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Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :
 
kinda been looking into it, and for the people who are running it. How long does a tank last? All the kits seem like the tanks are pretty small.
 
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on :
 
79 cobra was running one for a while maybe pm him, i havent seen him on here in a while tho, i bought his old kit and he seemed like he was super helpfull, he was gona come down and help me when i get ready to install mine. im not much help further tho. as for the tank, u can use any dam thing u want as a tank. u can look at mine if u wish, there a simple lil setup, that im sure u can come with your own bigger design if u wanted.
 
Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :
 
ya im gonna do some google'in lol.. I'm just curious on how it works. Also how much just normal driving would use if you had it on all the time. Or is something like nitrous that u use once in a while.
 
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on :
 
on mine it takes positve vacume from the blower to push it as u use it, so yeah like nitrous its only used when being used lol. but on a daily driven car where boost can be used a lot more than nitrous it would be sucked up faster.
 
Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :
 
ok, ya im running boost. I wanna run more timming, but nervous about detonation problems. It would suck to have to retard it and advance it all the time when u run out of fluid.
 
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on :
 
yep lol! i liked the idea of a bigger bottle as well. i forgot what 79 cobra said about how long it lasted, but it seemed to not be to bad, not sure myself. im curiouse tho if u get it post up your findings if u can cause im getting close to doing it also. so its kinda nice to have some more info.
 
Posted by moeofit32 (Member # 10393) on :
 
let us know im thinkin about taking the meth route as well
 
Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :
 
seems like alot of people are interested in it, but not too many people use it. From what ive been reading you can get some nice hp from it.
 
Posted by 79 cobra (Member # 10137) on :
 
Meth injection is great but it depends wat kit you get plus u gotta have two seprate tunes one for the meth and one for no meth cus wen u run out ur air to fiel ratio goes way lean and ruin a motor quick the snow performance is proply the best kit get the stage 2 or stage 3 and upgrade ur tank to a 5 gallon and you you will be good also the kit I sold to duncan is great no pump runs of vacum and boost but the tank is small and only lasted 5or 6 full passes hope this helps a bit also i gained around 50-60 more hp just off the water methanol

[ May 12, 2012, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: 79 cobra ]
 
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 79 cobra:
Meth injection is great but it depends wat kit you get plus u gotta have two seprate tunes one for the meth and one for no meth cus wen u run out ur air to fiel ratio goes way lean and ruin a motor quick the snow performance is proply the best kit get the stage 2 or stage 3 and upgrade ur tank to a 5 gallon and you you will be good also the kit I sold to duncan is great no pump runs of vacum and boost but the tank is small and only lasted 5or 6 full passes hope this helps a bit also i gained around 50-60 more hp just off the water methanol
Why would you need two seperate tunes for the meth with a blower car? If you run out of meth the low level indicator for the resovoir will come on inside the car. Plus the meth is boost activated. it only sprays when you hit a certain PSI. its not like it is constantly spraying.
 
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on :
 
that is if u got a low level indicator, and the other statement it will try to spray under boost, but what if your out of spray and still want to drive and have fun.
 
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Duncan Motors:
that is if u got a low level indicator, and the other statement it will try to spray under boost, but what if your out of spray and still want to drive and have fun.
Simple, either refill the resovoir with meth so you can get into boost or dont get into boost. Meth is very cheap and easy to get so I do not now what the big deal is. i also relocated my IAT sensor

[ May 12, 2012, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: East Bay 50 ]
 
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 
double post

[ May 12, 2012, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: East Bay 50 ]
 
Posted by 2sick4v's (Member # 9387) on :
 
I have heard nothing but good things about it. Some tuners don't tune for it though so might want to check with your tuner before you go buy a kit.
 
Posted by 79 cobra (Member # 10137) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by East Bay 50:
quote:
Originally posted by Duncan Motors:
that is if u got a low level indicator, and the other statement it will try to spray under boost, but what if your out of spray and still want to drive and have fun.
Simple, either refill the resovoir with meth so you can get into boost or dont get into boost. Meth is very cheap and easy to get so I do not now what the big deal is. i also relocated my IAT sensor
yes you kan refill it but what your not understanding is that u gotta mess with your air/fuel ratio to get the full benfit of water methanol and when you run out of meth ur car will run exremly lean and kan cus denating of blown head gasket even if your not in boost thats why i said its better to have 2 tunes so if you runn out you just switch it over to the other tune and safe your motor and still have funn thats why the anderson pms allows you to save 3 tunes and its a great tuning device
 
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 79 cobra:
quote:
Originally posted by East Bay 50:
quote:
Originally posted by Duncan Motors:
that is if u got a low level indicator, and the other statement it will try to spray under boost, but what if your out of spray and still want to drive and have fun.
Simple, either refill the resovoir with meth so you can get into boost or dont get into boost. Meth is very cheap and easy to get so I do not now what the big deal is. i also relocated my IAT sensor
yes you kan refill it but what your not understanding is that u gotta mess with your air/fuel ratio to get the full benfit of water methanol and when you run out of meth ur car will run exremly lean and kan cus denating of blown head gasket even if your not in boost thats why i said its better to have 2 tunes so if you runn out you just switch it over to the other tune and safe your motor and still have funn thats why the anderson pms allows you to save 3 tunes and its a great tuning device
Everyone I know has one tune. When they run out of Meth they just refill. The Meth is only activated when your in boost so I don't see how you could blow your motor when you run out and your not in boost. Maybe you need to talk to your tuner
 
Posted by 79 cobra (Member # 10137) on :
 
i am my tunner what im trying to say is that methanol injecions mess with your a/f ratio example say you got your car tuned for no meth and you use meth you will run very rich so u have to take fuel out so when u do got your car tuned for water meth and you run out your car will runn extrmely lean and can denate and blow or mess other stuff upp
 
Posted by Duncan Motors (Member # 7045) on :
 
if u owned a supercharged car, u would know almost normal driving u can enter boost. lets say u drive to santa rosa from san Francisco, u run out of methanol on the way there, are u supposed to just drive back home? idle home? tow your car home? ok so u didnt plan ahead and keep full jugs of methanol like extra gas cans in your car. but u want to continue driveing and have fun with ur boost but not do what 79 cobra has said. u can have an extra tune for your back up needs. your friends that have only one tune only have one choice. no biggie, but is there tune for race gas? what are they gona do for reg 87 gas? what are they gona do when they drive to reno and the elevation changes? the extra tune is for options, so u can keep your options open.in my car i am gona have a lean tune just for smog and road side checks, one tune for street driving with or without methanol, and then my last tune with race gas and methanol. theres a lot of things and options out there that maybe your friends dont care about, dont know about, or dont seam necessary, but other peoples ideas, cars, and builds on there cars, can and will be different.and some just like more options then one tune.
 
Posted by egobreaker5.0 (Member # 11085) on :
 
Just go E85, cheaper, same if not more power.
 
Posted by straightliner1 (Member # 2679) on :
 
If you're running meth, get the car tuned to take advantage of pulling timing when you hit a certain IAT (read: run out of meth). This way you won't melt down the motor WHEN you run the tank dry. That's the smart way to do things while using meth injection.
 
Posted by Smoked50 (Member # 9592) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by straightliner1:
If you're running meth, get the car tuned to take advantage of pulling timing when you hit a certain IAT (read: run out of meth). This way you won't melt down the motor WHEN you run the tank dry. That's the smart way to do things while using meth injection.
THIS. that's how my car works, I just check once every morning and I've never ran out of it. You don't really need 2 tunes but I mean if you're driving 5-6 hours straight pushing 10-15 psi the whole way there you might need 2 tunes..
 
Posted by coupe5oh (Member # 10411) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 79 cobra:
quote:
Originally posted by East Bay 50:
quote:
Originally posted by Duncan Motors:
that is if u got a low level indicator, and the other statement it will try to spray under boost, but what if your out of spray and still want to drive and have fun.
Simple, either refill the resovoir with meth so you can get into boost or dont get into boost. Meth is very cheap and easy to get so I do not now what the big deal is. i also relocated my IAT sensor
yes you kan refill it but what your not understanding is that u gotta mess with your air/fuel ratio to get the full benfit of water methanol and when you run out of meth ur car will run exremly lean and kan cus denating of blown head gasket even if your not in boost thats why i said its better to have 2 tunes so if you runn out you just switch it over to the other tune and safe your motor and still have funn thats why the anderson pms allows you to save 3 tunes and its a great tuning device
brett you sound like your gettin mad lol
 
Posted by 93 twintrbo (Member # 10475) on :
 
Meth is a great way to run 91 octane safely on a forced induction car. I have been running it for over 10 years with great results. On a little 6 cylinder I am limited to around 480whp on 91 octane. On meth I can run up to 750whp. Although more than 750whp can be made but I never recommend using meth above that for safety's sake.

Now, meth injector nozzle size and placement is critical to run an efficient set up. Meth only injects ( either progressivly or full on)in boost depending on which kit or system you have. It is nice to run Methanol injection out of the windshield washer tank as most vehicles have a low level sensor in the resivor.

My car has a 1.5 gallon washer tank stock so the tank usually lasts me about 2 months between fill ups. But it all depends on how much you are in the boost level that it activates.

There is no need for 2 tunes as the drivability and off boost is not altered and no meth is spraying. Now, if you are running a turbo system and want a failsafe. You can wire up a simple failsafe to drop the boost down to wastegate pressure if the meth runs dry.

[ May 15, 2012, 10:37 PM: Message edited by: 93 twintrbo ]
 
Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 93 twintrbo:
Meth is a great way to run 91 octane safely on a forced induction car. I have been running it for over 10 years with great results. On a little 6 cylinder I am limited to around 480whp on 91 octane. On meth I can run up to 750whp. Although more than 750whp can be made but I never recommend using meth above that for safety's sake.

Now, meth injector nozzle size and placement is critical to run an efficient set up. Meth only injects ( either progressivly or full on)in boost depending on which kit or system you have. It is nice to run Methanol injection out of the windshield washer tank as most vehicles have a low level sensor in the resivor.

My car has a 1.5 gallon washer tank stock so the tank usually lasts me about 2 months between fill ups. But it all depends on how much you are in the boost level that it activates.

There is no need for 2 tunes as the drivability and off boost is not altered and no meth is spraying. Now, if you are running a turbo system and want a failsafe. You can wire up a simple failsafe to drop the boost down to wastegate pressure if the meth runs dry.
thats pretty good on how long it lasts.
 
Posted by dvuspny (Member # 10949) on :
 
Snow Performance. ....Stage 2 & 3 is what im wanting also! I havevthe reading on few companies. Snow has quite a bit of information available. Start there.....you can always call the manufacturer.
 




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