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Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
I keeping reading about Jeff S., I have an appointment with Apex but keep reading a lot of negative stuff about them, just want to keep my options open.
 
Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5891) on :
 
try next-gen and newtech in hayward

[ March 17, 2006, 03:32 AM: Message edited by: two-gun kid ]
 
Posted by CDT (Member # 5004) on :
 
whats your complete combo?
 
Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on :
 
Talk to 93pony
 
Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
RPM in Rohnert Park, (707) 584-8230.

Ask for Brad, he can answer any questions and let him know you heard about him from this site.

[ March 17, 2006, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: hidnn.o.s. ]
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
62mm Turbo, Intercooler, E-303 Cam, 70MM TB, MSD Ignition and Coil, Bassani 2.5" Catback.
 
Posted by NO MANRZ (Member # 566) on :
 
Lots of people recomend JeffS.

http://www.californiafords.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=022014

http://www.californiafords.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=021096;p=1

http://www.californiafords.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=022501;p=1


After all those customer reviews, I'm taking my car to JeffS once its ready to be tuned.
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
does jeff s work at apex???
 
Posted by NO MANRZ (Member # 566) on :
 
Noway. Read the links above. Its another shop in Santa Clara. Also read this link http://www.californiafords.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=025147

[ March 17, 2006, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: NO MANRZ ]
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
being that jeff seems to be retired now, who should i have tune my car, all this bs i keep reading makes me not even want to go to apex, although speaking with chris over the phone i was quoted a free tow to the shop, 325 for the chip and 125 an hour flate rate for the dyno time, i was told turbos are unpredictable and it could run 4 hours, price is not an issue with me, i just want my car done right, i spoke with a shop in hayward and the guy i spoke with sounded great but he is booked out, i need this done asap
 
Posted by NO MANRZ (Member # 566) on :
 
Did you read the link above? All of it?
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
so shaun is the man to go to?
 
Posted by 4.6 EATIN GM'S (Member # 1633) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by NO MANRZ:
Did you read the link above? All of it?

call sean (93pony) he more then capable to do it [worship]
 
Posted by NO MANRZ (Member # 566) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 91Trunkster:
so shaun is the man to go to?

Sounds like it, but a free tow from Vallejo is hard to beat. If I read your other post correct, you're running stock heads? It probably doesn't matter that much who tunes your cars with stock heads, but you're doing the right thing by doing your research and checking out everyone's reputation first before making up your mind. That's how I shop.
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
i am running stock heads until i blow or break something, my goal is low 10's maybe 9's who knows, but we'll see what happens
 
Posted by NO MANRZ (Member # 566) on :
 
You'll need to gut the car and run a full drag suspension and a ton of boost to run 10's with stock heads. How much boost are you running? I'll give you props if you even make 350 rwhp on unported stock heads and pump gas.
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
10 pounds of boost, i believe i'll be way beyond 350, hoping for 410hp and 480tq
 
Posted by CDT (Member # 5004) on :
 
dont think it will happen with the stock heads
 
Posted by SmokinLX (Member # 1684) on :
 
I would at least buy some valve spring's so they aer'nt floating at 5000 rpm's like the stock ones will. [burnout]
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
check this link:

http://musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_051100_turbo/index1.html

I'll have a full catback, msd, e-cam, pullies and 70MM TB

That car was bone stock
 
Posted by kingmoochr (Member # 5834) on :
 
for the non turbo-believers

http://www.turbomustangs.com/turbousers.php
 
Posted by streakmatt (Member # 6257) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 91Trunkster:
i am running stock heads until i blow or break something, my goal is low 10's maybe 9's who knows, but we'll see what happens

No doubt turbos make lots of power, and i'm sure you will make nice HP with your set-up, probably 375-400 rwhp somewhere in there. But your not going to run anywhere near 10's let alone 9's with that HP. If you put decent suspension on there and can get 1.60 60ft's i'd say you'd be in the 11.5 range @119-120MPH.
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
I am not stupid, I don't expect to run 10's or 9's with my stock block, or my current suspension setup. I am just stating my goals for the car, I just bought the car 2 weeks ago, I guess will just have to wait and see what it does at the track, if I can't hook, I start tweaking the suspension, if I can hook and my times aren't what I expect, I'll dump more money with some heads and an intake.
 
Posted by streakmatt (Member # 6257) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 91Trunkster:
I am not stupid, I don't expect to run 10's or 9's with my stock block, or my current suspension setup. I am just stating my goals for the car, I just bought the car 2 weeks ago, I guess will just have to wait and see what it does at the track, if I can't hook, I start tweaking the suspension, if I can hook and my times aren't what I expect, I'll dump more money with some heads and an intake.

Ok thats cool. I thought you meant you were trying to do it with you're current set-up. When you get it all sorted out, bring it to the track and i'll see you there. Maybe we can line'm up [Big Grin] [patriot]

[ March 18, 2006, 06:18 PM: Message edited by: streakmatt ]
 
Posted by maeco (Member # 2578) on :
 
i was going to get towed or trailer my car but instead sean burn a generic chip for me enough to run the car,test drive to make sure no leaks(vacuum,oil,water,exhaust) problems etc.so you might want to hit him up.its better you find out everything is working at home before you tow it there and have a bunch of issues.good luck man.
oh yeah i think one of his car is turbo or i might be mistaken(93 cobra).
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
who is sean?
 
Posted by 4.6 EATIN GM'S (Member # 1633) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 91Trunkster:
who is sean?

quote:
Originally posted by 4.6 EATIN GM'S:
quote:
Originally posted by NO MANRZ:
Did you read the link above? All of it?

call sean (93pony) he more then capable to do it [worship]

 
Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 91Trunkster:
who is sean?

The person everyone has been telling you to go to. He is the head man at Jeff S shop now, has a DART block twin turbo 93 cobra, and his wifeys GT is quick as well. Call him, dont worry about it any more, he will help you.

Not to burst your bubble, im glad your not planning on going 10's or 9's with your current set up because you should only be around 390 hp and 480 lbs to the wheels say around 9 psi with a stock motor. Not to mention a 62mm turbo is only good to say 500 or a little more hp. Hope you plan on going to a 66 or a 76 Q trim [patriot] to reach your 9 second goal

Good Luck and lets see some photos [Big Grin]

[ March 19, 2006, 11:57 AM: Message edited by: mustanggt5091 ]
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
whats shauns number?
 
Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
(916)715-7569

I run an Incon TT kit on my 93 Cobra. With stock GT40 iron heads, stock Cobra intake, stock Cobra cam, stock shortblock the car *supposedly* made 457/508 Rear wheel on a dyno in Utah (before I bought it). The previous owners best track time was 12.8 @112mph. I bought the car, fixed a few minor issues & ran 13.5 @115mph. LOL After the 331 it put down 430/507 Rear wheel with 7-8psi & ran 11.9 @119mph. With more boost, some porting, & a better cam it's gone as fast as 11.1 @128mph with 12-13psi.....& has NEVER put down more than 457RWHP.

In other words, dyno #'s don't mean shit! [Wink]
They're simply a tool for tuning.

Yes, I can tune your car & have experience with turbo mustangs...but here's the problem...

The dyno at the shop is NOT a load bearing dyno, which means it will not load down the car like the street will. My own personal experience with Apex/Mustang Ranch's dyno (dynojet248's) & my turbo car was that on the dyno it made 2-3psi LESS boost than on the street or at the dragstrip. I could not dial in the tune on an inertia dyno....so I tuned it on the street & have never looked back.

You'll either want to a shop with a load bearing dyno (I believe CDT has one) or have a tuner tune the car at the track....or both.

I can get the tune 'close' on the dyno we have at the shop, but not perfect.....I recomend against tuning a turbo car on an inertia dyno. (dynojet 248)

-Shaun
 
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 91Trunkster:
i am running stock heads until i blow or break something, my goal is low 10's maybe 9's who knows, but we'll see what happens

LOL [Big Grin] 10's? 9's?

Turbos have great potential, but they are not made by God [Wink]
 
Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Luke87GT:
quote:
Originally posted by 91Trunkster:
i am running stock heads until i blow or break something, my goal is low 10's maybe 9's who knows, but we'll see what happens

LOL [Big Grin] 10's? 9's?

Turbos have great potential, but they are not made by God [Wink]

Every guy with a Turbo thinks they are. [Wink] But a supercharger is a band-aid for performance. [Razz]
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
not to run 10's or 9's with my stock block, overall goal, i'm not that optimistic, cmon now
 
Posted by 91Trunkster (Member # 6598) on :
 
and if something breaks, top of the line shit will be replacing it.

i've had this car two weeks, money isn't much of an issue, but i'm not dumping everything at first, i'll see how it does with the stock motor, if i'm satisfied then i'm satisfied and i don't think i'm god to whoever posted that shit.
 
Posted by 88DroptopGT (Member # 2535) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 91Trunkster:
and if something breaks, top of the line shit will be replacing it.

i've had this car two weeks, money isn't much of an issue, but i'm not dumping everything at first, i'll see how it does with the stock motor, if i'm satisfied then i'm satisfied and i don't think i'm god to whoever posted that shit.

He wasn't referring to you as "God" he was merely referring to your expectations of the turbo installation and your 1/4 mile times.

I also concur on 93Pony he seems to know his $hit whenever he posts. [worship]
 
Posted by NO MANRZ (Member # 566) on :
 
Let us know who you decide to let tune your car and how much rwhp you make with what mods. I've always wondered of those numbers quoted in the magazines are true. 400 rwhp sounds like a lot from a stock motor.
 
Posted by stangboi (Member # 6315) on :
 
i called apex today to ask about their dyno and one of the guys said that their dyno jet has the ability to load the rollers b/c they have the dynojet load control add on. i dont know what that is?. what is the differance with a mustang dyno with load control and a 248 with load control. thanks
 
Posted by CDT (Member # 5004) on :
 
Dynotrac is what they call it, it basically drags the roller brakes. Mustang dyno's use an eddy current electromagnet to apply load, based on a user input, to hold a certain speed, or based on car weight and aerodynamics.
 
Posted by NO MANRZ (Member # 566) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stangboi:
i called apex today to ask about their dyno and one of the guys said that their dyno jet has the ability to load the rollers b/c they have the dynojet load control add on. i dont know what that is?. what is the differance with a mustang dyno with load control and a 248 with load control. thanks

Here is what dynojet.com says the load control is. http://www.dynojet.com/motorcycle_dyno/m250i_load_control.php

"Dynojet's Load Control System uses the latest in eddy current power absorption technology, which combines with our easy-to-use software to give any technician repeatable, consistent results. The Load Control software provides a technician with the ability to control vehicle RPM or speed at any throttle opening. Through our exclusive closed-loop software design, the vehicle is automatically held at the pre determined setting."

looks like its good to 750HP.
 
Posted by N.L. Koncepts (Member # 5179) on :
 
My turboed 02 Gt tuned fine at Apex and ran great on the street. Back when I first installed my turbo about 8 mo.s ago, nobody here in the bay wanted to try to tune my car but Apex. Dunno but, that was my experience.
 




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