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Posted by SWERVN50 (Member # 6854) on :
 
I have a 90 LX 5.0 AOD and Im gona do a H/C/I, My question is should I also do a t-5 swap or leave it AOD and slap on a good shift kit & some gears? The AOD's been rebuilt and it only has 1k miles or less on it.
 

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Posted by 93mustang50 (Member # 6642) on :
 
The aod will be fine, i have an aod in my 91 and i love it. As for the H/C/I, a supercharger would be cheaper and easier, but if thats not what you are going for. I would go with the Trick flow top end kit its got everything you need. Heads, intake, cam, pushrods, hardware, roller rokers, valve covers, timing chain, and all the reqaired gaskets. All for about $2,200. You will also need lifters, tb, spacer, fuel pump, feul regulator, 24# injectors, and mass air sensor. Gears, maybe 3.73 or 4.10.
 

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Posted by 93mustang50 (Member # 6642) on :
 
GO FAST, SHAKE N BAKE!!!!!
 

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Posted by losbadgts (Member # 4394) on :
 
i would just leave the aod tranny and put a shift kit a better torque converter and 4.10's
 

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Posted by SWERVN50 (Member # 6854) on :
 
I want to supercharge it aventualy, but for now Im gona do the H/C/I. How does this setup sound. 165 AFR heads, Comp Cam XE270HR, & RPM II.
 

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Posted by 93mustang50 (Member # 6642) on :
 
Sorry dont forget the shift kit and torque converter
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
Don't go cheap if You are going to keep the AOD. I recommend www.edgeracingconverters.com and go with a lentech manual valvebody which will put Your OD position on Your shifter on a switch and give You full operation of every gear. It will probably set You back about 100-1200 buck's but will save You in the long run & the performance will be .
 

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Posted by white50steve (Member # 5887) on :
 
the stock aod isnt worth a lentech valve body and an expensive converter since the tranny will blow when you give it any power. I put a c4 in my car and havent had any problem. you can get a good c4 with a transbrake and everything needed for install for about 1800.
 

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Posted by SWERVN50 (Member # 6854) on :
 
That is the problem I keep hearing, that the AOD tranny wont last to long with alot of power. Thats why I was thinking of doing the t-5 swap instead of spending hella money on an AOD that isn't gona last. I know the t-5 isnt the best trany but it can push more horsepower than the AOD.
 

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Posted by silverLX (Member # 3207) on :
 
I would leave the aod alone, do 3.73 or 4.10's and when the aod goes do a 5 speed and skip the T5, and do a TKO.
 

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Posted by silverLX (Member # 3207) on :
 
I would also do the trickflow package
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 

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Originally posted by SWERVN50:
That is the problem I keep hearing, that the AOD tranny wont last to long with alot of power. Thats why I was thinking of doing the t-5 swap instead of spending hella money on an AOD that isn't gona last. I know the t-5 isnt the best trany but it can push more horsepower than the AOD.

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Originally posted by white50steve:
rebuilt is still stock and isnt good for anything more than stock

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My rebuild held up for a couple year's behind My HCI combo 280 rwhp/280 rwtq with plenty of trip's to the track and trappin 105-107 consistantly so I will have to disagree with You. When I put the blower on there is when thing's went wrong . The reason I recommended the lentech valvebody was to get away from the 1-2-1 shuffle and give the tranny a chance, if He hust spent 1700-2000 dollar's "just guessing cause He did'nt say" on the rebuild then 400 buck's for the valvebody is cheap insurance in My book. As far as the converter goes if You don't have a great converter You will never get good performance out of an auto. I usually buy the upper end on replacement part's Myself so that might be why My input may sound a little overkill? Either way You go I hope it work's out well for Ya SWERVN50.
 

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Posted by 93mustang50 (Member # 6642) on :
 
I am not an expert in aod or auto's in general, but wont a shift kit fix or help the 1-2-1 shift.
 

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Posted by white50steve (Member # 5887) on :
 
i never looked at a lentech valve body without a brake. the one with the brake is over $700. $400 isnt bad
 

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Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 

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i never looked at a lentech valve body without a brake. the one with the brake is over $700. $400 isnt bad

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i never looked at a lentech valve body without a brake. the one with the brake is over $700. $400 isnt bad

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Yeah I have the one with the brake and it is awesome! The 1-2-1 shuffle can only be eliminated by putting the OD position on a switch "as far as I know" which free's up the extra space for 1st, 2nd, and drive - then You just flick a switch to hit OD? My edge street/strip converter was around 600 buck's shipped and on the tranny brake it stall's over 5,000 RPM and is great on the street also. IMHO a good tranny is going to cost well over 3000 dollar's if You want to keep overdrive, and a good 6 speed is probably going to end up costing about the same. I mostly just drive My car to the strip and back so I prefer the auto tranny, and I can understand that most people think auto's suck but then again they probably hav'nt been in a 600 HP car with a manual valvebody, trannybrake, and good stall converter.

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i never looked at a lentech valve body without a brake. the one with the brake is over $700. $400 isnt bad

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Yeah I have the one with the brake and it is awesome! The 1-2-1 shuffle can only be eliminated by putting the OD position on a switch "as far as I know" which free's up the extra space for 1st, 2nd, and drive - then You just flick a switch to hit OD? My edge street/strip converter was around 600 buck's shipped and on the tranny brake it stall's over 5,000 RPM and is great on the street also. IMHO a good tranny is going to cost well over 3000 dollar's if You want to keep overdrive, and a good 6 speed is probably going to end up costing about the same. I mostly just drive My car to the strip and back so I prefer the auto tranny, and I can understand that most people think auto's suck but then again they probably hav'nt been in a 600 HP car with a manual valvebody, trannybrake, and good stall converter.

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You seem to know about trany's so let me ask you. The shop I took my trany to get rebuilt said the Overdrive was gone and 3rd was next, they told me they took out the overdrive and added a fourth gear instead because OD is garbage. Does that sound like BS or can it be done? My 50 runs harder than before, but then it could be because of the rebuild.

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Originally posted by white50steve:
i never looked at a lentech valve body without a brake. the one with the brake is over $700. $400 isnt bad

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Yeah I have the one with the brake and it is awesome! The 1-2-1 shuffle can only be eliminated by putting the OD position on a switch "as far as I know" which free's up the extra space for 1st, 2nd, and drive - then You just flick a switch to hit OD? My edge street/strip converter was around 600 buck's shipped and on the tranny brake it stall's over 5,000 RPM and is great on the street also. IMHO a good tranny is going to cost well over 3000 dollar's if You want to keep overdrive, and a good 6 speed is probably going to end up costing about the same. I mostly just drive My car to the strip and back so I prefer the auto tranny, and I can understand that most people think auto's suck but then again they probably hav'nt been in a 600 HP car with a manual valvebody, trannybrake, and good stall converter.

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You seem to know about trany's so let me ask you. The shop I took my trany to get rebuilt said the Overdrive was gone and 3rd was next, they told me they took out the overdrive and added a fourth gear instead because OD is garbage. Does that sound like BS or can it be done? My 50 runs harder than before, but then it could be because of the rebuild.

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I'm no expert but have been through My share of AOD's and never heard anything about taking out OD and putting in a 4th gear. Sound's like BS to Me. I think all of My tranny's lost OD the overdrive 1st and it's only a matter of time before the rest of em go out. Did they do a complete rebuild? How much did they charge You?

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