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Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
You can get some 4 piston wilwdood brakes for about the same price as some cobra brakes.... Or try aerospace, top notch pieces. Baer Brakes and also griggsracing has some nice brake systems

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Originally posted by ILLMNRD86:
You can get some 4 piston wilwdood brakes for about the same price as some cobra brakes.... Or try aerospace, top notch pieces. Baer Brakes and also griggsracing has some nice brake systems

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Cobra brakes can be had for about $400 used if you don't already have them on your car...I doubt there are any 4 piston setups for that price.

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You can get the wilwood 4 piston calipers for 170 a piece or less... u just have to know where to look..
 

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Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on 2012-12-11 07:30 PM :
 
I'd go for the Cobra pbr calipers too if you don't have them already.
They can't be beat for the price and the pads are really easy to change from street to track.
Used them many years before upgrading to Stoptech's and they are more than adequate and inexpensive to maintain. Many CMC mustangs use them for full race and even a few AI guys use them still.
$170 for Wilwood's is ridiculously cheap and I'd really have to question the quality of that particular model. I know that some Wilwood's need the calipers rebuilt when changing pads and that is not fun when changing pads on a regular basis.
The season is coming up so get that mustang ready to have some fun in 2013, lots of track events to choose from
 

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Posted by acmikee (Member # 5568) on 2012-12-11 07:37 PM :
 
go with a set of hawk pads and flush your system and put in a high temp brake fluid and use good braded lines (less flex)
 

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Posted by fast305s (Member # 11897) on 2012-12-11 08:28 PM :
 
Good honest input. Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
 

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Posted by SteveL (Member # 1241) on 2012-12-11 08:50 PM :
 
The Cobra brake setup is quite good and don't just look at the cost of the calipers. Check the price and availability for replacement pads and rotors.
 

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Posted by fast305s (Member # 11897) on 2012-12-11 09:25 PM :
 


[ December 11, 2012, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: fast305s ]
 

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Posted by DEVERO2 (Member # 6155) on 2012-12-12 12:17 PM :
 
I would go for Cobra brakes as everyone has said. I got a SMOKING deal on my Alcons and that is why I have them. Although my car doesnt see street use, there are many people in the Shelby Club that open track their cars and have the cobra set up
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on 2013-04-14 09:15 AM :
 

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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
Cobra brakes are great! No need for Brembos or StopTechs unless you're racing.

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There is no such thing as having too much brake and if you can afford it, I highly recommend BREMBO GT set up like the one I installed on my 2001 Cobra.




I'm currently working on a brembo brake system for the cobra
IRS and once I finish fabricating all of the brackets, my 2001 cobra will be sporting Brembo 4 piston calipers, 2 piece rotors and a brembo parking brake in the rear.

Once everything is done, the rear of my Cobra will look like this:


[ 2013-04-14, 09:20 AM: Message edited by: cobraracer46 ]
 

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Posted by SydeWaySix (Member # 3596) on 2013-04-14 09:47 AM :
 

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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
Cobra brakes are great! No need for Brembos or StopTechs unless you're racing.

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There is no such thing as having too much brake and if you can afford it, I highly recommend BREMBO GT set up like the one I installed on my 2001 Cobra.




I'm currently working on a brembo brake system for the cobra
IRS and once I finish fabricating all of the brackets, my 2001 cobra will be sporting Brembo 4 piston calipers, 2 piece rotors and a brembo parking brake in the rear.

Once everything is done, the rear of my Cobra will look like this:

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Originally posted by cobraracer46:
There is no such thing as having too much brake

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Originally posted by SydeWaySix:
Thanks for the quotes...but I'm looking for real world input from people who actually use the brakes.

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I don't see how its possible for me to drive my cobra and not use the brakes?

Weight is another thing to factor in when choosing a brake system. My 2001 Cobra convertible wieghs around 3700 pounds and that is a lot of car to try and stop. Way back in 2000 when Ford introduced the 2000 Cobra R mustang to the media at Firebird raceway, one the Cobra R's that was driven hard all day long experienced a brake failure.
After learning about the Cobra R brake failure, the days of the stock PBR system on my cobra were numbered.

I hear it over and over again on all of the mustang boards " don't waste your money on a big brake system, just upgrade the pads, change the fluid and you will be fine."

I dont buy into that.

here is a 2001 Cobra rotor that has failed under hard abuse



The Brembo GT rotors on my Cobra are so thick that they hit the stock tie rods, so I had to run a bump steer kit just so the rotors would clear and since the Brembo GT rotors are thicker than what you will find on the front of a F250 super duty truck, I dont have to worry about a brake failure.

By the way, I find it unacceptable that a Mercedes station wagon comes with better brakes than a mustang.

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Posted by SydeWaySix (Member # 3596) on 2013-04-14 03:41 PM :
 
I rest my case. I take it you're one of those guys who probably has 5k miles on a car with $50k+ worth of mods on it. You seem to have no real world TRACK experience with the said topic, so your opinion means nothing. Carry on with your bad ass car oh great one....chime back in when you actually test it out on a real race track! This is the ROAD RACING forum after all...
 

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Posted by 4IDFOX (Member # 9921) on 2013-04-14 06:20 PM :
 
To the OP, if you can round up some cobra's front and rear they will be more than adequate till you get to TT or w2w racing. I tracked gt brakes quite a bit and just changed pads and rotors often. I think it was beneficial as I am very easy on brakes and pads last me a long time.

On my AI car now are 14" alcons that I cut down the mount and rotor to 13.8" and now fit in 17" wheels. I run hawk ht10's. the rear is cobras with autozone pads. I put them on wondering how long they would last. Bean 20 days at the track and they are in great shape. My car is 3000 lbs with me in it. I have a proportioning valve. It is adjusted so the rear gets full pressure. My car stops well and seams to be balanced under braking.

I had a factory five racer I was pitted next to come over and talk to me about my brakes as he could not believe how deep I could go into the corners after I passed him. I am not that fast but I have good brakes.
 

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Posted by 9cobra7 (Member # 2812) on 2013-04-14 09:31 PM :
 
cobraracer46, I don't think you've ever tracked even a shopping cart at Safeway. Until you bring a car out I don't think you should be regurgitating quotes without going on track.
You have too many damn holes in your rotors right off the bat unless your just cruising around a circuit somewhere (not likely).

Ever since the 2000 Cobra R cooked it's brakes your PBR's were numbered! What do you care, you're never on track to find out if that's even possible.

That station wagon you speak of above is a little more than a grocery getter. Amg has taken ahold of it and turned it into an Autobahn cruiser with some serious get up and stop.

The Cobra PBR's are more than adequate to the OP. There good enough for me, cmc, open trackers, the street, and even guys in AI and time trials.
They have there limitations but if used properly which means broken in and cooled, there fine; especially for the new open trackers.
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on 2013-04-15 10:38 AM :
 

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The Cobra PBR's are more than adequate to the OP. There good enough for me, cmc, open trackers, the street, and even guys in AI and time trials.
They have there limitations but if used properly which means broken in and cooled, there fine; especially for the new open trackers.

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You are right, The PBR do have limitations. On my old 87 GT with BR brakes that I open tracked and my 2001 Cobra with the stock PBR calipers, I had to rebuild the calipers more than once because of dust boots melting.
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Another station wagon that comes from the factory with better brakes than a mustang; A 2004 Volvo V70R with 4 Piston Brembo calipers in the front and rear right off the showroom floor
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Another bit of info that influenced my desision to throw away the stock cobra brakes and install the Brembo GT kit on my 2001 Cobra

Shedding the light on fading brakes

[ 2013-04-15, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: cobraracer46 ]
 

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Posted by phildog (Member # 1214) on 2013-04-15 02:31 PM :
 
The OP's question was about 'bang for the buck' brakes. That pretty much rules out his interest in spending $3k plus on a brake setup. I don't think that anyone will doubt that the high dollar brake kits are great, but on a 'bang for the buck' topic, they are unrealistic.

I would rather spend a few hundred on a brake system and spend the balance of the budget on actually going to the track and beating on the car. Spending thousands on a bright shiny brake setup for a garage ornament car is a waste.

Take your junk to the track and give us some real world feedback about your Eurotrash brake setup
 

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Posted by SydeWaySix (Member # 3596) on 2013-04-15 04:16 PM :
 

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Originally posted by phildog:
The OP's question was about 'bang for the buck' brakes. That pretty much rules out his interest in spending $3k plus on a brake setup. I don't think that anyone will doubt that the high dollar brake kits are great, but on a 'bang for the buck' topic, they are unrealistic.

I would rather spend a few hundred on a brake system and spend the balance of the budget on actually going to the track and beating on the car. Spending thousands on a bright shiny brake setup for a garage ornament car is a waste.

Take your junk to the track and give us some real world feedback about your Eurotrash brake setup

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Thank you!

Cobraracer46 has all the latest and greatest parts on his car but probably has never even taken a fast turn in it! All this internet readibg, he said she said bullshit is retarded. Talk to us when you actually put in some real track time! And I'm not talking about on your PS3 console either
 

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Posted by DEVERO2 (Member # 6155) on 2013-04-16 11:49 AM :
 
cobraracer or cobraneverracedit you do realize you are posting pictures of a 100k merc? umm when did a mustang ever cost 100k new? not to mention that is not a stock benz that is an AMG, not the point though. Point is that car is made for European road with European speed limits. you are trying to compare apples to gold bars. makes sense though, seems legit... said no one ever.

Please take your car to the track. Most preferably when I am there so I can see you break a rotor. drilled rotors are for the birds if you are consistently on a track, but you seem to be able to search the internet and post nonsense better than me.
 

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Posted by 4IDFOX (Member # 9921) on 2013-04-16 06:15 PM :
 
Here is an excerpt from the fading brake article linked above.

"Since the rear brakes play such a small part in this, there would be little gain in upgrading them."
 

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Posted by SteveL (Member # 1241) on 2013-04-16 08:44 PM :
 
If your goal is to get the front license plate to scrape the asphalt under heavy braking then just upgrade the front brakes.

If you want less weight shift towards the nose, increase the braking in the back with some combination bigger rotors, more aggressive pads, and/or a proportioning valve.

You want the maximum amount of rear brakes that do not lock up before the front brakes. You will feel the difference.
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on 2013-04-17 02:05 PM :
 

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Originally posted by DEVERO2:
cobraracer or cobraneverracedit you do realize you are posting pictures of a 100k merc? umm when did a mustang ever cost 100k new? not to mention that is not a stock benz that is an AMG, not the point though. Point is that car is made for European road with European speed limits. you are trying to compare apples to gold bars. makes sense though, seems legit... said no one ever.

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So the AMG that you can buy new at any Mercedes dealer is a little over the top. Here is a 2013 Camaro with 4 piston Brembo brakes at all 4 corners right off the showroom floor.

 

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Posted by phildog (Member # 1214) on 2013-04-17 02:15 PM :
 
I like how 'garagequeencobra46' has no response to any of us guys who actually track our cars. What are you saving it for? It's just a Cobra.

And that 3800lb General Mistake tuna boat really needs those brakes for its overweight body. Ever driven one? They are huge!
 

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Posted by cobraracer46 (Member # 1142) on 2013-04-17 02:37 PM :
 

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that 3800lb General Mistake tuna boat really needs those brakes for its overweight body. Ever driven one? They are huge!

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I have never driven a new Camaro nor do I want to. By the way, A mustang Cobra is no light weight either as my car tips the scales at 3500 pounds and that is a lot of mass to try and stop.

It only took Ford a million years, but now you can buy a new mustang with a decent set of front brakes.

2013 GT500 front Brembo calipers. Better than anything Baer makes.

 

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Posted by SteveL (Member # 1241) on 2013-04-17 03:38 PM :
 
You guys are coming at it from two different directions.

First off, big brakes, just like big rims, helps sell cars which is really the goal of the manufacturer. Not that they're really needed on a street car but it's a nice addition to the 'boy racer' package. It doesn't hurt if the manufacturer also makes a few more profit dollars from the option either.

Now if you already have the car and plan on using it in a road course environment, the priorities and selection can be different.

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Posted by v-town coupe (Member # 2771) on 2013-04-18 08:06 AM :
 
To the OP, for just a couple of bucks, 13" cobra brake WILL be a HUGE improvement over stock. Start there and see if you like it, afterall there is a bunch of people who will buy them if you do not like.

I personally would stay away from wilwoods, they do not use a dust seal(atleast this was the case few years back) and on street use you get a little crud built up, causing the caliper to hang up.

Cobraracer, Brembo called and they want to retrieve their nuts from your mouth!
 

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Posted by Hungry Hippo (Member # 537) on 2013-04-18 01:07 PM :
 
The biggest difference comes from brake pads. Go with Cobra brakes, race pads (no street or dual purpose pads), titanium shims, and good fluid. That should work well until you're ready for slicks. As mentioned before, big rotors and big wheels are just for show and is just extra weight.
 

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