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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
Well, I kick myself in the ass for even considering a V6 Mustang.. I'm keeping the notch..

Currently, my 92 auto coupe has 165,xxx miles on a stock block. I want to find another stock low-mileage block to have it prepped and put in new rings and the such.. From there... i need help..

what are good lower/upper intakes? should i use stock heads that have been ported or find some gt-40s (if so, what kind?) a good cam? pistons? good stroker kits available out there? anything you guys can tell me to watch out for or good items to use to build up a good motor. Good places here in the east bay that prep blocks?
--Going to be a daily driven car..
--I'm looking to stay smog legal though..
--I'm going to lose the a/c system.. put the car on a small diet..
--Move battery to trunk..
--exhaust is already taken care of.. (bbk headers, catted x-pipe, soon getting spintechs or borla)
--going to stay n/a .. no power adders at all..
--keepin the stock aod for a couple more months, but will soon convert to a 5speed// 5-speed swap..
--retain a stock suspension, except for the addition of 4 cylinder springs and control arms..

thanks for the help... mike
 

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Posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE (Member # 4531) on :
 
get tha trick flow track heat kit... should get u round 300rwhp i think..
 

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Posted by AJBlackGT (Member # 3936) on :
 
Yeah your going to need good heads to do it. Ported stock heads or gt40s will most likely not get there without a lot of porting. The trackheat kit is good and will put you pretty close to 300rwhp. 24lb injectors, AFPR, you probably want around 10-10.5:1 compression to help you get there also. Theres a bunch of ways to do it, and it also depends on your budget.
Good choice on keeping the notch though...its hard to find them as clean as yours, and you'll have a lot more fun with it once you put h/c/i on.
PM me if you want to talk more
Drew

[ May 10, 2005, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: AJBlackGT ]
 

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
yeah i've seen the trick flow set-up, but i dont know if it's smog lega?
 

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Posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE (Member # 4531) on :
 

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
yeah i've seen the trick flow set-up, but i dont know if it's smog lega?

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
i thought i saw in a summit magazine where they had a special kit that included the trickflow upper/lower and a lot of other misc. items...

are you guys only talking about the trickflow street heat upper and lower intakes only? or do they sell kits that include that and heads and cam? sorry for the confusion

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
89fakesnake, did u purchase the track heat or street heat kit? because i cant seem to find a street heat kit..?

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Originally posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE:

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
89fakesnake, did u purchase the track heat or street heat kit? because i cant seem to find a street heat kit..?

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street i belive..try part number tfs-k514-350-370

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Originally posted by AJBlackGT:
Dont forget a throttlebody and bigger mass air meter, and all the gaskets and bolts and stuff

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yep..thas wha cafords is good for..haha
 

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
Well after further thought and discussion with 89fakesnake, I'm NOW leaning towards a 302 crate engine from Ford Racing. Seems more practical, zero miles on a brand new block for only a lil over 3g and guarunteed to hold up for a long time as opposed to a used block with x miles on it with bolt ons. All I would have to do is buy the upper and lower intakes, distributor.. etc... But what I don't understand about purchasing the engine is why they tell you that it needs a fox body conversion kit to drop it in? How much would that kit be? Any inputs on my decisions? thanks
 

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
nevermind, found the conversion kit... but here's the crate engine i'm referring to.. crate engine your thoughts/inputs on my decision making?
 

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
link didnt work... try here.. and if this one doesnt work, just go to the ford racing site.. part number M-6007-B50... here
 

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Posted by KRZ89FOBRA (Member # 4482) on :
 
how is the trick flow kit smog legal if neither tf cams are smog legal? correct me if im wrong?
all you need is a Ed curtis custom cam and thumper stock ported heads with a Tmoss ported stock intake, you wont spend no more than 1,000.
my .02 cents.
 

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Posted by KRZ89FOBRA (Member # 4482) on :
 
that will get you close if not 300 to the wheels.
good bang for the buck combo.
 

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Posted by HungryHippo (Member # 537) on :
 
stock heads? stroker kits?

i would get a freshened up stock shortblock with either the trickflow kit or afr 165's with a 2031 cam (very mild) and edelbrock intake
 

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Posted by HungryHippo (Member # 537) on :
 

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Originally posted by KRZ89FOBRA:
how is the trick flow kit smog legal if neither tf cams are smog legal? correct me if im wrong?
all you need is a Ed curtis custom cam and thumper stock ported heads with a Tmoss ported stock intake, you wont spend no more than 1,000.
my .02 cents.

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the trickflow stage 1 cam will pass smog even though it is not carb approved. it is very similar to the e cam and is cheaper because lack of certification.
 

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Posted by KRZ89FOBRA (Member # 4482) on :
 
how is the e cam similar to the tfs 1 cam if the tfs is a split duration cam?
 

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Posted by HungryHippo (Member # 537) on :
 
i said they were similar not the same thing. either way it can pass smog as long as the tech doesnt take your timing cover off to look
 

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Posted by KRZ89FOBRA (Member # 4482) on :
 
not flaming you on the issue, just clarifying that the tfs cam is very different. and i know it wont pass smog i run that cam with afr heads and already tried doing the smog where i work. it did not pass. wasnt even close.
 

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Posted by AJBlackGT (Member # 3936) on :
 

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Originally posted by KRZ89FOBRA:
not flaming you on the issue, just clarifying that the tfs cam is very different. and i know it wont pass smog i run that cam with afr heads and already tried doing the smog where i work. it did not pass. wasnt even close.

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
Well after further thought and discussion with 89fakesnake, I'm NOW leaning towards a 302 crate engine from Ford Racing. Seems more practical, zero miles on a brand new block for only a lil over 3g and guarunteed to hold up for a long time as opposed to a used block with x miles on it with bolt ons. All I would have to do is buy the upper and lower intakes, distributor.. etc... But what I don't understand about purchasing the engine is why they tell you that it needs a fox body conversion kit to drop it in? How much would that kit be? Any inputs on my decisions? thanks

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all you need is a Ed curtis custom cam and thumper stock ported heads with a Tmoss ported stock intake, you wont spend no more than 1,000.
my .02 cents.

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are you serious about this? do you have any websites pertaining to this? i'm looking to pay no more than 4gs..so if i could pay only 1000 for this and help me achieve my goal of 300 horse then i'd be all over that deal..
 

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Posted by AJBlackGT (Member # 3936) on :
 
Ported stock heads aren't going to be able to hit 300rwhp in most cases. Have you tried looking for a set of used twisted wedges? You can usually find some for like 700, just a thought
 

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
drew.. do you think my car, being that it's at 165g miles, is considered a high mileage car? i mean it runs well, feels strong, doesn't give me any problems either.. do you think the stock motor could keep up with just a H/C/I swap?
 

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Posted by AJBlackGT (Member # 3936) on :
 
If everything looks good right now you can put the h/c/i on. I mean it doesnt burn oil right? No leaks? i would just do a leakdown and compression test and if all looks good put the heads and cam on. i would also do maintenance shit too while its apart, like a timing chain and stuff. These motors will live well past 200k if you take care of it right. I wouldnt worry about a new shortblock right now if the current motor runs strong.
 

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
yeah motor's strong.. no oil leaks..no oil burning.. don't know about compression though.. when you coming back to the bay drew?
 

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Posted by AJBlackGT (Member # 3936) on :
 
I'll be back next thursday
 

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Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on :
 
Here's what I would do:

331 stroker 9.5:1 compression
trick flow heads, intake, and stage 1 cam
1.6 roller rockers
65mm t-body
24lb injectors (w/ matching maf)
255lpr intake fuel pump and ajustable regulator
355 gears (assuming you do the t5 swap)

You can find a good used block, buy a stroker, and, have a machine shop do the machine and assembly or you can just buy a crate motor from DSS, CHP, etc.

[ May 10, 2005, 08:54 PM: Message edited by: 92stangLX ]
 

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
92stanglx, that looks like a strong setup, but more than i think my budget would be.. after all that talk about buying a new block or crate engine, i've decided to stick it out with my stock engine in the car... here's a setup from a guy over at the corral that i like..
-Ported GT-40 Iron heads with 1.94/1.60 valves
-Ported Explorer intake
-Anderson B-21 cam
-65mm TB, 73mm MAF, longtubes, offroad Hpipe, 2 1/2 flowmasters
-underdrives, and that is basically it.
-Bought most of the parts used. Runs great for what it is and what little it cost to throw together. (he's at 289hp)..

i dont think the anderson cam is smog legal though.... am i rite?
 

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Posted by AJBlackGT (Member # 3936) on :
 
It doesnt really matter if the cam is technically smog legal, since no smog tech is going to tear into the motor and check. I'm pretty sure that the AFM cam will pass emissions if you have it tuned right.
 

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Posted by AJBlackGT (Member # 3936) on :
 
Personally i would try to pick up a used set of twisted wedge heads rather than a set of ported gt40s. The price will be roughly the same, but you'll have an aluminum head with some room to grow into with the trick flows.
 

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Posted by uh0h50 (Member # 3125) on :
 
cool ill look out for some.. what kinda cam would u suggest? intakes as well?
 

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Posted by AJBlackGT (Member # 3936) on :
 
Pretty much any of the aftermarket intakes would work, edelbrock performer, tfs streetheat or trackheat, cobra, maybe a holley systemax, but thats a little on the big side. An f cam would work pretty good, so would the tfs stage 1. Also comp cams has so good grinds if you look in their catalog, but they're pretty pricey at around 275, and for 50 dollars more you might as well get a custom cam. Budget wise, you cant beat the tfs stage 1 for $130.
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
Here is one dyno tested 300rwhp combo. Stock cam.


http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2003/06/afrinstall/
 

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Posted by red GT black rallyes (Member # 4495) on :
 
edelbrock package will do it, PERFORMER intake , cam , and heads, will put u there.
 

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Posted by 89 FAKE SNAKE (Member # 4531) on :
 

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Originally posted by red GT black rallyes:
edelbrock package will do it, PERFORMER intake , cam , and heads, will put u there.

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...imo....i dnt like em..tfs is alot better and get more i think.....jus my .02
 

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Posted by 92stangLX (Member # 3252) on :
 

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Originally posted by uh0h50:
92stanglx, that looks like a strong setup, but more than i think my budget would be.. after all that talk about buying a new block or crate engine, i've decided to stick it out with my stock engine in the car... here's a setup from a guy over at the corral that i like..
-Ported GT-40 Iron heads with 1.94/1.60 valves
-Ported Explorer intake
-Anderson B-21 cam
-65mm TB, 73mm MAF, longtubes, offroad Hpipe, 2 1/2 flowmasters
-underdrives, and that is basically it.
-Bought most of the parts used. Runs great for what it is and what little it cost to throw together. (he's at 289hp)..

i dont think the anderson cam is smog legal though.... am i rite?

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