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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
which is a better company performance wise?
if i got edelbrock i will get the performer 5.0 intake and performer heads, if i got trick flow i will get the street heat intake and street heat twisted wedge heads, all input is appreciated.
 

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Posted by archersgt (Member # 5177) on :
 
Ive herd trick flow is a really good brand.Havent herd much about edelbrock though.
 

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Posted by GOT 50 (Member # 1960) on :
 
i sugest against the edelbrock 6037's. I also sugest against the tfs intake. I have both. Wish i had TFS or AFR heads and the TFS box upper or the Edelbrock performer upper.
 

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Posted by DOPE 50 (Member # 5194) on :
 
edelbrock

But whats done to your car, it depends?
 

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Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on :
 
Trick flow has better heads and Edelbrock has better intakes.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
would tfs heads and edelbrock intake work?
how good is the professional products typhoon intake?
i found one on ebay for $275 click here

[ 06-30-2005, 02:39: Message edited by: two-gun kid ]
 

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Posted by 1FAST89GT (Member # 5071) on :
 
my friend has a typhoon there r good - i would go with edelbrock - i have one
 

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Posted by jordan0806 (Member # 5528) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jeff S:
Trick flow has better heads and Edelbrock has better intakes.

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Trick Flow

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Originally posted by Jeff S:
Trick flow has better heads and Edelbrock has better intakes.

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Double WERD comming from someone that has owned just about every aftermarket cylinder head.

In comparison from say the rpm or performer models because the vic jr's own the track heat heads.

I would never use a tfs intake unless it was free. Even then I might consider selling it for an edelbrock.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
so would a edelbrock performer intake and tfs heads? what is a good throttle body company?
 

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Posted by Fostang (Member # 3752) on :
 

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Originally posted by two-gun kid:
so would a edelbrock performer intake and tfs heads? what is a good throttle body company?

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Originally posted by Jeff S:
Trick flow has better heads and Edelbrock has better intakes.

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werd..

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Double WERD comming from someone that has owned just about every aftermarket cylinder head.

In comparison from say the rpm or performer models because the vic jr's own the track heat heads.

I would never use a tfs intake unless it was free. Even then I might consider selling it for an edelbrock.

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compare apples to apples sal, well for you i guess it wouild be steawberies to lettuce

compare a tfs-r to a vic jr, then see who comes out the winner

unless you get into the victor senoirs tfs has edelbrock covered on heads
 

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Posted by Motorhead6T5 (Member # 4969) on :
 
Whats wrong with the tfs intakes? Please explain for a noob. I might have to ditch mine if its really that bad.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
so what are good intakes? and heads?
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 

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Originally posted by Motorhead6T5:
Whats wrong with the tfs intakes? Please explain for a noob. I might have to ditch mine if its really that bad.

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Originally posted by Motorhead6T5:
Whats wrong with the tfs intakes? Please explain for a noob. I might have to ditch mine if its really that bad.

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which tfs intake do you have?
would the track heat pass smog?
would the track heat be good on a 302 untill i have the 347 built?

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I have the street heat. What heads are you running? Don't waste your time if you don't have heads.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
im also going to get tfs heads, i will have the intake and heads on the stock engine for a while, while i begine to build my stroker.

[ 07-01-2005, 00:04: Message edited by: two-gun kid ]
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
No SBF aluminum head I've come across compares QUALITY WISE to Edelbrock! Every bolt hole in the head is helicoiled & the aluminum they use is not as soft as others (like AFR). There are other nice features that others should have but don't.

As far as power, how can you compare the 6037 1.90/1.60 175cc Edelbrock heads to 2.02/1.60 185cc TW heads? The TW head will out power the 6037's (& since HP is TQ * RPM / 5252, the TW's should make more HP higher in the RPM). Now, compared to the performer RPM head (2.02/1.60) the TW's will still make slightly more peak power due to the large cross-sectional area compared to the 20 degree inline Edelbrock head. However, you must also take into account the cross-sectional area of each head which plays a BIG role in power 'under the curve'. The chambe design of the TW head is superior to most 20 degree inline heads (all other popular SBF heads). However, you must also realize this puts un-even loads on the pushrods/rocker arms/vavles & they will wear slightly faster then the Edelbrocks (or any 20 degree inline head). (not even noticable really, but worth mentioning)

I've made really good power with the Edelbrock 6037's (1.90/1.60) & ran circles around most TW combos. (11.99 @114.6mph on the stock bottom end in a 3300lb GT) That's due to how the combo as a whole was setup. I only mention this to point out that you can make REALLY good power with any of the above heads.

As for intake manifolds.... I prefer the Edelbrock line for a few reasons.
1. Quality is unmatched
2. 4 different intakes to suit your combo's RPM/cross-sectional needs
3. Less restrictive then the TFS intakes. (although the RPM2 is just as restrictive as the TFS intakes). This has to do with the design of the upper intake manifold as the air flows into the plenum. The old Edelbrock line (all but the RPM2) uses the same style upper design as the stock, cobra, & GT40 intakes. The incoming air flows through the middles of the intake into the plenum. The RPM2 & TFS intakes are different in that the incoming air flows over the top of all 8 runners into the plenum. This may sound more efficient to some, but you must understand that anytime the airflow changes direction or has to conform to different port demensions (like going from square to round, or in this case round to flat & wide) it loses velocity....which is engergy basically. The more turns & contures in the intake, the less airflow velocity & power it'll make. The most power will be made with the straightest shot to the valve.

Hense, I ditched the RPM 2 I had & went back to the old Edelbrock 'tried & true' line. (in this case I opted for a Victor EFI)

Oh....& IMO the TFS intakes are butt-ugly.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
so are the performer intake and performer heads good for the stock 302 for now and when i finish the stroker im going to swap them over
 

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Posted by FAT CAT LEEN (Member # 1886) on :
 
The parts combo for a stroker block is different than a 302/306 combo. Why not save your money and buy the larger heads and intake, and a matched camshaft to get your money's worth when you have the stroker ready? You'll be giving up HP with the smaller 302/306 parts when you swapped them over to the larger stroker.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
this is going to be on a street car, i was talking to evan(stoauto) at robs maachine shop and he said that the performer combo would be good for a street car and hes building a motor with the same setup.
 

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Posted by stoauto (Member # 2803) on :
 
i'd go AFR, nothing out flows these heads out of the box. AFR flows very impressive #s with a smaller port size which keeps velocity way up.
 

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Posted by Fostang (Member # 3752) on :
 

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Originally posted by Jeff S:
Trick flow has better heads and Edelbrock has better intakes.

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werd..

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Double WERD comming from someone that has owned just about every aftermarket cylinder head.

In comparison from say the rpm or performer models because the vic jr's own the track heat heads.

I would never use a tfs intake unless it was free. Even then I might consider selling it for an edelbrock.

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compare apples to apples sal, well for you i guess it wouild be steawberies to lettuce

compare a tfs-r to a vic jr, then see who comes out the winner

unless you get into the victor senoirs tfs has edelbrock covered on heads

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Originally posted by two-gun kid:
this is going to be on a street car, i was talking to evan(stoauto) at robs maachine shop and he said that the performer combo would be good for a street car and hes building a motor with the same setup.

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you'll be happy with what you want but you'll make more power with the AFRs, and a better intake.
 

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Posted by Fostang (Member # 3752) on :
 

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Originally posted by stoauto:
i'd go AFR, nothing out flows these heads out of the box. AFR flows very impressive #s with a smaller port size which keeps velocity way up.

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i'd go AFR, nothing out flows these heads out of the box. AFR flows very impressive #s with a smaller port size which keeps velocity way up.

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Now your comparing CnC'd heads to as cast heads.

In the end resuls AFR's aren't really that great compared to other CnC'd heads.

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thats true, but like i said you cannot beat these heads out of the BOX sman. cant beat the price either for a cnc'd head.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
wouldnt it be possible to port the heads and intake when they are swaped over to the stroker?
 

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Posted by Fostang (Member # 3752) on :
 

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Originally posted by two-gun kid:
wouldnt it be possible to port the heads and intake when they are swaped over to the stroker?

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Anything is possible with some of the green.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
so they edelbrock intake and heads are good for the 302 and when i get the stroker done ill get them ported and it should help ?
 

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Posted by stoauto (Member # 2803) on :
 


[ 07-01-2005, 02:26: Message edited by: stoauto ]
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
The fastest all-motor 8.2 deck street cars (302-347ci) on this site run either Edelbrock or AFR heads.
 

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Posted by CobramanPhil (Member # 2170) on :
 
LOl..it use to be an afr/tfs war..now it is an edelbrock/tfs war Tfs is always in the mix

I'd say get either one. The miniscule amounts of hp/tq difference between the comparable heads and intakes will all be but forgotten once you put the hammer down....

[ 07-01-2005, 13:11: Message edited by: CobramanPhil ]
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
so would a edelbrock performer or victor 5.0 be good for a 347 stroker? which edelbrock heads woud be good for it ?
 

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Posted by Motorhead6T5 (Member # 4969) on :
 

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Originally posted by two-gun kid:
so would a edelbrock performer or victor 5.0 be good for a 347 stroker? which edelbrock heads woud be good for it ?

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i'd go AFR, nothing out flows these heads out of the box. AFR flows very impressive #s with a smaller port size which keeps velocity way up.

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Now your comparing CnC'd heads to as cast heads.

In the end resuls AFR's aren't really that great compared to other CnC'd heads.

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yadid I'm talkin bout! some of that otb power

-thinzzle washington
 

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Posted by vpr_klr (Member # 3353) on :
 
The quality of the Edelbrock stuff is hands down the best! I would go with performer heads, and a pro products intake and throttle body. You can get the pro products stuff cheap and if it is good enough for Rick Anderson at AFM, then it should be good for ANYBODY.

Edelbrock has just redesigned there performer heads also. Picked up 22hp over old design. Don't short change yourself Javier. Get the Edelbrock stuff. The trickflow stuff is good for entry level stuff, but when you want to step it up, they (the TW's) need a hell of a lot of work to match the flow of mildly ported edelbrock's! Unless you spring for the new trickflow CNC models

My Stage 3 ported Vic Jrs. outflow my old Stage 5 AFM TW's by a bunch on my new windsor motor! By a bunch!
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
would a edelbrock performer rpm intake be good for the 347? and what about the performer heads?
 

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Posted by HaulinAssMaro (Member # 541) on :
 
Edelbrock Heads are great as are AFR's.Both great heads,but for smaller street combos I would favor the Edlebrocks.

As far as Intakes are concerned HANDS DOWN I would choose the Edelbrock Line anyday.

Oh and BTW that crappy Pro Products Typhoon Intake is a JOKE.It may somewhat cosmetically resemble an Edelbrock Intake but in NO way does it compare in performance or quality.
 

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Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on :
 
What about the new Trick Flow CNC heads? Is anyone running those or know how they compare to the AFR's?
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
so would the performer rpm intake and performer heads be good enough for the 347? what are the differences between all the differenet edelbrock heads?
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 

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so would the performer rpm intake and performer heads be good enough for the 347? what are the differences between all the differenet edelbrock heads?

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so would the performer rpm intake and performer heads be good enough for the 347? what are the differences between all the differenet edelbrock heads?

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That work fine for a motor that'd make peak power below 5000rpm.

What kind of power/rpm are you looking at getting out of the 347?

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Originally posted by two-gun kid:
i like sesond88's combo, but what would be the difference if it was bored.030 over to make it 347?
do you have any pictures of his setup?

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Minimal difference. Maybe 5-7hp based on the added cubes + unshrouding the intake valve a little bit. I'd go with .030-.060 overbore myself. Hell, when I built my wife's motor I did .050 over....but those were custom CP pistons designed to my spec.....& they were not cheap. Brian at ADperformance.com can probably get Probe pistons for a 3.4 stroke with bores from 4.20-4.60 without adding to the price. I'd also recomend using CHP's (Probe) 5.315 rods & pistons as this gets the pin out of the oil ring boss. Crank can be anything you like, but I'd definately go with the 5.135 rods & 4340 forged pistons. At the shop we typically use CP however they are some of the most expensive. A nice alternative is the Probe stuff....DAMN fine pistons for the price! & I believe they're the only ones that make an off-shelf 3.4 stroke piston for 5.315 rods. Custom pistons are typically $300-$400 extra & take ~6 weeks for delivery.

I personally don't have pics of Seasoned88's setup.....I'm sure there's some pics of it at the track lurking on the site...but I wouldn't know where to look.
 

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Posted by Don (Member # 938) on :
 
93Pony why don't you use my car for a comparo

Here is what I would do.

Vic Jrs
Vic 5.0
Custom Cam
LT 1 3/4s
75mm TB
30lbs injectors
77mm mas air

You can only grow with all of these parts, plus they will make good power for a street car.
 

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Posted by Don (Member # 938) on :
 
BTW Brain got probe 4.125 pistons for my 427 in three weeks . Talk about fast custom.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
so what is a good intake for the 347?
 

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Posted by BlackDrop50 (Member # 1715) on :
 
Sup Javier

my combo is like seasond88s but its a 347 with more compression, RPM2 and I have Yellow94Gt's cam

I'd say go with a similar combo but put in a smog legal cam

[ July 08, 2005, 12:34 AM: Message edited by: BlackDrop50 ]
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
hey jason
i love the spin techs, now i have a off road pro chamber, i need to figure out with intake is going to be good for the stroker, so far i see everybody mostly uses the victor 5.0, performer and performer rpm, so mostly its edelbrock, which should i use ? im lost on the intake part of the build.
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
Depends on the heads/camshaft as to what intake to go with.
However, here's a basic rundown on what intake is best for what....

302 = Performer/Performer RPM
331/347 = Performer RPM (ported)/ Victor EFI (with or without 1 inch spacer....depends on combo & hood clearance)

AFR165's/AFR185's/TW/Edelbrock Performers/Performer RPM = Performer intake or Performer RPM intake.
Victor Jr heads, Brodix race, Canfield, Ported AFR/Edelbrock/TW = Fully ported RPM or Victor EFI.

*note* the Victor intake will make more power at higher RPM then any other mainfold listed, however the cross-section of the intake port is larger then most box-stock heads including AFR185's....Unless you have the heads ported to match the intake it's not a good idea to use the Victor 5.0 with small heads.

I didn't include the RPM 2 as I see it as a major restriction. The lower is great, the upper would need serious port work to make more power then the standard RPM intake.

[ July 08, 2005, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: 93PONY ]
 

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Posted by BlackDrop50 (Member # 1715) on :
 
Go with a Performer RPM, best all around intake it will make power on the stock shortblock and make good power with a stroker.
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
ya thats pretty much where i made my conclusion is on getting the prefomer rpm becuase its very commmon intake to see on stroker motors
 

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Posted by Don (Member # 938) on :
 
Victor 5.0 matcheed my 185s.
Super Victor matched my 225s perfectly
 

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Posted by two-gun kid (Member # 5325) on :
 
would be good heads? afr 165?
 

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Posted by FAT CAT LEEN (Member # 1886) on :
 
AFR heads have soft aluminum, I know I stripped two holes. The edelbrocks are helicoiled so you don't strip them.
 

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