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Please register your vintage hotrod vehicles in the gray counties listed on this map http://smogcheck.ca.gov/pdf/Program_Map.pdf Avoid orange ones. The gray counties only require smog when you change ownership. The government has no justification to restrict Sunday cruisers.

The less timing you run, the lower your hydrocarbon and NOx numbers will be. Just under 20 degrees timing total will pass the sniffer on most cars.

[ 2016-10-20, 01:47 AM: Message edited by: Martinna ]

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Or you could put smog legal parts on your car and enjoy the fresh air.

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quote:
Originally posted by 50 Deep:
Or you could put smog legal parts on your car and enjoy the fresh air.

That all sounds great but its not reality about breathing "fresh" air; its about money, nothing less. They'd like you to think that though.

So in all these smog free counties, apparently they don't care about people breathing in polluted air? I thought each and every person makes a difference and counts? How could they possibly not care about the people in smog free counties?? All those city officials in those counties should be fired immediately and comply with CARB NOW!!

Certainly those people are just as susceptible to getting lung cancer like the rest of us in the bay area?

What about passing a sniffer but not visual? Isn't it what comes out of the exhaust pipe what matters? Isn't that what we breathe?

If my car now has better performance, burns cleaner and uses less fuel, isn't that better for the environment? If I now get 25mpg instead of 23, isn't that a good thing? Times that by millions of people doing it, now that would make a difference.

All these other countries don't do any of this and pollute the $#@& out of the world. We breathe all that at some point. The real problem is over population and nothing is being done about that. The more people, the more resources are used, the more problems.

People need to start thinking before they have kids nowadays, or how many you should have.

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9cobra7 makes good points.


50 Deep -------- no one daily drives cars made in the 80s anymore. There is no reason the government requires smogs on the few 1980s cars on the road. The same is becoming true of cars made in the 90s. 50 Deep is right. SMOG is no longer about clean air. It's about taxes, which people call revenue these days. Do you really think there are that many 20+ year old cars still on the road every day to pollute your fresh air? Or is the pollution coming from those diesel buses driving around your city all day with plumes of black smoke coming out, with only three people inside? Or is the pollution coming from hundreds of thousands of newer VW cars with rigged computer code to pass the sniffer? The SMOG system is rigged folks.

The only people I know of in support of the SMOG revenue industry do so because their pay checks depend on it. They're on the take.

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quote:
Originally posted by 9cobra7:
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Originally posted by 50 Deep:
Or you could put smog legal parts on your car and enjoy the fresh air.

That all sounds great but its not reality about breathing "fresh" air; its about money, nothing less. They'd like you to think that though.

So in all these smog free counties, apparently they don't care about people breathing in polluted air? I thought each and every person makes a difference and counts? How could they possibly not care about the people in smog free counties?? All those city officials in those counties should be fired immediately and comply with CARB NOW!!

Certainly those people are just as susceptible to getting lung cancer like the rest of us in the bay area?

What about passing a sniffer but not visual? Isn't it what comes out of the exhaust pipe what matters? Isn't that what we breathe?

If my car now has better performance, burns cleaner and uses less fuel, isn't that better for the environment? If I now get 25mpg instead of 23, isn't that a good thing? Times that by millions of people doing it, now that would make a difference.

All these other countries don't do any of this and pollute the $#@& out of the world. We breathe all that at some point. The real problem is over population and nothing is being done about that. The more people, the more resources are used, the more problems.

People need to start thinking before they have kids nowadays, or how many you should have.

You're right, it's like everything else in this country, money driven. I've already smogged my BMW 3 fucking years in a row because of some BULLSHIT ass computer problems(supposedly my test never got sent to the state) but what the fuck am I suppose to do when I NEED my stickers or else I get tickets?

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Pound the keyboard and rant all you want boys. As the law stands the path of least resistance to the OP's problem is to put smog legal parts on his car. But by all means keep fighting the good fight and have the headache every two years. I played that game when I was younger and it's just not worth it.

The value of enjoying my car 24/7/365 without worry of going to the referee or blowing increased carbon emissions into the air as I drive by a park where kids play is worth he extra 40hp that nobody cares about

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I agree that clean air benefits all of us. But, if California's emissions laws were really about the clean air that kids playing in parks are breathing, then there would be tailpipe emission tests only. If the engine runs clean, but I have non CARB parts on it, I fail smog. It's a state money grab.

I do not take offense to tailpipe emission testing. But visual tests have little to no relevance to OUR air quality.

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My sister lives in Mendocino county and she doesn't have to smog after 5 years. If you register your car depending on the county you wouldn't have to until 5 years I think chico is the same I could be wrong though

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quote:
Originally posted by Martinna:
Retarding timing is the secret to passing the sniff test. Any V8 running about 20 degrees total and a pair of cats will pass clean.

you can do this and fail when the tech checks timing with his light
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quote:
Originally posted by 50 Deep:
Or you could put smog legal parts on your car and enjoy the fresh air.

We'll run out of water before we run out of 'fresh' air

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JZTRK --- Not advocating anything in this thread, but anyone that has worked on a car knows there are many ways around this.

VW showed the world the timing advance can be limited by reprogramming the computer.

The ability of the computer to advance the timing can be disabled.

The timing tape on the balancer can have an offset.

Rely on the laziness of a tech that doesn't want to look on a rusted balancer. A bright paint mark on an old rusted balancer will be good enough for the tech to assume the mark represents 10 BTDC.

Those are just four ways to limit the timing to just under 20 degrees. Everyone knows just under 20 degrees total timing puts out clean NOx and HC numbers no matter what. People here can think of more ways. Not advocating any one of them.


I suspect the lone person advocating for tighter emissions regulations has financial ties to the SMOG industry. Full disclosure, I do not have financial ties for or against the SMOG industry. People should disclose financial ties if they want their unreasonable claims taken seriously.

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He's probably someone who respects the laws that the people have put in place. Might not agree with the law but the law is the law unless you can change the law then trying to manipulate the system will continue to be more difficult than just following the law.

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