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Posted by sydewayzLX50 (Member # 10217) on
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i just scored a oil cooler from a chp motor, i figure it would be good to install before i take the car to the track this spring. anyone have any links, articles or advice? i have just the sandwich adapter & hoses, and im going to buy a flex-a-lite cooling unit (the one that goes in front of the radiator)
thanks
Posted by 89Rodknocker (Member # 2951) on
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your going to need to tap the cooler into the cooling system. If you add a ft mount it's not going to do anything. The chp cooler runs coolant through it to cool the oil on the hoses.
I'm not sure if anybody makes them anymore but the 93 cobra came with the cooler and maybe the hoses are avail. still.
Posted by sydewayzLX50 (Member # 10217) on
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I have a fluidyne radiator with fittings for trans. cooler lines that arent being used. So just run the cooler hoses to that? Wont that keep the oil too hot?
Posted by 89Rodknocker (Member # 2951) on
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The problem is it need to be ran into moving Coolant, the cobra sandwich cooler run oil throught the center and coolant run around the outside (via the 2 hose barb coming off of the cooler. Sorta like this pic but this is for a new boss 302.
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Posted by 89Rodknocker (Member # 2951) on
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Damn dat pic didn't come out right These are the ones u need. If it's a factory style oil cooler.
http://www.performancepartsinc.com/images/ochoses.jpg
If it's an aftermarket like a fluidyne then the oil would run out to the cooler.
Posted by SteveL (Member # 1241) on
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Originally posted by sydewayzLX50:
I have a fluidyne radiator with fittings for trans. cooler lines that arent being used. So just run the cooler hoses to that? Wont that keep the oil too hot?
It won't be too hot. It depends on the motor but oil temps are normally 40-60 deg above water temps. You do want oil temps at least at 220 to boil off any gasoline or condensation.
The only question is whether that trans cooling section of the radiator can handle the oil pressure. I don't know what transmission pressures are to compare. Fluidyne should be able to answer that. I suspect it would be fine.
Posted by sydewayzLX50 (Member # 10217) on
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Ok i figured it out. I got a oil cooler from a chp motor, i just went and looked at a ex-chp and the inlet comes from the water pump and the outlet goes to the heater pipe on the lower intake. So it basically hooks up inline between to two. Very easy install
Posted by cobra clone nprogrss (Member # 10342) on
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awww,u got a oil cooler now too. oh boy dont want it charger or not!
Posted by sydewayzLX50 (Member # 10217) on
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Originally posted by cobra clone nprogrss:
awww,u got a oil cooler now too. oh boy dont want it charger or not!
Naw i dont want none of that he got a REAL chp, dat shiz hott bluuuuudddd!!!!
Lmao!!!
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on
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I like my explorer oil cooler, finding the right hoses that worked was a bit of a PITA but it works great at keeping the oil temps down.
makes changing the oil filter cleaner too, it even has a little lip on the bottom edge to aim the oil out to the front.
[ December 20, 2011, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: Blind ]
Posted by sydewayzLX50 (Member # 10217) on
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^^^Thats a nice setup, what years had those kind of oil coolers?
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on
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from what I've read it was basically any 5.0 explorer, but it may have been limited to the 4x4's.
Posted by sydewayzLX50 (Member # 10217) on
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Cool, thanks for the info im going to look into it.
Posted by Notch_notch (Member # 8902) on
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Originally posted by Blind:
I like my explorer oil cooler, finding the right hoses that worked was a bit of a PITA but it works great at keeping the oil temps down.
makes changing the oil filter cleaner too, it even has a little lip on the bottom edge to aim the oil out to the front.
Hey blind. Are you using explorer block?
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on
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Originally posted by Notch_notch:
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Originally posted by Blind:
I like my explorer oil cooler, finding the right hoses that worked was a bit of a PITA but it works great at keeping the oil temps down.
makes changing the oil filter cleaner too, it even has a little lip on the bottom edge to aim the oil out to the front.
Hey blind. Are you using explorer block?
nope, just a stock foxbody block, I swapped the explorer cooler onto it. That picture is about 4 years old though, there's a lot more crap in the engine bay now with the a/c, p/s, and procharger on that side.
[ December 25, 2011, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: Blind ]
Posted by Q8_Hatch (Member # 11265) on
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^^^ I've been thinking of doing this a long time ago, but couldn't find any information about which hoses to use, would you mind sharing any info about the hoses you used? did you notice any increase in water temperature? can you use FL-1A filter?
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on
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Originally posted by Blind:
I like my explorer oil cooler, finding the right hoses that worked was a bit of a PITA but it works great at keeping the oil temps down.
makes changing the oil filter cleaner too, it even has a little lip on the bottom edge to aim the oil out to the front.
Do you remember what water pump you where using?
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on
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Originally posted by Q8_Hatch:
^^^ I've been thinking of doing this a long time ago, but couldn't find any information about which hoses to use, would you mind sharing any info about the hoses you used? did you notice any increase in water temperature? can you use FL-1A filter?
Water temp did not change at all, but as you can see I ran a large fluidyne radiator and a mark8 electric fan. Oil temp matched the water temp once this was installed, where as before while out at the track (open track events) it would get up near 280* sometimes.
It uses the fl-820s, which is the same as all modulars and cobra's. It's nice because it's the same filter as the one for my `97, my wifes `08 GT, and my harley truck, so I don't need to keep a stockpile of different kinds on hand in the garage for oil changes.
I used these hoses -
Motorcraft KM3051 hose
Motorcraft KM3065 hose
Going from this install guide -
http://www.dariusrudis.com/mustang/oil_cooler/instructions.html
quote:
Do you remember what water pump you where using?
In that picture I was running a 1985 Crown vic 5.8L waterpump. It spins the opposite direction of the foxbody stock pump allowing me to run the short belt with no p/s or a/c with the stock tensioner setup and ZERO belt slip. I had to drill out the holes on the waterpump pulley a little bit to get it to mount onto the crown vic pump because the bolt pattern was a little larger, otherwise it's just bolt in and go, that was a 43" belt with the smog pump hooked up.
[ December 29, 2011, 09:21 AM: Message edited by: Blind ]
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by Q8_Hatch:
^^^ I've been thinking of doing this a long time ago, but couldn't find any information about which hoses to use, would you mind sharing any info about the hoses you used? did you notice any increase in water temperature? can you use FL-1A filter?
Water temp did not change at all, but as you can see I ran a large fluidyne radiator and a mark8 electric fan. Oil temp matched the water temp once this was installed, where as before while out at the track (open track events) it would get up near 280* sometimes.
It uses the fl-820s, which is the same as all modulars and cobra's. It's nice because it's the same filter as the one for my `97, my wifes `08 GT, and my harley truck, so I don't need to keep a stockpile of different kinds on hand in the garage for oil changes.
I used these hoses -
Motorcraft KM3051 hose
Motorcraft KM3065 hose
Going from this install guide -
http://www.dariusrudis.com/mustang/oil_cooler/instructions.html
quote:
Do you remember what water pump you where using?
In that picture I was running a 1985 Crown vic 5.8L waterpump. It spins the opposite direction of the foxbody stock pump allowing me to run the short belt with no p/s or a/c with the stock tensioner setup and ZERO belt slip. I had to drill out the holes on the waterpump pulley a little bit to get it to mount onto the crown vic pump because the bolt pattern was a little larger, otherwise it's just bolt in and go, that was a 43" belt with the smog pump hooked up.
What year timing cover blind??
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by Q8_Hatch:
^^^ I've been thinking of doing this a long time ago, but couldn't find any information about which hoses to use, would you mind sharing any info about the hoses you used? did you notice any increase in water temperature? can you use FL-1A filter?
Water temp did not change at all, but as you can see I ran a large fluidyne radiator and a mark8 electric fan. Oil temp matched the water temp once this was installed, where as before while out at the track (open track events) it would get up near 280* sometimes.
It uses the fl-820s, which is the same as all modulars and cobra's. It's nice because it's the same filter as the one for my `97, my wifes `08 GT, and my harley truck, so I don't need to keep a stockpile of different kinds on hand in the garage for oil changes.
I used these hoses -
Motorcraft KM3051 hose
Motorcraft KM3065 hose
Going from this install guide -
http://www.dariusrudis.com/mustang/oil_cooler/instructions.html
quote:
Do you remember what water pump you where using?
In that picture I was running a 1985 Crown vic 5.8L waterpump. It spins the opposite direction of the foxbody stock pump allowing me to run the short belt with no p/s or a/c with the stock tensioner setup and ZERO belt slip. I had to drill out the holes on the waterpump pulley a little bit to get it to mount onto the crown vic pump because the bolt pattern was a little larger, otherwise it's just bolt in and go, that was a 43" belt with the smog pump hooked up.
What year timing cover blind??
stock from my donor, so it was an `87 timing cover. My new build I put a later model one on that didn't have that funky casting for a fuel pump just begging to be drilled out.
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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Originally posted by Blind:
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by Blind:
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Originally posted by Q8_Hatch:
^^^ I've been thinking of doing this a long time ago, but couldn't find any information about which hoses to use, would you mind sharing any info about the hoses you used? did you notice any increase in water temperature? can you use FL-1A filter?
Water temp did not change at all, but as you can see I ran a large fluidyne radiator and a mark8 electric fan. Oil temp matched the water temp once this was installed, where as before while out at the track (open track events) it would get up near 280* sometimes.
It uses the fl-820s, which is the same as all modulars and cobra's. It's nice because it's the same filter as the one for my `97, my wifes `08 GT, and my harley truck, so I don't need to keep a stockpile of different kinds on hand in the garage for oil changes.
I used these hoses -
Motorcraft KM3051 hose
Motorcraft KM3065 hose
Going from this install guide -
http://www.dariusrudis.com/mustang/oil_cooler/instructions.html
quote:
Do you remember what water pump you where using?
In that picture I was running a 1985 Crown vic 5.8L waterpump. It spins the opposite direction of the foxbody stock pump allowing me to run the short belt with no p/s or a/c with the stock tensioner setup and ZERO belt slip. I had to drill out the holes on the waterpump pulley a little bit to get it to mount onto the crown vic pump because the bolt pattern was a little larger, otherwise it's just bolt in and go, that was a 43" belt with the smog pump hooked up.
What year timing cover blind??
stock from my donor, so it was an `87 timing cover. My new build I put a later model one on that didn't have that funky casting for a fuel pump just begging to be drilled out.
Great info. Water ports lined up? No cooling issues?
Dan
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by Blind:
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by Q8_Hatch:
^^^ I've been thinking of doing this a long time ago, but couldn't find any information about which hoses to use, would you mind sharing any info about the hoses you used? did you notice any increase in water temperature? can you use FL-1A filter?
Water temp did not change at all, but as you can see I ran a large fluidyne radiator and a mark8 electric fan. Oil temp matched the water temp once this was installed, where as before while out at the track (open track events) it would get up near 280* sometimes.
It uses the fl-820s, which is the same as all modulars and cobra's. It's nice because it's the same filter as the one for my `97, my wifes `08 GT, and my harley truck, so I don't need to keep a stockpile of different kinds on hand in the garage for oil changes.
I used these hoses -
Motorcraft KM3051 hose
Motorcraft KM3065 hose
Going from this install guide -
http://www.dariusrudis.com/mustang/oil_cooler/instructions.html
quote:
Do you remember what water pump you where using?
In that picture I was running a 1985 Crown vic 5.8L waterpump. It spins the opposite direction of the foxbody stock pump allowing me to run the short belt with no p/s or a/c with the stock tensioner setup and ZERO belt slip. I had to drill out the holes on the waterpump pulley a little bit to get it to mount onto the crown vic pump because the bolt pattern was a little larger, otherwise it's just bolt in and go, that was a 43" belt with the smog pump hooked up.
What year timing cover blind??
stock from my donor, so it was an `87 timing cover. My new build I put a later model one on that didn't have that funky casting for a fuel pump just begging to be drilled out.
Great info. Water ports lined up? No cooling issues?
Dan
it lines up just like the stock waterpump does, the only mod being the pulley bolt holes a little larger pattern. I don't know if the `80's crown vic 5.8L is the only one that's perfect, I think a v-belt small block waterpump is all that's important, because those all spin the other way.
Never went over 200* even on 110* days out at willow springs.
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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Originally posted by Blind:
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by Blind:
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by Blind:
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Originally posted by Q8_Hatch:
^^^ I've been thinking of doing this a long time ago, but couldn't find any information about which hoses to use, would you mind sharing any info about the hoses you used? did you notice any increase in water temperature? can you use FL-1A filter?
Water temp did not change at all, but as you can see I ran a large fluidyne radiator and a mark8 electric fan. Oil temp matched the water temp once this was installed, where as before while out at the track (open track events) it would get up near 280* sometimes.
It uses the fl-820s, which is the same as all modulars and cobra's. It's nice because it's the same filter as the one for my `97, my wifes `08 GT, and my harley truck, so I don't need to keep a stockpile of different kinds on hand in the garage for oil changes.
I used these hoses -
Motorcraft KM3051 hose
Motorcraft KM3065 hose
Going from this install guide -
http://www.dariusrudis.com/mustang/oil_cooler/instructions.html
quote:
Do you remember what water pump you where using?
In that picture I was running a 1985 Crown vic 5.8L waterpump. It spins the opposite direction of the foxbody stock pump allowing me to run the short belt with no p/s or a/c with the stock tensioner setup and ZERO belt slip. I had to drill out the holes on the waterpump pulley a little bit to get it to mount onto the crown vic pump because the bolt pattern was a little larger, otherwise it's just bolt in and go, that was a 43" belt with the smog pump hooked up.
What year timing cover blind??
stock from my donor, so it was an `87 timing cover. My new build I put a later model one on that didn't have that funky casting for a fuel pump just begging to be drilled out.
Great info. Water ports lined up? No cooling issues?
Dan
it lines up just like the stock waterpump does, the only mod being the pulley bolt holes a little larger pattern. I don't know if the `80's crown vic 5.8L is the only one that's perfect, I think a v-belt small block waterpump is all that's important, because those all spin the other way.
Never went over 200* even on 110* days out at willow springs.
Great info!
Posted by Q8_Hatch (Member # 11265) on
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Thanks a lot man, great info.
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on
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Originally posted by Blind:
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Originally posted by Q8_Hatch:
^^^ I've been thinking of doing this a long time ago, but couldn't find any information about which hoses to use, would you mind sharing any info about the hoses you used? did you notice any increase in water temperature? can you use FL-1A filter?
Water temp did not change at all, but as you can see I ran a large fluidyne radiator and a mark8 electric fan. Oil temp matched the water temp once this was installed, where as before while out at the track (open track events) it would get up near 280* sometimes.
It uses the fl-820s, which is the same as all modulars and cobra's. It's nice because it's the same filter as the one for my `97, my wifes `08 GT, and my harley truck, so I don't need to keep a stockpile of different kinds on hand in the garage for oil changes.
I used these hoses -
Motorcraft KM3051 hose
Motorcraft KM3065 hose
Going from this install guide -
http://www.dariusrudis.com/mustang/oil_cooler/instructions.html
quote:
Do you remember what water pump you where using?
In that picture I was running a 1985 Crown vic 5.8L waterpump. It spins the opposite direction of the foxbody stock pump allowing me to run the short belt with no p/s or a/c with the stock tensioner setup and ZERO belt slip. I had to drill out the holes on the waterpump pulley a little bit to get it to mount onto the crown vic pump because the bolt pattern was a little larger, otherwise it's just bolt in and go, that was a 43" belt with the smog pump hooked up.
Great thank you Blind ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
That is the same way I'm going to route my belt, I've seen it online but wasn't sure which pump they where running.
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on
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Originally posted by Greasy:
Great thank you Blind That is the same way I'm going to route my belt, I've seen it online but wasn't sure which pump they where running.
it's really the best way to go without a/c or p/s. I tried several other methods, including march alternator brackets with a tensioning rod.
they all had belt squeal on start up, all of them. The only one that worked for me is what's pictured there.
Posted by Jaejae5.0 (Member # 7958) on
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Can I bu that oil cooer new?l
Posted by MUSTTANGUY (Member # 2251) on
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I am currently running this setup on my 97, these were installed on the mid 80 cop cars and taxis
The electric fan is from an 86 Ninja radiator fan and fit perfectly. It is wired into the fan high speed circuit.
[ December 29, 2011, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: MUSTTANGUY ]
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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Originally posted by Jaejae5.0:
Can I bu that oil cooer new?l
F8DZ-6B856-BA
About $150
http://www.schofieldcomputer.com/myCoupe/modules/wordpress/?p=274
Posted by Jaejae5.0 (Member # 7958) on
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by Jaejae5.0:
Can I bu that oil cooer new?l
F8DZ-6B856-BA
About $150
http://www.schofieldcomputer.com/myCoupe/modules/wordpress/?p=274
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