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Posted by Ryan. (Member # 7089) on :
 
Picked a bunch of goodies what do you guys think the power numbers will be with set up? Im hoping for at least 400

-Stock 302 rotating assembly
-e303 cam (i know i know)
-AFR 165s with FRP 1.6 rr
-Eddy performer rpm intake
-BBK 70 mm TB & spacer
-42 lbs injectors
-80 mm c&l maf
-s-trim with 8-10 psi


[ August 16, 2010, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: Ryan. ]
 

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Posted by LILstock3valve (Member # 4702) on :
 
Maybe 375 wheel. More realistic numbers would be 330-350 rwhp 370-385 rwtq
 

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Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on :
 
Thinking with a Tune around 400rwhp
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
What tranny You running? What kind of dyno? What tuning method?
 

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Posted by BLK92NOTCH (Member # 3033) on :
 
My buddy just got his notchback tuned by aed and he has stock 92 short block e303, holley systemax 2, gt40 heads, vortech s-trim 8 psi, 255 fuel pump and 48pound inj and made 440 rwhp
 

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Posted by Ryan. (Member # 7089) on :
 
@smokinLX Stock t5 till dies and what ever dyno and tuning method aed uses

@BLK92NOTCH that gives me hope cause afrs flow better then those


@LILstock3valve hey man rr's look good thanks

[ August 17, 2010, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: Ryan. ]
 

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Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on :
 

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Originally posted by BLK92NOTCH:
My buddy just got his notchback tuned by aed and he has stock 92 short block e303, holley systemax 2, gt40 heads, vortech s-trim 8 psi, 255 fuel pump and 48pound inj and made 440 rwhp

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Originally posted by JohnB:
Ditch the E for a F cam, you'll see big gains.

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Originally posted by JohnB:
Unfortunately, they are only that...suggestions. For a cheap, OTS cam, I'd run a F. If you're concerned about smog, run a TFS 1 cam. It'll pass no problem.

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Originally posted by JohnB:
Unfortunately, they are only that...suggestions. For a cheap, OTS cam, I'd run a F. If you're concerned about smog, run a TFS 1 cam. It'll pass no problem.

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Thanks johnB. I have one more quck question. Whats your opinion on AFM cams. I hear they have a good blower cam?
 

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Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :
 
My opinion is they are, and have been, knock-offs of other cam profiles out there. All the B series cams (Forced Induction) are nearly identical to a comparable Comp cam. Pick up a good used cam and have fun.
 

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Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 
or just spec out a custom cam from AED. Shit back in 2001 my boy Aaron layed down 337 RWHP at 6000RPM on a 157k mile stock short block with a custom cam. Thing should be able to hit 400rwhp with a good cam.
 

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Posted by Ryan. (Member # 7089) on :
 

 

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Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 

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Originally posted by Camara90:
or just spec out a custom cam from AED. Shit back in 2001 my boy Aaron layed down 337 RWHP at 6000RPM on a 157k mile stock short block with a custom cam. Thing should be able to hit 400rwhp with a good cam.

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Forgot to say it was afr 165's, performer rpm, and a custom cam N/A. lol
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
As usual listen to John . F cam is a good blower cam, sure You can get better #'s out of a custom but if You can pick one up for around 100-130 buck's it will serve You well. My coupe has a 306 with AFR 185's, f cam, systemax intake, and s trim with around 12 #'s of boost and it has a non lockup covert with a pretty big stall so dyno #'s were never good but it has ran 128 mph with a conservative 3300 race weight the horsepower calculator put just over 600 fwhp, not too bad for a ittle f cam. I know there is probably anothe 20-30 hp on the table with a custom but I am already in block splitting teritory so Why spend the extra dough? You should be in the same range as Me so You won't need to extract every last bit of power unless You want to push the envelope of the stock block??
 

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Posted by Ryan. (Member # 7089) on :
 

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Originally posted by SmokinLX:
As usual listen to John . F cam is a good blower cam, sure You can get better #'s out of a custom but if You can pick one up for around 100-130 buck's it will serve You well. My coupe has a 306 with AFR 185's, f cam, systemax intake, and s trim with around 12 #'s of boost and it has a non lockup covert with a pretty big stall so dyno #'s were never good but it has ran 128 mph with a conservative 3300 race weight the horsepower calculator put just over 600 fwhp, not too bad for a ittle f cam. I know there is probably anothe 20-30 hp on the table with a custom but I am already in block splitting teritory so Why spend the extra dough? You should be in the same range as Me so You won't need to extract every last bit of power unless You want to push the envelope of the stock block??

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I like it thats bad ass..
what kind of internals are you running?
 

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Posted by Nifty50 (Member # 9987) on :
 
With your boost levels you should be in the 380-390's with a conservitave tune but I'm sure you can reap more power from a cam change (Comp Cams nx282)+ meth injection& 3inch exhaust and you can easily touch over 450-500's on ur combo....
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
Good old stock rebuild! It was rebuilt and in a 93 cobra for a bit before I bought the shortblock for 500 clam's, oh yeah the cobra was pushing over 700 hp 700 tq with the little f cam .
 

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Posted by Nifty50 (Member # 9987) on :
 
That's cool & everything but there's only so much a poor lil stock shortblock can take....anything over 500 is pushin ur limits on a stock shortblock and it's only a matter of time b4 it throws a rod or spins a bearing....
 

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Posted by Ryan. (Member # 7089) on :
 
@smokinLx that is just nuts how did nothing give on that setup??? did have any forged internals or was it somthing like this---

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/LRS-6009E/79-95-Economy-50L-Mustang-Short-Block


@Nifty50 thanks for all the info

[ August 18, 2010, 01:31 AM: Message edited by: Ryan. ]
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 

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Originally posted by Nifty50:
That's cool & everything but there's only so much a poor lil stock shortblock can take....anything over 500 is pushin ur limits on a stock shortblock and it's only a matter of time b4 it throws a rod or spins a bearing....

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Originally posted by Ryan.:
@smokinLx that is just nuts how did nothing give on that setup??? did have any forged internals or was it somthing like this---

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/LRS-6009E/79-95-Economy-50L-Mustang-Short-Block


@Nifty50 thanks for all the info

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Originally posted by Ryan.:
^^^now thats a budjet racer there no dought about it. Makes me wounder about getting a short block from LRS

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Don't get Me wrong I have a pretty stout drivetrain "built AOD with lentech manual valvebody & edge racing converter, detrot locker rear end with 31 spline axel's, 3 angle valve job on the AFR's with titanium keeper's... well You get the idea & the point is You have to cover Your bases if You want to run a 15-20 year old car at 3 times the HP but not all of Us have the money to build everthing bullet proof when We purchase the vehicle so You cut corner's where You can or have to. I have had this car since 1994 so I have had alot of year's to build it up slowly. I am embaressed to admit I stll have the stock brakes on it but like most of Us it is a work in progress and everything will be addressed as money permit's. There will be up's and down's when You start pushing the limits but I learned early on that a daily driver takes alot of stress off of most situation's "having a garage to park & work on Your car in does'nt hurt either" as I have been through 3 engines and 4 tranny's over the last 17 year's and all the little annoying problem's of having almost all aftermarket part's under the hood:D . Enough of Me rambling just put Your's together and drive resposibly and it will treat You rite. Also don't be afraid to shop around and take advantage of other's who have thrown in the towel on their project's to save Yourself a few buck's "before I bought this $500 engine I purchased one from a well know COMPANY and the damn thing did'nt last but 8,000 miles and most of em were before the supercharger" .
 

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Posted by Ryan. (Member # 7089) on :
 
I get what your sayin, I'll probly end up just doing a quick rebuild of the bottom end to freshin it up, a better cam and call it a day. Because like you said we cant all build a bullet proof tank. Descent parts can go a long way, I can probly get away with spending around 500-700 bucks on the bottom end and have a nasty little setup
 

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