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Posted by 408stang408 (Member # 12948) on :
 
Where to go for a dyno tuning.. Any good tuners in the San Jose area? Will be installing a vortech v2 supercharger on my y2k gt this week and was wondering.. Any Recommendations?
 
Posted by 90 7up lx (Member # 10304) on :
 
Bay area u got: mustang ranch, tps motorsports.

Sac: aed

If you wana drive down to the valley : aop
 
Posted by 83notcher (Member # 12608) on :
 
I called aed and they told me straight up "we dont tune foxbody Mustangs" pretty rude if u ask me
 
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Posted by SLOWSN95 (Member # 8269) on :
 
Don't go to Mustang Ranch. Used to work there and trust me, hasn't been the same since I left.

Try to get on the list for Kurgan. He will definitely be your best bet if your car is setup correctly.
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 83notcher:
I called aed and they told me straight up "we dont tune foxbody Mustangs" pretty rude if u ask me
Bullshit
 
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
Why not buy the SCT Pro package and tune it yourself.
 
Posted by Stangn5oh (Member # 10875) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
quote:
Originally posted by 83notcher:
I called aed and they told me straight up "we dont tune foxbody Mustangs" pretty rude if u ask me
Bullshit
If you would've responded professionally instead of "bullshit"
I would've kept out,but...

I was at the sac track, aed was running a beautiful blue foxbody with a big trailer tuning there car. My foxbody broke, I asked someone from aed if he could help me out, he walked over checked it out and asked him can I take it to your shop and he replied "we don't work on foxbodys" he was not rude about it tho and that was that...I just broke a ujoint

Yes your guys wording of choice "we don't work on foxbodys" sounds a bit degrading to some ppl.
Yet you guys race,tune,own, perhaps sponsor a foxbody "I dontknow specifically"
Yes I own a foxbody, just because something as little as this, when ppl ask about a shop i don't recamend nor do I talk down about your shop.
I'm just a nobody tho...
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stangn5oh:
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
quote:
Originally posted by 83notcher:
I called aed and they told me straight up "we dont tune foxbody Mustangs" pretty rude if u ask me
Bullshit
If you would've responded professionally instead of "bullshit"
I would've kept out,but...

I was at the sac track, aed was running a beautiful blue foxbody with a big trailer tuning there car. My foxbody broke, I asked someone from aed if he could help me out, he walked over checked it out and asked him can I take it to your shop and he replied "we don't work on foxbodys" he was not rude about it tho and that was that...I just broke a ujoint

Yes your guys wording of choice "we don't work on foxbodys" sounds a bit degrading to some ppl.
Yet you guys race,tune,own, perhaps sponsor a foxbody "I dontknow specifically"
Yes I own a foxbody, just because something as little as this, when ppl ask about a shop i don't recamend nor do I talk down about your shop.
I'm just a nobody tho...
That was not me at the track.
I don't work on ANY cars anymore as I am too busy with tuning, but I will tune any 87+ mustang as long as they are *ready* for tuning.

So, yes it is bullshit to say we don't 'tune' fox body's.

[ 2013-10-20, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: 93PONY ]
 
Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
I've seen Shaun Tune plenty of fox bodies. the issues with fox body's is usually issues not being addressed with the car before bringing the cars in for a tune.. These fox bodies are almost 30 years old so simple issues may prevent a good tune which may also create more wrk for the tuner that they are not getting payed for ... Ive seen a car on the dyno that took over 5 hrs to tune because of all the issues that were not dealt with before bringing the car in on dyno day
 
Posted by SLOW95GTS (Member # 10365) on :
 
They'll tune it but they rather work on the modulars to make Gouda lol. Modulars= not cheap
 
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on :
 
ive heard many things from aed about not tuning foxbodies and that they dont, never made that call myself or heard from aed myself. but yes many rumors are that they are rude and do not work on them. i guess with that saying it was said because they are never tune ready and are pieces of crap, which i completely understand. untill this last year i have recently heard for the first time that a couple cars over there bein tuned was a fox body. but as for the same, of just saying bullshit, wasn't very polite or professionally speaking for sure. i would expect that talk over here at my lame ghetto place lol. but for the reputation of doing gd work, is louder that the bullshit foxbody remarks. but that reputation for foxbodys is my main an only reason i havent sent foxbodys in that direction, just plain they didnt do them and the asshole vibes people got. i just had a customer take his car over there, and he said at first the rude greetings where highly evident,how they didnt wana work on it but bob kurgan was there so they where inclined to. and then when they got to look the car over, they felt it wasn't so bad, and was tune ready, tuned it or somebody did, and that customer is very happy. i have my car as well that needs to be tuned so let see how some more of this goes. im not bashing at all, if it seemed that way. i am rude as well with pieces of crap coming in my shop and the customer has no idea there gold is coal, but it aint right, im working on my people skills daily myself.
 
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
quote:
Originally posted by 83notcher:
I called aed and they told me straight up "we dont tune foxbody Mustangs" pretty rude if u ask me
Bullshit
How did you find this old ass thread? lol
 
Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on :
 
For fox bodies and older cars AOP hands down. For 03-04 cobras and new 5.0's AED. I known a few people that have fox bodies and aed refused to tune them and gave an excuse of why they didn't want to work on their cars. AOP was able to work on them and tune them with no issues.
 
Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on :
 
Damn should have seen the date haha.
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
Duncan Motors,
You're not one to spout off about 'professionalism' given what you post on this site. [Roll Eyes]

83Notcher posted that we do not *tune* Fox Body Mustangs. That is BULLSHIT and anyone who has talked to me about it knows I DO tune Fox Body's.

Wrenching on them is another story, but tuning is NO PROBLEM assuming they are put together and set up correctly.

Which brings up the main reason I turn down cars for tuning.

I do not tune:
1. Around hardware problems
2. Around electrical issues
3. Problem cars that have gone from shop to shop
4. Cars setup with incorrect parts
5. Boosted applications with Stock injectors and/or stock fuel pumps
6. Cars with FMU's
7. Boosted applications running too much for pump gas
8. Cars that are not safe to run at 150+ MPH on my chassis dyno.
9. Any car the customer does not know what he has as far as setup.

For the record I turn down 1 in 20 NEW Coyote's due to issues I see in the customers data logs. I REQUIRE data logs of customers cars BEFORE I tune them (email style tune) to ensure the following:
1. There are no Fueling / Octane issues (Knock activity)
2. Vacuum leaks
3. Improper installation of parts (I can see exhaust leaks and CAI install issues via fuel trims)
4. The vehicles are not experiencing the infamous #8 issue (dead lean at WOT).

As For Foxbody specific stuff.. I've been working on those cars since 1997, and to this day both my Partner Drew and I are 2 of the very FEW in NorCal who have gone 10's All-motor 5.0 Pushrod Pump Gas setups. 347 cubes, pump gas, and 124+MPH traps at 3400+lbs.

I can't tell you how many calls I get from guys who have paid GOOD money to have their Fox's worked on and *built* by shops in the area, and they are hacked up. Used parts left and right, no information on valve springs, no information on Cam centerlines, no information on compression ratio, or if the balancer has been degreed in properly.

All BASIC Pushrod build specs that SHOULD be written down for the customer on their invoice. Oh wait, no receipts, used parts, no idea the history of the car/engine/etc.

It comes down to LIABILITY. Why would AED put their reputation on the line to tune a *problem* car, or a car that was not built correctly, or a setup that is too aggressive for the fuel they are running?

We know these cars like the back of our hands. With a few simple questions via phone / email I can quickly tell if a car is setup correctly and is ready for tuning or not. It has NOTHING to do with the year of the vehicle!

[ 2013-10-21, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: 93PONY ]
 
Posted by 83notcher (Member # 12608) on :
 
well its a good thing to know that you do. I dont remember whos name it was that told me that over the phone but sounds like your getting the word across that you do tune foxbodys. maybe let your staff know to tell people on the phone that we do tune foxbodys "but" they have to be put together rite. As you said NO buckets haha ive seen your cars at sac hauling the mail and I am very impressed keep up the good work. ill hopefully be out there competing next year with you guys
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 83notcher:
well its a good thing to know that you do. I dont remember whos name it was that told me that over the phone but sounds like your getting the word across that you do tune foxbodys. maybe let your staff know to tell people on the phone that we do tune foxbodys "but" they have to be put together rite. As you said NO buckets haha ive seen your cars at sac hauling the mail and I am very impressed keep up the good work. ill hopefully be out there competing next year with you guys
I appreciate the response.
It's not our intention to piss people off and turn away customers, quite the contrary we want to do the best job possible on every vehicle that comes in the door. Unfortunately sometimes that means turning down work as we can not do a quality job given what we have to work with.

Nor do we want to turn off future customers that may have a 'Bucket' Fox (lol) now, but down the road they may end up with a New Coyote, which we are currently specializing in.

We do recognize there are rumors floating around about us not Tuning the Foxes. Possibly from those we've turned down for tunes, or possibly from someone who contacted us for Work on a Fox and was told we don't *work* on cars older than 99, I'm not sure, but when it pops up on the public message boards I feel it's necessary to set the record straight.

FYI, we DO work on *insanely* clean Fox Race cars. As you guys are well aware of since you see these cars at SacRaceway.

[ 2013-10-21, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: 93PONY ]
 
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on :
 
93 pony, maybe u can <thoroughly> please read what i wrote again. You would of seen it wasn't a attack on u or your company. I even said that somewhere in there. its your reputation that u guys got, my <nonprofessionalism> didnt have anything to do with your guys poor rep in the fox body world, or in the arrogance attitude department. its your comments like <bullshit>, finger pointing negatively in my direction as a form of non needed defense. your customer service isn't very cool from my point of view today as being i wanted to be one. I know my build sheet and all my info, my car is far from crap.

having a bad attitude today? the way u handled this whole situation clearly sucked like u did. the stuck up smiley face with the rolling rude eyes shocked me as well. Before your poor response,s I respected u alot as a tuner place <I sent many referrals>, and a friend of others. sorry if u misinterpreted what i said or meant as being negative. I had just said one of my latest fox customers had his car tuned at your guys place of business and was very happy with the results.
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Duncan Motors:
93 pony, maybe u can <thoroughly> please read what i wrote again. You would of seen it wasn't a attack on u or your company. I even said that somewhere in there. its your reputation that u guys got, my <nonprofessionalism> didnt have anything to do with your guys poor rep in the fox body world, or in the arrogance attitude department. its your comments like <bullshit>, finger pointing negatively in my direction as a form of non needed defense. your customer service isn't very cool from my point of view today as being i wanted to be one. I know my build sheet and all my info, my car is far from crap.

having a bad attitude today? the way u handled this whole situation clearly sucked like u did. the stuck up smiley face with the rolling rude eyes shocked me as well. Before your poor response,s I respected u alot as a tuner place <I sent many referrals>, and a friend of others. sorry if u misinterpreted what i said or meant as being negative. I had just said one of my latest fox customers had his car tuned at your guys place of business and was very happy with the results.
I have a hard time reading text style posts with run on sentences.

If you want to be taken seriously, take a few grammar lessons.
I'm giving you an F(ail) for today's posts.

[ 2013-10-21, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: 93PONY ]
 
Posted by SLOW95GTS (Member # 10365) on :
 
Are you guys good with tuning 94-95's?
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SLOW95GTS:
Are you guys good with tuning 94-95's?
Easy
I really don't know why people think 94-95's are difficult to tune.
 
Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Duncan Motors,
You're not one to spout off about 'professionalism' given what you post on this site. [Roll Eyes]

83Notcher posted that we do not *tune* Fox Body Mustangs. That is BULLSHIT and anyone who has talked to me about it knows I DO tune Fox Body's.

Wrenching on them is another story, but tuning is NO PROBLEM assuming they are put together and set up correctly.

Which brings up the main reason I turn down cars for tuning.

I do not tune:
1. Around hardware problems
2. Around electrical issues
3. Problem cars that have gone from shop to shop
4. Cars setup with incorrect parts
5. Boosted applications with Stock injectors and/or stock fuel pumps
6. Cars with FMU's
7. Boosted applications running too much for pump gas
8. Cars that are not safe to run at 150+ MPH on my chassis dyno.
9. Any car the customer does not know what he has as far as setup.

For the record I turn down 1 in 20 NEW Coyote's due to issues I see in the customers data logs. I REQUIRE data logs of customers cars BEFORE I tune them (email style tune) to ensure the following:
1. There are no Fueling / Octane issues (Knock activity)
2. Vacuum leaks
3. Improper installation of parts (I can see exhaust leaks and CAI install issues via fuel trims)
4. The vehicles are not experiencing the infamous #8 issue (dead lean at WOT).

As For Foxbody specific stuff.. I've been working on those cars since 1997, and to this day both my Partner Drew and I are 2 of the very FEW in NorCal who have gone 10's All-motor 5.0 Pushrod Pump Gas setups. 347 cubes, pump gas, and 124+MPH traps at 3400+lbs.

I can't tell you how many calls I get from guys who have paid GOOD money to have their Fox's worked on and *built* by shops in the area, and they are hacked up. Used parts left and right, no information on valve springs, no information on Cam centerlines, no information on compression ratio, or if the balancer has been degreed in properly.

All BASIC Pushrod build specs that SHOULD be written down for the customer on their invoice. Oh wait, no receipts, used parts, no idea the history of the car/engine/etc.

It comes down to LIABILITY. Why would AED put their reputation on the line to tune a *problem* car, or a car that was not built correctly, or a setup that is too aggressive for the fuel they are running?

We know these cars like the back of our hands. With a few simple questions via phone / email I can quickly tell if a car is setup correctly and is ready for tuning or not. It has NOTHING to do with the year of the vehicle!
What's good fuel for 500-600rw car?
 
Posted by SLOW95GTS (Member # 10365) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
quote:
Originally posted by SLOW95GTS:
Are you guys good with tuning 94-95's?
Easy
I really don't know why people think 94-95's are difficult to tune.
I just been reading that many font like tuning them that's all, thanks.
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SLOW95GTS:
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
quote:
Originally posted by SLOW95GTS:
Are you guys good with tuning 94-95's?
Easy
I really don't know why people think 94-95's are difficult to tune.
I just been reading that many font like tuning them that's all, thanks.
Likely due to them being very similar to the Fox in age/setup issues plus the ECU changes which are much like 96+ cars in the fact they have load based spark, closed loop at idle, and idle control identical to newer vehicles, yet still a TFI setup, which means adjustable timing and as such balancer vs timing pointer clocking is criticize for accurate timing.

We regularly find this to be off by as much as 7 degrees. On a boosted application 7 degrees extra (balancer reads 10 but actual timing is 17) would be instantly disastrous.

This is why I request all distributor systems have the balancer degrees in.
 
Posted by SLOW95GTS (Member # 10365) on :
 
cool thanks for the info.
 
Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on :
 
Bob kurgan FTW !!!


And stay away from Shawn Ellis !!!

[ 2013-10-22, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: 87droptop50 ]
 
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on :
 
shawn ellis recieved 1700 of my cash, not again.
 
Posted by Mr.10psi (Member # 11062) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
quote:
Originally posted by SLOW95GTS:
quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
quote:
Originally posted by SLOW95GTS:
Are you guys good with tuning 94-95's?
Easy
I really don't know why people think 94-95's are difficult to tune.
I just been reading that many font like tuning them that's all, thanks.
Likely due to them being very similar to the Fox in age/setup issues plus the ECU changes which are much like 96+ cars in the fact they have load based spark, closed loop at idle, and idle control identical to newer vehicles, yet still a TFI setup, which means adjustable timing and as such balancer vs timing pointer clocking is criticize for accurate timing.

We regularly find this to be off by as much as 7 degrees. On a boosted application 7 degrees extra (balancer reads 10 but actual timing is 17) would be instantly disastrous.

This is why I request all distributor systems have the balancer degrees in.
y people dont degree balancer is beyond me. That should be standard practice no matter what. Its super easy and guarantees a precise relation between the garbage oem timing pointer and balancer.
 
Posted by phildog (Member # 1214) on :
 
I don't post much anymore due to the direction this board has gone, but this topic deserves my $0.02.

Shaun(AED)has provided myself with outstanding FOXBODY service, from the first time I spoke with him over the phone, to the most recent time he tuned my car. I would say that we have a great tuner / customer relationship because I do my homework and the car arrives ready for the guru to work his magic. I don't show up with a cobbled together pile of sh*t and expect AED to sort out my mess.

[ 2013-10-22, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: phildog ]
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by phildog:
I don't post much anymore due to the direction this board has gone, but this topic deserves my $0.02.

Shaun(AED)has provided myself with outstanding FOXBODY service, from the first time I spoke with him over the phone, to the most recent time he tuned my car. I would say that we have a great tuner / customer relationship because I do my homework and the car arrives ready for the guru to work his magic. I don't show up with a cobbled together pile of sh*t and expect AED to sort out my mess.
It's a privilege to work on your car. By FAR the nicest Mustang we've ever had at the shop. The work you've done on that car is incredible!
 
Posted by phildog (Member # 1214) on :
 
Thank you!

I have never understood why AED gets negative internet chatter on this board. My experiences with AED have always been great, and I would encourage anyone looking for tuning to make AED your first and only call.
 




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