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Posted by n8y8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
Was having drinks with my friend that is Sac PD. And if you havent heard they are going to be looking for modded cars over the next 4-5 days in the Sac/Roseville area. Mostly motorcycle cops but all will be enforcing this street race crack down so to speak. Things they are looking for is: Cars with huge Tachs, A pillar gauges, Cowl Hoods, Hood Pins, Loud Exhaust, Engine Revving, Erratic Lane changes.....Bunch of stuff. So just becareful and make sure your L's are not shady.
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
Well i am a huge target then with my 4 inch Cobra R hood [Frown] I don't drive crazy though i just cruise at 70ish.
 
Posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX' (Member # 895) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Well i am a huge target then with my 4 inch Cobra R hood [Frown] I don't drive crazy though i just cruise at 70ish.
I don't have the cowl hood but I do have the Tach and Pillar Pods. I try not to drive my car when the sun goes down or even a Friday or Saturday evening. Plus it is too hot to drive it. I live in Rocklin and they are sticklers on everything. My Girlfriend has gotten two tickets for the windows being tinted and no front license plate in the Benz.
 
Posted by slidewayz94 (Member # 3101) on :
 
I get pulled over almost weekly by roseville P.D. for no front plate and tinted from windows.
 
Posted by silverLX (Member # 3207) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by slidewayz94:
I get pulled over almost weekly by roseville P.D. for no front plate and tinted from windows.
Do you get a ticket? A couple friends of mine have been getting these [BS flag] tickets. They are non correctable though, so does that mean you have to fix it [Confused]
 
Posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs (Member # 5790) on :
 
In the midst of all of these crackdowns...

They still need probably cause to search your car, remember that. With these supposed "crackdowns" carry a tape recorder with you, and have the officer establish PC on a tape recorder, and 99% of the time they will let you go.

They can't not just pull you over for a tinted window or front plate, and all of a sudden search under your hood.

Always question his probably cause to search your car, we have rights we should practice them.

[ June 23, 2006, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: Tha91SiCkNeSs ]
 
Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by silverLX:
quote:
Originally posted by slidewayz94:
I get pulled over almost weekly by roseville P.D. for no front plate and tinted from windows.
Do you get a ticket? A couple friends of mine have been getting these [BS flag] tickets. They are non correctable though, so does that mean you have to fix it [Confused]
If you get a ticket for tinted winows, front plate, etc you have to correct the problem and then get it signed off by an officer or at the police station.

If you get a ticket for illegally modified engine/smog violation then I think you actuall have to go to a ref for a "smog inspection". This is a lot more serious.

This whole "crackdown" thing seems to be a re-ocurring theme.

Sounds like it is time to go back to driving sleepers [Wink]
 
Posted by bottled02GT?? (Member # 1772) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs:
In the midst of all of these crackdowns...

They still need probably cause to search your car, remember that. With these supposed "crackdowns" carry a tape recorder with you, and have the officer establish PC on a tape recorder, and 99% of the time they will let you go.

They can't not just pull you over for a tinted window or front plate, and all of a sudden search under your hood.

Always question his probably cause to search your car, we have rights we should practice them.
problem is, that when people actually due refuse the cops use the [BS flag] tactic of "well since u wont open your hood i can have your car towed/impounded and you arrested." Happen to a friend of mine, and myself as well except i know the law (ones i need) and chewed him out false threats, trying to bully a suspect verbally and threaten to report him to his superiors.... needless to say i was let go, but its BS how cops try and bully people into gettin what they want.
 
Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
My cousin was driving my 04 Honda Civic and he got pulled over because of the sticker i had on the quarter window.. He searched the whole car, popped the hood etc There were almost 7 police vehicles there at the scene... At the end the cop says "you dont have any modifications". He then let him go...

So watch out, even stickers will cause you to get pulled over.. They are targeting EVERY CAR THAT LOOKS MODDED, EVEN IF IT HAS A "K&N" sticker
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX':
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
Well i am a huge target then with my 4 inch Cobra R hood [Frown] I don't drive crazy though i just cruise at 70ish.
I don't have the cowl hood but I do have the Tach and Pillar Pods. I try not to drive my car when the sun goes down or even a Friday or Saturday evening. Plus it is too hot to drive it. I live in Rocklin and they are sticklers on everything. My Girlfriend has gotten two tickets for the windows being tinted and no front license plate in the Benz.
Here in GV Cops won't even look at me with my tinted windows and huge hood. i think thats how it should be, only if i am breaking the law should they pull me over.
 
Posted by sharkattack (Member # 645) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs:
In the midst of all of these crackdowns...

They still need probably cause to search your car, remember that. With these supposed "crackdowns" carry a tape recorder with you, and have the officer establish PC on a tape recorder, and 99% of the time they will let you go.

They can't not just pull you over for a tinted window or front plate, and all of a sudden search under your hood.

Always question his probably cause to search your car, we have rights we should practice them.
Oh yes they can, you should study up on the Ca Vehicle Code.
 
Posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs (Member # 5790) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bottled02GT??:
quote:
Originally posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs:
In the midst of all of these crackdowns...

They still need probably cause to search your car, remember that. With these supposed "crackdowns" carry a tape recorder with you, and have the officer establish PC on a tape recorder, and 99% of the time they will let you go.

They can't not just pull you over for a tinted window or front plate, and all of a sudden search under your hood.

Always question his probably cause to search your car, we have rights we should practice them.
problem is, that when people actually due refuse the cops use the [BS flag] tactic of "well since u wont open your hood i can have your car towed/impounded and you arrested." Happen to a friend of mine, and myself as well except i know the law (ones i need) and chewed him out false threats, trying to bully a suspect verbally and threaten to report him to his superiors.... needless to say i was let go, but its BS how cops try and bully people into gettin what they want.
YES, those BS quotes are EXACTLY what they do. That is the EXACT reason why you carry the taperecorder. There is no reason why they cannot let you tape record. If they don't, or if they say they are going to impound, its time to ask for his superior.

Frankly, I am tired of the BS that cops pull on kids, especially on Sunrise. Now, if the kid was street racing, and driving recklessly, I don't care if the office didn't have probably cause, you deserved it. Its the people who aren't in violation of the law who get pulled over because they have stickers, etc. THAT PISSES ME OFF!

Like I said, we do have rights, a traffic stop in my 03 Cobra is no different than a traffic stop in an 03 Tahoe. Period.
 
Posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs (Member # 5790) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sharkattack:
quote:
Originally posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs:
In the midst of all of these crackdowns...

They still need probably cause to search your car, remember that. With these supposed "crackdowns" carry a tape recorder with you, and have the officer establish PC on a tape recorder, and 99% of the time they will let you go.

They can't not just pull you over for a tinted window or front plate, and all of a sudden search under your hood.

Always question his probably cause to search your car, we have rights we should practice them.
Oh yes they can, you should study up on the Ca Vehicle Code.
When a good attorney, such as mine, gets a hold of it, its going to get thrown out. Its still an illegal search and seizure. These aren't my words, the words of the former DA.

Let me expand however. THEY CAN STILL SEARCH YOUR VEHICLE.

You are correct in a regard. Its called a Safety Search. The officer at ANY time can decide to do a safety search to find ANYTHING on the vehicle that is of course, unsafe, or a violation of a smog law.

This safety search HAS TO BE COMPLETED IN FULL. If they fail to not complete it, it would then be an illegal search and seizure. This included, tail lights, horn tests, blinker tests, tire pressure, tread depth..etc. If the officer finds your vehicle out of compliance at that point, then YES, you are guilty of illegal modification.

An officer cannot simply just say he is doing a safety search and then ONLY look under the hood. Once again, its a violation of our rights.

[ June 23, 2006, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Tha91SiCkNeSs ]
 
Posted by 166 Merlot (Member # 1549) on :
 
i like this thread. but i "heard" that if the officer pulls you over and you refuse to let him search, that is probable cause rigght ther. so instead of refusing what do you do? ask him for what his probablecause is?
 
Posted by baggins (Member # 3957) on :
 
i recently got pulled over in my fox body which prior to getting pulled over the hood flew up and therefore i had to drive my CAR AROUND WITH NO HOOD. SO ANYWAYS I AM DRIVING TO WORK AT 745 IN THE MORNING THROUGH FOLSOM AND ALL THE SUDDEN I GET LIT UP BY AN FOLSOM PD F 250. HE WALKS UP TO ME and looks at the engine for about 5 seconds AND SAYS " HAVE U EVER BEEN CITED FOR AN EMMISION VIOLATION.' I TOLD HIM NO AND HE SAID WELL TODAY I WILL BE GIVING U ONE FOR YOUR ADJ. FPR. AND I WAS STUNED THAT HE USED THAT REASON FOR pulling me over so he proceeded to give me a ref ticket for no smog device. i am confused as to what i should do because it is true i dont have my smog pump hooked up but it is still on the car. i have carb stickers for evrything that is carb legal. but i even have an open air filter and bbk cai and he said nothing about this... any ideas
 
Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by baggins:
i recently got pulled over in my fox body which prior to getting pulled over the hood flew up and therefore i had to drive my CAR AROUND WITH NO HOOD. SO ANYWAYS I AM DRIVING TO WORK AT 745 IN THE MORNING THROUGH FOLSOM AND ALL THE SUDDEN I GET LIT UP BY AN FOLSOM PD F 250. HE WALKS UP TO ME and looks at the engine for about 5 seconds AND SAYS " HAVE U EVER BEEN CITED FOR AN EMMISION VIOLATION.' I TOLD HIM NO AND HE SAID WELL TODAY I WILL BE GIVING U ONE FOR YOUR ADJ. FPR. AND I WAS STUNED THAT HE USED THAT REASON FOR pulling me over so he proceeded to give me a ref ticket for no smog device. i am confused as to what i should do because it is true i dont have my smog pump hooked up but it is still on the car. i have carb stickers for evrything that is carb legal. but i even have an open air filter and bbk cai and he said nothing about this... any ideas
If you have to go the the ref they will probably check everything so even if cop didn't site you for something the ref will probably check the other shit.

The safest thing to do is put your car back to a smog legal state. I dunno what to tell you about the APFR. I know that the Kirban regulators look pretty close to stock so you might be able to get away with one of those.

Good luck [patriot]
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by baggins:
i recently got pulled over in my fox body which prior to getting pulled over the hood flew up and therefore i had to drive my CAR AROUND WITH NO HOOD. SO ANYWAYS I AM DRIVING TO WORK AT 745 IN THE MORNING THROUGH FOLSOM AND ALL THE SUDDEN I GET LIT UP BY AN FOLSOM PD F 250. HE WALKS UP TO ME and looks at the engine for about 5 seconds AND SAYS " HAVE U EVER BEEN CITED FOR AN EMMISION VIOLATION.' I TOLD HIM NO AND HE SAID WELL TODAY I WILL BE GIVING U ONE FOR YOUR ADJ. FPR. AND I WAS STUNED THAT HE USED THAT REASON FOR pulling me over so he proceeded to give me a ref ticket for no smog device. i am confused as to what i should do because it is true i dont have my smog pump hooked up but it is still on the car. i have carb stickers for evrything that is carb legal. but i even have an open air filter and bbk cai and he said nothing about this... any ideas
That sounds like the cop just threw a name out there and he didn't know what he was looking at under your hood.
Do you have a carb number for your BBK CAI?
 
Posted by n8y8 (Member # 6048) on :
 
Well it seems if it is really going down. Over the last 2 days I have noticed many presumed race cars pulled over. Couple integras and one of the subaru things and a WS6. Been rolling the Jag so I am flying below radar. No fords yet tho [patriot]
 
Posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs (Member # 5790) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 166 Merlot:
i like this thread. but i "heard" that if the officer pulls you over and you refuse to let him search, that is probable cause rigght ther. so instead of refusing what do you do? ask him for what his probablecause is?
Thats definately not probable cause. A few things that have to be understood.

A Cop can pull you over FOR ANY REASON. Its all based on judgement. However, everything he DOES in the traffic stop has to HOLD UP IN COURT. That is the key.

So, an officer can claim he pulled you over for loud exhaust. That is DEFINATELY probable cause that your exhaust system is modified. It is not however, probable cause to start flinging a flashlight all up in the car, he can't search under the hood, and can't go into your glovebox, etc. The exhaust decibel level has nothing to do with illegal modifications under the hood, i.e. Fuel-Press Reg, No Smog Pump, etc. It does not have anything to do with what you have in your glovebox..get the point?

This is why it is IMPORTANT that you carry a little tape recorder around. For example, an officer pulls you over for speeding, and wants to look under your hood, uh-huh, ain't happening. Just talk to him (while recording) about what his probable cause is to search, note the time of day, why he pulled you over, etc. The more he talks about his "probable cause" the larger the hole he is digging. If he forces you to look under the hood, ask for his superior. HE CANNOT decline to be recorded. The peace officer can be recorded at ANY time. Make sure to be polite and understanding, but you HAVE TO HOLD TO YOUR RIGHTS.

All this will hold up in court. GUARENDAMNTEE it gets thrown out.

I'm definately not supporting to modify illegally and race on the streets, but if you are a law abiding citizen, NO ONE deserves to be hassled for no reason.
 
Posted by 95GTConvtACE (Member # 6399) on :
 
Anybody got a good tape recorder for sale?
 
Posted by modular (Member # 6599) on :
 
I have learned they do what they want... They are a publicaly supported "gang" Yes we need them but they also need to realize they arent above the law. If you got pulled over and a cop decided to punch you in the face and take your money realisticaly what are you gonna do? NOTHING! They do what they want because WE allow it. Money buys you rights without it youre fucked. [Eek!]
 
Posted by FivePointSlow (Member # 4565) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
quote:
Originally posted by baggins:
i recently got pulled over in my fox body which prior to getting pulled over the hood flew up and therefore i had to drive my CAR AROUND WITH NO HOOD. SO ANYWAYS I AM DRIVING TO WORK AT 745 IN THE MORNING THROUGH FOLSOM AND ALL THE SUDDEN I GET LIT UP BY AN FOLSOM PD F 250. HE WALKS UP TO ME and looks at the engine for about 5 seconds AND SAYS " HAVE U EVER BEEN CITED FOR AN EMMISION VIOLATION.' I TOLD HIM NO AND HE SAID WELL TODAY I WILL BE GIVING U ONE FOR YOUR ADJ. FPR. AND I WAS STUNED THAT HE USED THAT REASON FOR pulling me over so he proceeded to give me a ref ticket for no smog device. i am confused as to what i should do because it is true i dont have my smog pump hooked up but it is still on the car. i have carb stickers for evrything that is carb legal. but i even have an open air filter and bbk cai and he said nothing about this... any ideas
That sounds like the cop just threw a name out there and he didn't know what he was looking at under your hood.
Do you have a carb number for your BBK CAI?
Actually it sounds like he has a decent working knowledge of smog regulations, since the AFPR is not smog legal, yet the CAI + filter are.
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FivePointSlow:
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
quote:
Originally posted by baggins:
i recently got pulled over in my fox body which prior to getting pulled over the hood flew up and therefore i had to drive my CAR AROUND WITH NO HOOD. SO ANYWAYS I AM DRIVING TO WORK AT 745 IN THE MORNING THROUGH FOLSOM AND ALL THE SUDDEN I GET LIT UP BY AN FOLSOM PD F 250. HE WALKS UP TO ME and looks at the engine for about 5 seconds AND SAYS " HAVE U EVER BEEN CITED FOR AN EMMISION VIOLATION.' I TOLD HIM NO AND HE SAID WELL TODAY I WILL BE GIVING U ONE FOR YOUR ADJ. FPR. AND I WAS STUNED THAT HE USED THAT REASON FOR pulling me over so he proceeded to give me a ref ticket for no smog device. i am confused as to what i should do because it is true i dont have my smog pump hooked up but it is still on the car. i have carb stickers for evrything that is carb legal. but i even have an open air filter and bbk cai and he said nothing about this... any ideas
That sounds like the cop just threw a name out there and he didn't know what he was looking at under your hood.
Do you have a carb number for your BBK CAI?
Actually it sounds like he has a decent working knowledge of smog regulations, since the AFPR is not smog legal, yet the CAI + filter are.
BBK CAI isn't smog legal in CA. Atleast mine isn't.
 
Posted by FivePointSlow (Member # 4565) on :
 
Who told you it was illegal? re-locating the air filter is not a smog issue IIRC
 
Posted by NavidR (Member # 3164) on :
 
This shit is old in sac they have always been looking for modded cars but no matter what, people are going to mod their cars and race. Tickets are just tickets, you pay the fine and thats it...........
 
Posted by Juiced-03 (Member # 2245) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by NavidR:
This shit is old in sac they have always been looking for modded cars but no matter what, people are going to mod their cars and race. Tickets are just tickets, you pay the fine and thats it...........
haha I remember you would get screwed by the cops every weekend Navid. I remember you flirting with a female officer in the mcdonalds parking lot one night trying to get out of an exhaust ticket...I think it might have worked lol
 
Posted by eljefe (Member # 1753) on :
 
ya my big issue is the 'i pulled you over because of your loud exhaust, i have suspect that you may have illegal mods under your hood, do you mind if i take a look' that makes it seem like he has probable cause and tricks you into opening the hood. but unless he states that he is performing a 'safety inspection' then he can't pop your hood. cat back exhausts are 100% legal if they stay under the sound level check performed by a state smog ref. so if you get pulled over and they cop says i pulled you over for your exhaust, makes it seem like he has probable cause to look under your hood without stating that he is performing a 'safty inspection' then you don't have to pop the hood.
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FivePointSlow:
Who told you it was illegal? re-locating the air filter is not a smog issue IIRC
the fact i can't get a carb number for it makes it illegal.
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
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[ June 27, 2006, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: Cobra5.0Jeep ]
 
Posted by FivePointSlow (Member # 4565) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Cobra5.0Jeep:
quote:
Originally posted by FivePointSlow:
Who told you it was illegal? re-locating the air filter is not a smog issue IIRC
the fact i can't get a carb number for it makes it illegal.
Wrong
 
Posted by eljefe (Member # 1753) on :
 
fivepointslow can you explain why it isnt illegal?
 
Posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs (Member # 5790) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by eljefe:
ya my big issue is the 'i pulled you over because of your loud exhaust, i have suspect that you may have illegal mods under your hood, do you mind if i take a look' that makes it seem like he has probable cause and tricks you into opening the hood. but unless he states that he is performing a 'safety inspection' then he can't pop your hood. cat back exhausts are 100% legal if they stay under the sound level check performed by a state smog ref. so if you get pulled over and they cop says i pulled you over for your exhaust, makes it seem like he has probable cause to look under your hood without stating that he is performing a 'safty inspection' then you don't have to pop the hood.
Haha..thats funny you quote the officer like that. Thats how most of the "nicer" cops get you to pop their hood. Its kind of like a cheesy pickup line. All you have to do is decline the inspection, POLITELY, and ask, "Sir, what does my exhaust note have to do with illegal modifications under the hood?" Make sure you get everything on tape. If he pushes further to get you to pop the hood, ask for the superior.

But definately a little scam to get you to pop the hood. Once he asks and you oblige, you just waived the probable cause.
 
Posted by 98LaserGT (Member # 5023) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs:
quote:
Originally posted by eljefe:
ya my big issue is the 'i pulled you over because of your loud exhaust, i have suspect that you may have illegal mods under your hood, do you mind if i take a look' that makes it seem like he has probable cause and tricks you into opening the hood. but unless he states that he is performing a 'safety inspection' then he can't pop your hood. cat back exhausts are 100% legal if they stay under the sound level check performed by a state smog ref. so if you get pulled over and they cop says i pulled you over for your exhaust, makes it seem like he has probable cause to look under your hood without stating that he is performing a 'safty inspection' then you don't have to pop the hood.
Haha..thats funny you quote the officer like that. Thats how most of the "nicer" cops get you to pop their hood. Its kind of like a cheesy pickup line. All you have to do is decline the inspection, POLITELY, and ask, "Sir, what does my exhaust note have to do with illegal modifications under the hood?" Make sure you get everything on tape. If he pushes further to get you to pop the hood, ask for the superior.

But definately a little scam to get you to pop the hood. Once he asks and you oblige, you just waived the probable cause.
That makes sense.. A CHP pulled me over for no front plate/bald DR's and was lookin at my car and told me he didn't want to ruin my shiney paint, so he'll let me go ahead and pop the hood. He never said a word about exhaust, modifications, or anything he just said that line. I agreed ... my motor looks stock >=]
 
Posted by Wolfie351 (Member # 651) on :
 
Having a tape recorder, video camera, etc is NOT going to prevent you being sent to a smog ref if a cop suspects you have illegal modifications. Even if you have ALL your CARB numbers in hand, a police officer can still send you to a referee. You'll say "but my car is 100% legal" Then the cop will say "then you'll have no problem passing" There is no hearing, there is no court date where you can plead your case. If you are given a citation, only then do you have recourse

Having a loud exhuast (even if it's stock) is probable cause to make you pop your hood. It sucks, but it's true. San Mateo County is doing roadside checkpoints now for this very purpose. Do you think they are pulling over minivans? nope Is it random? nope They are targeting cars with aftermarket parts such as body kits, wheels or loud exhaust. Personally, I feel this is a rights violation, but as long as people are street racing, public opinion will NOT be on your side.

Larry Elison, who is the freakin' richest man in the bay area, got busted for illegal modifications on his car. If his lawyers couldn't get him out of it...

ps. 9 out of 10 smog techs will fail a BBK CAI. Wether it's legal or not, that's just how it is
 
Posted by 1Sicgt (Member # 714) on :
 
You are not required carb e.o. numbers on anything from the TB forward anymore. It USED to be rquired to have carb e.o. numbers on cai's. That law was changed.
 
Posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs (Member # 5790) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
Having a tape recorder, video camera, etc is NOT going to prevent you being sent to a smog ref if a cop suspects you have illegal modifications. Even if you have ALL your CARB numbers in hand, a police officer can still send you to a referee. You'll say "but my car is 100% legal" Then the cop will say "then you'll have no problem passing" There is no hearing, there is no court date where you can plead your case. If you are given a citation, only then do you have recourse

Having a loud exhuast (even if it's stock) is probable cause to make you pop your hood. It sucks, but it's true. San Mateo County is doing roadside checkpoints now for this very purpose. Do you think they are pulling over minivans? nope Is it random? nope They are targeting cars with aftermarket parts such as body kits, wheels or loud exhaust. Personally, I feel this is a rights violation, but as long as people are street racing, public opinion will NOT be on your side.

Larry Elison, who is the freakin' richest man in the bay area, got busted for illegal modifications on his car. If his lawyers couldn't get him out of it...

ps. 9 out of 10 smog techs will fail a BBK CAI. Wether it's legal or not, that's just how it is
He can definately send you to a referee, but not without checking under the hood. The key is probable cause and the act of profiling.

1st thing, Larry Elison, if this was in fact true, we don't know the details of it. He could have in fact got busted for illegal mods, but if he agreed to have his vehicle searched, then that eliminates it right there. Can't get it thrown out because once again, the legal issue begins to form around probable cause and profiling.

Like I said before, maybe I was a little misleading in my point, but an officer can pull you over for anything. He can claim in fact that the stickers on your window are probable cause. He has any right to ask you about your vehicle. As a driver in CA, you WAIVE certain rights that pertain to you as an individual. Driving is a privledge. However, illegal search and seizure is NOT one of them.

The key is that everything he does in that stop has to hold in the courtroom. When the attorney displays factors of the traffic stop that attribute to a profiled stop, it gets thrown out.

For instance, Officer pulls you over and claims to do a "Safety Inspection."
Court proceeding would look like this:

"How many safety inspections has this officer done in the past few years?" -I can guarentee he hasn't done ANY, its the guys that drive the dodge ram CHP cars or the guys at the truck scales doing inspections.
"What time did you do this inspection? 12 AM?" "This inspection was done on a 2003 Cobra with 15000 miles? What appeared to be visibly non-safe about the vehicle? How can the exhaust note deem this vehicle non-safe?"
-The legal points form here.

ONCE AGAIN, this is why you carry a tape recorder do note all of these things!!

Before Citrus Heights became incorporated, the worst police force was folsom. Complete dicks hassling kids all the time. This statement is 100% factual, not opinionated. I know most of you think Roseville is bad, but when you get on the inside, perspective changes understanding.

Citrus Heights is the WORST. They will respond to a street racing incident before a robbery. I understand, C.H. has Sunrise Blvd that is a harbour for all of this, but they tend to lose focus. Kids need to stand for their rights if they are in a position to do so. You do not need to be hassled if you haven't done anything wrong.
 
Posted by z pyro (Member # 3745) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs:
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:
Having a tape recorder, video camera, etc is NOT going to prevent you being sent to a smog ref if a cop suspects you have illegal modifications. Even if you have ALL your CARB numbers in hand, a police officer can still send you to a referee. You'll say "but my car is 100% legal" Then the cop will say "then you'll have no problem passing" There is no hearing, there is no court date where you can plead your case. If you are given a citation, only then do you have recourse

Having a loud exhuast (even if it's stock) is probable cause to make you pop your hood. It sucks, but it's true. San Mateo County is doing roadside checkpoints now for this very purpose. Do you think they are pulling over minivans? nope Is it random? nope They are targeting cars with aftermarket parts such as body kits, wheels or loud exhaust. Personally, I feel this is a rights violation, but as long as people are street racing, public opinion will NOT be on your side.

Larry Elison, who is the freakin' richest man in the bay area, got busted for illegal modifications on his car. If his lawyers couldn't get him out of it...

ps. 9 out of 10 smog techs will fail a BBK CAI. Wether it's legal or not, that's just how it is
He can definately send you to a referee, but not without checking under the hood. The key is probable cause and the act of profiling.

1st thing, Larry Elison, if this was in fact true, we don't know the details of it. He could have in fact got busted for illegal mods, but if he agreed to have his vehicle searched, then that eliminates it right there. Can't get it thrown out because once again, the legal issue begins to form around probable cause and profiling.

Like I said before, maybe I was a little misleading in my point, but an officer can pull you over for anything. He can claim in fact that the stickers on your window are probable cause. He has any right to ask you about your vehicle. As a driver in CA, you WAIVE certain rights that pertain to you as an individual. Driving is a privledge. However, illegal search and seizure is NOT one of them.

The key is that everything he does in that stop has to hold in the courtroom. When the attorney displays factors of the traffic stop that attribute to a profiled stop, it gets thrown out.

For instance, Officer pulls you over and claims to do a "Safety Inspection."
Court proceeding would look like this:

"How many safety inspections has this officer done in the past few years?" -I can guarentee he hasn't done ANY, its the guys that drive the dodge ram CHP cars or the guys at the truck scales doing inspections.
"What time did you do this inspection? 12 AM?" "This inspection was done on a 2003 Cobra with 15000 miles? What appeared to be visibly non-safe about the vehicle? How can the exhaust note deem this vehicle non-safe?"
-The legal points form here.

ONCE AGAIN, this is why you carry a tape recorder do note all of these things!!

Before Citrus Heights became incorporated, the worst police force was folsom. Complete dicks hassling kids all the time. This statement is 100% factual, not opinionated. I know most of you think Roseville is bad, but when you get on the inside, perspective changes understanding.

Citrus Heights is the WORST. They will respond to a street racing incident before a robbery. I understand, C.H. has Sunrise Blvd that is a harbour for all of this, but they tend to lose focus. Kids need to stand for their rights if they are in a position to do so. You do not need to be hassled if you haven't done anything wrong.
I think it was in Fresno that they decided bodykits, fart cans, huge tachs etc. were probable cause to look for illegal engine/exhause mods because of the fact that damn near every car with those body kits etc. have illegal mods. I also remember a police training video from somewhere else explaining what kinds of cars to inspect, how to inspect them etc.

and just monday i noticed CH has put up signs like those in Folsom, the "Traffic laws strictly enforced" ones. Sucks cuz I deliver pizzas in CH. But ok since I drive normally most of the time and a lot of CHPD come eat pizza at my store [Big Grin]
 
Posted by BUKSING (Member # 6594) on :
 
suprised those pigs arent eating doughnuts [Big Grin] ..lol.
 
Posted by Curt (Member # 6254) on :
 
GOD!

I have never gotten shit for mods but I did get it for no plate lots of times in Rocklin.

Roseville and Citrus Heights left me alone

I put the plate back because there is a guy with my full name, who is 5'11 with black hair and blue eyes, and the SAME BIRTH YEAR! who is on probation in Madea for burglary, so Rocklin guy was all pissed like why didn't you tell me you were on parole? and I was like im not and he was pretty much an ass until another guy got there and was like its the wrong DOB, that sucked!

My buddy works for Roseville and he said that they are looking for imports mostly
 
Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on :
 
This is a f**king withchhunt!Our rights are being trampled.Just because we have modded cars doesnt mean we are street racing,nor does it mean we are criminals,were just car guys and girls.This is just like racial profiling,we need to band together and fight back.Lets say a mexican(or whatever,dont be offended,just an example) guy robbed a liquor store.This shit is like the police stopping every mexican dude they see and making him prove he doesnt rob liquor stores.What a bunch of [BS flag] .How are we gonna fight this?
Ive been told we should all write ,email,or call our local congressman.
So come on,lets all do it and try to preserve our rights. [patriot]

[ June 29, 2006, 06:10 PM: Message edited by: 50DADDY ]
 
Posted by svt306snake (Member # 1967) on :
 
i pop my hood for no one and there is no cop that can make me and those that know me and cops know that i will not if i was not caught racing you have very little chance of messing with me so i will continue to build stangs with tachs , hoods and every guage you can think of i hate that all this is going on but i will not take the heat for these silly imports your best view if you are a cop will be on your back on the ground looking up into the lower half of my car but not from under the hood the easy way these new stupid laws suck big time [Mad]
 
Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on :
 
Heres a link to a local Sacramento congresswomans email,cmon,write her about our plight,but be professional and polite.If were gonna stop this shit were gonna have to do it theyre way.
http://matsui.house.gov/

[ June 29, 2006, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: 50DADDY ]
 
Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on :
 
TTT,keep this one on top.
 
Posted by eljefe (Member # 1753) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:

Having a loud exhuast (even if it's stock) is probable cause to make you pop your hood.
no it's not because it is in no way illegal to have a cat back exhaust that meets the dB limits. so the officers probable cause would be something that is 100% legal, you think thats gonna hold up in court?

quote:
Originally posted by Wolfie351:

It sucks, but it's true. San Mateo County is doing roadside checkpoints now for this very purpose. Do you think they are pulling over minivans? nope Is it random? nope They are targeting cars with aftermarket parts such as body kits, wheels or loud exhaust. Personally, I feel this is a rights violation, but as long as people are street racing, public opinion will NOT be on your side.
ever heard of profiling? all black people are in gangs, all asians steal, all mexicans are illegals? so all 'modified' cars have illegal mods under the hood. again that won't stand up in court if you don't waive any of your rights during the stop
 
Posted by Curt (Member # 6254) on :
 
any law that is in the intrest of "safety" will not be repeled(sp) we have come to take our rights for granted and to just give them away to anybody offering safety.

As Benjamin Franklin said: "Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for saftey deserve neither freedom nor safety"

[patriot] ol skool 1776 style!
 
Posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs (Member # 5790) on :
 
[/qb][/QUOTE]I think it was in Fresno that they decided bodykits, fart cans, huge tachs etc. were probable cause to look for illegal engine/exhause mods because of the fact that damn near every car with those body kits etc. have illegal mods. I also remember a police training video from somewhere else explaining what kinds of cars to inspect, how to inspect them etc.

and just monday i noticed CH has put up signs like those in Folsom, the "Traffic laws strictly enforced" ones. Sucks cuz I deliver pizzas in CH. But ok since I drive normally most of the time and a lot of CHPD come eat pizza at my store [Big Grin] [/QB][/QUOTE]

A cop can pull you over for whatever reason he wants to. He can CLAIM body kits, etc. are probable cause.

It still has to hold up in court! Definately NOT going to happen. Most of the reason why they are profiling is to send a message about streetracing. Sending a message is fine, but doing is illegally is not.

Once again, if you haven't done anything wrong, if you don't have a warrant out, or aren't on probabtion, etc. Don't pop your hood!
 
Posted by Cobra5.0Jeep (Member # 1482) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Curt:
GOD!

I have never gotten shit for mods but I did get it for no plate lots of times in Rocklin.

Roseville and Citrus Heights left me alone

I put the plate back because there is a guy with my full name, who is 5'11 with black hair and blue eyes, and the SAME BIRTH YEAR! who is on probation in Madea for burglary, so Rocklin guy was all pissed like why didn't you tell me you were on parole? and I was like im not and he was pretty much an ass until another guy got there and was like its the wrong DOB, that sucked!

My buddy works for Roseville and he said that they are looking for imports mostly
That does suck. Did the cop apoligize to you once he realized he made a mistake?
 
Posted by Curt (Member # 6254) on :
 
sorta, he didn't say sorry for the mistake and being an ass but before he thought I was a parolee and then after he found out I was telling the truth he was nice, I was like "dude you hella freaked me out!" and he just said "haha sorry bout that, it happens alot"
 
Posted by 50DADDY (Member # 3076) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Curt:
any law that is in the intrest of "safety" will not be repeled(sp) we have come to take our rights for granted and to just give them away to anybody offering safety.

As Benjamin Franklin said: "Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for saftey deserve neither freedom nor safety"

[patriot] ol skool 1776 style!
[dance] [dance] [dance] [Whoo Whooooo!]
 
Posted by lostsoul (Member # 5797) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tha91SiCkNeSs:
Once again, if you haven't done anything wrong, if you don't have a warrant out, or aren't on probabtion, etc. Don't pop your hood! [/QB][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the great info! Its funny how they can focus on good drivers of all types instead of illegas or gangs in the worse neighborehoods. ITs much easier to squeez money from good people then poor people. When the police are more into making money then upholding real laws then they become a business.. not really here to serve and protect anymore.. sad.

I got an exhaust ticket years ago and I did fight it. I had another cop go out to the car and had me rev the sheet out of it.. she laughed at me and said that not bad at all and wrote it off. I had to blow a day of work to go to court.. the first day was were you just say innocent or guilty. and thats it.. if you fight it you have to go to court AGAIN!.. so I go again missing ANOTHER day of work. I have the write off and proof the exhaust was smog leage and noise legal.. All that BS and the prick never showed up!. So of couse I won that case.. but look at the cost.. and can soemone tell me what punishment the cop recieved for doing all this? Not a Fing thing. We need to hold cop's acountable. I have met nice ones, but somethign needs to be done to those that wate our time. They make tickets knowing 80%-90% will not have the time to spend going to court. What can we do to those cops. Can making a formal complain really do anything to them? Why cant that cop lose 2 days of his work since he lost the case?

[ July 05, 2006, 01:27 AM: Message edited by: lostsoul ]
 




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