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Originally posted by 9cobra7:
You're right, nothing is that simple...but it is.
I think we all agree that politicians are generally crooks. Whether they are from the get go or become that way, doesn't really matter, the result is the same. Now if you take a bunch of crooks and put them in a room together with closed doors, what do think will happen?
You've just formed a criminal enterprise.
Now, do you think this organization would be for the people, or for itself?
Its built by the lawyers, for the lawyers and judged by the lawyers. Now ask yourself if you think your vote really counts?
This is why everything we have now is such a $#@&ing mess because its so convoluted and corrupt that its out of control. The country is in a death spiral and I honestly don't see how we can get out of it without drastic action of some kind.
I can't argue with that. Well said.
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Woke Bruh
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I think that all boils down to how much you think the next president will end up adding to it. Democrats always say we need government to fix everything and end up growing government and spending. Look at Obamacare for example, weren't we going to be able to keep our doctors we had? And if everybody is required to have insurance, why hasn't the cost on the whole come down? I think about all the self employed people trying to make a living and being forced into this healthcare mess. It really hit home with me when I did my taxes for last year. What kinda penalties are people with out it getting hit? I know we got some self employed people on here if you wanna chime in on that.
Government cannot solve everything, socialism isn't the answer. Look at Venezuela, socialism is ruining their country.
The ACA is a mess. There's no arguing it. That being said, what we can't overlook is that EVERY american has healthcare (or direct and easy access to it) for the first time. Ever. No one has been able to accomplish that.
What upsets me is that the anti ACA crowd in our government whines about how bad it is and doesn't offer suggestions on how to fix it. Lets all work at getting it moving in the right direction.
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Woke Bruh
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Trumps recruited Ben Carson and he's got some good ideas to replace it. Problem with the way Obama handled the issue is that there was no bipartisan agreement and he bull dogged his way into getting his way. He's proven to not be able to effectively negotiate. Ya everybody has it why is my healthcare more expensive if we're all buying into it???
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Originally posted by 135.0:
I think that all boils down to how much you think the next president will end up adding to it. Democrats always say we need government to fix everything and end up growing government and spending. Look at Obamacare for example, weren't we going to be able to keep our doctors we had? And if everybody is required to have insurance, why hasn't the cost on the whole come down? I think about all the self employed people trying to make a living and being forced into this healthcare mess. It really hit home with me when I did my taxes for last year. What kinda penalties are people with out it getting hit? I know we got some self employed people on here if you wanna chime in on that.
Government cannot solve everything, socialism isn't the answer. Look at Venezuela, socialism is ruining their country.
Yeah I remember all the BS Obama said about keeping your doctor too. Part of it was true, but what they knew would happen was that many of the good docs would just stop practicing because the new system didn't work with the old. Basically forcing them out and in with the new socialized care.
Again, none of this is by accident but they try and use the "we didn't know" attitude and lets see what happens if plans don't work out. They have statistics and cause and affect scenarios for everything so they know what will happen when they do anything like this.
And when none of this works out, they'll blame us because "we" voted for it lol
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Originally posted by 135.0:
Trumps recruited Ben Carson and he's got some good ideas to replace it. Problem with the way Obama handled the issue is that there was no bipartisan agreement and he bull dogged his way into getting his way. He's proven to not be able to effectively negotiate. Ya everybody has it why is my healthcare more expensive if we're all buying into it???
Why??
It's just another form of taxation, they're just not calling it that. The idea is to tax us all to death then rely on the government for everything. At that point, you have full control of the people which is a very powerful concept. Just watch it happen, its brilliant and fascinating to think one thing is happening while it's really the other.
Now go distract yourself with what really matters. Transgender bathrooms, $50 million dollar baseball players, my team is better than yours, "reality" tv shows...you know, important things.
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Who would support this?
https://youtu.be/bhnjhYzcGHM
Trump protesters are violent motherfuckers who have no idea what they are even protesting.
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People have gotten so dumb. Who are these Anti Trump protestor pieces of shit voting for? I want to make sure NOT to vote for that candidate if that is what they stand for.
Wondering message these idiots are sending.
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I don't think they're dumb, they just haven't spent the time doing the research on Trump in general. They hear the negative bullshit and don't find out their own.
I guess I have a lot of time on my hands but I have done a lot of research. Just like these wonderful people in the video below.
https://youtu.be/2_PczITyQIo
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Originally posted by 135.0:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2016/05/25/msnbc-praises-violent-protesters-expressing-their-humanity
WTF rioters justified, you can't be serious
I guess I should have gone to the Vallejo Bernie Sanders rally and beat up his supporters,broke into their cars and damaged their property. Then maybe everyone would see how much I care about my political views. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Pleanty of Sanders supporters here in Vallejo. I mean the city did go bankrupt a few years ago.... A perfect place to feel the burn.
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I have no intenions of keeping anyones parts or taking anyones money.
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Shouting Viva Mexico as they attack? :| Can I disown my race and claim to be ambiguous?
Kidding, but this behavior is disheartening and embarrassing for other civil Hispanics (Latinos). Now I almost want Trump to take the presidency and rid the country of such goons. Almost.
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Originally posted by 135.0:
Trumps recruited Ben Carson and he's got some good ideas to replace it. Problem with the way Obama handled the issue is that there was no bipartisan agreement and he bull dogged his way into getting his way. He's proven to not be able to effectively negotiate. Ya everybody has it why is my healthcare more expensive if we're all buying into it???
Of course he bulldogged it through, there was no other way or other options that I'm aware of. Only pure partisan opposition.
I hope that Trump has plans to change it for the better. I'm not to educated on the issues the of ACA since my insurance wasn't affected.
It will be a long road since so much private money in involved in American healthcare and it has become so corrupt.
Without being labeled as a "Socialist," I'd like to be see at least some of the private financial influence removed from my healthcare. Of course, the ACA does nothing for that either since all of the plans are still run by the same health insurance carriers.
Anyway, this is far above my pay grade. Carry on....
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Woke Bruh
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Sounds like there's going to be a Bernie Trump debate for charity prior to 6/7. This is why I think the two best for the job are either Trump or Bernie because they both have solutions to making the country better where Clinton just wants to be the first bitch to run the show. The email shit has hit the fan and now she's hiding like a leper.
A debate between the bitch and Bernie was turned down by the bitch. So looks like Trump is willing to step up to the plate. Can't wait!
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Btw, anyone notice Trump only became a racist since he started running for office? No other mention of racism until recently. Fascinating.
Liberals make up their theories and scrutinize everything except the dumb theory. This guy knows what I mean...
https://youtu.be/KaJeAkikuBE
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