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Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
Well, it's official. an 03/04 Cobra engine from blower to oil pan and T56 transmission are on its way...and this is going to be transplanted into my 1997 Mustang GT. I know someone on here had done this swap before. Any tips and pointers for this conversion I should know about prior to diving right in?


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Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
The engine includes the wiring harness, minus the ECU and MAF.
 
Posted by sleeping stallion (Member # 8162) on :
 
u rgonna need all the little stuff.
radiator fan coolant resevoir ecm mass air injectors there is a good write up on corral i will try to find it
 
Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
Cool thanks. I believe the injectors, fuel rail, cop, harness are all still on the engine. If you find that link you are awesome
 
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
I have a bunch of Termi swap threads saved on my lap top but they're pretty much all on foxes. If you're interested I can post them later.
 
Posted by ROK5.0 (Member # 8589) on :
 
^^^^I'm interested please post
 
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ROK5.0:
^^^^I'm interested please post
Will do when I get home.
 
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
Here are the Termi swap links I've saved.

http://ff58modswap.bravehost.com/
http://morgancitymustang.com/Projects/Greymare/Greymare.htm
http://www.modularfords.com/f30/parts-list-how-tos-termi-fox-164572/
http://www.modularfords.com/f30/few-pics-my-project-03-into-141915/
http://www.modularfords.com/f30/motor-109834/
 
Posted by underconstructiongt (Member # 7378) on :
 
One of the main things is getting the anti theft system overwrite, if u don't have the key that goes with ur ECU and j believe h also need the gas tank but don't quote me on that one!
 
Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by underconstructiongt:
One of the main things is getting the anti theft system overwrite, if u don't have the key that goes with ur ECU and j believe h also need the gas tank but don't quote me on that one!
How do I overwrite the theft system...I plan on using an 03 ecu so I know I'll run into that issue. So would an entire 03-04 tank work or can I upgrade my pump in my 97? Also will the gauge cluster from an 03 be plug and play? I plan to run a separate boost gauge...so I need find the boost sensor or wire and run that to the gauge. Thanks for the input
 
Posted by 92LxHatch (Member # 11387) on :
 
venomous99 did it on his sn-95 super clean
 
Posted by SLWST50 (Member # 11113) on :
 
I dont mean to hijack or be un-helpful. But I have a 03/04 tank with pumps that id liketo get rid of.. lmk
 
Posted by underconstructiongt (Member # 7378) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by autumnstang97:
quote:
Originally posted by underconstructiongt:
One of the main things is getting the anti theft system overwrite, if u don't have the key that goes with ur ECU and j believe h also need the gas tank but don't quote me on that one!
How do I overwrite the theft system...I plan on using an 03 ecu so I know I'll run into that issue. So would an entire 03-04 tank work or can I upgrade my pump in my 97? Also will the gauge cluster from an 03 be plug and play? I plan to run a separate boost gauge...so I need find the boost sensor or wire and run that to the gauge. Thanks for the input
you need the 4v wiring harness if im not mistaken the stock 97 dash harness will not work with the 03 cluster, the boost hose is easy that should be the least of your worries, may be someone can correct me if im wrong on the dash harness. as far as overwriting the theft a good lock smith should be able to do it for you.
 
Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
How about the the fuel system? Return lines vs return less ect?
 
Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
Anyone
 
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
I don't know how much power you're looking for, but go return style if you can, Lethal has a budget kit.
 
Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
I'm gonna post info I find related to this swap so others can use as reference

Fuel system
http://forums.corral.net/forums/svt-dohc/937534-96-98-cobra-fuel-system-limits.htm
 
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by autumnstang97:
I'm gonna post info I find related to this swap so others can use as reference

Fuel system
http://forums.corral.net/forums/svt-dohc/937534-96-98-cobra-fuel-system-limits.html
you were missing one letter, here's the write link
 
Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
Damn!
Thanks bro!
 
Posted by 19mystic96 (Member # 7553) on :
 
A return style is preferred, aftermarket fuel rails might be a good idea I you haven't decided on them already..

You can have the PATS turned off in a tune.. Or have the computer taken to a tuner and I think they can do it for you there..

As far as the fuel tank, you can use your stock one and upgrade the pump to a 255lph or you can get the pick up tube made my Glenn's performance (which I don't recommend since you can't really run the car below 1/2 tank since it has no baffles inside.) with two inline fuel pumps running parallel.. (overkill if you are just doing a basic swap with and eaton)

As stated above, the 03 cluster won't work because it's an electronic speedo compared to the 97 which is a mechanical.. You would have to run a complete dash harness to run the 03 cluster..
 
Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
So for those who know about tuners, if I plug in my stock 97 gt ECU...can i have a tune created and uploaded?
 
Posted by 19mystic96 (Member # 7553) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by autumnstang97:
So for those who know about tuners, if I plug in my stock 97 gt ECU...can i have a tune created and uploaded?
Im not 100% on the GT computer, but I think you can use the stock 97 computer and have a base tune put onto it to wok for the 4v.

EDIT: Just an idea, not sure if it would work, but maybe you can get a 97 cobra computer.. Maybe it will plug and play with the 97 harness?

[ March 11, 2012, 03:09 AM: Message edited by: 19mystic96 ]
 
Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
Actually I have 98 Cobra computer already so I may be able to just plug that in if i go
That way. Someone one here PM'd me about an 03 cobra ECU which I'm gonna try and pick up soon
 
Posted by 19mystic96 (Member # 7553) on :
 
ive got the heat exchanger hard lines and also the hoses (or at least most of the hoses) if you want them..
 
Posted by autumnstang97 (Member # 6111) on :
 
So I did some homework...so the 03/04 Cobra Engine Harness won't just be able to be plugged into existing harness in the car unless the dash harness is switch over to an 03/04 Cobra.

I heard you can use a stock GT harness, just have to extend a few here and there.

And for the cop set up, I'll have to find that out...
 
Posted by 19mystic96 (Member # 7553) on :
 
Don't kno how good you are at wiring, but here's a guy who did a COP conversion with his 97 2v..

http://forums.tccoa.com/showpost.php?p=675636&postcount=88]TCCoA
 




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