we can be sure to have the best fit in that seat. In some ways I think McCain cheated himself by focusing on non-campaign related things and a smear campaign. I didn't get to see the real him until his concession speech.
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:It is true there were probably some who didn't vote for him because he was black, and that is wrong too. I think it's safe to say, though, that a lot more people voted FOR him because of race than voted against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
srt-4
You never answered my question.
But then again you did. Just for the simple fact 9 out of 10 Americans 5-10 years ago would have thought it, far-fetched, a pipe dream, too good to be true that we would see a black president today. That is a good reason why this election is so important. Why would the vast majority find it impossible? Far-fetched? hmmmm. I wonder. And for the person that said people voted for him because he was black and that was wrong. Do you not think or speak of the people who didn't vote for him only because he is black? Do you not think that is wrong as well or a door that swings both ways?
Like I said color was not the reason for my vote. And I highly doubt that is the reason he won. People believe in him and his charisma. Now the fact that he is black is a added plus on multiple levels.
quote:So you guys think we should just load everyone up and leave Iraq over night? While you don't agree with us being there we can't just up and walk away until there is a new, stable government in place. Think about how easy it would be for terrorists to walk in, toss out an unstable government and take over that country. With billions of dollars of oil money they could really wage war on us in a catastrophic way. No matter what we need to finish what we started.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Amen
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i am a shia muslim and i can trace back my roots to the middle east but even i am sick of having us lives lost in this conflict. the middle east would not be messed up if we would not have gotten involved in the first place. if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.
i hope obama pulls out the troops asap!
It is not america's problem!
quote:+1
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:So you guys think we should just load everyone up and leave Iraq over night? While you don't agree with us being there we can't just up and walk away until there is a new, stable government in place. Think about how easy it would be for terrorists to walk in, toss out an unstable government and take over that country. With billions of dollars of oil money they could really wage war on us in a catastrophic way. No matter what we need to finish what we started.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Amen
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i am a shia muslim and i can trace back my roots to the middle east but even i am sick of having us lives lost in this conflict. the middle east would not be messed up if we would not have gotten involved in the first place. if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.
i hope obama pulls out the troops asap!
It is not america's problem!
quote:Just to clear up any misconception, in case not everyone knows this, but Saddam didn't just appear in Iraq. He was placed into power and supported by our government after we helped him depose the king, who we also placed into power. He just got out of control.
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
Yea we'll save trillions now, then we'll have to go back and spend trillions later after iraq gets taken over by another tyrannous dictator because we didn't finish the job.
quote:I agree completely!!
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:So you guys think we should just load everyone up and leave Iraq over night? While you don't agree with us being there we can't just up and walk away until there is a new, stable government in place. Think about how easy it would be for terrorists to walk in, toss out an unstable government and take over that country. With billions of dollars of oil money they could really wage war on us in a catastrophic way. No matter what we need to finish what we started.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Amen
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i am a shia muslim and i can trace back my roots to the middle east but even i am sick of having us lives lost in this conflict. the middle east would not be messed up if we would not have gotten involved in the first place. if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.
i hope obama pulls out the troops asap!
It is not america's problem!
quote:Yea and if you really know what you're talking about you'd know that any plumber can work under his company owners license and does not have to have his own license unless he owns his own company. I think it's funny how much time was spent on "investigating" joe the plumber just because he asked a hard question that obama wasn't really prepared for. News flash: joe the plumber wasn't running for anything!!! but yet they had a news van parked outside his house for weeks after! where was the news van outside bill ayers house?? Reverend Right's house??? Pastor Flaggar's house??? these were people who obama was truly associated with and friends with and yet the press never made an investigation into these men and there connections!! the old phrase, "you can learn a lot about a person by the friends he keeps" still holds true for me, and I don't like the friends obama keeps.
Originally posted by N8:
What I found funny is when under a independent study. They found Joe the Plumber would come out better under Obama's plan. Plus he had no license to be plumbing where he was at. And is gonna get hit with tax evasion. Why he chose to bring him along I have no clue. It's sad when you see the break down of the popular vote. You can clearly see the generational divide and the shear geographic nature of his wins almost hint of a racial divide of his supporters. Obama clearly bridged all gaps en route to his resounding win.
quote:Yea and the libs are already filing suit against that. My teacher even brought up the excuse that people didn't know what they were voting for because it was a double negative (meaning to vote FOR gay marriage you had to vote AGAINST the proposition) and some people got confused and voted the wrong way. I say, we voted on the same thing 6 years ago (prop 22) and it won by an overwhelming majority of over 60%. six years later the only thing has changed is more liberal young people with different moral values can now vote.
Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':
Atleast one good thing happend this election, and that Prop 8 passing
quote:+20....most of these clowns voted for Bush 2x's. So all of their political prophecies make about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine. Like it or hate it, he is our/your president. And one good thing is one would have to possess a almost extraordinary amount of stupidity and ignorance to do worse than Bush. And I think we can all agree that he is not nearly as stupid as Bush. So on that alone I think the guy needs a break and a chance to give this country a kick-start. His ideals are not that bad
Originally posted by SPIDER_STANG:
I read all of the threads & WoW I have been apart of 2 many of these conversations it is interesting to see everyone's opinion on this topic!!! I just hope everyone can Stop looking for Obama to mess up so you can say I told you so!! He is a man & we all make mistakes!! But we are so far in the hole it will take at least 2 terms to dig us out of the hole!! so I think nothing will change in the near future but we will see small signs of things heading in the right direction!! So please give the guy a chance!
quote:Looks like you do not know what you are talking about actually.
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:Yea and if you really know what you're talking about you'd know that any plumber can work under his company owners license and does not have to have his own license unless he owns his own company....
Originally posted by N8:
What I found funny is when under a independent study. They found Joe the Plumber would come out better under Obama's plan. Plus he had no license to be plumbing where he was at. And is gonna get hit with tax evasion. Why he chose to bring him along I have no clue. It's sad when you see the break down of the popular vote. You can clearly see the generational divide and the shear geographic nature of his wins almost hint of a racial divide of his supporters. Obama clearly bridged all gaps en route to his resounding win.
quote:Not to start a flame war, or a war on terrorism thread but can you tell me;
As far as the middle east they brought us into it. When 9-11 happened they brought in to the land, and you should be damn happy it is there and we are keeping it there. Number one thing above all race, politics, or anything, he must keep America safe.[/QB]
quote:Whole other discusion there bro. I don't think this is the thread to go deep on that. But Iraq does harbor known terrorists, and will continue to. Clinton had a chance to erase Osama from this earth but didn't and thats another story as well. What has happened has happened and saying bush didn't protect us well enough is to say the same for President Roosevelt not protecting us on December 7th.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Not to start a flame war, or a war on terrorism thread but can you tell me;
As far as the middle east they brought us into it. When 9-11 happened they brought in to the land, and you should be damn happy it is there and we are keeping it there. Number one thing above all race, politics, or anything, he must keep America safe.
What did Iraq had to do with this "war on terrorism". Last i HEARD, Osama and his crew of terrorists attacked us on Sept 11.
How did Bush keep us safe from them? Osama is still out there, watching CNN on his Plasma screen in Kabul. [/QB]
quote:I did my fair share of research on that Joe The Plumber, came to find out, he is full of shit.
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Looks like you do not know what you are talking about actually.
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:Yea and if you really know what you're talking about you'd know that any plumber can work under his company owners license and does not have to have his own license unless he owns his own company....
Originally posted by N8:
What I found funny is when under a independent study. They found Joe the Plumber would come out better under Obama's plan. Plus he had no license to be plumbing where he was at. And is gonna get hit with tax evasion. Why he chose to bring him along I have no clue. It's sad when you see the break down of the popular vote. You can clearly see the generational divide and the shear geographic nature of his wins almost hint of a racial divide of his supporters. Obama clearly bridged all gaps en route to his resounding win.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber
Remember
Better to let one assume you are a ass. Than to open ones mouth and erase all doubt
Wise words.
quote:Of course it's not going to happen overnight, but we are not getting anywhere, ok we got Saddam, do you know how he become that powerful? What are going to do, give another Saddam power to run Iraq? Regardless, if we finish the war, whats going to happen in the next 10-15 years there in Iraq? You guessed it...
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:So you guys think we should just load everyone up and leave Iraq over night? While you don't agree with us being there we can't just up and walk away until there is a new, stable government in place. Think about how easy it would be for terrorists to walk in, toss out an unstable government and take over that country. With billions of dollars of oil money they could really wage war on us in a catastrophic way. No matter what we need to finish what we started.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Amen
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i am a shia muslim and i can trace back my roots to the middle east but even i am sick of having us lives lost in this conflict. the middle east would not be messed up if we would not have gotten involved in the first place. if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.
i hope obama pulls out the troops asap!
It is not america's problem!
quote:Oh, so i guess this license means nothing?
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Looks like you do not know what you are talking about actually.
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:Yea and if you really know what you're talking about you'd know that any plumber can work under his company owners license and does not have to have his own license unless he owns his own company....
Originally posted by N8:
What I found funny is when under a independent study. They found Joe the Plumber would come out better under Obama's plan. Plus he had no license to be plumbing where he was at. And is gonna get hit with tax evasion. Why he chose to bring him along I have no clue. It's sad when you see the break down of the popular vote. You can clearly see the generational divide and the shear geographic nature of his wins almost hint of a racial divide of his supporters. Obama clearly bridged all gaps en route to his resounding win.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber
Remember
Better to let one assume you are a ass. Than to open ones mouth and erase all doubt
Wise words.
quote:You left out this fact:
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:I did my fair share of research on that Joe The Plumber, came to find out, he is full of shit.
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Looks like you do not know what you are talking about actually.
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:Yea and if you really know what you're talking about you'd know that any plumber can work under his company owners license and does not have to have his own license unless he owns his own company....
Originally posted by N8:
What I found funny is when under a independent study. They found Joe the Plumber would come out better under Obama's plan. Plus he had no license to be plumbing where he was at. And is gonna get hit with tax evasion. Why he chose to bring him along I have no clue. It's sad when you see the break down of the popular vote. You can clearly see the generational divide and the shear geographic nature of his wins almost hint of a racial divide of his supporters. Obama clearly bridged all gaps en route to his resounding win.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber
Remember
Better to let one assume you are a ass. Than to open ones mouth and erase all doubt
Wise words.
1. (JTP) Joe the Plumber is NOT licensed as a Plumber
2. JTP has no specific plans to purchase or buying his bosses business
3. JTP's bosses business doesnt even make close to 200K, but closer to 100K
4. Buying his bosses business will be difficult to him because in 2006 he made 40K a year.
Just google him or watch his interviews on Youtube with Fox, CNN, MSNBC etc etc
but we are in agreement that he is a fraud. And why McCain took him with im on campaign crap I have no clue.
quote:Ok, i'm gonna say it the same way i've been saying it on EVERY other "mustang" board I visit.
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
because lets face it, many people voted for obama because he was black. plain and simple. They overlooked everything else about his character and record (or lack of), and the friends he keeps.[/QB]
quote:I've been saying that everywhere, and not one has come out and admitted it.
Originally posted by N8:
....most of these clowns voted for Bush 2x's. So all of their political prophecies make about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.
quote:he already agreed with Bush that the troops should stay until 2011. I guess you missed that.
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i am a shia muslim and i can trace back my roots to the middle east but even i am sick of having us lives lost in this conflict. the middle east would not be messed up if we would not have gotten involved in the first place. if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.
i hope obama pulls out the troops asap!
It is not america's problem!
quote:I know several people that served there and 3 people personally that were killed over there so I understand the loss but I'm still saying we need to finish what we started. Even if you don't agree with us being there or believe what led us to the war it doesn't change where we are right now.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Of course it's not going to happen overnight, but we are not getting anywhere, ok we got Saddam, do you know how he become that powerful? What are going to do, give another Saddam power to run Iraq? Regardless, if we finish the war, whats going to happen in the next 10-15 years there in Iraq? You guessed it...
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:So you guys think we should just load everyone up and leave Iraq over night? While you don't agree with us being there we can't just up and walk away until there is a new, stable government in place. Think about how easy it would be for terrorists to walk in, toss out an unstable government and take over that country. With billions of dollars of oil money they could really wage war on us in a catastrophic way. No matter what we need to finish what we started.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Amen
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
i am a shia muslim and i can trace back my roots to the middle east but even i am sick of having us lives lost in this conflict. the middle east would not be messed up if we would not have gotten involved in the first place. if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.
i hope obama pulls out the troops asap!
It is not america's problem!
its been a very long and tiring war, my neighbours son, 25yrs old, was killed in Iraq. She is a senior citizen, all she does now is sits infront of the TV and watches CNN 24/7 and still hopes her kid would return one day.
I pass by her door every single day and see the samething over and over, she has no husband, all byherself at the age of 56.
Everytime i see her, i ask myself "what are we still doing there?! WHY are we still there?! GTFO outta there before we continue to lose our soldiers over something that THEY DONT EVEN know what they are fighting for.
Ask Tony Blair, Donald Rumsfeld, Condelisa rice, ask the Bush Adminnistration about the WMD's and if they really ever existed. Ask to show PROOF, documentation, videos, any witnesses?
We are there now, been there for TOO LONG, finish up and come back to the USA and lets fight our own war in our own backyard. Stop making more and more enemies, stop instigating another Sept 11 in the future.
quote:OK you got me on the county license. So go back and read my post after that. The one that shows his company's STATE license. This is the information I was going off of. I did not know there was a requirement to have a different license to do the same thing at the city/county level. My dad is a general contractor and he has one license to operate his business in the state of california. There is no license to operate in santa clara county or san jose to the best of my knowledge. I had no reason to believe Ohio's laws were any different. I apologize for the "clowning"
Originally posted by N8:
You left out this fact:
"But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo."
And since you tried to clown me with the "If you knew what you were talking about" statement. I figured I would point out that you did not know what the hell you were saying when you spewed that non-sense. I can take being clowned when I am wrong. But when you just talk out the side of your neck. I feel the need to adjust ones point of view with facts..
quote:obama won by 7% (53% to 46%)So if every african american voted for him it definitely made a big difference. and i'm not saying this gave him the win, just saying it made a large impact on that win.
Originally posted by STEED:
quote:Ok, i'm gonna say it the same way i've been saying it on EVERY other "mustang" board I visit.
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
because lets face it, many people voted for obama because he was black. plain and simple. They overlooked everything else about his character and record (or lack of), and the friends he keeps.
Blacks make up 12% of the US population
IF every black person voted for Obama it still would not give him the win he received. [/QB]
quote:I mean but why ask hypothetical questions. Then inject yourself into them. Then back up like a crawdad when called on stuff. Where I am from that is called being "busted out". I still think it hurt McCain because this hypothetical question was later proved that Joe the Plumber would have loved it under Obama's plan. And trust me. People who make over 250k hide so much in deductions and receipts that the 36 to 39% tax jump will not hurt them one bit.
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:OK you got me on the county license. So go back and read my post after that. The one that shows his company's STATE license. This is the information I was going off of. I did not know there was a requirement to have a different license to do the same thing at the city/county level. My dad is a general contractor and he has one license to operate his business in the state of california. There is no license to operate in santa clara county or san jose to the best of my knowledge. I had no reason to believe Ohio's laws were any different. I apologize for the "clowning"
Originally posted by N8:
You left out this fact:
"But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo."
And since you tried to clown me with the "If you knew what you were talking about" statement. I figured I would point out that you did not know what the hell you were saying when you spewed that non-sense. I can take being clowned when I am wrong. But when you just talk out the side of your neck. I feel the need to adjust ones point of view with facts..
All this talk calling joe the plumber a fraud and full of shit is ridiculous. He's just an average guy like any of us, it just so happens he asked a question that some people in the obama machine didn't like. So now we all have to slam him and investigate him? I don't care who he is, what he does, if he pays his taxes on time, how much money he makes and whether he really plans on buying his bosses company (he later clarified that the question was a hypothetical one and he does not plan to buy the company any time soon). I care about the answer to the question he asked of obama, which to be honest scares me.
quote:Well of course why wouldn't a black person not vote for there own race when alot of people especially elderly black people thought that they would never see a black man be President of the United States.
Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':
I understand it is a big deal for the first black president and its a big deal for America. I just have a problem with some of these people that only voted for him cause he was black and democrate.
quote:Well thank goodness for you that white people do not feel the same way about race as you. Obama would have never been elected. The last time I checked there were more white people than black in the USA. So buy your comment, Obama won despite all the racist people who voted for him.
Originally posted by 1990Silver5.0:
quote:Well of course why wouldn't a black person not vote for there own race when alot of people especially elderly black people thought that they would never see a black man be President of the United States.
Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':
I understand it is a big deal for the first black president and its a big deal for America. I just have a problem with some of these people that only voted for him cause he was black and democrate.
We black people have been through so much and to see a black man as President is a dream that came true. It means so much to the black community! You im guessing not black wouldn't understand.
And for everyone sayin negative things about obama need to just STFU an accept it that a Black Man name Barack Obama is now your President of the United States Of America. I know deep down inside you hate it but live with it.
Im out
quote:a. I didnt't vote for Bush either of his terms
Originally posted by fr5.0:
...
read it again nate electoral votes are for dummys that dont want to see the truth! this election was a scandle and you know it!!!!! you see the american dream, because why a black man got elected comeon we are adults. his veiws will hurt our nation. when we have double the unemployment we have now you will wish for a new, just like when you you voted for bush and he fucked up go figure!!!!!
quote:obama won the popular vote.
Originally posted by fr5.0:
popular vote made this country what it is to day, electoral vote f@#ked it up for ever.
quote:WOW!!
Originally posted by fr5.0:
popular vote made this country what it is to day, electoral vote f@#ked it up for ever.
quote:i am sure that is not true but that was saposed to be an ignoreant statement.
Originally posted by N8:
lmao...sorry. But Gays do not believe in God?
quote:I don't agree with this at all. In fact, i said the exact opposite a page or two back. I believe more people voted for him because of race than against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
For every one person that may voted because he was black. There were at least 5 that voted against him because he was black. Which is sad both ways.
quote:Just curious. I am speculating in my guesstimate. Are you saying you know for a fact or are you guessing as well? My guess is based on the states he won (basically the whole bible belt) and the demographics he won (like the over 50's)
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:I don't agree with this at all. In fact, i said the exact opposite a page or two back. I believe more people voted for him because of race than against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
For every one person that may voted because he was black. There were at least 5 that voted against him because he was black. Which is sad both ways.
quote:Well this is from my non-indepth research. But once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
quote:i am sure that is not true but that was saposed to be an ignoreant statement.
Originally posted by N8:
lmao...sorry. But Gays do not believe in God?
i do understand that school thing and i totally agree that schools should not teach anything about marraige especially gay amrriage. but isnt that more of a school issue?
i just do not get how denying rights to people is going to protect our children.
quote:I agree totally with you N8, who cares what they do. They do have almost all the same rights as a married couple but I think the ability to adopt is effected if they can't get married. Honestly, I know a few people that grew up with a gay parent and their partner, it puts a huge emotional strain from what I've seen. The kids are constantly trying to hide it because they are embarrassed so friends can't come over, they won't share things going on in their life and it takes a huge toll on them. God forbid anyone finding out then they are open to harassment or being physically tortured about it. The parents seem to make it worse because they are "proud" so try and shove it in everyone's faces. They've got hundreds of gay pride stickers..... I've never seen people flaunting the fact they were straight!
Originally posted by N8:
once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
quote:I would have to agree with you there. If for every 1 person that voted for him because of race 5 people voted the other way you would have McCain as your new pres. BTW there are not more monorities than whites in this country
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:I don't agree with this at all. In fact, i said the exact opposite a page or two back. I believe more people voted for him because of race than against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
And just to correct 2stangs. There are more white people than blacks that is true. But there are more minorities than whites For every one person that may voted because he was black. There were at least 5 that voted against him because he was black. Which is sad both ways.
quote:wtf they want the responsibility of a child, and the unstable mind set of a homosexual come on. Gay people go threw so much crap just being gay, they make them selfs out casts but want to be part of society and have all the perks of a strait family. that s$#t dont fly with me, and kids in grade school are so confused already how are they gunna throw in how its ok to be gay. Rights are one thing over exaggeration is another.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:I agree totally with you N8, who cares what they do. They do have almost all the same rights as a married couple but I think the ability to adopt is effected if they can't get married. Honestly, I know a few people that grew up with a gay parent and their partner, it puts a huge emotional strain from what I've seen. The kids are constantly trying to hide it because they are embarrassed so friends can't come over, they won't share things going on in their life and it takes a huge toll on them. God forbid anyone finding out then they are open to harassment or being physically tortured about it. The parents seem to make it worse because they are "proud" so try and shove it in everyone's faces. They've got hundreds of gay pride stickers..... I've never seen people flaunting the fact they were straight!
Originally posted by N8:
once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
quote:There you go being simple minded. Minorities include women smart guy.
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
quote:I would have to agree with you there. If for every 1 person that voted for him because of race 5 people voted the other way you would have McCain as your new pres. BTW there are not more monorities than whites in this country
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:I don't agree with this at all. In fact, i said the exact opposite a page or two back. I believe more people voted for him because of race than against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
And just to correct 2stangs. There are more white people than blacks that is true. But there are more minorities than whites For every one person that may voted because he was black. There were at least 5 that voted against him because he was black. Which is sad both ways.
There are over 300 million people in the USA only a little over 100 million minorities. The highest group of minorities is Hispanics followed by Blacks. Thats what I like about you N8 you never let facts get in the way of your posts.
quote:Are you serious....He is not the smartest? Dude do you know his educational pedigree?
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:wtf they want the responsibility of a child, and the unstable mind set of a homosexual come on. Gay people go threw so much crap just being gay, they make them selfs out casts but want to be part of society and have all the perks of a strait family. that s$#t dont fly with me, and kids in grade school are so confused already how are they gunna throw in how its ok to be gay. Rights are one thing over exaggeration is another.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:I agree totally with you N8, who cares what they do. They do have almost all the same rights as a married couple but I think the ability to adopt is effected if they can't get married. Honestly, I know a few people that grew up with a gay parent and their partner, it puts a huge emotional strain from what I've seen. The kids are constantly trying to hide it because they are embarrassed so friends can't come over, they won't share things going on in their life and it takes a huge toll on them. God forbid anyone finding out then they are open to harassment or being physically tortured about it. The parents seem to make it worse because they are "proud" so try and shove it in everyone's faces. They've got hundreds of gay pride stickers..... I've never seen people flaunting the fact they were straight!
Originally posted by N8:
once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
oh and n8 my bad all i saw was that post b4, but no ones tryin to clown. Everything i have said in the past was on point, prove me wrong. Only the first part of that post was directed at you i didnt say you voted for g.b., you know im right about electoral vote that crap is bs.
This election was a scandle from the start, thats why the dumbest rep. ran for office.Lets be real Obama aint the sharpest tool in the shed eather um um um um um well um um well. There where way better candidates for the position, why did they back out? want a clue "scandle".
quote:I would say that makes second best to no one in terms of education.
After graduating high school from Punahou School in Hawaii, Barack Obama attended Occidental College for two years, then got his B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.
quote:no mention of magna cum laude or anything prestigious.
Bush, as a child, was not accepted for admission by St. John's School in Houston, Texas, a prestigious private school.[14] Instead, he attended The Kinkaid School, the private school from which St. John's had broken away.[14][15]
Bush attended Phillips Academy, an all-boys private high school in Andover, Massachusetts, where he played baseball and during his senior year was the head cheerleader.[16][17] Following in his father's footsteps, Bush attended Yale University from 1964 to 1968, receiving a Bachelor's degree in history in 1968.[18] As a college senior, Bush became a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society. By his own characterization, he was an average student.[19]
In 1970, Bush applied to but was not accepted into the University of Texas School of Law.[20] Beginning in the Fall of 1973, Bush attended Harvard University, where he earned a MBA.[21]
quote:Decorated war hero, not much mention of education. But my point is Obama is very smart, very articulate. Probably as educated as any president we have ever had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
quote:As a business owner how do you adjust? You pass the extra cost on to the customers. People think because he won't raise taxes for anyone under 250K its still going to effect us by higher prices for stuff we buy because the extra tax money paid by a company is going to trickle down. Look at how fuel prices effected shipping costs. They raise the prices then tack on fuel surcharges, we pay the extra costs for them. You may adjust when life throws a curve ball at you but not everyone can, some people are barely getting by and rising costs of every day needs will eventually make their life worse.
Originally posted by N8:
I am currently a business owner and while and I do make 6 figures (not 250k) I have no problem with the tax hike were it to hit me. Because I have a stable business model. So, while I can see how it would rub some the wrong way. A smart business owner or 250k money earner would adapt. I know plenty of people that are swimming in the cash we are speaking of. And none of them are tripping on the proposed tax hike. Well they do discuss it, but it is in the same breath as how to adapt. Just like when they raised my building prop tax. I adjusted. Like when my home prop tax goes up. I adjust. I am now trying to provide benefits for my employees, so Obama's plan made a lot of sense to me. So the things you speak of I am on it. And anyone making that kind of bread will know how to adjust. They will complain, but they will adjust.
quote:Actually the race in georgia was very close, and not to mention obama won north carolina and virginia(Richmond, VA was the capital of the confederacy was during the civil war) which are very much a part of the "old south." But my statement is just as yours was, a guess... although i'd like to call it an educated one
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Just curious. I am speculating in my guesstimate. Are you saying you know for a fact or are you guessing as well? My guess is based on the states he won (basically the whole bible belt) and the demographics he won (like the over 50's)
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:I don't agree with this at all. In fact, i said the exact opposite a page or two back. I believe more people voted for him because of race than against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
For every one person that may voted because he was black. There were at least 5 that voted against him because he was black. Which is sad both ways.
Yea I saw those stats. I think McCain won by a landslide with the old foggies of the old South.
quote:I agree with you 100% on this one N8.
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Well this is from my non-indepth research. But once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
Originally posted by Insurance Dude:
quote:i am sure that is not true but that was saposed to be an ignoreant statement.
Originally posted by N8:
lmao...sorry. But Gays do not believe in God?
i do understand that school thing and i totally agree that schools should not teach anything about marraige especially gay amrriage. but isnt that more of a school issue?
i just do not get how denying rights to people is going to protect our children.
quote:lol not in the way we are talking and you know it "smart guy". I love it you are dead wrong about something and then you make new shit up lol. So a white women is now a minority?
Originally posted by N8:
quote:There you go being simple minded. Minorities include women smart guy.
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
quote:I would have to agree with you there. If for every 1 person that voted for him because of race 5 people voted the other way you would have McCain as your new pres. BTW there are not more monorities than whites in this country
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:I don't agree with this at all. In fact, i said the exact opposite a page or two back. I believe more people voted for him because of race than against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
And just to correct 2stangs. There are more white people than blacks that is true. But there are more minorities than whites For every one person that may voted because he was black. There were at least 5 that voted against him because he was black. Which is sad both ways.
There are over 300 million people in the USA only a little over 100 million minorities. The highest group of minorities is Hispanics followed by Blacks. Thats what I like about you N8 you never let facts get in the way of your posts.
quote:You know what I stand corrected, the data I was using was taken out of context by myself. But as far as being a liar, you are being just plain thick. And with you it is really never a debate. It is me informing you for the most part. You are probably by far one of the more ignoramic members we have. But despite all the attempts at verbal jabs I maintain my calm and rarely disrespect folks. And the thing is. Everything I say I can/will say in live talk, that is what makes a debate. Not throwing insults and wild conjecture. But this has gotten so overwhelmed of a conversation that folks are taking the words to heart. At the end of the day, my opinion is mine and yours is yours. But I know one thing. My opinion was with the winning candidate. And yours was with Bush 2x's and the losing candidate. So let's measure those cumulatively.
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
quote:lol not in the way we are talking and you know it "smart guy". I love it you are dead wrong about something and then you make new shit up lol. So a white women is now a minority?
Originally posted by N8:
quote:There you go being simple minded. Minorities include women smart guy.
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
quote:I would have to agree with you there. If for every 1 person that voted for him because of race 5 people voted the other way you would have McCain as your new pres. BTW there are not more monorities than whites in this country
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:I don't agree with this at all. In fact, i said the exact opposite a page or two back. I believe more people voted for him because of race than against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
And just to correct 2stangs. There are more white people than blacks that is true. But there are more minorities than whites For every one person that may voted because he was black. There were at least 5 that voted against him because he was black. Which is sad both ways.
There are over 300 million people in the USA only a little over 100 million minorities. The highest group of minorities is Hispanics followed by Blacks. Thats what I like about you N8 you never let facts get in the way of your posts.
the true N8 is now showing up I can never be wrong and if I am I will change my story.
No were in the USA is a "women" listed as a minority during a election...don't lie prove it. I am debating with a pathological liar great lol...
quote:no no no you got it all wrong, its not spreading wealth....its spreading the poverty.
Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':
I think if Obama royal messes up it could hurt the blacks. I tell you what, if he messes up big it would be a very very long time till another would be elected. I think it would put a sour taste with a lot of people that voted for him and might hurt the next black canidate.
And N8 that is pretty stupid to say "My opinion was with the winning candidate." Cause My opinion was with Bush for two terms/wins, and it will be with another republican canidate in 4 years as well. Just a really lame comment
As far as adapting yeah a smart business owner isn't going to make less money, I know I wouldn't. I would just raise my prices with everyone else and continue to make the same profit margin, simple as that.
How do you feel about "spreading the wealth?"
Do you not see the socialistic veiw in that?
quote:The simple fact is that if anything goes wrong they'll just blame Bush for it. If we pulled out of Iraq too early, didn't finish the job and something bad happens it would be blamed on Bush by saying we shouldn't have been there in the first place. When the economy doesn't make the huge upswing like people expect it to its going to be Bush's fault. Don't get me wrong, I know he didn't do things right but to sit back and blame him for everything wrong in the world is retarded.
Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':
I think if Obama royal messes up it could hurt the blacks. I tell you what, if he messes up big it would be a very very long time till another would be elected. I think it would put a sour taste with a lot of people that voted for him and might hurt the next black canidate.
quote:Its interesting to see that you feel if Obama messes up it will hurt the next black candidate but when a white man has messed up we still vote another one in!! So my point is why does the next black guy have to take the slack of a black guy before him?? It sounds like thats racist ass hell (Not saying you are) But your so correct in what you said but its ashamed it has 2 be like that!! Why do blacks have to be judged on their skin but not by their results?? Bush is white & we all can agree that he messed up but McCain is white & a few of you still voted for him but if Obama messes up then alot of you will not vote for another Black guy for a long time!!!
Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':
I think if Obama royal messes up it could hurt the blacks. I tell you what, if he messes up big it would be a very very long time till another would be elected. I think it would put a sour taste with a lot of people that voted for him and might hurt the next black canidate.
And N8 that is pretty stupid to say "My opinion was with the winning candidate." Cause My opinion was with Bush for two terms/wins, and it will be with another republican canidate in 4 years as well. Just a really lame comment
As far as adapting yeah a smart business owner isn't going to make less money, I know I wouldn't. I would just raise my prices with everyone else and continue to make the same profit margin, simple as that.
How do you feel about "spreading the wealth?"
Do you not see the socialistic veiw in that?
quote:there you go N8 making shit up again.
Originally posted by N8:
quote:You know what I stand corrected, the data I was using was taken out of context by myself. But as far as being a liar, you are being just plain thick. And with you it is really never a debate. It is me informing you for the most part. You are probably by far one of the more ignoramic members we have. But despite all the attempts at verbal jabs I maintain my calm and rarely disrespect folks. And the thing is. Everything I say I can/will say in live talk, that is what makes a debate. Not throwing insults and wild conjecture. But this has gotten so overwhelmed of a conversation that folks are taking the words to heart. At the end of the day, my opinion is mine and yours is yours. But I know one thing. My opinion was with the winning candidate. And yours was with Bush 2x's and the losing candidate. So let's measure those cumulatively.
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
quote:lol not in the way we are talking and you know it "smart guy". I love it you are dead wrong about something and then you make new shit up lol. So a white women is now a minority?
Originally posted by N8:
quote:There you go being simple minded. Minorities include women smart guy.
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
quote:I would have to agree with you there. If for every 1 person that voted for him because of race 5 people voted the other way you would have McCain as your new pres. BTW there are not more monorities than whites in this country
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:I don't agree with this at all. In fact, i said the exact opposite a page or two back. I believe more people voted for him because of race than against him because of race.
Originally posted by N8:
And just to correct 2stangs. There are more white people than blacks that is true. But there are more minorities than whites For every one person that may voted because he was black. There were at least 5 that voted against him because he was black. Which is sad both ways.
There are over 300 million people in the USA only a little over 100 million minorities. The highest group of minorities is Hispanics followed by Blacks. Thats what I like about you N8 you never let facts get in the way of your posts.
the true N8 is now showing up I can never be wrong and if I am I will change my story.
No were in the USA is a "women" listed as a minority during a election...don't lie prove it. I am debating with a pathological liar great lol...
Dont forget you are the same gentleman that said "you dont understand what race has to do with it and why black people are proud". Then turned around and said. "It would be a huge failure for black people". So if they should not be proud he is black. Then why would they share the failure? See I read into words and while this is the internet and things can be taken out of context but.... That seems a very racist sentiment. Don't share in the spoils but share in the pain? Not saying you are that. But just saying how one could take that contradiction ina different light.
Anyway I am done with this topic. I am going to listen to the dozen or so PM's I got advising me not to debate with you guys on this (some thanking me for debating this).
Off to play Gears of War......GeneralfatSacks is the screen name. We can take out our political frustrations there.
you were throwing stuff out there you made up, I called you on it you change your story...quote:I know it wouldn't matter to me, but it would to a lot of people. You are right it would be messed up wether you like obama or not. It is very racist. The thing is Obama being the first black president is setting the standard for the future. Even though I don't think it is right, dem or GOP, he needs to set the bar high for the black community to not look bad. It is a double standard but I just think thats what it probably will be like. I think the same thing would happen if it was a women, mexican or some other minority.
Originally posted by SPIDER_STANG:
quote:Its interesting to see that you feel if Obama messes up it will hurt the next black candidate but when a white man has messed up we still vote another one in!! So my point is why does the next black guy have to take the slack of a black guy before him?? It sounds like thats racist ass hell (Not saying you are) But your so correct in what you said but its ashamed it has 2 be like that!! Why do blacks have to be judged on their skin but not by their results?? Bush is white & we all can agree that he messed up but McCain is white & a few of you still voted for him but if Obama messes up then alot of you will not vote for another Black guy for a long time!!!
Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':
I think if Obama royal messes up it could hurt the blacks. I tell you what, if he messes up big it would be a very very long time till another would be elected. I think it would put a sour taste with a lot of people that voted for him and might hurt the next black canidate.
And N8 that is pretty stupid to say "My opinion was with the winning candidate." Cause My opinion was with Bush for two terms/wins, and it will be with another republican canidate in 4 years as well. Just a really lame comment
As far as adapting yeah a smart business owner isn't going to make less money, I know I wouldn't. I would just raise my prices with everyone else and continue to make the same profit margin, simple as that.
How do you feel about "spreading the wealth?"
Do you not see the socialistic veiw in that?
quote:exactly. and take a look at who's been in control of congress for the last 4 years... It wasn't the republicans
btw I hope you people on here are not ignorant enough to believe that everything that is going on in the USA is George Bushes fault. if you do that is very sad....and you do not understand how politics work. [/QB]
quote:The election had nothing to do with the lower gas prices, its the slipping crude oil prices bringing the fuel price down.
Originally posted by 1991 SSP COUPE 331 TWIN TURBO:
Well I've seen a change in gas prices lol
quote:ok n8, so you want some proof your vote is gunna f@#k us, here you go. your lame attempts to clown people on this thread is getting old, so now i would like to see you come back on the truth!!
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Are you serious....He is not the smartest? Dude do you know his educational pedigree?
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:wtf they want the responsibility of a child, and the unstable mind set of a homosexual come on. Gay people go threw so much crap just being gay, they make them selfs out casts but want to be part of society and have all the perks of a strait family. that s$#t dont fly with me, and kids in grade school are so confused already how are they gunna throw in how its ok to be gay. Rights are one thing over exaggeration is another.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:I agree totally with you N8, who cares what they do. They do have almost all the same rights as a married couple but I think the ability to adopt is effected if they can't get married. Honestly, I know a few people that grew up with a gay parent and their partner, it puts a huge emotional strain from what I've seen. The kids are constantly trying to hide it because they are embarrassed so friends can't come over, they won't share things going on in their life and it takes a huge toll on them. God forbid anyone finding out then they are open to harassment or being physically tortured about it. The parents seem to make it worse because they are "proud" so try and shove it in everyone's faces. They've got hundreds of gay pride stickers..... I've never seen people flaunting the fact they were straight!
Originally posted by N8:
once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
oh and n8 my bad all i saw was that post b4, but no ones tryin to clown. Everything i have said in the past was on point, prove me wrong. Only the first part of that post was directed at you i didnt say you voted for g.b., you know im right about electoral vote that crap is bs.
This election was a scandle from the start, thats why the dumbest rep. ran for office.Lets be real Obama aint the sharpest tool in the shed eather um um um um um well um um well. There where way better candidates for the position, why did they back out? want a clue "scandle".
quote:I would say that makes second best to no one in terms of education.
After graduating high school from Punahou School in Hawaii, Barack Obama attended Occidental College for two years, then got his B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.
Lets compare the other side of the coin.
quote:no mention of magna cum laude or anything prestigious.
Bush, as a child, was not accepted for admission by St. John's School in Houston, Texas, a prestigious private school.[14] Instead, he attended The Kinkaid School, the private school from which St. John's had broken away.[14][15]
Bush attended Phillips Academy, an all-boys private high school in Andover, Massachusetts, where he played baseball and during his senior year was the head cheerleader.[16][17] Following in his father's footsteps, Bush attended Yale University from 1964 to 1968, receiving a Bachelor's degree in history in 1968.[18] As a college senior, Bush became a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society. By his own characterization, he was an average student.[19]
In 1970, Bush applied to but was not accepted into the University of Texas School of Law.[20] Beginning in the Fall of 1973, Bush attended Harvard University, where he earned a MBA.[21]
now lets compare further.
quote:Decorated war hero, not much mention of education. But my point is Obama is very smart, very articulate. Probably as educated as any president we have ever had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
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Yea that's change we need alright!
quote:Dems took control 2 years ago...not 4
Originally posted by NiftyWhiteFifty:
quote:exactly. and take a look at who's been in control of congress for the last 4 years... It wasn't the republicans [/QB]
btw I hope you people on here are not ignorant enough to believe that everything that is going on in the USA is George Bushes fault. if you do that is very sad....and you do not understand how politics work.
quote:Nice copy and paste job from
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:ok n8, so you want some proof your vote is gunna f@#k us, here you go. your lame attempts to clown people on this thread is getting old, so now i would like to see you come back on the truth!!
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Are you serious....He is not the smartest? Dude do you know his educational pedigree?
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:wtf they want the responsibility of a child, and the unstable mind set of a homosexual come on. Gay people go threw so much crap just being gay, they make them selfs out casts but want to be part of society and have all the perks of a strait family. that s$#t dont fly with me, and kids in grade school are so confused already how are they gunna throw in how its ok to be gay. Rights are one thing over exaggeration is another.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:I agree totally with you N8, who cares what they do. They do have almost all the same rights as a married couple but I think the ability to adopt is effected if they can't get married. Honestly, I know a few people that grew up with a gay parent and their partner, it puts a huge emotional strain from what I've seen. The kids are constantly trying to hide it because they are embarrassed so friends can't come over, they won't share things going on in their life and it takes a huge toll on them. God forbid anyone finding out then they are open to harassment or being physically tortured about it. The parents seem to make it worse because they are "proud" so try and shove it in everyone's faces. They've got hundreds of gay pride stickers..... I've never seen people flaunting the fact they were straight!
Originally posted by N8:
once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
oh and n8 my bad all i saw was that post b4, but no ones tryin to clown. Everything i have said in the past was on point, prove me wrong. Only the first part of that post was directed at you i didnt say you voted for g.b., you know im right about electoral vote that crap is bs.
This election was a scandle from the start, thats why the dumbest rep. ran for office.Lets be real Obama aint the sharpest tool in the shed eather um um um um um well um um well. There where way better candidates for the position, why did they back out? want a clue "scandle".
quote:I would say that makes second best to no one in terms of education.
After graduating high school from Punahou School in Hawaii, Barack Obama attended Occidental College for two years, then got his B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.
Lets compare the other side of the coin.
quote:no mention of magna cum laude or anything prestigious.
Bush, as a child, was not accepted for admission by St. John's School in Houston, Texas, a prestigious private school.[14] Instead, he attended The Kinkaid School, the private school from which St. John's had broken away.[14][15]
Bush attended Phillips Academy, an all-boys private high school in Andover, Massachusetts, where he played baseball and during his senior year was the head cheerleader.[16][17] Following in his father's footsteps, Bush attended Yale University from 1964 to 1968, receiving a Bachelor's degree in history in 1968.[18] As a college senior, Bush became a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society. By his own characterization, he was an average student.[19]
In 1970, Bush applied to but was not accepted into the University of Texas School of Law.[20] Beginning in the Fall of 1973, Bush attended Harvard University, where he earned a MBA.[21]
now lets compare further.
quote:Decorated war hero, not much mention of education. But my point is Obama is very smart, very articulate. Probably as educated as any president we have ever had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
A little over one year ago
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember, it is Congress that makes the laws and spends our money - not the President.
He has to work with what's handed to him.
Part 2
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
<a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML</a>
Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 75K - taxed $ 18,750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K - taxed $ 31,250
Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people who fall into the categories above think Bush is hurting them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.
If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people who fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen.
PART 3
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? It is estimated that the Iraq war is approximately 4% of the total federal budget. NOW READ THIS: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Please read on...and check out the sources!!
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://wwwcis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies (other countries have eliminated anchor babies).
Verify at: http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl..com
12. The National Policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
quote:Let me ask you this,
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
/\ /\ /\ You are correct he had controll untill 06. Like it was pointed out prety clearly life was good when he was in control. Since the Democrates took over how has the economy been?
quote:And What did Bush do in the last two years?
Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
compare that to now. How did they do over the last 2 years?
quote:SOURCE Democrats were in charge the last 2 years, or were they?
A lot of the democrats proposals ended up being a republician filabuster. And in some cases, even when it got through, President Bush veto'd the bills and they didn't have the vote to overturn it.
quote:Im so tired of the lame attempts to try and confuse people on this forum. ALSTOCK, i cant change the facts so dont try and change the point of focus (just like a dem.). Im sure since I posted a tone of facts how bush (republicans) has made good and wonderfull changes since the last dem. was in office, youre not going to be able to "copy and paste a bunch of articles with facts on "Bush to blame on economy, Republicans to blame, STATS on Bushs administration failure etc etc". im not going to go on a speel of how you dont know what youre talking about, because youre never going to stop arguing about facts. The real question everyone wants to know is what changes do you want with Obama in office.....wait dont answer yet, scroll back up and read the facts again. ok now show us all how ignorant you can make your self sound
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Nice copy and paste job from
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:ok n8, so you want some proof your vote is gunna f@#k us, here you go. your lame attempts to clown people on this thread is getting old, so now i would like to see you come back on the truth!!
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Are you serious....He is not the smartest? Dude do you know his educational pedigree?
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:wtf they want the responsibility of a child, and the unstable mind set of a homosexual come on. Gay people go threw so much crap just being gay, they make them selfs out casts but want to be part of society and have all the perks of a strait family. that s$#t dont fly with me, and kids in grade school are so confused already how are they gunna throw in how its ok to be gay. Rights are one thing over exaggeration is another.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:I agree totally with you N8, who cares what they do. They do have almost all the same rights as a married couple but I think the ability to adopt is effected if they can't get married. Honestly, I know a few people that grew up with a gay parent and their partner, it puts a huge emotional strain from what I've seen. The kids are constantly trying to hide it because they are embarrassed so friends can't come over, they won't share things going on in their life and it takes a huge toll on them. God forbid anyone finding out then they are open to harassment or being physically tortured about it. The parents seem to make it worse because they are "proud" so try and shove it in everyone's faces. They've got hundreds of gay pride stickers..... I've never seen people flaunting the fact they were straight!
Originally posted by N8:
once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
oh and n8 my bad all i saw was that post b4, but no ones tryin to clown. Everything i have said in the past was on point, prove me wrong. Only the first part of that post was directed at you i didnt say you voted for g.b., you know im right about electoral vote that crap is bs.
This election was a scandle from the start, thats why the dumbest rep. ran for office.Lets be real Obama aint the sharpest tool in the shed eather um um um um um well um um well. There where way better candidates for the position, why did they back out? want a clue "scandle".
quote:I would say that makes second best to no one in terms of education.
After graduating high school from Punahou School in Hawaii, Barack Obama attended Occidental College for two years, then got his B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.
Lets compare the other side of the coin.
quote:no mention of magna cum laude or anything prestigious.
Bush, as a child, was not accepted for admission by St. John's School in Houston, Texas, a prestigious private school.[14] Instead, he attended The Kinkaid School, the private school from which St. John's had broken away.[14][15]
Bush attended Phillips Academy, an all-boys private high school in Andover, Massachusetts, where he played baseball and during his senior year was the head cheerleader.[16][17] Following in his father's footsteps, Bush attended Yale University from 1964 to 1968, receiving a Bachelor's degree in history in 1968.[18] As a college senior, Bush became a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society. By his own characterization, he was an average student.[19]
In 1970, Bush applied to but was not accepted into the University of Texas School of Law.[20] Beginning in the Fall of 1973, Bush attended Harvard University, where he earned a MBA.[21]
now lets compare further.
quote:Decorated war hero, not much mention of education. But my point is Obama is very smart, very articulate. Probably as educated as any president we have ever had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
A little over one year ago
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember, it is Congress that makes the laws and spends our money - not the President.
He has to work with what's handed to him.
Part 2
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
<a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML</a>
Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 75K - taxed $ 18,750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K - taxed $ 31,250
Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people who fall into the categories above think Bush is hurting them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.
If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people who fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen.
PART 3
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? It is estimated that the Iraq war is approximately 4% of the total federal budget. NOW READ THIS: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Please read on...and check out the sources!!
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://wwwcis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies (other countries have eliminated anchor babies).
Verify at: http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl..com
12. The National Policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
http://flermuzzle.blogspot.com/2007/10/tax-dollars-spent-on-illegal-aliens.html
http://www.desertconservative.com/2008/10/07/do-we-really-want-higher-taxes/
Since Democats took over USA went to hell?!
Did you know that the President (Bush) controlled the White House and BOTH Houses of Congress for six of the last 7 and a half years?
Anyone with common sense that has been reading politics or watching CNN for the past 8 years know who brought harm to our economy.
Lets be smart and realise what the Bush Administration has done to the United States and to the WORLD.
Of course, the Democrats have their fair share to blame (Coal, Coastal Drilling, Nuclear Power etc etc) but lets be smart not a retard by saying the Democrats caused everything.
I can go all over the internet and copy and paste a bunch of articles with facts on "Bush to blame on economy, Republicans to blame, STATS on Bushs administration failure" etc etc
Hell, heres one for
Times poll: 75% blame Bush’s policies for deterioriating economy
But overall, the fact real hardcore fact it, everyone is tired of the bush administration running the country, nothing but hell, right after election, the sept 11th and so forth.. List is there...
Americans voted for Obama.. Obama lterally RAPED McCain in the results, thats enough FACT that EVERYONE is tired of the same past 8 years of hell.
Back to you Ron (Fr5.0), you say this election was a scandal, how so? Any links or resource?
But Obama is here, lets see what happens right? I already see guys jumping on Obama about he will do this and do that and going to mess up the USA but dammit, he takes over 1.20.09!! BUSH IS STILL IN CHARGE!!
Overall, let the man do his job and make that CHANGE USA wants and the change he has promised us.
Go Obama!
quote:Israel could protect them selfs from america if it came to that. People are so blind, Israel would devastate Iran. They dont need our help and we dont need the problems from trying to help!
Originally posted by Yaterstang:
For anybody who may have thought Obamers an arab, it probably couldnt be further from the truth. He just hired the biggest jew as his chief of staff. We're probably headed directly into Iran next, Pakistan for sure. I believe Obamer can thank his far left brothers for getting him in there, but i believe we're gonna have to let him show us what he's really about. And so far his first decision is to hire a guy with deep ties to Israel. Maybe he'll give Israel the green light to blast Iran off the map, i think we've waited to long for that. At least North Korea has become to come around, and if Iran's not with the program we should give Israel our support to bomb these idiots.
quote:Fr5.0,
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Im so tired of the lame attempts to try and confuse people on this forum. ALSTOCK, i cant change the facts so dont try and change the point of focus (just like a dem.). Im sure since I posted a tone of facts how bush (republicans) has made good and wonderfull changes since the last dem. was in office, youre not going to be able to "copy and paste a bunch of articles with facts on "Bush to blame on economy, Republicans to blame, STATS on Bushs administration failure etc etc". im not going to go on a speel of how you dont know what youre talking about, because youre never going to stop arguing about facts. The real question everyone wants to know is what changes do you want with Obama in office.....wait dont answer yet, scroll back up and read the facts again. ok now show us all how ignorant you can make your self sound
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Nice copy and paste job from
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:ok n8, so you want some proof your vote is gunna f@#k us, here you go. your lame attempts to clown people on this thread is getting old, so now i would like to see you come back on the truth!!
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Are you serious....He is not the smartest? Dude do you know his educational pedigree?
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:wtf they want the responsibility of a child, and the unstable mind set of a homosexual come on. Gay people go threw so much crap just being gay, they make them selfs out casts but want to be part of society and have all the perks of a strait family. that s$#t dont fly with me, and kids in grade school are so confused already how are they gunna throw in how its ok to be gay. Rights are one thing over exaggeration is another.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:I agree totally with you N8, who cares what they do. They do have almost all the same rights as a married couple but I think the ability to adopt is effected if they can't get married. Honestly, I know a few people that grew up with a gay parent and their partner, it puts a huge emotional strain from what I've seen. The kids are constantly trying to hide it because they are embarrassed so friends can't come over, they won't share things going on in their life and it takes a huge toll on them. God forbid anyone finding out then they are open to harassment or being physically tortured about it. The parents seem to make it worse because they are "proud" so try and shove it in everyone's faces. They've got hundreds of gay pride stickers..... I've never seen people flaunting the fact they were straight!
Originally posted by N8:
once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
oh and n8 my bad all i saw was that post b4, but no ones tryin to clown. Everything i have said in the past was on point, prove me wrong. Only the first part of that post was directed at you i didnt say you voted for g.b., you know im right about electoral vote that crap is bs.
This election was a scandle from the start, thats why the dumbest rep. ran for office.Lets be real Obama aint the sharpest tool in the shed eather um um um um um well um um well. There where way better candidates for the position, why did they back out? want a clue "scandle".
quote:I would say that makes second best to no one in terms of education.
After graduating high school from Punahou School in Hawaii, Barack Obama attended Occidental College for two years, then got his B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.
Lets compare the other side of the coin.
quote:no mention of magna cum laude or anything prestigious.
Bush, as a child, was not accepted for admission by St. John's School in Houston, Texas, a prestigious private school.[14] Instead, he attended The Kinkaid School, the private school from which St. John's had broken away.[14][15]
Bush attended Phillips Academy, an all-boys private high school in Andover, Massachusetts, where he played baseball and during his senior year was the head cheerleader.[16][17] Following in his father's footsteps, Bush attended Yale University from 1964 to 1968, receiving a Bachelor's degree in history in 1968.[18] As a college senior, Bush became a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society. By his own characterization, he was an average student.[19]
In 1970, Bush applied to but was not accepted into the University of Texas School of Law.[20] Beginning in the Fall of 1973, Bush attended Harvard University, where he earned a MBA.[21]
now lets compare further.
quote:Decorated war hero, not much mention of education. But my point is Obama is very smart, very articulate. Probably as educated as any president we have ever had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
A little over one year ago
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember, it is Congress that makes the laws and spends our money - not the President.
He has to work with what's handed to him.
Part 2
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
<a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML</a>
Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 75K - taxed $ 18,750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K - taxed $ 31,250
Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people who fall into the categories above think Bush is hurting them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.
If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people who fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen.
PART 3
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? It is estimated that the Iraq war is approximately 4% of the total federal budget. NOW READ THIS: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Please read on...and check out the sources!!
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://wwwcis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies (other countries have eliminated anchor babies).
Verify at: http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl..com
12. The National Policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
http://flermuzzle.blogspot.com/2007/10/tax-dollars-spent-on-illegal-aliens.html
http://www.desertconservative.com/2008/10/07/do-we-really-want-higher-taxes/
Since Democats took over USA went to hell?!
Did you know that the President (Bush) controlled the White House and BOTH Houses of Congress for six of the last 7 and a half years?
Anyone with common sense that has been reading politics or watching CNN for the past 8 years know who brought harm to our economy.
Lets be smart and realise what the Bush Administration has done to the United States and to the WORLD.
Of course, the Democrats have their fair share to blame (Coal, Coastal Drilling, Nuclear Power etc etc) but lets be smart not a retard by saying the Democrats caused everything.
I can go all over the internet and copy and paste a bunch of articles with facts on "Bush to blame on economy, Republicans to blame, STATS on Bushs administration failure" etc etc
Hell, heres one for
Times poll: 75% blame Bush’s policies for deterioriating economy
But overall, the fact real hardcore fact it, everyone is tired of the bush administration running the country, nothing but hell, right after election, the sept 11th and so forth.. List is there...
Americans voted for Obama.. Obama lterally RAPED McCain in the results, thats enough FACT that EVERYONE is tired of the same past 8 years of hell.
Back to you Ron (Fr5.0), you say this election was a scandal, how so? Any links or resource?
But Obama is here, lets see what happens right? I already see guys jumping on Obama about he will do this and do that and going to mess up the USA but dammit, he takes over 1.20.09!! BUSH IS STILL IN CHARGE!!
Overall, let the man do his job and make that CHANGE USA wants and the change he has promised us.
Go Obama!
quote:i dont think you or anyone else is ever gunna answer the question, so ya you keep trying to Change the point of the focus. The fact that I copy and paste facts and all you have to say is "nice c&p" shows you are trying to Change the point of the focus. Let me try and ask easer questions that you should be able to answer ****what changes do you want Obama to make**** BEFOR YOU ANSWER SCROLL UP AND REREAD THE FACTS.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Fr5.0,
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Im so tired of the lame attempts to try and confuse people on this forum. ALSTOCK, i cant change the facts so dont try and change the point of focus (just like a dem.). Im sure since I posted a tone of facts how bush (republicans) has made good and wonderfull changes since the last dem. was in office, youre not going to be able to "copy and paste a bunch of articles with facts on "Bush to blame on economy, Republicans to blame, STATS on Bushs administration failure etc etc". im not going to go on a speel of how you dont know what youre talking about, because youre never going to stop arguing about facts. The real question everyone wants to know is what changes do you want with Obama in office.....wait dont answer yet, scroll back up and read the facts again. ok now show us all how ignorant you can make your self sound
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Nice copy and paste job from
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:ok n8, so you want some proof your vote is gunna f@#k us, here you go. your lame attempts to clown people on this thread is getting old, so now i would like to see you come back on the truth!!
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Are you serious....He is not the smartest? Dude do you know his educational pedigree?
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:wtf they want the responsibility of a child, and the unstable mind set of a homosexual come on. Gay people go threw so much crap just being gay, they make them selfs out casts but want to be part of society and have all the perks of a strait family. that s$#t dont fly with me, and kids in grade school are so confused already how are they gunna throw in how its ok to be gay. Rights are one thing over exaggeration is another.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:I agree totally with you N8, who cares what they do. They do have almost all the same rights as a married couple but I think the ability to adopt is effected if they can't get married. Honestly, I know a few people that grew up with a gay parent and their partner, it puts a huge emotional strain from what I've seen. The kids are constantly trying to hide it because they are embarrassed so friends can't come over, they won't share things going on in their life and it takes a huge toll on them. God forbid anyone finding out then they are open to harassment or being physically tortured about it. The parents seem to make it worse because they are "proud" so try and shove it in everyone's faces. They've got hundreds of gay pride stickers..... I've never seen people flaunting the fact they were straight!
Originally posted by N8:
once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
oh and n8 my bad all i saw was that post b4, but no ones tryin to clown. Everything i have said in the past was on point, prove me wrong. Only the first part of that post was directed at you i didnt say you voted for g.b., you know im right about electoral vote that crap is bs.
This election was a scandle from the start, thats why the dumbest rep. ran for office.Lets be real Obama aint the sharpest tool in the shed eather um um um um um well um um well. There where way better candidates for the position, why did they back out? want a clue "scandle".
quote:I would say that makes second best to no one in terms of education.
After graduating high school from Punahou School in Hawaii, Barack Obama attended Occidental College for two years, then got his B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.
Lets compare the other side of the coin.
quote:no mention of magna cum laude or anything prestigious.
Bush, as a child, was not accepted for admission by St. John's School in Houston, Texas, a prestigious private school.[14] Instead, he attended The Kinkaid School, the private school from which St. John's had broken away.[14][15]
Bush attended Phillips Academy, an all-boys private high school in Andover, Massachusetts, where he played baseball and during his senior year was the head cheerleader.[16][17] Following in his father's footsteps, Bush attended Yale University from 1964 to 1968, receiving a Bachelor's degree in history in 1968.[18] As a college senior, Bush became a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society. By his own characterization, he was an average student.[19]
In 1970, Bush applied to but was not accepted into the University of Texas School of Law.[20] Beginning in the Fall of 1973, Bush attended Harvard University, where he earned a MBA.[21]
now lets compare further.
quote:Decorated war hero, not much mention of education. But my point is Obama is very smart, very articulate. Probably as educated as any president we have ever had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
A little over one year ago
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember, it is Congress that makes the laws and spends our money - not the President.
He has to work with what's handed to him.
Part 2
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
<a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML</a>
Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 75K - taxed $ 18,750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K - taxed $ 31,250
Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people who fall into the categories above think Bush is hurting them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.
If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people who fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen.
PART 3
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? It is estimated that the Iraq war is approximately 4% of the total federal budget. NOW READ THIS: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Please read on...and check out the sources!!
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://wwwcis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies (other countries have eliminated anchor babies).
Verify at: http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl..com
12. The National Policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
http://flermuzzle.blogspot.com/2007/10/tax-dollars-spent-on-illegal-aliens.html
http://www.desertconservative.com/2008/10/07/do-we-really-want-higher-taxes/
Since Democats took over USA went to hell?!
Did you know that the President (Bush) controlled the White House and BOTH Houses of Congress for six of the last 7 and a half years?
Anyone with common sense that has been reading politics or watching CNN for the past 8 years know who brought harm to our economy.
Lets be smart and realise what the Bush Administration has done to the United States and to the WORLD.
Of course, the Democrats have their fair share to blame (Coal, Coastal Drilling, Nuclear Power etc etc) but lets be smart not a retard by saying the Democrats caused everything.
I can go all over the internet and copy and paste a bunch of articles with facts on "Bush to blame on economy, Republicans to blame, STATS on Bushs administration failure" etc etc
Hell, heres one for
Times poll: 75% blame Bush’s policies for deterioriating economy
But overall, the fact real hardcore fact it, everyone is tired of the bush administration running the country, nothing but hell, right after election, the sept 11th and so forth.. List is there...
Americans voted for Obama.. Obama lterally RAPED McCain in the results, thats enough FACT that EVERYONE is tired of the same past 8 years of hell.
Back to you Ron (Fr5.0), you say this election was a scandal, how so? Any links or resource?
But Obama is here, lets see what happens right? I already see guys jumping on Obama about he will do this and do that and going to mess up the USA but dammit, he takes over 1.20.09!! BUSH IS STILL IN CHARGE!!
Overall, let the man do his job and make that CHANGE USA wants and the change he has promised us.
Go Obama!
Change the point of the focus?
The point of this thread was Obama correct? You FIRST posted on this thread saying "this election is a scandal" with NO FACTS whatsoever, same as just talking out your ass. You haven't pointed out your facts or where you're sources reside.
2nd, then you stated that Obama QUOTE "isn't the charpest tool in the shed", N8 gave you PLENTY of sources of Obama's background, MUCH higher then McCains educational background. How is he NOT the sharpest tool when clearly he took the votes like no other in history.
Then your post with those links, ok cool, those are stats on the past years of our economy, you may want to look at my replies also with those stats on who was REALLY running the show.
But we will see what changes come in the near future.. Im sure millions are waiting, im sure Cafords will be around till then, then we can argue all Sunday long on what changes came and what didnt.
quote:http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:i dont think you or anyone else is ever gunna answer the question, so ya you keep trying to Change the point of the focus. The fact that I copy and paste facts and all you have to say is "nice c&p" shows you are trying to Change the point of the focus. Let me try and ask easer questions that you should be able to answer ****what changes do you want Obama to make**** BEFOR YOU ANSWER SCROLL UP AND REREAD THE FACTS.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Fr5.0,
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Im so tired of the lame attempts to try and confuse people on this forum. ALSTOCK, i cant change the facts so dont try and change the point of focus (just like a dem.). Im sure since I posted a tone of facts how bush (republicans) has made good and wonderfull changes since the last dem. was in office, youre not going to be able to "copy and paste a bunch of articles with facts on "Bush to blame on economy, Republicans to blame, STATS on Bushs administration failure etc etc". im not going to go on a speel of how you dont know what youre talking about, because youre never going to stop arguing about facts. The real question everyone wants to know is what changes do you want with Obama in office.....wait dont answer yet, scroll back up and read the facts again. ok now show us all how ignorant you can make your self sound
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Nice copy and paste job from
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:ok n8, so you want some proof your vote is gunna f@#k us, here you go. your lame attempts to clown people on this thread is getting old, so now i would like to see you come back on the truth!!
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Are you serious....He is not the smartest? Dude do you know his educational pedigree?
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:wtf they want the responsibility of a child, and the unstable mind set of a homosexual come on. Gay people go threw so much crap just being gay, they make them selfs out casts but want to be part of society and have all the perks of a strait family. that s$#t dont fly with me, and kids in grade school are so confused already how are they gunna throw in how its ok to be gay. Rights are one thing over exaggeration is another.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:I agree totally with you N8, who cares what they do. They do have almost all the same rights as a married couple but I think the ability to adopt is effected if they can't get married. Honestly, I know a few people that grew up with a gay parent and their partner, it puts a huge emotional strain from what I've seen. The kids are constantly trying to hide it because they are embarrassed so friends can't come over, they won't share things going on in their life and it takes a huge toll on them. God forbid anyone finding out then they are open to harassment or being physically tortured about it. The parents seem to make it worse because they are "proud" so try and shove it in everyone's faces. They've got hundreds of gay pride stickers..... I've never seen people flaunting the fact they were straight!
Originally posted by N8:
once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
oh and n8 my bad all i saw was that post b4, but no ones tryin to clown. Everything i have said in the past was on point, prove me wrong. Only the first part of that post was directed at you i didnt say you voted for g.b., you know im right about electoral vote that crap is bs.
This election was a scandle from the start, thats why the dumbest rep. ran for office.Lets be real Obama aint the sharpest tool in the shed eather um um um um um well um um well. There where way better candidates for the position, why did they back out? want a clue "scandle".
quote:I would say that makes second best to no one in terms of education.
After graduating high school from Punahou School in Hawaii, Barack Obama attended Occidental College for two years, then got his B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.
Lets compare the other side of the coin.
quote:no mention of magna cum laude or anything prestigious.
Bush, as a child, was not accepted for admission by St. John's School in Houston, Texas, a prestigious private school.[14] Instead, he attended The Kinkaid School, the private school from which St. John's had broken away.[14][15]
Bush attended Phillips Academy, an all-boys private high school in Andover, Massachusetts, where he played baseball and during his senior year was the head cheerleader.[16][17] Following in his father's footsteps, Bush attended Yale University from 1964 to 1968, receiving a Bachelor's degree in history in 1968.[18] As a college senior, Bush became a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society. By his own characterization, he was an average student.[19]
In 1970, Bush applied to but was not accepted into the University of Texas School of Law.[20] Beginning in the Fall of 1973, Bush attended Harvard University, where he earned a MBA.[21]
now lets compare further.
quote:Decorated war hero, not much mention of education. But my point is Obama is very smart, very articulate. Probably as educated as any president we have ever had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
A little over one year ago
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember, it is Congress that makes the laws and spends our money - not the President.
He has to work with what's handed to him.
Part 2
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
<a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML</a>
Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 75K - taxed $ 18,750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K - taxed $ 31,250
Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people who fall into the categories above think Bush is hurting them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.
If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people who fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen.
PART 3
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? It is estimated that the Iraq war is approximately 4% of the total federal budget. NOW READ THIS: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Please read on...and check out the sources!!
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://wwwcis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies (other countries have eliminated anchor babies).
Verify at: http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl..com
12. The National Policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
http://flermuzzle.blogspot.com/2007/10/tax-dollars-spent-on-illegal-aliens.html
http://www.desertconservative.com/2008/10/07/do-we-really-want-higher-taxes/
Since Democats took over USA went to hell?!
Did you know that the President (Bush) controlled the White House and BOTH Houses of Congress for six of the last 7 and a half years?
Anyone with common sense that has been reading politics or watching CNN for the past 8 years know who brought harm to our economy.
Lets be smart and realise what the Bush Administration has done to the United States and to the WORLD.
Of course, the Democrats have their fair share to blame (Coal, Coastal Drilling, Nuclear Power etc etc) but lets be smart not a retard by saying the Democrats caused everything.
I can go all over the internet and copy and paste a bunch of articles with facts on "Bush to blame on economy, Republicans to blame, STATS on Bushs administration failure" etc etc
Hell, heres one for
Times poll: 75% blame Bush’s policies for deterioriating economy
But overall, the fact real hardcore fact it, everyone is tired of the bush administration running the country, nothing but hell, right after election, the sept 11th and so forth.. List is there...
Americans voted for Obama.. Obama lterally RAPED McCain in the results, thats enough FACT that EVERYONE is tired of the same past 8 years of hell.
Back to you Ron (Fr5.0), you say this election was a scandal, how so? Any links or resource?
But Obama is here, lets see what happens right? I already see guys jumping on Obama about he will do this and do that and going to mess up the USA but dammit, he takes over 1.20.09!! BUSH IS STILL IN CHARGE!!
Overall, let the man do his job and make that CHANGE USA wants and the change he has promised us.
Go Obama!
Change the point of the focus?
The point of this thread was Obama correct? You FIRST posted on this thread saying "this election is a scandal" with NO FACTS whatsoever, same as just talking out your ass. You haven't pointed out your facts or where you're sources reside.
2nd, then you stated that Obama QUOTE "isn't the charpest tool in the shed", N8 gave you PLENTY of sources of Obama's background, MUCH higher then McCains educational background. How is he NOT the sharpest tool when clearly he took the votes like no other in history.
Then your post with those links, ok cool, those are stats on the past years of our economy, you may want to look at my replies also with those stats on who was REALLY running the show.
But we will see what changes come in the near future.. Im sure millions are waiting, im sure Cafords will be around till then, then we can argue all Sunday long on what changes came and what didnt.
Thats a very easy questin, wait i just asked that one and you couldnt answer. CAN SOMEONE HELP HIM!!!! dont forget to scroll up befor you answer!!
quote:You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? It is estimated that the Iraq war is approximately 4% of the total federal budget.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:i dont think you or anyone else is ever gunna answer the question, so ya you keep trying to Change the point of the focus. The fact that I copy and paste facts and all you have to say is "nice c&p" shows you are trying to Change the point of the focus. Let me try and ask easer questions that you should be able to answer ****what changes do you want Obama to make**** BEFOR YOU ANSWER SCROLL UP AND REREAD THE FACTS.
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Fr5.0,
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:Im so tired of the lame attempts to try and confuse people on this forum. ALSTOCK, i cant change the facts so dont try and change the point of focus (just like a dem.). Im sure since I posted a tone of facts how bush (republicans) has made good and wonderfull changes since the last dem. was in office, youre not going to be able to "copy and paste a bunch of articles with facts on "Bush to blame on economy, Republicans to blame, STATS on Bushs administration failure etc etc". im not going to go on a speel of how you dont know what youre talking about, because youre never going to stop arguing about facts. The real question everyone wants to know is what changes do you want with Obama in office.....wait dont answer yet, scroll back up and read the facts again. ok now show us all how ignorant you can make your self sound
Originally posted by AL STOCK:
quote:Nice copy and paste job from
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:ok n8, so you want some proof your vote is gunna f@#k us, here you go. your lame attempts to clown people on this thread is getting old, so now i would like to see you come back on the truth!!
Originally posted by N8:
quote:Are you serious....He is not the smartest? Dude do you know his educational pedigree?
Originally posted by fr5.0:
quote:wtf they want the responsibility of a child, and the unstable mind set of a homosexual come on. Gay people go threw so much crap just being gay, they make them selfs out casts but want to be part of society and have all the perks of a strait family. that s$#t dont fly with me, and kids in grade school are so confused already how are they gunna throw in how its ok to be gay. Rights are one thing over exaggeration is another.
Originally posted by asskickn88:
quote:I agree totally with you N8, who cares what they do. They do have almost all the same rights as a married couple but I think the ability to adopt is effected if they can't get married. Honestly, I know a few people that grew up with a gay parent and their partner, it puts a huge emotional strain from what I've seen. The kids are constantly trying to hide it because they are embarrassed so friends can't come over, they won't share things going on in their life and it takes a huge toll on them. God forbid anyone finding out then they are open to harassment or being physically tortured about it. The parents seem to make it worse because they are "proud" so try and shove it in everyone's faces. They've got hundreds of gay pride stickers..... I've never seen people flaunting the fact they were straight!
Originally posted by N8:
once it is accepted onto the state constitution, it is fair game to be included in books and curriculum. Now I agree it is no means of protection as they will hear about it from other places. But for it to be possibly taught as part of a curriculum is a bit extreme to me. Other than that I really do not care what they do. And outside of a marriage license what else do they gain? They already can be classified as life partners and be eligible for benefits right? Or did I hear wrong on that?
oh and n8 my bad all i saw was that post b4, but no ones tryin to clown. Everything i have said in the past was on point, prove me wrong. Only the first part of that post was directed at you i didnt say you voted for g.b., you know im right about electoral vote that crap is bs.
This election was a scandle from the start, thats why the dumbest rep. ran for office.Lets be real Obama aint the sharpest tool in the shed eather um um um um um well um um well. There where way better candidates for the position, why did they back out? want a clue "scandle".
quote:I would say that makes second best to no one in terms of education.
After graduating high school from Punahou School in Hawaii, Barack Obama attended Occidental College for two years, then got his B.A. from Columbia University. He later got his law degree from Harvard Law School (where he became the Harvard Law Review's first black president), graduating magna cum laude. Obama was also a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.
Lets compare the other side of the coin.
quote:no mention of magna cum laude or anything prestigious.
Bush, as a child, was not accepted for admission by St. John's School in Houston, Texas, a prestigious private school.[14] Instead, he attended The Kinkaid School, the private school from which St. John's had broken away.[14][15]
Bush attended Phillips Academy, an all-boys private high school in Andover, Massachusetts, where he played baseball and during his senior year was the head cheerleader.[16][17] Following in his father's footsteps, Bush attended Yale University from 1964 to 1968, receiving a Bachelor's degree in history in 1968.[18] As a college senior, Bush became a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society. By his own characterization, he was an average student.[19]
In 1970, Bush applied to but was not accepted into the University of Texas School of Law.[20] Beginning in the Fall of 1973, Bush attended Harvard University, where he earned a MBA.[21]
now lets compare further.
quote:Decorated war hero, not much mention of education. But my point is Obama is very smart, very articulate. Probably as educated as any president we have ever had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
A little over one year ago
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember, it is Congress that makes the laws and spends our money - not the President.
He has to work with what's handed to him.
Part 2
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
<a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML</a>
Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 75K - taxed $ 18,750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K - taxed $ 31,250
Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people who fall into the categories above think Bush is hurting them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.
If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people who fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen.
PART 3
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? It is estimated that the Iraq war is approximately 4% of the total federal budget. NOW READ THIS: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Please read on...and check out the sources!!
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://wwwcis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies (other countries have eliminated anchor babies).
Verify at: http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl..com
12. The National Policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
http://flermuzzle.blogspot.com/2007/10/tax-dollars-spent-on-illegal-aliens.html
http://www.desertconservative.com/2008/10/07/do-we-really-want-higher-taxes/
Since Democats took over USA went to hell?!
Did you know that the President (Bush) controlled the White House and BOTH Houses of Congress for six of the last 7 and a half years?
Anyone with common sense that has been reading politics or watching CNN for the past 8 years know who brought harm to our economy.
Lets be smart and realise what the Bush Administration has done to the United States and to the WORLD.
Of course, the Democrats have their fair share to blame (Coal, Coastal Drilling, Nuclear Power etc etc) but lets be smart not a retard by saying the Democrats caused everything.
I can go all over the internet and copy and paste a bunch of articles with facts on "Bush to blame on economy, Republicans to blame, STATS on Bushs administration failure" etc etc
Hell, heres one for
Times poll: 75% blame Bush’s policies for deterioriating economy
But overall, the fact real hardcore fact it, everyone is tired of the bush administration running the country, nothing but hell, right after election, the sept 11th and so forth.. List is there...
Americans voted for Obama.. Obama lterally RAPED McCain in the results, thats enough FACT that EVERYONE is tired of the same past 8 years of hell.
Back to you Ron (Fr5.0), you say this election was a scandal, how so? Any links or resource?
But Obama is here, lets see what happens right? I already see guys jumping on Obama about he will do this and do that and going to mess up the USA but dammit, he takes over 1.20.09!! BUSH IS STILL IN CHARGE!!
Overall, let the man do his job and make that CHANGE USA wants and the change he has promised us.
Go Obama!
Change the point of the focus?
The point of this thread was Obama correct? You FIRST posted on this thread saying "this election is a scandal" with NO FACTS whatsoever, same as just talking out your ass. You haven't pointed out your facts or where you're sources reside.
2nd, then you stated that Obama QUOTE "isn't the charpest tool in the shed", N8 gave you PLENTY of sources of Obama's background, MUCH higher then McCains educational background. How is he NOT the sharpest tool when clearly he took the votes like no other in history.
Then your post with those links, ok cool, those are stats on the past years of our economy, you may want to look at my replies also with those stats on who was REALLY running the show.
But we will see what changes come in the near future.. Im sure millions are waiting, im sure Cafords will be around till then, then we can argue all Sunday long on what changes came and what didnt.
Thats a very easy questin, wait i just asked that one and you couldnt answer. CAN SOMEONE HELP HIM!!!! dont forget to scroll up befor you answer!!
Those changes ^ - Im not going to go deep into what changes i want, but reading some of my recent posts are directed towards the Middle East (War On Iraq), Scamming a$$ Bush admin bullsh!tting on WMD's, pull the truth out! Our Troops, other countries then our own homeland.. Economy (jobs, housing, health care) but the list would go on.