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Originally posted by N8:
Its very sad what is about to happen there. My folks will be one of the ones getting laid off and he is one of the cops there the actually cares. This happened in NOLA the year we was the murder capitol. And it went bananas after that. Crime is about to be off the hook is Oakland if this happens. But what they did try in NOLA was making cops walk the beat and even live in areas they police. It worked for a while but then the cops became the big drug dealers..lol.

Oakland needs police reform IMO.

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the first on that needs to go is the mayor of Oakland. He has set a great example by not paying his taxes. Crime if it is down, is about to go up..... Special task units like CRT are going to be gone. That means no sting operations meaning more drugs and prostitution. they will cut all he special units other then swat.
All the cop haters are going to have a field day in Oakland. Officers moral is going to be down. The future doesn't look to good for Oakland.

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Don't know if you read the complete story but they had a deal to save all the police officers jobs, but the police union didn't want to take the pay cuts.

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Incorrect, the OakPD was asked to pay 9% of their pay into the pension accounts. The Police Officer Uninion wanted a 3 (which even went down to 1) year guarantee of no layoffs if they did this as ht 9% was supposed to fix the police budget.

City council said FU, we wont lay any of you off until November.

City council fucked that one up, not the police.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:


What I found interesting was

#1) $188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

#2) Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000.

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ok... coming from a municipal worker... and i have worked for 2 cities in michigan and also the westlands water district in central cali.

#1... that figure seems way high, typically benefits account for 50-70% of the wage , so making it simple a base pay of 60k would be about a 90k bill for the city if the benefit package was worth 50% it is NEVER double that i can assure you. retirement and med is CONSTANTLY being cut and changes made to the new hires to keep current pay and benefits the same.

#2..... that number is WAAAAAY low

you need to look at the hierarchy of pay. typically it takes 5 years to reach max pay and sometimes 10 years. usually starting wage it 75% of top scale. and troy MI police make about 65k

you cant count overtime and other premium pay such as motorcycle duty (there are higher clothing allowance etc for special jobs) and overtime is overtime. if peeps are needed for OT then there is lack of personnel. PERIOD !!!!


i agree cops are a bit overpaid, but my scale is about 50k here in michigan, and the requrements are pretty much a high school diploma. old skool pension is out long ago... current standards are a 401A, that we put in 5% and the city hits it with 10%

med in retirement is good for 4% per every year you worked

and yes... layoffs are imminent

we just lost 7 from our dpw of a total 90

next fiscal year 10 more... then 33 after that

hope these b!tche$ arent looking for the snow to plowed from the entire city in 24 hours like we currently promise. ?????????


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Originally posted by Camara90:
Dude your a cop in Oakland you should be paid like crazy! If everyone has a problem with how much cops get paid, go on some ride alongs and see what happens. They are in shit 24/7 and risking their lives daily. 100k isnt really that much money for what they do, an the high stress level of having to worry about loss of life or job daily.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:


What I found interesting was

#1) $188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

#2) Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000.

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ok... coming from a municipal worker... and i have worked for 2 cities in michigan and also the westlands water district in central cali.

#1... that figure seems way high, typically benefits account for 50-70% of the wage , so making it simple a base pay of 60k would be about a 90k bill for the city if the benefit package was worth 50% it is NEVER double that i can assure you. retirement and med is CONSTANTLY being cut and changes made to the new hires to keep current pay and benefits the same.

#2..... that number is WAAAAAY low

you need to look at the hierarchy of pay. typically it takes 5 years to reach max pay and sometimes 10 years. usually starting wage it 75% of top scale. and troy MI police make about 65k

you cant count overtime and other premium pay such as motorcycle duty (there are higher clothing allowance etc for special jobs) and overtime is overtime. if peeps are needed for OT then there is lack of personnel. PERIOD !!!!


i agree cops are a bit overpaid, but my scale is about 50k here in michigan, and the requrements are pretty much a high school diploma. old skool pension is out long ago... current standards are a 401A, that we put in 5% and the city hits it with 10%

med in retirement is good for 4% per every year you worked

and yes... layoffs are imminent

we just lost 7 from our dpw of a total 90

next fiscal year 10 more... then 33 after that

hope these b!tche$ arent looking for the snow to plowed from the entire city in 24 hours like we currently promise. ?????????

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:


What I found interesting was

#1) $188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

#2) Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000.

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ok... coming from a municipal worker... and i have worked for 2 cities in michigan and also the westlands water district in central cali.

#1... that figure seems way high, typically benefits account for 50-70% of the wage , so making it simple a base pay of 60k would be about a 90k bill for the city if the benefit package was worth 50% it is NEVER double that i can assure you. retirement and med is CONSTANTLY being cut and changes made to the new hires to keep current pay and benefits the same.

#2..... that number is WAAAAAY low

you need to look at the hierarchy of pay. typically it takes 5 years to reach max pay and sometimes 10 years. usually starting wage it 75% of top scale. and troy MI police make about 65k

you cant count overtime and other premium pay such as motorcycle duty (there are higher clothing allowance etc for special jobs) and overtime is overtime. if peeps are needed for OT then there is lack of personnel. PERIOD !!!!


i agree cops are a bit overpaid, but my scale is about 50k here in michigan, and the requrements are pretty much a high school diploma. old skool pension is out long ago... current standards are a 401A, that we put in 5% and the city hits it with 10%

med in retirement is good for 4% per every year you worked

and yes... layoffs are imminent

we just lost 7 from our dpw of a total 90

next fiscal year 10 more... then 33 after that

hope these b!tche$ arent looking for the snow to plowed from the entire city in 24 hours like we currently promise. ?????????

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http://www.opdjobs.com/salaries-and-benefits.asp

Starting pay ranges from $71,841 to $90,549 plus benefits. So I don't know have my numbers are way off.

If the safety of the people were their top priority then they would of taken the pay cut and saved the jobs of their co-workers.

To Fostang I respect a police with your thinking.

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I agree the economy is hard for everyone atm and the effect of it reaches everywhere. Again, Oakland's police department takes up about 80% of Oakland's budget and of course the city would look towards it to save some money in a down economy

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I agree the economy is hard for everyone atm and the effect of it reaches everywhere. Again, Oakland's police department takes up about 80% of Oakland's budget and of course the city would look towards it to save some money in a down economy

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High Crime, High Drug rates = more police officers needs hence the large part of the budget. If there werent so many fucking idiots in that shithole youwould have this issue.

Livermore, where I live, shit we dont have this problem...why? We dont have a bunch of ignorant fucks who dont understnad they cant do whatever the fuck they want living here.

Oakland needs to crack down on the fucking idiots there, they need to profile more, and if people act out of line, the hammer needs to come down.

Then and only then will the self righteous assholes who live there and tarnish the Oakland name, stop doing what they are doing.

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I agree the economy is hard for everyone atm and the effect of it reaches everywhere. Again, Oakland's police department takes up about 80% of Oakland's budget and of course the city would look towards it to save some money in a down economy

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High Crime, High Drug rates = more police officers needs hence the large part of the budget. If there werent so many fucking idiots in that shithole youwould have this issue.

Livermore, where I live, shit we dont have this problem...why? We dont have a bunch of ignorant fucks who dont understnad they cant do whatever the fuck they want living here.

Oakland needs to crack down on the fucking idiots there, they need to profile more, and if people act out of line, the hammer needs to come down.

Then and only then will the self righteous assholes who live there and tarnish the Oakland name, stop doing what they are doing.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:


What I found interesting was

#1) $188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

#2) Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000.

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ok... coming from a municipal worker... and i have worked for 2 cities in michigan and also the westlands water district in central cali.

#1... that figure seems way high, typically benefits account for 50-70% of the wage , so making it simple a base pay of 60k would be about a 90k bill for the city if the benefit package was worth 50% it is NEVER double that i can assure you. retirement and med is CONSTANTLY being cut and changes made to the new hires to keep current pay and benefits the same.

#2..... that number is WAAAAAY low

you need to look at the hierarchy of pay. typically it takes 5 years to reach max pay and sometimes 10 years. usually starting wage it 75% of top scale. and troy MI police make about 65k

you cant count overtime and other premium pay such as motorcycle duty (there are higher clothing allowance etc for special jobs) and overtime is overtime. if peeps are needed for OT then there is lack of personnel. PERIOD !!!!


i agree cops are a bit overpaid, but my scale is about 50k here in michigan, and the requrements are pretty much a high school diploma. old skool pension is out long ago... current standards are a 401A, that we put in 5% and the city hits it with 10%

med in retirement is good for 4% per every year you worked

and yes... layoffs are imminent

we just lost 7 from our dpw of a total 90

next fiscal year 10 more... then 33 after that

hope these b!tche$ arent looking for the snow to plowed from the entire city in 24 hours like we currently promise. ?????????

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http://www.opdjobs.com/salaries-and-benefits.asp

Starting pay ranges from $71,841 to $90,549 plus benefits. So I don't know have my numbers are way off.

If the safety of the people were their top priority then they would of taken the pay cut and saved the jobs of their co-workers.

To Fostang I respect a police with your thinking.

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I voted for the pay cut and we were able to save 20 positions at my department because of it. Well at least till the next budget meeting in dec. I couldn't live with myself if I would have been selfish and voted againts taking a cut when other jobs are taking the cut and some are even losing their employment. We are in a recession together.

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Originally posted by 306Coupe:


What I found interesting was

#1) $188,000 Annual total of salary and benefits per officer

#2) Btw the average police officer in the United states makes $55,000.

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ok... coming from a municipal worker... and i have worked for 2 cities in michigan and also the westlands water district in central cali.

#1... that figure seems way high, typically benefits account for 50-70% of the wage , so making it simple a base pay of 60k would be about a 90k bill for the city if the benefit package was worth 50% it is NEVER double that i can assure you. retirement and med is CONSTANTLY being cut and changes made to the new hires to keep current pay and benefits the same.

#2..... that number is WAAAAAY low

you need to look at the hierarchy of pay. typically it takes 5 years to reach max pay and sometimes 10 years. usually starting wage it 75% of top scale. and troy MI police make about 65k

you cant count overtime and other premium pay such as motorcycle duty (there are higher clothing allowance etc for special jobs) and overtime is overtime. if peeps are needed for OT then there is lack of personnel. PERIOD !!!!


i agree cops are a bit overpaid, but my scale is about 50k here in michigan, and the requrements are pretty much a high school diploma. old skool pension is out long ago... current standards are a 401A, that we put in 5% and the city hits it with 10%

med in retirement is good for 4% per every year you worked

and yes... layoffs are imminent

we just lost 7 from our dpw of a total 90

next fiscal year 10 more... then 33 after that

hope these b!tche$ arent looking for the snow to plowed from the entire city in 24 hours like we currently promise. ?????????

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http://www.opdjobs.com/salaries-and-benefits.asp

Starting pay ranges from $71,841 to $90,549 plus benefits. So I don't know have my numbers are way off.

If the safety of the people were their top priority then they would of taken the pay cut and saved the jobs of their co-workers.

To Fostang I respect a police with your thinking.

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I voted for the pay cut and we were able to save 20 positions at my department because of it. Well at least till the next budget meeting in dec. I couldn't live with myself if I would have been selfish and voted againts taking a cut when other jobs are taking the cut and some are even losing their employment. We are in a recession together.

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Thats along the lines of what i was thinking about the situation. And please don't take this the wrong way but if and when another oakland cop goes down in the line of fire i wouldn't want to hear or see the other oakland cops crying about it cause them not helping there so called "brothers" save there jobs was probably part of the reason.

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Originally posted by 86- 50:
Are you serious? Of course an officer getting hurt could have a lot to do with the amount of back up he has or don't have.

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Are you serious? Of course an officer getting hurt could have a lot to do with the amount of back up he has or don't have.

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I agree the more officers the more backup, and the streets are a little safer for the police. But tell me this. Your boss calls you into his office and says that he fucked up and spent to much money and the company is hurting and has to lay some people off unless you take a 10% pay cut. Why should the cops suffer when all those idiots cant make a fucking budget, and there are way to many people up top that can still have the fat trimmed. Its bull shit, and gives them a reason to do it again next time. You have to hold firm, because you know as well as everyone else knows they will be hiring new officers shortly after the layoffs. Why? Because that city cant control itself with the headcount they already have.

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Originally posted by JohnB:
Home prices are down on 30% from their all-time high, with the last 5 years being only 19%. Big difference from 50%. Property values

Edit: 72% of the budget goes to Fire and Police. That is ALL programs, not just uniformed personnel.

Legalize weed? You think THAT is the problem with Oakland? I'd dare say 75% of the cops out there could care less about weed. Not to mention it's a PITA to arrest/process/etc someone who has barely enough to roll one. Hard core druggies, Murderers, Thieves, etc...they are the problem. And I assure you, they live there..they don't go to Oakland to deal or do it.

Problem with Oakland is Oakland. Once the residents decide to take back their city from the dipshits/clowns/etc that have run it into the ground, then and only then will things change. The Police Dept there, like nearly everywhere in Cali, has their hands tied by the Liberal Bureaucrats AKA Tree Huggin'/love everyone/please don't hurt them society that runs that State. PEOPLE aka Citizens, not the Police Dept, are the ones that need to FIX Oakland. The ONLY way for the Police to fix it is if they walk the entire city crackin' skulls...and that ain't gonna happen.


Spare me. A real Community would reach out and handle their own shit...

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