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Originally posted by C6Z06s_own_50Deep:
S-trim at 10lbs would be my choice....had both combos before and the s-trim on stock parts was a better car to drive and was slightly faster on the street...

for the money though...

http://www.on3performance.com/mustang5.html


do this on a stock bottom end and have a sleeper that makes 400-450RW, drives like stock, and you'll have less money into it than an HCI/Strim setup...

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that sounds like a badass setup.
 

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Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
ON3 has some pretty nice kits for a budget price as well.

Check out the feedback on turbomustangs
 

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Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
If you want to go pretty fast and havent bought anything yet you could always get on3 351 kit which is about 1600 I believe.

Then pick up a used roller 351. Throw some rings and bearings in it. Gap them for the turbo. Put an F cam in it. Get some used eddies, TFS, GT40s...really anything other than stock heads (except like 69 351 4v heads) and bolt it all together, do the work yourself and it will fly.
 

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Posted by cali95gt (Member # 8940) on :
 
S-trim any day of the week over trickflow topend kit... then you could piece together your parts with time and good research...

thats what I did and feel pretty accomplished and satisfied with my parts list
 

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Posted by 707notchback jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
buy a charger..weither it be turbo or super..wish i wouldnt have wasted anytime and went straight to boost
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
With stock worn valve springs those valve's are going to be floating @ 5000 rpm's with supercharger coming in to the party in the low 3000rpm range it won't have a longenough span of useable power rite? Nice hci combo will produce a much wider and useable powerban which eqal's more fun around town or am I wrong? I have had My stang since 1994 and bought a longblock & then threw the boost on it so did'nt ever drive it booseted on stock engine . Still jocking these same part's now Make a good plan before Ya build and with high quality part's You won't need to buy twice! Good luck with the build!
 

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Posted by 707notchback jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 

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Originally posted by SmokinLX:
With stock worn valve springs those valve's are going to be floating @ 5000 rpm's with supercharger coming in to the party in the low 3000rpm range it won't have a longenough span of useable power rite? Nice hci combo will produce a much wider and useable powerban which eqal's more fun around town or am I wrong? I have had My stang since 1994 and bought a longblock & then threw the boost on it so did'nt ever drive it booseted on stock engine . Still jocking these same part's now Make a good plan before Ya build and with high quality part's You won't need to buy twice! Good luck with the build!

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i guess!..lol i dont have worn valve springs soo i want boost
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 

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Originally posted by 707notchback jaejae:

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Originally posted by SmokinLX:
With stock worn valve springs those valve's are going to be floating @ 5000 rpm's with supercharger coming in to the party in the low 3000rpm range it won't have a longenough span of useable power rite? Nice hci combo will produce a much wider and useable powerban which eqal's more fun around town or am I wrong? I have had My stang since 1994 and bought a longblock & then threw the boost on it so did'nt ever drive it booseted on stock engine . Still jocking these same part's now Make a good plan before Ya build and with high quality part's You won't need to buy twice! Good luck with the build!

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i guess!..lol i dont have worn valve springs soo i want boost

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Originally posted by nasty93:
do the hci and youll get to know how to work on your ride and make it run good. then see if u want a power adder...nothin like a 5.0 with a nice cam and heads in my opinion.

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Good advice about learning about working on your own car... Also good advice if you want to be slow.... A 5.0 is not a LS -Based motor picking up gobbs of power from a heads/cam install, you didn't even mention an intake


Blown 5.0 over a Heads/Cam one bro... nothing like the whistle of a S-Trim or Novi..

[ April 14, 2011, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: cali95gt ]
 

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Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :
 

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Originally posted by CobraCoupe:
Can't go wrong with both, boosted hci ftw!!! Let the tires burn

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Originally posted by Madstyle1:
I also want the trick flow top end kit...

As far as on3 are those kits smog legal??

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Originally posted by CobraCoupe:
Can't go wrong with both, boosted hci ftw!!! Let the tires burn

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I am gonna do both... Its all part of my plans... Just dbt know which one to pick up first...

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Can't go wrong with both, boosted hci ftw!!! Let the tires burn

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I am gonna do both... Its all part of my plans... Just dbt know which one to pick up first...

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Why? Single turbo can make enough power with stock heads, intake and cam to split the stock 8.2 non boss block right down the middle........

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Originally posted by turbo50:
Ben (turbogt) made 420RWHP through the AOD

http://www.theturboforums.com/feature_cars/bend.php

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Originally posted by turbo50:
Ben (turbogt) made 420RWHP through the AOD

http://www.theturboforums.com/feature_cars/bend.php

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Whats the benifits of having a turbo over a supercharger?? And why arent they as popular as superchargers??

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Originally posted by turbo50:
Ben (turbogt) made 420RWHP through the AOD

http://www.theturboforums.com/feature_cars/bend.php

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Whats the benifits of having a turbo over a supercharger?? And why arent they as popular as superchargers??

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Originally posted by C6Z06s_own_50Deep:
S-trim at 10lbs would be my choice....had both combos before and the s-trim on stock parts was a better car to drive and was slightly faster on the street...

for the money though...

http://www.on3performance.com/mustang5.html


do this on a stock bottom end and have a sleeper that makes 400-450RW, drives like stock, and you'll have less money into it than an HCI/Strim setup...

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
In my opinion its not worth it...

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
In my opinion its not worth it...

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might be time to pick another hobby .
 

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Posted by C6Z06s_own_50Deep (Member # 5888) on :
 

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
In my opinion its not worth it...

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Originally posted by C6Z06s_own_50Deep:

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
In my opinion its not worth it...

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when you get your HCI/ S-Trim car...you can line it up against an HCI - Turbo car....then we'll see what it is worth...

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Sweet! You guys BOTH running badass GT40 heads?
 

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Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :
 
Imma say this once again, I just want a nice pavement pounder.. Im not trying to smoke everyone that pulls up nxt to me at a light, that would be boring... I can promise u this, you will NOT beat me all the time and you Will respect my s trim and my GT 40s..now get off my thread with that bs..
 

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Posted by C6Z06s_own_50Deep (Member # 5888) on :
 

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
Imma say this once again, I just want a nice pavement pounder.. Im not trying to smoke everyone that pulls up nxt to me at a light, that would be boring... I can promise u this, you will NOT beat me all the time and you Will respect my s trim and my GT 40s..now get off my thread with that bs..

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Originally posted by C6Z06s_own_50Deep:

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In my opinion its not worth it...

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when you get your HCI/ S-Trim car...you can line it up against an HCI - Turbo car....then we'll see what it is worth...

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Sweet! You guys BOTH running badass GT40 heads?

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
Imma say this once again, I just want a nice pavement pounder.. Im not trying to smoke everyone that pulls up nxt to me at a light, that would be boring... I can promise u this, you will NOT beat me all the time and you Will respect my s trim and my GT 40s..now get off my thread with that bs..

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Originally posted by hilltim54:
Ohhh I wasnt reffering to "iron heads"

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I dont really care what heads you are referring to.

You want a pavement pounder just use the stock decent running motor you probably still have in your car and bolt on a nice lil turbo kit.

Itll make more than enough power to make your block a pile of scrap metal and then you can build you a real motor with a real block and a real top end.

Once you have had a few combos, like I have, and played with about 50 of these cars like I have,,, you will start to see where Im comin from.
 

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Posted by 94droptopGT (Member # 4992) on :
 
TURBO>Blower>HCI>Stock
 

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Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :
 
Damn... Started to get a lil hostile on this thread... No hard feelings folks!! Lol
 

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Posted by 707notchback jaejae (Member # 7958) on :
 
lol i wouldnt buy an s trim..that on3 kit is a great deal..and what i like the most is you make more power with less boost..no power robbed from the power it takes to turn the supercharger..and not to mention there isnt any sideload on the crankshaft...i have seen quite a few crank snouts fly off..not that it will happen to you..jus sayin..turbocharge it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBJsYuAMnjU
 

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Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :
 

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Originally posted by 707notchback jaejae:
lol i wouldnt buy an s trim..that on3 kit is a great deal..and what i like the most is you make more power with less boost..no power robbed from the power it takes to turn the supercharger..and not to mention there isnt any sideload on the crankshaft...i have seen quite a few crank snouts fly off..not that it will happen to you..jus sayin..turbocharge it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBJsYuAMnjU

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So Have you decided on what to do?????

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So Have you decided on what to do?????

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Yeah im gonna get an strim on the stock bottom end.. I had the money to buy a complete kit, but some thungs came up that had to be taking car of first.. You know how it is some times... But eventually im gonna get a 408 block(aftermarket stroker) with sime afr heads, performer 2intake and and boost the hell out of it...maybe 18 psi or so... The problem is I dnt know what tranny to go with... I really wanna stay automatic...

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Powerglide! Transbrake with 4k stall
 

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Posted by hilltim54 (Member # 10655) on :
 

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So Have you decided on what to do?????

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Yeah im gonna get an strim on the stock bottom end.. I had the money to buy a complete kit, but some thungs came up that had to be taking car of first.. You know how it is some times... But eventually im gonna get a 408 block(aftermarket stroker) with sime afr heads, performer 2intake and and boost the hell out of it...maybe 18 psi or so... The problem is I dnt know what tranny to go with... I really wanna stay automatic...

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Powerglide! Transbrake with 4k stall

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Originally posted by cali95gt:
So Have you decided on what to do?????

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Yeah im gonna get an strim on the stock bottom end.. I had the money to buy a complete kit, but some thungs came up that had to be taking car of first.. You know how it is some times... But eventually im gonna get a 408 block(aftermarket stroker) with sime afr heads, performer 2intake and and boost the hell out of it...maybe 18 psi or so... The problem is I dnt know what tranny to go with... I really wanna stay automatic...

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Powerglide! Transbrake with 4k stall

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lol.. it will be in daily drivability form.. it might see track time 3 maybe 4 times a year... Im thinkin about doing a t56, or t5 swap just bcuz they are fun to drive... the reason i wanna stay automatic right now is bcuz this my daily driver and is the only car i have at the moment...

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Originally posted by Duncan Motors:
trick flow , then a blower later

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Wow, I can't believe I missed this thread. I must be slipping. As to the OP's question of whether to go boosted or H/C/I. Always go forced induction first. Why? The reasons a-plenty.

1) It WILL make as much power as a top end kit and do so much more smoothly and safely.

2) Assuming you have the correct head unit it WILL be emissions legal

3) If done right it WILL be bullet proof and provide years of motoring bliss.

4) It's a freaking supercharger. it wins at the local turd burger hangout spot and hood pop.

These statements assume the combination will be used mainly on the street and must pass emissions.

As to the rest of the posts. I love reading how GT40 heads are "junk" and that AFR/TFS/Dart/ etc are the only way to go. Let me put this to the reader. I have tested NUMEROUS HCI packages on my own car (it was a test mule after all)on the dyno as well as at the track. My lowly gt40 setup makes within 10% of the power of some of the best numbers on the dyno and runs right on their heels at the track. And I'm running stock valves.... and stock block/rotating assembly.

Here's the problem. Nearly every build I have seen never utilizes the HCI to it's FULL potential. What I mean by this is as follows (this is relevant to the op's question so bare with me).

Why would one buy a high flow set of heads, intake and cam to match and install them on a stock block and call that a performance engine? To me that seems like a waste of time. Will it make better numbers than stock? of course it will but if one were so inclined to make this decision why wouldnt he/she maximize the combination. The answer is simple. Get the right bottom end to compliment your top end. OP, this is a real delima for you. If you were to go HCI only I would strongly suggest getting a fresh block, run at least 10.0:1 compression and go with whatever ad looks the prettiest for your heads and intake. For the cam stick with a custom grind or a F/1.7 combination (TFS stage 1/1.7 freaking rips on that combo as well) I know this combination will easily go mid 11's. hell my lowly gt40 combo ran 11.90's on slicks with all emissions hooked up through cats.

I think you can see where I am going with this. Just get the supercharger. Set it up with a nice, safe tune and go light the tires up. Run whatever heads you happen to walk across for a 20-30 hp increase and call it a day.

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Makea me more confident about gt40s! Now with that being said, would it be a good idea to (just for.the time being) pick up a set of gt40s, explorer intake a tb until I get a better job and what not??
 

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Posted by copcar (Member # 10113) on :
 
Were I to say yes I would so so with some reservation. No need to do the same work twice. Your best bet is to save your cash and get a NEW set of aftermarket heads, intake and 1.7's for the stock cam. Frankly, unless you maximize the entire top end you will be doing yourself a disservice by only buying heads. That said, FI combinations will overcome intake restrictions but at the cost of boost. Remember, boost is a measurement of RESTRICTION and consequently higher intake temps which play a factor in detonation.

Let me reset...

Choose a goal for this combination. Say, 12.50 in the 1/4 or 330 hp at the wheels. Whichever numbers fit your bill (both literally and figurativly). P heads and Explorer intake with 1.7's will mimic a 93 Cobra setup. Just make sure to have the heads and intake gasket matched. Pick up some new lifters and pushrods for added peace of mind. 30# injectors with a 4:1 fmu and a 255 intank will round out an adequate street fuel system... Tune it right, not for power but for reliability....

The list goes on but I think you get the picture. The 302 can be a great platform but do not forget that you have to live with the consequences of the compromises you make to gain power.
 

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Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
GT40 heads have there place. I never called them junk.

Anytime you are deciding whether to run naturally aspirated or a boosted combo, pick the boosted combo.


Either way you are gonna have way fun with anything over that stock headed AOD slug.
 

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Posted by FivePTSlow (Member # 7682) on :
 
I had this same decision to make less than a month ago. I decided to do h/c/i first then boost it later.

Many factors played into my decision. I chose h/c/i first for all of these reasons... Once h/c/i is installed you can just add a supercharger without taking a bunch of stuff off, but if you add a charger first then you will likely have more things to remove to install the h/c/i. There's nothing like the sound of any car with a nice sounding cam in it imo. h/c/i and a basic supercharger setup will make about the same numbers(depending on setup of course), but the supercharger charger will likely cost more(again depending on setup and if buying new or used). Superchargers create a lean condition much easier than h/c/i which could cause you to blow your motor up if you don't tune it properly. When installing the h/c/i you can check the condition of many parts internally. When installing a supercharger lots of people don't check anything they just slap it on and go.

I'm sure there's many more things to consider, but this is all I could think about that influenced my decision.
 

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Posted by onesicklx (Member # 285) on :
 

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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
It will be fine on a stock block. Ran boosted for years 302 then 331 same block. It is still good.

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how much rwhp did your 331 with a blower make? also what track times did you run?

i ask because a 302 heads/cam/intake/blower should be plenty to blow up a stock block. why waste money on a stock block 331 when the braking point of a stock block is around 500-550rwhp...does my logic make sense?
 

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Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 

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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
It will be fine on a stock block. Ran boosted for years 302 then 331 same block. It is still good.

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how much rwhp did your 331 with a blower make? also what track times did you run?

i ask because a 302 heads/cam/intake/blower should be plenty to blow up a stock block. why waste money on a stock block 331 when the braking point of a stock block is around 500-550rwhp...does my logic make sense?

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Originally posted by turbo50:
GT40 heads have there place. I never called them junk.

Anytime you are deciding whether to run naturally aspirated or a boosted combo, pick the boosted combo.


Either way you are gonna have way fun with anything over that stock headed AOD slug.

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