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Posted by Nasty Notch (Member # 8863) on :
 
What's a good brand to get OTHER than dynamat and about how many sq ft will I meet to do my whole car??
 
Posted by 68stanger (Member # 7842) on :
 
there is stuff called peel & seal at Home Depot or was it at Lowels, comes in large rolls and is identical to the Dynamat stuff (not in price)
 
Posted by outlawdragger (Member # 10590) on :
 
Yup hes right,i used that stuff in my hotrod,its at home depot,i bought 3 rolls,60 bucks wentva long ways,works well
 
Posted by Nasty Notch (Member # 8863) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by outlawdragger:
Yup hes right,i used that stuff in my hotrod,its at home depot,i bought 3 rolls,60 bucks wentva long ways,works well
Did u get yours from home depot or lowes??
 
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
lowes carries peel n seal, it's in the roof repair section.

my home depot does not carry it, or anything like it.

I've used it in a few cars and it works better than dynamat extreme, but is otherwise the same stuff for $15/roll

[ August 31, 2011, 12:58 AM: Message edited by: Blind ]
 
Posted by outlawdragger (Member # 10590) on :
 
i got it at home depot
 
Posted by outlawdragger (Member # 10590) on :
 
oh and it doesnt hurt to spray some spray glue first, the stuff comes sticky but it can start to come off a little, ive only used it in my hot rod tho,it doesnt have windows so i think maybe the temp doesnt help.

i did some 3m spray glue to help make it stick, its stuck to my floor pretty good tho. just the doors needed extra stickyness.
 
Posted by Catfish (Member # 9529) on :
 
Only problem is your car will smell like tar for the first week or so lol.
 
Posted by 91SuperchargedNotchOn24s (Member # 10866) on :
 
Fatmat it's identical to dynamat.there's a guy on craigslist that sells it like $90 a roll of 30ft!
 
Posted by 1Sick91 (Member # 6776) on :
 
yea i used fatmat. i ordered it from amazon for two rolls for like 90 dollars i think it was. just peel and cut to size and use the wooden roller.
 
Posted by BLK66FB (Member # 8282) on :
 
I used stuff called B-Quiet. Works great!
 
Posted by outlawdragger (Member # 10590) on :
 
peel and seal doesnt have any tar so....no it wont smell like anything if you use that.
 
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by outlawdragger:
peel and seal doesnt have any tar so....no it wont smell like anything if you use that.
yeah I've used it on 5 cars, never had any funny smells even on really hot days.
 
Posted by outlawdragger (Member # 10590) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by outlawdragger:
peel and seal doesnt have any tar so....no it wont smell like anything if you use that.
yeah I've used it on 5 cars, never had any funny smells even on really hot days.
i have it on the floor,firewall(on the inside) of my hot rod,it gets pretty darn hot and i dont have any complaints, matter of fact i did the whole floor,inner doors, firewall and my roof with it.
 
Posted by Nasty Notch (Member # 8863) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by outlawdragger:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by outlawdragger:
peel and seal doesnt have any tar so....no it wont smell like anything if you use that.
yeah I've used it on 5 cars, never had any funny smells even on really hot days.
i have it on the floor,firewall(on the inside) of my hot rod,it gets pretty darn hot and i dont have any complaints, matter of fact i did the whole floor,inner doors, firewall and my roof with it.
WHAT DID U USE TO CLEAN THE SURFACE??
 
Posted by scotzilla (Member # 6327) on :
 
Cool Car Ceramic- you can spray or brush it on. The glue will never release. Its water based so it doenst stink, it sticks to anything and it doesnt web the corners like dynamat- A 1.5 gallon kit cost a 1/3 or dynomat, goes on quicker and does a better job insulating heat and sound.
 
Posted by outlawdragger (Member # 10590) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Nasty Notch:
quote:
Originally posted by outlawdragger:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by outlawdragger:
peel and seal doesnt have any tar so....no it wont smell like anything if you use that.
yeah I've used it on 5 cars, never had any funny smells even on really hot days.
i have it on the floor,firewall(on the inside) of my hot rod,it gets pretty darn hot and i dont have any complaints, matter of fact i did the whole floor,inner doors, firewall and my roof with it.
WHAT DID U USE TO CLEAN THE SURFACE??
the car i put it in was all brand new, all the steel i had put in myself so it didnt need any cleaning.
 
Posted by kaoticmk2 (Member # 5186) on :
 
I've researched several Brands, from Dynamat, Fatmat, and some generic Gracies Ice/Water shield material, B-Quiet, Raammat, Second Skin, Boom mat, Brown Bag, QuietCar, Brown Bread , Blue skin, Peel&Seal.

I've only run Dynamat and Brown Bag from eBay. I'm also currently installing Peel&Seal on my coupe. Here is a video of Peel&Seal and Fatmatand Dynamat all used on the same car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuZvFwV7xDo
 
Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :
 
Quick question: For guys that have done their whole car (specifically fox bodies) have you noticed a big decrease in cabin noise?
 
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
Quick question: For guys that have done their whole car (specifically fox bodies) have you noticed a big decrease in cabin noise?
no, this stuff stops rattles and resonance. For sound absorption you need to use something like a foam pad.

For that, I use the rolls of green flooring sound absorbing rolls sold at home depot, it's meant to be installed between laminent floor and concrete foundations to absorb sound. Works great in cars. Put the peel `n seal stuff down first, then lay the padding on top of that, then your carpet.

http://www.homedepot.com/Flooring-Laminate-Flooring-Laminate-Tools-Accessories/h_d1/N-5yc1vZba6w/R-100093264/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
 
Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
Quick question: For guys that have done their whole car (specifically fox bodies) have you noticed a big decrease in cabin noise?
no, this stuff stops rattles and resonance. For sound absorption you need to use something like a foam pad.

For that, I use the rolls of green flooring sound absorbing rolls sold at home depot, it's meant to be installed between laminent floor and concrete foundations to absorb sound. Works great in cars. Put the peel `n seal stuff down first, then lay the padding on top of that, then your carpet.

http://www.homedepot.com/Flooring-Laminate-Flooring-Laminate-Tools-Accessories/h_d1/N-5yc1vZba6w/R-100093264/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
thanks [patriot]

At 2mm thickness, do you think doubling or tripling the layers is a good idea?

[ September 11, 2011, 11:02 PM: Message edited by: CLEEN 50 ]
 
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
Quick question: For guys that have done their whole car (specifically fox bodies) have you noticed a big decrease in cabin noise?
no, this stuff stops rattles and resonance. For sound absorption you need to use something like a foam pad.

For that, I use the rolls of green flooring sound absorbing rolls sold at home depot, it's meant to be installed between laminent floor and concrete foundations to absorb sound. Works great in cars. Put the peel `n seal stuff down first, then lay the padding on top of that, then your carpet.

http://www.homedepot.com/Flooring-Laminate-Flooring-Laminate-Tools-Accessories/h_d1/N-5yc1vZba6w/R-100093264/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
thanks [patriot]

At 2mm thickness, do you think doubling or tripling the layers is a good idea?
each roll comes with so much I don't think it would hurt!

That link isn't the exact stuff I used but it's the same idea. Just check out the laminent floor aisle and look for the 3-in-1 style underlayment foam, moisture/sound/heat blocking or something like that. I think what I used was closer to 4mm thick and a solid pine tree green, not transparent like that stuff.

it made a really big difference on the interior of my `97 (only car I've done that to so far). One trick I do is take all the interior panels off and wrap the holes the pins and screws for everything go into with the peel `n seal, gets rid of all the rattles.

[ September 12, 2011, 08:50 AM: Message edited by: Blind ]
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
Quick question: For guys that have done their whole car (specifically fox bodies) have you noticed a big decrease in cabin noise?
no, this stuff stops rattles and resonance. For sound absorption you need to use something like a foam pad.

For that, I use the rolls of green flooring sound absorbing rolls sold at home depot, it's meant to be installed between laminent floor and concrete foundations to absorb sound. Works great in cars. Put the peel `n seal stuff down first, then lay the padding on top of that, then your carpet.

http://www.homedepot.com/Flooring-Laminate-Flooring-Laminate-Tools-Accessories/h_d1/N-5yc1vZba6w/R-100093264/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
thanks [patriot]

At 2mm thickness, do you think doubling or tripling the layers is a good idea?
each roll comes with so much I don't think it would hurt!

That link isn't the exact stuff I used but it's the same idea. Just check out the laminent floor aisle and look for the 3-in-1 style underlayment foam, moisture/sound/heat blocking or something like that. I think what I used was closer to 4mm thick and a solid pine tree green, not transparent like that stuff.

it made a really big difference on the interior of my `97 (only car I've done that to so far). One trick I do is take all the interior panels off and wrap the holes the pins and screws for everything go into with the peel `n seal, gets rid of all the rattles.
I am glad I found this thread. The interior rattles and squeeks drive me up the wall in my '96 Cobra (and that car is better than some of the foxes I've owned in the past lol).

I find that the most problematic areas are the door panels, center console, and rear speaker panels behind the seat. I've literally considered selling the car on the spot and buying German since I am so sensitive to it lol. The door panel squeeking against the door itself is by far the most annoying.

Kevin, when you do the door panels with the peel n seal, do you cover the door itself or the inner panel?

I wish I could just pay someone experienced to do the whole interior!
 
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
Quick question: For guys that have done their whole car (specifically fox bodies) have you noticed a big decrease in cabin noise?
no, this stuff stops rattles and resonance. For sound absorption you need to use something like a foam pad.

For that, I use the rolls of green flooring sound absorbing rolls sold at home depot, it's meant to be installed between laminent floor and concrete foundations to absorb sound. Works great in cars. Put the peel `n seal stuff down first, then lay the padding on top of that, then your carpet.

http://www.homedepot.com/Flooring-Laminate-Flooring-Laminate-Tools-Accessories/h_d1/N-5yc1vZba6w/R-100093264/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
thanks [patriot]

At 2mm thickness, do you think doubling or tripling the layers is a good idea?
each roll comes with so much I don't think it would hurt!

That link isn't the exact stuff I used but it's the same idea. Just check out the laminent floor aisle and look for the 3-in-1 style underlayment foam, moisture/sound/heat blocking or something like that. I think what I used was closer to 4mm thick and a solid pine tree green, not transparent like that stuff.

it made a really big difference on the interior of my `97 (only car I've done that to so far). One trick I do is take all the interior panels off and wrap the holes the pins and screws for everything go into with the peel `n seal, gets rid of all the rattles.
I am glad I found this thread. The interior rattles and squeeks drive me up the wall in my '96 Cobra (and that car is better than some of the foxes I've owned in the past lol).

I find that the most problematic areas are the door panels, center console, and rear speaker panels behind the seat. I've literally considered selling the car on the spot and buying German since I am so sensitive to it lol. The door panel squeeking against the door itself is by far the most annoying.

Kevin, when you do the door panels with the peel n seal, do you cover the door itself or the inner panel?

I wish I could just pay someone experienced to do the whole interior!
I did the metal part of the door.

The only noises on the inside of my `97 now come from the center armrest if I put weight on it creaking, or the plastic door pull handles on the door panels when you pull on them to shut the door. Somebody told me about a trick to put velcro strips on them to the door panels there, but I either used velcro that was too thin or not enough because they still make a little bit of noise.


I absolutely hate rattles, the worst part on my `97 before I tore it apart was the rear seat headrest panel, it squeaked and rattled constantly on the freeway. Now it's quiet other than a bit of the exhaust and a tiny bit of gear whine coming up through the MGW shifter.
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
How long did it take you to do? And you did not do the inside of the door but rather just the part that you see when you remove the inner panel?

I think I just really need to do the doors and the area behind the rear seats and that should cover 80% of the noise I am hearing.

I also notice that the squeaking and popping seems to be temp related too. The hotter it is, the more interior rattles and pops.

I wonder if there are any professional services that would do this for me locally? Maybe some car audio shops?

[ September 12, 2011, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
 
Posted by CLEEN 50 (Member # 5867) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
quote:
Originally posted by Blind:
quote:
Originally posted by CLEEN 50:
Quick question: For guys that have done their whole car (specifically fox bodies) have you noticed a big decrease in cabin noise?
no, this stuff stops rattles and resonance. For sound absorption you need to use something like a foam pad.

For that, I use the rolls of green flooring sound absorbing rolls sold at home depot, it's meant to be installed between laminent floor and concrete foundations to absorb sound. Works great in cars. Put the peel `n seal stuff down first, then lay the padding on top of that, then your carpet.

http://www.homedepot.com/Flooring-Laminate-Flooring-Laminate-Tools-Accessories/h_d1/N-5yc1vZba6w/R-100093264/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
thanks [patriot]

At 2mm thickness, do you think doubling or tripling the layers is a good idea?
each roll comes with so much I don't think it would hurt!

That link isn't the exact stuff I used but it's the same idea. Just check out the laminent floor aisle and look for the 3-in-1 style underlayment foam, moisture/sound/heat blocking or something like that. I think what I used was closer to 4mm thick and a solid pine tree green, not transparent like that stuff.

it made a really big difference on the interior of my `97 (only car I've done that to so far). One trick I do is take all the interior panels off and wrap the holes the pins and screws for everything go into with the peel `n seal, gets rid of all the rattles.
Thanks for this tip [patriot] I'm in the process of taking my whole interior apart for paint so I think I'll take on this project myself before the interior goes back in. I'm gonna pack on a pile of this stuff lol [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
How long did it take you to do? And you did not do the inside of the door but rather just the part that you see when you remove the inner panel?

I think I just really need to do the doors and the area behind the rear seats and that should cover 80% of the noise I am hearing.

I also notice that the squeaking and popping seems to be temp related too. The hotter it is, the more interior rattles and pops.

I wonder if there are any professional services that would do this for me locally? Maybe some car audio shops?
A car audio shop would do this for sure, but they would probably want to use whatever brand stuff they have an account with, not the cheapest stuff possible like I used.

I did the outer skin, and both sides of the inner sheet metal skin of each door, or at least what I was able to gain access to with my arms and the roller (harbor freight is where I got the roller, it was like $5 and looks like a small paint roller but with a hard rubber wheel).

I would say you could easily do both doors and the area behind the rear seats in a weekend.

I did the firewall and everything under the carpet while I was replacing the heatercore of my car, didn't make a huge difference but the a/c feels cooler...
 
Posted by CenCal Five0 (Member # 10533) on :
 
Does anyone have a pic of wat the Peel n seal looks like in its package from the store? I tried both home depot and Lowes but no luck on finding it. Thanks
 
Posted by Blind (Member # 3052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CenCal Five0:
Does anyone have a pic of wat the Peel n seal looks like in its package from the store? I tried both home depot and Lowes but no luck on finding it. Thanks
I don't have one, but google found this, and that looks just like the rolls I used.
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