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Posted by ROK5.0 (Member # 8589) on :
 
So in a couple of weeks I'm going to be buying some heads for my Ford & I boiled it down to 2 choices the trickflow twisted wedge or the AFR 185 so if any of you could supply all opinions & information to help me make my choice it wold greatly be apreciated.
 

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Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on :
 
What motor is it going on? What are your goals for HP, smog, drivability, price, etc?
 

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Posted by CMP (Member # 8955) on :
 
The afr 165s are comparable to the out of the box twisted wedge heads. The 185s will flow better, but it may be too big for your application if you have a stockish motor. If I am not mistaken the 185s will require the pistons to be notched on most stock piston combos. TFS has better heads too (their CNC jobs)so the choices are endless.
 

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Posted by ROK5.0 (Member # 8589) on :
 
looking for at least 300 hp to the ground...has to pass smog...price doesn't matter...its going on a 302...will be a daily drive for a little while
 

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Posted by 5LiterSpeeder (Member # 8234) on :
 
TrickFlows are problem free, just bolt down and haul some ass!One of my cars has them along with an F cam and a TFS-R intake and it put down 292RWHP and 300RWTQ. +1 for Trick Flow

[ February 19, 2009, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: 5LiterSpeeder ]
 

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Posted by jordan_0806 (Member # 5888) on :
 

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Originally posted by ROK5.0:
looking for at least 300 hp to the ground...has to pass smog...price doesn't matter...its going on a 302...will be a daily drive for a little while

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then go Trick Flow!
 

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Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on :
 
AFR 185's .. epik has edel 2.02 intake valves with a ecam making 300rwhp
 

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Posted by ROK5.0 (Member # 8589) on :
 
TFS 3 & AFR 1...plz more opinions & information
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 
afr 165's or 185's, custom cam, rpm2 intake manifold and u will see easy 300

all smog legal too

[ February 19, 2009, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: F8LSN8K ]
 

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Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on :
 
Here are a couple of options

Twisted Wedge heads, TFS stage 1 cam, and a TFS Street Heat intake

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AFR 165 heads, custom cam, Edelbrock Performer intake.
 

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Posted by ROK5.0 (Member # 8589) on :
 
I have a F303 cam that I'm going to use & I was thinking of going with the gt40 intake
 

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Posted by nayr (Member # 8820) on :
 
i had a set of tric flows on my chevy and they ran good but when i tore them a part had 4 broken valve springs just my experiace dont like the springs they use
 

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Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on :
 

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Originally posted by ROK5.0:
I have a F303 cam that I'm going to use & I was thinking of going with the gt40 intake

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GT40 intake will work great. My recommendation is to port the lower and the TB opening for some extra flow. In that case AFR165's or TFS heads will work great.

TFS is a great bang for the buck IMO
 

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Posted by ROK5.0 (Member # 8589) on :
 
so far I gather that the AFR's flow a lil bit bettr but the TFS are lil bit less expensive...has anyone had or heard of any problems as far as mechanically or installment wise with a 302?
 

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Posted by 2SIK GT (Member # 3381) on :
 
my buddy had afr a 185 setup on his 351 and i had a a set of twisted wedge on my 302...... we both had full bolt on........ his car didnt even see mine... TFS makes good heads and thier cnc work is sick....my friend had bad experiances with the AFR's ....maybe its just his heads but both heads i think are good.... i RUN trickflow on my stroker and it rips .....
 

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Posted by HaulinAss Motorsports (Member # 541) on :
 
My car put down over 400rwhp with a set of TFS TW heads, and that was N/A. Should be high 5xx or better on N20

I havent had a good experiance with last few sets of AFR heads Ive delt with

And as always the good ole reliable Edelbrock Heads/Intake combo will always make good power with a good cam the right bolt ons. 300rwhp is easily obtainable with this combo, and you can find Edelbrock stuff for decent prices!
 

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Posted by SF Coupe (Member # 1810) on :
 
My AFR 165 combo makes 321rwhp/339rwtq. It's a 302 with a custom cam and performer intake.

AFR's do have their issues though. The springs they come with are crap and the threaded holes are a little weak. I had mine heli-coiled.
 

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Posted by ROK5.0 (Member # 8589) on :
 
ok seems unanimous to me that TFS is the better choice so that's what Im going with...but which one's should I gwt to go on my 302 that will pass smog
 

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Posted by 2SIK GT (Member # 3381) on :
 
the regular twisted wedge not track heat or r series heads
 

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Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on :
 

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Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
My car put down over 400rwhp with a set of TFS TW heads, and that was N/A. Should be high 5xx or better on N20

I havent had a good experiance with last few sets of AFR heads Ive delt with

And as always the good ole reliable Edelbrock Heads/Intake combo will always make good power with a good cam the right bolt ons. 300rwhp is easily obtainable with this combo, and you can find Edelbrock stuff for decent prices!

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Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
My car put down over 400rwhp with a set of TFS TW heads, and that was N/A. Should be high 5xx or better on N20

I havent had a good experiance with last few sets of AFR heads Ive delt with

And as always the good ole reliable Edelbrock Heads/Intake combo will always make good power with a good cam the right bolt ons. 300rwhp is easily obtainable with this combo, and you can find Edelbrock stuff for decent prices!

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what was your set up that made over 400hp with tfs heads?

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X 2?
 

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Posted by HaulinAss Motorsports (Member # 541) on :
 

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Originally posted by 87droptop50:

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Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
My car put down over 400rwhp with a set of TFS TW heads, and that was N/A. Should be high 5xx or better on N20

I havent had a good experiance with last few sets of AFR heads Ive delt with

And as always the good ole reliable Edelbrock Heads/Intake combo will always make good power with a good cam the right bolt ons. 300rwhp is easily obtainable with this combo, and you can find Edelbrock stuff for decent prices!

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what was your set up that made over 400hp with tfs heads?

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Oh I cant give out all the secrets But Ill tell you this, they are not R Heads or Hi-Ports
 

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Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
Was that a stock bottom end?
 

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Posted by 5LiterSpeeder (Member # 8234) on :
 

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Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:

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Originally posted by 87droptop50:

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Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
My car put down over 400rwhp with a set of TFS TW heads, and that was N/A. Should be high 5xx or better on N20

I havent had a good experiance with last few sets of AFR heads Ive delt with

And as always the good ole reliable Edelbrock Heads/Intake combo will always make good power with a good cam the right bolt ons. 300rwhp is easily obtainable with this combo, and you can find Edelbrock stuff for decent prices!

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what was your set up that made over 400hp with tfs heads?

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Oh I cant give out all the secrets But Ill tell you this, they are not R Heads or Hi-Ports

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Kinda hard to believe these numbers if they weren't coming from a stroker motor.
 

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Posted by threethirty1 (Member # 7814) on :
 
Ive seen plenty of twisted wedge combos............in my rear view.
 

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Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 

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Originally posted by threethirty1:
Ive seen plenty of twisted wedge combos............in my rear view.

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Good for you

[ February 20, 2009, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: Greasy ]
 

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Posted by warhorse58gt (Member # 7702) on :
 
i have ran both heads on same short block. the 165 afr's are a full tenth faster than the trick flow's. i have ran 12.61 1.66 60ft with trickflow's.
so far with the afr's 12.52 1.78 60ft. with a smog legal combo... well i don't have cats, but other than that smog legal..
 

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Posted by HaulinAss Motorsports (Member # 541) on :
 

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Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:

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Originally posted by 87droptop50:

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Originally posted by HaulinAss Motorsports:
My car put down over 400rwhp with a set of TFS TW heads, and that was N/A. Should be high 5xx or better on N20

I havent had a good experiance with last few sets of AFR heads Ive delt with

And as always the good ole reliable Edelbrock Heads/Intake combo will always make good power with a good cam the right bolt ons. 300rwhp is easily obtainable with this combo, and you can find Edelbrock stuff for decent prices!

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what was your set up that made over 400hp with tfs heads?

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Oh I cant give out all the secrets But Ill tell you this, they are not R Heads or Hi-Ports

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Kinda hard to believe these numbers if they weren't coming from a stroker motor.

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Never said it was or it wasnt a "stroker motor" Damn people still call them that, LOL!
 

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Posted by 2SIK GT (Member # 3381) on :
 
AFR's .......... left in tyhe dust
 

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Posted by 5LiterSpeeder (Member # 8234) on :
 
If that's the case it has nothing to do with this topic right?(Stroker=NOT 302)"looking for at least 300 hp to the ground...has to pass smog...price doesn't matter...its going on a 302...will be a daily drive for a little while"
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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Originally posted by 5LiterSpeeder:
If that's the case it has nothing to do with this topic right?(Stroker=NOT 302)"looking for at least 300 hp to the ground...has to pass smog...price doesn't matter...its going on a 302...will be a daily drive for a little while"

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Originally posted by F8LSN8K:
afr 165's or 185's, custom cam, rpm2 intake manifold and u will see easy 300

all smog legal too

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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
AFR's do have their issues though. The springs they come with are crap...

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Originally posted by SF Coupe:
AFR's do have their issues though. The springs they come with are crap...

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AFR is running a whole new hardware package with the same components off their LSX heads, including a different spring and 8mm valves. From what I've heard this is a huge improvement over their previous standard hardware package.

I've had nothing but success with the last 4 sets of AFR heads I've had, and I just ordered a set of 165s from ADPERFORMACE for a stock bottom end combo I'm putting together.

-dan

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+2 ADPERFORMANCE AFR'S
 

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Posted by CMP (Member # 8955) on :
 
The AFR vs TrickFlow is one of those old..I mean OLD debates from yester-year. I can't believe it is coming up

Both heads are good tfs tw are comparable to the AFR165's. Really close. The tfs are a bit rawer (can get more porting done after the fact), but out of the box both of these heads are good for a 302. No problems with either, really.

Let the rest of the combination dictate what heads you want. You can't go wrong either way if your coming from stock heads
 

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Posted by Eddie510- (Member # 2354) on :
 
go edelbrocks and you should see 300hp. some people forget about those heads.
 

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Posted by Greasy (Member # 5258) on :
 
Because the only good Edlebrock head is the Victor Jr.
 

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