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Posted by powermelissa (Member # 7118) on :
 
You guys are never going to believe what we're doing! Check out this Mustang we're putting an LSX engine in:

http://www.nmratv.com/index.php?stream=http://www.streetlegaltv.com/video/features/Heretic-P1_Intro.flv&playlist=1

Now this is a true Mustang Heretic!
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
Damnit!
Somebody beat me to it!
Although I want an all-motor LSX in a Fox Coupe with a Turbo 400 be hind it...
 

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Posted by BlueBeast88.306 (Member # 6360) on :
 
If I ever drop a GM engine into a Ford I will have to kick my own ass!
 

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If I ever drop a GM engine into a Ford I will have to kick my own ass!

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If I ever drop a GM engine into a Ford I will have to kick my own ass!

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if I don't kick it first...

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supra killer!

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Originally posted by BlueBeast88.306:
If I ever drop a GM engine into a Ford I will have to kick my own ass!

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Originally posted by BlueBeast88.306:
If I ever drop a GM engine into a Ford I will have to kick my own ass!

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Originally posted by BlueBeast88.306:
If I ever drop a GM engine into a Ford I will have to kick my own ass!

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Originally posted by cummins:
What's wrong with dropping an lsx into a stang?

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not a damn thing
 

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Posted by HaulinAss Motorsports (Member # 541) on :
 

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Originally posted by 1fast281:
I'm planning on getting a C4 Vette and putting a Ford powerplant into it...

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huh...............weird
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
everything is wrong with putting a GM in a Ford, To many wicked Fast Fords out there to even bother with the chev junk.
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 

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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
everything is wrong with putting a GM in a Ford, To many wicked Fast Fords out there to even bother with the chev junk.

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Posted by HaulinAss Motorsports (Member # 541) on :
 
LOL

Ford For Life Dude WHO gives a shit as longs as it hauls ass! There are more and more GM Powered Mustangs in racing these days,get used to it
 

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Posted by ported8650*pbr* (Member # 6602) on :
 
So let me get this straight, let's spend 4 grand for a used 300 hp ls1 that will only run for 90k miles or build a roller ford for 4 grand and make 400 hp and go 200k miles. Hmmmm what would you choose?!?
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
I'm a die hard Ford lover, but if there's a better power plant out there I'll be the first one to admit it. There's no comparison IMO. The LS series motors are superior to a SBF.
The only heads I know of for a SBF that can compare (power wise) are the CHI heads (cleveland style). & Even then I think the LS7 heads are damn close.

Behond that a lot of the benefits come in the weight department. The Aluminum LS1/LS2 blocks are a good 75+lbs lighter than a 302 (let alone a 351!). Same with the heads....an LS1 head weighs 15+lbs lighter than an aluminum SBF head. All this with the displacement equivilent to a 9.5 deck SBF motor. The EFI intake of the LS series is superior to the EFI Ford, the head design is superior, the blocks can handle more power, they're a 'Y' block design which gives more main support. Coil on plug......now Edelbrock has a line of carburator style inakes for them....
The SBF has it's advantages too.....like a MUCH lighter rotating assembly, but advantages of the LS out weighs the shortcomings IMO.

A buddy around here has an odd-ball 11:1 compression 383 LS1 with box-stock ETP 225cc heads, Edelbrock intake, Accufab 4-barrel TB, hydrualic roller camshaft, & longtubes...still uses the stock rocker arms. Damn thing puts out over 500RWHP from 5800rpm to over 7000rpm on pump gas through an Auto. At 3550lbs with the wrong gearing & a super loose converter it's run 10.56 @131.9mph on MOTOR. Imagine this motor in a Fox coupe with a raceweight under 3000lbs in a car with full interior, no serious weight reduction. 9's @135+MPH on pump gas driving to/from the track. Fully streetable/reliable 9's on crap CA gas.....now THAT is a motor/car combo!
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
you have to be kidding me. Go build your self a 383 SBF ford one of these days and then compare. You are comparing what you have built which are Ford engines that are close to 40 cubes smaller....... If you go to the real Ford engine builder pages you will find plenty of 9 sec NA street driven Fox bodies. With stroker SBF windsor engines.
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 

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you have to be kidding me. Go build your self a 383 SBF ford one of these days and then compare. You are comparing what you have built which are Ford engines that are close to 40 cubes smaller....... If you go to the real Ford engine builder pages you will find plenty of 9 sec NA street driven Fox bodies. With stroker SBF windsor engines.

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Originally posted by 93PONY:
I'm a die hard Ford lover, but if there's a better power plant out there I'll be the first one to admit it. There's no comparison IMO. The LS series motors are superior to a SBF.
The only heads I know of for a SBF that can compare (power wise) are the CHI heads (cleveland style). & Even then I think the LS7 heads are damn close.

Behond that a lot of the benefits come in the weight department. The Aluminum LS1/LS2 blocks are a good 75+lbs lighter than a 302 (let alone a 351!). Same with the heads....an LS1 head weighs 15+lbs lighter than an aluminum SBF head. All this with the displacement equivilent to a 9.5 deck SBF motor. The EFI intake of the LS series is superior to the EFI Ford, the head design is superior, the blocks can handle more power, they're a 'Y' block design which gives more main support. Coil on plug......now Edelbrock has a line of carburator style inakes for them....
The SBF has it's advantages too.....like a MUCH lighter rotating assembly, but advantages of the LS out weighs the shortcomings IMO.

A buddy around here has an odd-ball 11:1 compression 383 LS1 with box-stock ETP 225cc heads, Edelbrock intake, Accufab 4-barrel TB, hydrualic roller camshaft, & longtubes...still uses the stock rocker arms. Damn thing puts out over 500RWHP from 5800rpm to over 7000rpm on pump gas through an Auto. At 3550lbs with the wrong gearing & a super loose converter it's run 10.56 @131.9mph on MOTOR. Imagine this motor in a Fox coupe with a raceweight under 3000lbs in a car with full interior, no serious weight reduction. 9's @135+MPH on pump gas driving to/from the track. Fully streetable/reliable 9's on crap CA gas.....now THAT is a motor/car combo!

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But I'm mainly talking about a car that is avaliable with an all aluminum 4.6 that has 24 valves is super light, and with stock internals and a Pro-Charger has put out around 700hp at 281ci. I'm sure each make has advantages, but when you take the stock engine with that much of a displacement difference and get that much power, it seems pointless. Not to mention if you go with a built 24 valve with heads,cams and forged rotating/reciprocating assembly, etc. the potential is pretty awesome.

But hey, put what ever you want in your car. I was just saying I'll NEVER put a GM engine in the same garage as my car. Besides it's more fun to smoke LS1,7,X "whatevers" with a measly 281ci or 306 ci anyway.
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
that is your opinion on it dominating. Since it is not allowed you can only guess. Are 5.4 dual overhead camed N/A Ford engines allowed in the competitions?

[ February 11, 2007, 02:45 AM: Message edited by: 2stangs69-91 ]
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 

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I'm a die hard Ford lover, but if there's a better power plant out there I'll be the first one to admit it. There's no comparison IMO. The LS series motors are superior to a SBF.
The only heads I know of for a SBF that can compare (power wise) are the CHI heads (cleveland style). & Even then I think the LS7 heads are damn close.

Behond that a lot of the benefits come in the weight department. The Aluminum LS1/LS2 blocks are a good 75+lbs lighter than a 302 (let alone a 351!). Same with the heads....an LS1 head weighs 15+lbs lighter than an aluminum SBF head. All this with the displacement equivilent to a 9.5 deck SBF motor. The EFI intake of the LS series is superior to the EFI Ford, the head design is superior, the blocks can handle more power, they're a 'Y' block design which gives more main support. Coil on plug......now Edelbrock has a line of carburator style inakes for them....
The SBF has it's advantages too.....like a MUCH lighter rotating assembly, but advantages of the LS out weighs the shortcomings IMO.

A buddy around here has an odd-ball 11:1 compression 383 LS1 with box-stock ETP 225cc heads, Edelbrock intake, Accufab 4-barrel TB, hydrualic roller camshaft, & longtubes...still uses the stock rocker arms. Damn thing puts out over 500RWHP from 5800rpm to over 7000rpm on pump gas through an Auto. At 3550lbs with the wrong gearing & a super loose converter it's run 10.56 @131.9mph on MOTOR. Imagine this motor in a Fox coupe with a raceweight under 3000lbs in a car with full interior, no serious weight reduction. 9's @135+MPH on pump gas driving to/from the track. Fully streetable/reliable 9's on crap CA gas.....now THAT is a motor/car combo!

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But I'm mainly talking about a car that is avaliable with an all aluminum 4.6 that has 24 valves is super light, and with stock internals and a Pro-Charger has put out around 700hp at 281ci. I'm sure each make has advantages, but when you take the stock engine with that much of a displacement difference and get that much power, it seems pointless. Not to mention if you go with a built 24 valve with heads,cams and forged rotating/reciprocating assembly, etc. the potential is pretty awesome.

But hey, put what ever you want in your car. I was just saying I'll NEVER put a GM engine in the same garage as my car. Besides it's more fun to smoke LS1,7,X "whatevers" with a measly 281ci or 306 ci anyway.

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Originally posted by 2stangs69-91:
that is your opinion on it dominating. Since it is not allowed you can only guess. Are 5.4 dual overhead camed N/A Ford engines allowed in the competitions?

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I'm a die hard Ford lover, but if there's a better power plant out there I'll be the first one to admit it. There's no comparison IMO. The LS series motors are superior to a SBF.
The only heads I know of for a SBF that can compare (power wise) are the CHI heads (cleveland style). & Even then I think the LS7 heads are damn close.

Behond that a lot of the benefits come in the weight department. The Aluminum LS1/LS2 blocks are a good 75+lbs lighter than a 302 (let alone a 351!). Same with the heads....an LS1 head weighs 15+lbs lighter than an aluminum SBF head. All this with the displacement equivilent to a 9.5 deck SBF motor. The EFI intake of the LS series is superior to the EFI Ford, the head design is superior, the blocks can handle more power, they're a 'Y' block design which gives more main support. Coil on plug......now Edelbrock has a line of carburator style inakes for them....
The SBF has it's advantages too.....like a MUCH lighter rotating assembly, but advantages of the LS out weighs the shortcomings IMO.

A buddy around here has an odd-ball 11:1 compression 383 LS1 with box-stock ETP 225cc heads, Edelbrock intake, Accufab 4-barrel TB, hydrualic roller camshaft, & longtubes...still uses the stock rocker arms. Damn thing puts out over 500RWHP from 5800rpm to over 7000rpm on pump gas through an Auto. At 3550lbs with the wrong gearing & a super loose converter it's run 10.56 @131.9mph on MOTOR. Imagine this motor in a Fox coupe with a raceweight under 3000lbs in a car with full interior, no serious weight reduction. 9's @135+MPH on pump gas driving to/from the track. Fully streetable/reliable 9's on crap CA gas.....now THAT is a motor/car combo!

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But I'm mainly talking about a car that is avaliable with an all aluminum 4.6 that has 24 valves is super light, and with stock internals and a Pro-Charger has put out around 700hp at 281ci. I'm sure each make has advantages, but when you take the stock engine with that much of a displacement difference and get that much power, it seems pointless. Not to mention if you go with a built 24 valve with heads,cams and forged rotating/reciprocating assembly, etc. the potential is pretty awesome.

But hey, put what ever you want in your car. I was just saying I'll NEVER put a GM engine in the same garage as my car. Besides it's more fun to smoke LS1,7,X "whatevers" with a measly 281ci or 306 ci anyway.

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You mean 32 Valve?
I've got a few 4.6 4V projects going.... I'd take a Windsor based motor over a 4V ANY DAY!
3.552" bore!?! Small-bore to fit in front wheel drive cars. This is the biggest factor limiting the performance potential of these motors.
Sure the 4V's heads flow great.....they should, damn intake/exhaust port volume is HUGE. The need all the stroke they can get to make any sort of bottome end. Stock they have more stroke than a 351.
Can't bore the damn things much either (which is what the really need!).... The 'big bore' setup is 3.70" & costs a grip. (I have a $4800 world products block in the shop....that's a BARE un-machined block.)
There's no cam bearings. Run it low on oil just once & you run the risk of damaging the $1500 heads behond repair. These are Steel camshafts in Aluminum heads with nothing but oil between them. Same with running the wrong viscosity oil....had a customer run 20W-50 on an 01 Cobra once. Timing chian tensioners couldn't bleed off enough pressure.... stretched the intermediate chains (between the 2 cams), pulling the cams towards each other melting the aluminum of the cam journals.....the chains broke destroying $1K in valvetrain components. (lash adjusters are $10 each, same with rockers & there's 32 of each). Not to mention the cost of new heads/cams/timing chains/tensioners/guides/gears. That's one hell of an expensive oil change!
Intake design sucks....the plenum sits lower than the heads in the the lifter valley... Run a wet shot of N2O through there & there's a serious risk of fuel puddling in the bottom of the plenum & causing a huge nitrous backfire.
The 2V stuff is even worse. Damn head design sucks ass. The 'hot spot' in the head is the sparkplug boss. Ford had to put an airflow deflector impeading intake airflow to force the incoming air accross the sparkplug in an effort to cool the damn thing down. Ever wonder why they spit sparkplugs? When the detonate the aluminum spark plug boss melts. There's 3.5 threads holding in the sparkplug.....melt off a few threads & the spark plug comes shooting out at high velocity. Fords 'Fix' was to give the heads 8 threads. Wow....what a fix...does absolutely nothing but band-aid the problem.

The motors aren't light either. Rotating assembly weighs within a pound or 2 of an LS1. 4V heads weigh as much as E7's.
Yes, the motor can make a LOT of power & are very efficient for what they are.....but I'd take a pushrod 5.0 ANY DAY over a current modular.

FAR more potential from a SBF or LSX than the modulars.

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No, the original post is about a S197, which comes with a 24-Valve all aluminum 4.6. Thats the one I'm talking about. I like the Windsors also, but I have a pretty well built 306 in my 88 and my 05 with just a K&N, 3.73's and a Predator smokes it. You can make anything fast, but in the end I think the potential and dependability of the newer modular is better.
I love them both though, I was just talking about putting a GM engine in a Ford. I think were on the same side dude.

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
No way a stock 3V will take 700hp on the stock bottom end. At least not reliably for any length of time & most definately not on 91/93 octane.

The rods on the new 3V's are the weakest stock Ford rod I've ever seen. Cracked iron polished rods that are physically the thinnest beam of any of the Cracked Iron rods I've seen in a modular.
The pistons are even weaker. In order to cut emissions a many manufactures are placing the top ring closer to the top of the piston. Ford did this on the 3V pistons. .100" closer to the top of the piston. With boost it's quite common for these motors to crack the top ring land.

The only stock Ford bottom end worth anything is the 03/04 Cobra. Now THAT is a bad-ass bottom end! Those have routinely seen 700FWHP without issues.
 

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Posted by BlueBeast88.306 (Member # 6360) on :
 
It's definatly the limit,but I have seen them with almost 700hp with the stock internals. I'm sure your right about the dependability at that level, but the Cobra bottom end is what's used in the built ones. I am trying to stay all motor as long as possible in the 05, but I want to go remote twin turbo someday. I think I'll go stroker in the Fox, but I really have to workout traction/suspension issues first.

Good talking to you, I have to go to sleep now.
Justin
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
shit ford FE engines have broke 9's with a stock head...A stock head from 40 years ago.
 

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Posted by F8LSN8K (Member # 7080) on :
 
all this talk........but in the end.........gm is still gay!!!!
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
I always told you peeps that the lsx motors are better and now you have one of your own telling you the same. And this guy makes a living out out of tuning and building your cars too! Hell this makes me want to put a supra motor in a foxbody or a shelby cobra. Just imagine all the hate. But where is the love?? In the end its still a mustang even though it has a better power plant.
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 

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Ford For Life Dude WHO gives a shit as longs as it hauls ass! There are more and more GM Powered Mustangs in racing these days,get used to it

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Originally posted by ported8650*pbr*:
So let me get this straight, let's spend 4 grand for a used 300 hp ls1 that will only run for 90k miles

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How do you figure? not taking sides on gm or ford, but my Dad's old lsx had about 95k miles supercharged with 495hp and still ran great not one thing wrong with it.
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
OK I will take one lsx.................to poop on!
 

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Posted by 1fast281 (Member # 4670) on :
 
The fastest 4.6 runs 6.6 at 215mph, it's a 283ci fully built twin turbo with 40psi making around 2000hp. It's faster than any LSX based motor to date, it doesn't matter 346 or 427 or even bigger, there isn't one faster than the tiny 283ci 4V B headed engine. If Ford made a 427 4V engine it wouldn't even be close.
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 

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The fastest 4.6 runs 6.6 at 215mph, it's a 283ci fully built twin turbo with 40psi making around 2000hp. It's faster than any LSX based motor to date, it doesn't matter 346 or 427 or even bigger, there isn't one faster than the tiny 283ci 4V B headed engine. If Ford made a 427 4V engine it wouldn't even be close.

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you need to re-evaluate your Mod engine program then...JMO

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Ouch. Play nice.
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
actualy I was beeing blunt and serious I would like there buisness to succeed and they get rich. Just think how much money is out there to be made in the mod engine field if you could bust out some n/a 10 sec mods
 

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Posted by 1fast281 (Member # 4670) on :
 
How is the aftermarket behind for the LSX engines? There is still not one aftermarket intake manifold for the B heads and no aftermarket heads (mostly because they are not needed). A stock Teksid block made in Italy from 93 to 99 (some 01 Cobras got it too) can take over 1000hp with no modifications. The stock LS1 blocks are much weaker and can't take much more than 600-700hp. The 2000hp 4.6 I was talking about is using fully race ported STOCK B heads which can be found on a 15 year old 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII. A bolt on Shelby GT 500 (exhaust, intake, pulley, tune) is faster than the new Z06 which is about 1000 lbs less weight. The new whipples and KB blowers will soon be out for the GT500 and they make about 800hp at 20psi with stock engine.
 

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Posted by Eddie510- (Member # 2354) on :
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
If a customer came to me wanting a 10 second N/A modular & was willing to spend the money....no problem, I'd build them a 400+RWHP N/A 4V & setup the car accordingly. I can't help it if they'd rather go boosted.

9Cobra8 has the hottest N/A 4V on the site....that thing has been done for over a year but he hasn't even tuned the damn thing yet. Can't help that either.

& yes there are aftermarket intakes for the B heads. 9Cobra8 has one.

Like you said, the Modulars have been around since 92. LS series since 98. 6 years behind, add that to the fact that there are FAR more mustangs out there, therefore more enthusiests that want to mod them. As a buisness it's more profitable to go where the masses are.....not neccessarily where the power can be made.

Stock this, stock that...blah, blah, blah. If the aftermarket had a bad-ass 4V modular head you'd see race cars running them. Fact is it's far more expensive to manufacture an overhead cam 4V head vs a pushrod 2V head. Besides, with 300+cfm from the current 4V heads, what more do you need on a small 281ci motor? No point in making better heads. So what! Same goes for the LS7 heads. No point in doing anything to them. They're CNC ported from the factory with 2.2/1.61 titanium/sodium filled valves.....& flow GOBS of air.

Both Modular & LSX blocks have a 'Y' block design which is very strong. The LSX isn't as strong simply because it has camshaft running through the middle of it. Big deal. For 99% of the street/strip modulars & LS1's the stock blocks can handle it (600 to 1000hp depending on the block....LS1, LS2, 6.0L, LS7). For the other 1% the aftermarket has them taken care of. World Products has both an LSX & Modular aluminum block, Dart also has an LSX block. But for nearly $5000 & up you won't see many around. The masses will have to be content running 1000hp or less. Besides that, unless you spend some serious coin on billet rotating assemlby components, either LSX or Modular aluminum blocks can handle more than the typical 4340 forged rotating assemlbies you see in the vast majority of street/strip motors.

So what's exactly are we getting at here?
That Modular factory components can take more power than the LSX stuff from the factory? Yeah...so what. 99% of the enthusiests out there will never run enough power to neccessitate more than the stock block/crankshaft with either brand. As far as rods go, they both SUCK, but the modulars are FAR weaker (aside from the 03/04 Cobra). So what.....if you want a 600hp motor, either way you go (ford or chevy) you'd be stupid to use the stock rods/pistons.

Chevy's got it going on with the new Z06. Power to weight ratio & big bore/cubes. Something Ford has seriously lacked since 96. Each year the cars get heavier yet they still use the same 281/330ci motors with 3.552" bores.

IMO the GT500 is a joke compared to the vette.
Come one....4000+lbs with a 330ci motor. Damn car is so heavy they had to beef up the suspenssion/brakes just to get it to perform as good as the 03/04 Cobras. & all that stuff adds weight.
Chevy's solution for better performance was a 3200lb car with 427cubes of N/A power making the same HP as the GT500. Due to the wieght difference it handles better, stops better, & performs better at the dragstrip.
You want to talk about stock performance, how's 10's with a set of drag radials & nothing else. It's been done with the new Z06.....with a road course supenssion!

Now imagine that motor with a nice cam, full exhaust, all the other bolt ons in a drag-race setup Fox Coupe.


Run what you want....but chances are you will be seeing more taillights of Chevy powered car at the dragstrip as the years progress.
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
#1 as for seeing tail lights at the dragstrip unless you are running mid 7's you are going to see somebodies tail lights just depends on what races you show up for . I will get back to the original topic the LSX might give you a woody and that is fine keep it in a camaro or firebird. You will get more respect and more admirers. I am not the only hard core ford nut around who won't waste there time to go check out a Ford car with a chevy engine(seriously). I just am not afraid to say it. I have friends with awsome chevs and dodges so I don't hate the other brands just crossdressers
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
What's wrong with putting an lsx into a foxbody? Well??? So far no one has given an answer besides, "I don't like it." Makes perfect sense to me. Hell turbo lsx's are gonna take over everything soon. I'd even put a turbo lsx into my supra if it would fit without too much hacking!!!

I still think a supra motor in a foxbody would be cool as well. Hell I even had a foxbody but I had to get rid of it because the property manager complained. The body was perfect it would have made a great drag car. I offered it up for sale here in cafords for $100 but no one wanted it so I dropped it off at pick your part in Hayward. Foxbodies make great platforms for drag cars there is no denying this. And they are CHEAP! So why not put an lsx into one? You all should be glad that people are doing this. Hell people can chose any car to drop an ls1 into but instead they chose a ford. You all should feel blessed not ashamed.
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
nobody is ashamed you idiot. To me it admits failure. You were not good enough to build a Fast ford(smart enough?) Around where I live nobody used to run Fords .I took pride in smoking them with a Ford plus the chev guy's used to hate it LOL
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
No need to get your pace maker all wound up old man. I get tired of seeing the same old car with the same old mods running the same old times. Its boring. If you can't be creative or innovative its not my problem. Good or smart enough to build a fast ford? LOL! How about boring enough! And there are really not a lot of fast street cars where you are at so there's no pride in smoking them. Most of the street people are very young. Hell you're in your 40s and your taking pride in smoking the lil kiddies that are 1/3 your age. The only thing the chevy guys hated was looking at an old man well past his time acting like he's 16 years old.

Back to the topic, LSX ANYTHING is cool! Hell I'm even thinking about dropping an ls1 into my jeep! And I have a spare supra motor sitting in my garage too and I'd still like to throw an ls1 into it!
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
LOL what a dumb ass you are if you only knew the street cars we have up here. Keep thinking the way you do Yes I am 41 now and still have fun with racing and been pounding fools like yourself since I was 16 , It never gets old

[ February 12, 2007, 11:31 PM: Message edited by: 2stangs69-91 ]
 

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Posted by Don (Member # 938) on :
 
Dam, can't belive the tunnel port FE came out.......wish I still had mine. Or were you talking about the SOHC heads?????????

I will have to say that my next car will be a C6 Vett with a sts rear mont. Just can't beat those LS motors.
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
Man you gotta lay off the pipe smoking all that pot really messed up your head. Beat me? LOL! You have a snow balls chance in hell against me! You said you've been smoking people in your area for a long time now. So if you're any indication of a fast car then I stand by my initial comment. That's right!!!
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
I never said I was the fastest up here ..ummmm you have never beat me I have actualy never heard of any body thats even seen your car at a strip I don't count your make belive drag strip were you print your own slips LOL ok I am smarter and faster then you so I am not going to aknowledge you in this thread any more. ok cupcake......I actualy feel stupider everytime I converse with you.
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 
You must be stupid if you feel "stupider" after every time you converse! Stupider isn't a word!!! Honey buns!!!!

BTW, does anyone know how much cfm stock ls1 heads flow? Has anyone bench tested them or know of the results?
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
Stone stock 241 casting LS1 heads (2000 & up) are comparable to AFR185 SBF heads. Although the LS1 heads are just over 200cc's vs the smaller Ford head. Power output given displacement is about the same (347 Ford w/AFR185's vs 346 LS1 with stock 241 castings.) Both around 400RWHP with good quality bolt-ons.
 

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 

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Originally posted by cummins:
I get tired of seeing the same old car with the same old mods running the same old times. Its boring. Most of the street people are very young. Hell you're in your 40s and your taking pride in smoking the lil kiddies that are 1/3 your age.

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Boring as it may be to you, there's a reason why there's so many cars with the same old mods. They've been tried and proven over and over again. There's nothing wrong with that.... and I don't think there's anything wrong with putting youngsters in their place. You can never be too old to do that.
 

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Posted by cummins (Member # 5931) on :
 

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Originally posted by uh0h50:

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Originally posted by cummins:
I get tired of seeing the same old car with the same old mods running the same old times. Its boring. Most of the street people are very young. Hell you're in your 40s and your taking pride in smoking the lil kiddies that are 1/3 your age.

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Boring as it may be to you, there's a reason why there's so many cars with the same old mods. They've been tried and proven over and over again. There's nothing wrong with that.... and I don't think there's anything wrong with putting youngsters in their place. You can never be too old to do that.

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Originally posted by cummins:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by uh0h50:
[qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by cummins:
[qb]Is just a matter of time before you see turbo lsx's everywhere spanking everyone.

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even you??? haha jus messin wit ya man. yeah i'm all for hybriding and all and don't see a problem with them. like that saying goes, to each his own.
 

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