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Posted by NOTCHBACKFIDDY (Member # 8504) on :
 
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tough one to call
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
lesnar by ruthless ground n pound 1st round.
 
Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :
 
Lesnar defenitely has the ability to throw a good strike, but it's been proven he isn't a as well rounded when it comes to the submission/ground attack,like when he fought frank muir, lets keep in mind it's called Mixed martial arts not boxing. my .02.
 
Posted by 89bluenotch (Member # 7454) on :
 
i think its a toss up...but would like lesnar to win
 
Posted by NOTCHBACKFIDDY (Member # 8504) on :
 
very very tough one to call...

i dont think couture could knock out or submit lesnar....

but i definately think lesnar can knock couture the f*ck out

he was hands were hella fast in his last two fightsm did you see his first punch he threw against heath herring!? BAM! he was done the rest of the fight

then again it's randy couture he's won fights in ways unimaginable...i really think his experience in the octagon is enough to beat Lesnar's big overpowering/controlling ass

not to mention they both come from strong wrestling backgrounds

i think this fight might go to a decision

i hope Couture wins cause that would be re-COCK-u-lous if Lesnar won and it was only his 3rd fight in the UFC
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
Pretty sure Couture will win. He may be old but He has alway's stayed in shape and has taken out WAY tougher competition.
 
Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on :
 
Brock Lesnar beating Randy Couture,LOL!
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by NOTCHBACKFIDDY (Member # 8504) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SmokinLX:
Pretty sure Couture will win. He may be old but He has alway's stayed in shape and has taken out WAY tougher competition.
w0rd son
 
Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :
 
Had he not caught herring with that monsterous first punch, I think that fight woulda been completely different. But that's what's gonna make this guy's name in this sport.
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
its easy to say couture just based on his track record but u gotta consider the guy is coming back from a long layoff and hes not getting any younger. granted he's beaten some pretty tough guys in sylvia, gonzaga recently lesnar is no slouch and when u compare each of their strengths lesnar can be a nice underdog bet.
even though lesnar lacks experience and is prone to submission he makes up for it in speed, power and wrestling ability...randy is not know for his submission offense either and the last submission i could remember was awhile back with that anaconda.
i do hope randy wins as this will set him up with some future super fights and potentially the dream fight w/ fedor, which he'll probably end up losing but shit, the guy is a legend still.
 
Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 50DADDY:
Brock Lesnar beating Randy Couture,LOL!
[Roll Eyes]
thats what i was thinking, Lesner doesn't have a prayer.
 
Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
its easy to say couture just based on his track record but u gotta consider the guy is coming back from a long layoff and hes not getting any younger. granted he's beaten some pretty tough guys in sylvia, gonzaga recently lesnar is no slouch and when u compare each of their strengths lesnar can be a nice underdog bet.
even though lesnar lacks experience and is prone to submission he makes up for it in speed, power and wrestling ability...randy is not know for his submission offense either and the last submission i could remember was awhile back with that anaconda.
i do hope randy wins as this will set him up with some future super fights and potentially the dream fight w/ fedor, which he'll probably end up losing but shit, the guy is a legend still.
you talking about the same randy that came of a year lay off/retirement to kick the shit out syliva? is it me or what 2-1 record now gets you a title fight wtf? [Eek!] . i think brock has some skills and will do great in mma. but wtf this is bullshit. it's a big fuck you to every heavywieght out there! [patriot]
 
Posted by FordManDan (Member # 432) on :
 
Randy has great chance at winning this fight. While Lesnar has a lot of potential and might be a HW champ in the next couple of years, Randy has this fight won UNLESS he gets caught with a brutal punch.

Regardless, this is a WIN WIN for the UFC and FANS. Randy and Brock are the ones that have something to loose.

-dan
 
Posted by NOTCHBACKFIDDY (Member # 8504) on :
 
definately a win win situation.

Keep in mind big nog won the title when he fought tim sylvia.

so when big nog and Mir fight, the winner of that match will end up fighting the winner of Brock and lesnar fight

but yeah screw this heavyweight shit. How bought that Penn and GSP rematch? Fuck yeah go Penn!
 
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by warhorse58gt:
quote:
Originally posted by venomous99:
its easy to say couture just based on his track record but u gotta consider the guy is coming back from a long layoff and hes not getting any younger. granted he's beaten some pretty tough guys in sylvia, gonzaga recently lesnar is no slouch and when u compare each of their strengths lesnar can be a nice underdog bet.
even though lesnar lacks experience and is prone to submission he makes up for it in speed, power and wrestling ability...randy is not know for his submission offense either and the last submission i could remember was awhile back with that anaconda.
i do hope randy wins as this will set him up with some future super fights and potentially the dream fight w/ fedor, which he'll probably end up losing but shit, the guy is a legend still.
you talking about the same randy that came of a year lay off/retirement to kick the shit out syliva? is it me or what 2-1 record now gets you a title fight wtf? [Eek!] . i think brock has some skills and will do great in mma. but wtf this is bullshit. it's a big fuck you to every heavywieght out there! [patriot]
yes this is typical of the ufc just like how bj penn can jump weight classes and get big fights. its not whos the best but bottom line what fights will sell really.
 
Posted by stangin' (Member # 514) on :
 
it's a white kimbo [Eek!] . ufc is just as bad as the other network. it's a circus [Roll Eyes] . quality fight??? give me a break.
 
Posted by N8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
I am just curious. I know this is about Lesnar, but it seems you guys give him more respect and credit than Kimbo. Just wondering why? Both are new and relatively untested. Yet people bash Kimbo and the same folks put Brock on a pedestal. I dont know a lot about the sport besides these 2 names. I am just curious.
 
Posted by 89point. (Member # 6078) on :
 
i like kimbo but they bash him cause he got his name from street fights that were played on youtube and then people bash brock cause he was in wwe.. i think he gets a little less hate though cause he was a great college wrestler.. now for the fight brock has a good chance of winning just on pure size.. yea coture beat both gonzoga and silvia at heavyweight but both of them suck..but the thing coture does have is experience and being smaller he usually comes in with a great game plan like he did against silvia..
all in all it doesnt matter cause nog will beat all of them mir doesnt deserve a title shot in anyway and if coture loses to brock then the coture fedor hype will be a whole lot less and dana white will have missed out on the biggest payday of all time.. just like the chuck and wanderlei silva fight could have been way better if they were both still on top
 
Posted by svfreerider87 (Member # 5748) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
I am just curious. I know this is about Lesnar, but it seems you guys give him more respect and credit than Kimbo. Just wondering why? Both are new and relatively untested. Yet people bash Kimbo and the same folks put Brock on a pedestal. I dont know a lot about the sport besides these 2 names. I am just curious.
kimbo is just some big brawler off the street, lesnar is an accomplished athlete, not only was he a collegiate wrestler, but he was a champion collegiate wrestler, as well as his professional "wrestling" career, not much under his belt but he's sure as hell a bit more of a somebody than kimbo.
 
Posted by Chris C. (Member # 1949) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
I am just curious. I know this is about Lesnar, but it seems you guys give him more respect and credit than Kimbo. Just wondering why? Both are new and relatively untested. Yet people bash Kimbo and the same folks put Brock on a pedestal. I dont know a lot about the sport besides these 2 names. I am just curious.
I compare it along the lines that all the opponets Kimbo has faced are all pretty much no name or washed up fighters that are beyond their prime (tank abbott and shamrock for example), where as Lensar in the UFC pretty much had to hit the ground running facing guys that are still currently fighting and have good exp in mma.

It seems like Kimbo is being treated like a boxing star in the sense that he is put in matches that he SHOULD win to build the hype etc etc.... vs a match that can go either way like Brocks fights.
 
Posted by CobramanPhil (Member # 2170) on :
 
I'd like to see a Kimbo versus Lesnar fight. That would take either of them out of the "suspect skills" category. A Couture/Lesnar fight would be bad for Lesnar. If he wins people will say "luck" and it would be from a lucky punch. If he loses then people say he got beat by an old guy (even though Couture is probably still one of the best out there). It would be a basically lose-lose situation. Lesnar still needs to build up his rep and pick better fights for now (imho). A better fight would be Gonzaga versus Lesnar fight, but it will still be extremely dangerous for Lesnar (a kick from Gonzaga would put him out and hurt him mentally for future fights).
 
Posted by 00NIGHTMARE (Member # 1010) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CobramanPhil:
I'd like to see a Kimbo versus Lesnar fight. That would take either of them out of the "suspect skills" category. A Couture/Lesnar fight would be bad for Lesnar. If he wins people will say "luck" and it would be from a lucky punch. If he loses then people say he got beat by an old guy (even though Couture is probably still one of the best out there). It would be a basically lose-lose situation. Lesnar still needs to build up his rep and pick better fights for now (imho). A better fight would be Gonzaga versus Lesnar fight, but it will still be extremely dangerous for Lesnar (a kick from Gonzaga would put him out and hurt him mentally for future fights).
I'd still like to see Cain Velasquez vs Gonzaga. Cain is looking like a beast. I think Randy is gonna have a tough time in this fight against Lesnar though, as much as I hate to say it. Lesnars biggest problems are gonna be against guys who are good off thier back, like Mir obviously, and Nog and Werdum.

[ September 03, 2008, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: 00NIGHTMARE ]
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
I am just curious. I know this is about Lesnar, but it seems you guys give him more respect and credit than Kimbo. Just wondering why? Both are new and relatively untested. Yet people bash Kimbo and the same folks put Brock on a pedestal. I dont know a lot about the sport besides these 2 names. I am just curious.
You know N8, I'm a Kimbo supporter, but for the average viewer, if they saw Brock get famous by fighting "Lil Mac" and "The Bouncer" at the shipyards in Miami on youtube, I can see how they would be just as skeptical of him as they are of Kimbo, lol.
 
Posted by 91 5.0 5speed (Member # 1867) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CobramanPhil:
I'd like to see a Kimbo versus Lesnar fight. That would take either of them out of the "suspect skills" category. A Couture/Lesnar fight would be bad for Lesnar. If he wins people will say "luck" and it would be from a lucky punch. If he loses then people say he got beat by an old guy (even though Couture is probably still one of the best out there). It would be a basically lose-lose situation. Lesnar still needs to build up his rep and pick better fights for now (imho). A better fight would be Gonzaga versus Lesnar fight, but it will still be extremely dangerous for Lesnar (a kick from Gonzaga would put him out and hurt him mentally for future fights).
Lesnar would literally beat the shit out of Kimbo with EASE!
 
Posted by 532Fastback (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
I am just curious. I know this is about Lesnar, but it seems you guys give him more respect and credit than Kimbo. Just wondering why? Both are new and relatively untested. Yet people bash Kimbo and the same folks put Brock on a pedestal. I dont know a lot about the sport besides these 2 names. I am just curious.
they both suck in my book.
 
Posted by Jmir018 (Member # 1414) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
I am just curious. I know this is about Lesnar, but it seems you guys give him more respect and credit than Kimbo. Just wondering why? Both are new and relatively untested. Yet people bash Kimbo and the same folks put Brock on a pedestal. I dont know a lot about the sport besides these 2 names. I am just curious.
they both suck in my book.
define what u mean by "suck" ?
They are far from bums.. of course they are nowhere near top in their weight class, but you cannot, in good faith, say they "suck".

This will be a bigger test for Randy than people anticipate.
Randy's strenghns: Wrestling background, Ground and pound, respectable cardio.
Lacks : ko power, well versed in submissions but he's no jiu jitsu master, not from his back which is where he'll end up, he is also coming back after taking a year off.

Lesner pros: wrestling, fucking strong guy, size in mma does matter. i'm sure he's got ko power.
cons: little ground game,just lack of experience really.

I love Randy, but i really don't think he's anything super special. he just comes up with great fight plans for every opponent. Hopefully, this will not be the exception.


However, i believe Lesner is better at wrestling than randy in addition to being significantly stronger. The greco clinch that Randy loves so much will not work against Lesner. I'm sure his being out for such a long time will have repercussion in his cardio and level of comfort in the cage.

Like i said, i love randy, but this was not an adequate come back match. i can't count him out because of his still enduring athletic abilities, but i believe lesner is too strong and too "good" for people to look pass him.

I heard people say, well Randy took out Silvia, who's bigger than lesner, so he should have no problem.
Please..Silvia "sucks". you could never compare silvia and lesner. His punches are slower than a snail and lacks the explosiveness and quick reaction that lesner has.

guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Hope Randy can put lesner on his back and just keep him there for 5 mins.
But it lesner mounts or has sidecontrol, it will be the same showing as with Keith.

[ September 04, 2008, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: Jmir018 ]
 
Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 532Fastback:
quote:
Originally posted by N8:
I am just curious. I know this is about Lesnar, but it seems you guys give him more respect and credit than Kimbo. Just wondering why? Both are new and relatively untested. Yet people bash Kimbo and the same folks put Brock on a pedestal. I dont know a lot about the sport besides these 2 names. I am just curious.
they both suck in my book.
Word!
 
Posted by NOTCHBACKFIDDY (Member # 8504) on :
 
come to think of it. a Lesnar vs Kimbo fight would be the shit

although i do think Lesnar would win that fight because Kimbo is...let's face it, one dimensional

oh and Kimbo gets no love because Elite XC sucks =P
 
Posted by 95GTConvtACE (Member # 6399) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SmokinLX:
Pretty sure Couture will win. He may be old but He has alway's stayed in shape and has taken out WAY tougher competition.
I have never seen Lesnar fight, but Couture has take people a lot bigger and a lot younger than him and he comes out with a win.
 




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