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Posted by lsxoo7 (Member # 8587) on :
 
well shit my car 87 notch has been sitting here in my drive way since jan with a new set up ..

its a 306ci x cam and edelbrock heads and full exhaust x pipe & intake ..

i cant get it running good ... it will turn on and run but only when steping on the gas almost impossible to drive ..

it ran really good before with gt40 heads and b cam .. spun a rod bearing put new motor in and differnt cam and heads now i cant get it running well ...

ive tried to time it multiple times but after 1 or 2 hours i give up ..

late last year i did a mass conversion and it ran well for a few weeks (but always ran real ruff at start up and after running it a few miles it ran great !) then i spun the rod bearing and replaced the motor .. and im saying fuck it !

i need a shop that diagnose it and tell me whats wrong with .. or if it is just timing sumone to time it and getting running good like it was before the x cam new motor and heads ...

so someone anyone help !! lol im about to dump my lil notch !

im in the central valley and need a hook up ...
 
Posted by 91fox (Member # 7842) on :
 
try and pull some codes first
 
Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
where in the valley are you? i can't remember. you tried your tps setting? try pulling codes if you can get any.. don't give up....this is just a little set back.. [patriot]
 
Posted by lsxoo7 (Member # 8587) on :
 
im out in patterson about 45 min form stockton war horse .. i bought a few things off u .. motors rims ..

but yeah i dnt really knw how to pull codes or check tps stuff .. this is my first mustang ..

and it was running great before all the new stuff .. and i had tore the motor aprat pulled it in and out like 4 times before this last time and its just getting annoying .. i drove it down the street a lil and it stayed on a bit longer but would still die as soon as i let off the gas ..

im just fed up with it and would rather sumone show up and fix it .. for a good price or have a shop look at it and give it back to me in tip top shape .. i have a few other projects and this is the only one stressing me out !! lol ..
 
Posted by lsxoo7 (Member # 8587) on :
 
plus when i stick the timing gun on it , it just jumps around .. can get it to stay smooth on 10 so yaaa ! who would have tought the least complicated project i have is giving me the most problems ! lol...
 
Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lsxoo7:
plus when i stick the timing gun on it , it just jumps around .. can get it to stay smooth on 10 so yaaa ! who would have tought the least complicated project i have is giving me the most problems ! lol...
have you tried putting on a different plug wire to time it? and yeah i remember you. thats why i know the motor runs..and what shape is your balancer in?
 
Posted by lsxoo7 (Member # 8587) on :
 
ill try pulling 1 wire at a time .. and the balancer is old .. might be bad .. im not too sure ...

im having a friend come help me work on it this monday .. so hopefully i get it running a bit better but i dunno ...

atleast the motor and combo sounds good and strong thats the only thing i have to look forward to when i get it done and running !
 
Posted by bigstangs (Member # 7920) on :
 
sounds like you did not disconnect the spout connector when you did your timing
 
Posted by Venomousnotch (Member # 8695) on :
 
SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A BAD HARMONIC BALANCER...THE RUBBER LINER INSIDE HAS PROBABLY BEGAN TO CRACK AND MOVE AROUND AND THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T GET IT TIMED RIGHT...YOU SHOULD GET A NEW ONE.BUT IF YOU DO GET A NEW ONE GET A PERFORMANCE ONE.AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY MORE PROBLEMS TIMING YOU'RE CAR...THANX LMK
 
Posted by quickblue302 (Member # 7912) on :
 
I had a Buddy with a that problem, it ended up being a worn distribtor. lmk [Smile]
 
Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
Are your heads stud or pedestal mount? If they are stud you might have adjusted them wrong.
 
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on :
 
Did you check your piston to valve clearance when putting on the new heads and installing the x cam?

What does your compression look like?

Start with the extreme basics.
 
Posted by 1965FALCOON (Member # 8773) on :
 
DID YOU DEGREE THE CAM? NOT TRYING TO BE AN ASS BUT I HAVE SEEN MANY PEOPLE IN A HURRY JUST PUT THE CAM GEAR AND TIMMING CHAIN ON AND NOT RECHECK THE MARKS AFTER 2 ROTATIONS OF THE MOTOR IT REALLY SOUNS LIKE THE CAM TIMMING COULD BE OFF DO YOU HAVE ANY MSD STUFF OR AFTER MARKET IGNITION BOXES THEY CAN CAUSE ALL KINDS OF FUN ISSUES TO TRY AND FIND ANY TIME I HAVE A PROBLEM LIKE THIS I ALWAYS GO BACK AND CHECK THE BASICS MAKE EVERYTHING AS STOCK AS POSSIBLE FOR DIAGNOSTIC PURPOSES LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU FIND PLEASE
 
Posted by 73 on DUBS (Member # 5677) on :
 
U CANT TIME AN X CAM TO 10 DEGREES U NEED ATLEAST 14 DEGREES AND DISCONNET THE CAP ON THE DISTRIBUTOR HARNESS WHEN U TIME IT WHEN UR DONE
TURN CAR OFF AND PLUG IT BACK UP U MITE HAVE TO PLAY WITH IDLE ADJUSTER
 
Posted by 2SIK GT (Member # 3381) on :
 
WHAT ABOUT THE PUSHRODS ARE THEY THE RIGHT SIZE THEY COULD HAVE BEEN 2 SHORT BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE VALVES ARE NOT ADJUSTED RITE
 
Posted by 306mustang (Member # 9204) on :
 
did you ever figure out the problem?mines is doing the same thing rite now cant figure it out
 
Posted by lsxoo7 (Member # 8587) on :
 
well i figured out the probelm . and yes the cam was installed right . it also had the right pushrods and the distributor was the right one and it was also timed right .. problem was with the balancer .. poor thing was busted ..when i removed it it u could move the outside ring from the inside by hand . when i took it off it came aprt in 2 pieces . installed a new one and car ran alooot better .

but just parted out the complete thing a few days agot to pick up a new one ..

so like everyone is saying . check out the basics first !!
 




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