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Posted by 93gt (Member # 2558) on :
 
I HAVE $5000 TO PUT IN MY 5.0 WHAT CAN I DO TO GET IT TO DO 11 SEC. QUARTER MILE.
 

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Posted by mustanggt5091 (Member # 444) on :
 
let the drama begin............

how many miles you got???????? What are you lookin to do, N/A, boost, N20????????
1/4, autoX, daily driven weekend warrior??????
What do you already have??????????


 

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Posted by Black94 5.0 (Member # 655) on :
 

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Originally posted by mustanggt5091:
let the drama begin............

how many miles you got???????? What are you lookin to do, N/A, boost, N20????????
1/4, autoX, daily driven weekend warrior??????
What do you already have??????????

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Yeah, no kidding!...You might wanna fill us in on a few details...lol

AFR's and an S-trim might be a good starting point...
 

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Posted by Chosen1 (Member # 1906) on :
 

 

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Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on :
 
NAWS!!!
Just kidding, I think it is going to be hard to get into the 11's and have a reliable motor with just $5000.

[ April 01, 2004, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Glenn ]
 

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Posted by highofftiresmoke (Member # 2159) on :
 
nitrous cam, nitrous, suspension, sticky tires, new heads and a nice intake...
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
what do you have now?
 

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Posted by shade- (Member # 298) on :
 
nitrous on a stock motor with gears and slicks should get you an 11 if you can drive
 

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Posted by 93gt (Member # 2558) on :
 
STOCK MOTOR AND TRANNY WITH 80000 MILES. I GOT BBK 1 3/4 LONGTUBES, DR. GAS X-PIPE, TWO CHAMBER FLOWS, AND BBK PULLIES AND DRAG RACING SPRINGS.
 

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Posted by white1990stang (Member # 2307) on :
 
tfs high ports, f-cam track heat intake and an s trim should do it
 

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Posted by CMELEVU (Member # 2563) on :
 
Dude(s), I'm putting together a combo that should get me to the 11's no problem. 342 bottom end $1995.00, TrickFlow upper end combo from upper plenum to headgaskets, $2100. Those are the just the basics with another 9 bills to go for misc. bull. That alone should be enough for low low 12's to high 11's.
 

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Posted by FordPny (Member # 510) on :
 

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Originally posted by white1990stang:
tfs high ports, f-cam track heat intake and an s trim should do it

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Originally posted by shade-:
nitrous on a stock motor with gears and slicks should get you an 11 if you can drive

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[ April 02, 2004, 03:54 AM: Message edited by: FordPny ]
 

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Posted by 2stangs69-91 (Member # 1951) on :
 
GT40X Heads 1000
used vortech S trim 1600
E-cam free from the brain
trickflow street heat 280.00 used off the corral.
I think that fits well under the 5000.00 dollar mark.
 

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Posted by white1990stang (Member # 2307) on :
 
ford pony- what do you mean by overkill?
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
3 simplest ways to do it from least expensive to most expensive...
All three combos will thrive off slicks and gears first and foremost. Get a 26x8.5 slick, mount it on a pair of stock 10 holes and get 3.73s, 3.90s (i have these and love em), or 4.10 gear

#1:
150 shot of laughing gas. This would be the cheapest way to go, but the costs do get up there once you start considering things such as a blow off valve, bottle heater, refilling the jug etc.
Personally I would not do this route because I can't get myself to drop $40+ every time I want to refill the bottle

#2:
A very well thought out combination of heads, cam, intake...
If it were me, I would get the following
-AFR 165's (milled to 54 cc or so)
-any aftermarket long runner intake (port the lower to match heads)
-I'd research off the shelf cams or get a custom
-24 lb injectors
-75-80mm MAF
-65-70mm TB

#3
Slap on a Vortech S-trim...

All three of these combos can be done for well under $5000 and with some practice should be capable of an 11.9X @ 112-115 with slicks and gears. In fact I know there are two people on this board that have gotten into the 11's with combo #2 (91Pony and FasterDamnit I believe).

If you really want to have fun, pick two of the combos I outlined for you... IN fact I rode in a heads, cam, intake, vortech car yesterday... Blast
Luke
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
Assuming ALL the labor is free, & you could get some things used (TB, intake, RR's, injectors, etc)here's how I'd do it:

AFR185's 58cc w/7/16th stud mounts
Notch the pistons
Comp Magnum 286HR camshaft retarded 6 degrees
FMS 9-keyway timing chain
Comp Pro-Magnum 1.6 RR's
Edelbrock RPM intake (un-ported)
70MM TB
30lb injectors & mass-air to match
255lph fuel pump
Kirban FPR
Port-match the longtubes to the heads, port the ball-ends of the entire exhaust system to bring them to a full 2.5 inche ID.
 

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Posted by Black94 5.0 (Member # 655) on :
 

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
3 simplest ways to do it from least expensive to most expensive...
All three combos will thrive off slicks and gears first and foremost. Get a 26x8.5 slick, mount it on a pair of stock 10 holes and get 3.73s, 3.90s (i have these and love em), or 4.10 gear

#1:
150 shot of laughing gas. This would be the cheapest way to go, but the costs do get up there once you start considering things such as a blow off valve, bottle heater, refilling the jug etc.
Personally I would not do this route because I can't get myself to drop $40+ every time I want to refill the bottle

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So basically, your saying a low 14 second car with a 150-shot will go 11's???....I dont think so....93gt basically only has full exhaust, and pulleys...

How much is a 150 shot worth in time?...I don't think I've ever seen low 13 second NA "street" car hit 11.90's on a 150-shot on the bottle, maybe Shade could fill me on some details ....
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 

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Originally posted by Black94 5.0:

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
3 simplest ways to do it from least expensive to most expensive...
All three combos will thrive off slicks and gears first and foremost. Get a 26x8.5 slick, mount it on a pair of stock 10 holes and get 3.73s, 3.90s (i have these and love em), or 4.10 gear

#1:
150 shot of laughing gas. This would be the cheapest way to go, but the costs do get up there once you start considering things such as a blow off valve, bottle heater, refilling the jug etc.
Personally I would not do this route because I can't get myself to drop $40+ every time I want to refill the bottle

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So basically, your saying a low 14 second car with a 150-shot will go 11's???....I dont think so....93gt basically only has full exhaust, and pulleys...

How much is a 150 shot worth in time?...I don't think I've ever seen low 13 second NA "street" car hit 11.90's on a 150-shot on the bottle, maybe Shade could fill me on some details ....

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Please read my entire post. I said a 150 shot combined with gears and slicks should see an 11.9X, yes... no doubt about it...

The key here is SLICKS and GEARS combined with the nitrous. Plenty of guys on the corral have gotten into the high 11's with this configuration. I can provide references if you'd like to learn how to do this and talk directly to the sources.


Luke
 

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Posted by yipnip5.0 (Member # 175) on :
 
give me $5000, I sell you my motor. That is the best combo for 11's.... beeeyatch.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
You asked how much there is to be gained from a 150 shot...

Typical gains are 12-15mph.

A stock 5.0 with a few bolts should do ballpark 100mph... My old 87GT ran consistent 101.X

Add 12-15 mph to that and it should see an 11.9X in good weather and some practice.

Hope this helps
Luke
 

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Posted by shade- (Member # 298) on :
 
I think a stock car with gears and slicks can run a low low 13 with nothing except maybe bumped timing and unbolted mufflers, GT, notch, whatever.

4.10s preferred, T5 cars only of course
 

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Posted by Black94 5.0 (Member # 655) on :
 

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
[QUOTE]Please read my entire post. I said a 150 shot combined with gears and slicks should see an 11.9X, yes... no doubt about it...

The key here is SLICKS and GEARS combined with the nitrous. Plenty of guys on the corral have gotten into the high 11's with this configuration. I can provide references if you'd like to learn how to do this and talk directly to the sources.


Luke

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Luke~ Sorry, I must have missed where you said gears and slicks....I'll take you up on your offer to provide references for 11.9 on a "bolt on" 5.0 (no heads or cam) and 150 shot of nitrous ...Keep in mind I'm refering more to "street car", cars with sway bars stock shocks/struts (no 90/10's) A/C, radio and back seat...I think that's more realistic...

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I think a stock car with gears and slicks can run a low low 13 with nothing except maybe bumped timing and unbolted mufflers, GT, notch, whatever.

4.10s preferred, T5 cars only of course

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Shade~I think you're right, you said "CAN run low low 13", but I don't think it's the average for most people...Weren't you in the low 13's with stock heads and all the bolt ons, slicks and 4.10's?...What was your combo?....
 

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Posted by shade- (Member # 298) on :
 
12.9s w/3.73s, 65mm TB, longtubes, off-road H, street underdrives, bypassed PS and smog, electric fan, with A/C intact,
had an explorer intake though. untouched stock heads, no rockers or anything, ET Streets.

that combo would have run 11's on a 100 shot, possibly 75 with 4.10s and a bit more tire.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 

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Originally posted by Black94 5.0:

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
[QUOTE]Please read my entire post. I said a 150 shot combined with gears and slicks should see an 11.9X, yes... no doubt about it...

The key here is SLICKS and GEARS combined with the nitrous. Plenty of guys on the corral have gotten into the high 11's with this configuration. I can provide references if you'd like to learn how to do this and talk directly to the sources.


Luke

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Luke~ Sorry, I must have missed where you said gears and slicks....I'll take you up on your offer to provide references for 11.9 on a "bolt on" 5.0 (no heads or cam) and 150 shot of nitrous ...Keep in mind I'm refering more to "street car", cars with sway bars stock shocks/struts (no 90/10's) A/C, radio and back seat...I think that's more realistic...

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I think a stock car with gears and slicks can run a low low 13 with nothing except maybe bumped timing and unbolted mufflers, GT, notch, whatever.

4.10s preferred, T5 cars only of course

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Shade~I think you're right, you said "CAN run low low 13", but I don't think it's the average for most people...Weren't you in the low 13's with stock heads and all the bolt ons, slicks and 4.10's?...What was your combo?....

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Forgot to mention slicks in the previous "Grandma 11's" combo

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You're funny.
 

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Posted by Black94 5.0 (Member # 655) on :
 

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
[QUOTE]I will not get too technical with you about sway bars, shocks, struts, etc, because I don't remember what those guys had...

You wanted a references...
11's w/ 150 shot with boltons:
-Blk88gt (Ian McNiven)

11's with Strim + bolt-ons:
-Shawn Donkin

You could probably find their emails using the search feature on the corral and contact them. If not I can provide them for you.
There are plenty of other guys that have accomplished 11.9x with stock longblocks w/ factory intake and 150 shots on the corral. If you are interested simply make a post in the drag racing forum with the title "Who has run 11.99 or faster with stock longblock and 150 shot?" I'm sure you'll get some responses.

Another thing I must address... You referred to the low 13's not being average "for most people" with just simple bolt-ons. I agree. BUT average racers usually DON'T run 11's, lol. Take a look at Jim Langley or 91Pony that have both run 11's. Do you think they are average? Those two drivers have seen significant track duty.

This post asked for ideas on how to get into the 11's. I simply stated what I would do to if I had the same goals as the original guy who started this thread.

If the post went something like this:
"I am a really average pathetic driver, and I don't go to the track very much, but I want to run 11's very easily, how do I do it?"
Then I would recommend something very different. If you are interested in this I can put together a combo for you that will allow my grandma to run 11.99 or better on her first attempt at the track. It may cost a little over $5000, but if you want brainless 11's, here it goes...

AFR 165's
Long runner aftermarket intake
off the shelf or custom cam
75mm TB
80mm MAF w/ 42lb injectors
255lph
Vortech S-trim
AOD with 3000 stall
4.10 gear

Get it tuned. Black 94 5.0, have your grandma do a nice burnout, stage it, and floor it on green. Viola! For me, though, I'd rather run 11's with as little as possible along with some practice. That to me increases the fun factor and gives me something to work towards. Then once I asccomplish it and start adding parts, well, then my goals go up...

Regards,
Luke

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First of all, I bet you all of those 11 second stock long block combos were with masive weight reduction, slicks, skinnies, ice, no sway bars and a bunch of other BS...

Second, I feel its better to give good advise then just tell some one to go install slicks gears and a 150 shot and expect 11's...

Third, you said it yourself, "You referred to the low 13's not being average "for most people" with just simple bolt-ons. I agree. BUT average racers usually DON'T run 11's"...

Forth, you said references?...Thats plural, I only saw one...

11's w/ 150 shot with boltons:
-Blk88gt (Ian McNiven)

The other one was with an S-trim....

I like your Grandma combo...Try reading my first post, it's the third one down in this thread...

Good postin' Luke....I think 93gt has more learning to do than either you or I though....It must feel good to have $5000 to blow on a Mustang, my wife would KILL me!...lol

~Rob...
 

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Posted by 85GT (Member # 1695) on :
 
my friend's car ran 11.90s on stock heads 150 shot.

the heads are ported as much as you can port E7s... it has a good nitrous cam. edelbrock intake. no accesories, just waterpump and alternator. stock rear suspention, MT ET streets like 26x10.5 or something. the bottom end is all forged with 8.5:1 compresion. he has a cage and no interior....
 

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Posted by AL STOCK (Member # 1852) on :
 
Fully Assembled 347 Stroker Engine used = $2000
Used NOVI2000 - $2000
Slicks = $300
Suspension work = 700

Go 10s
 

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Posted by PeNiNsula302 (Member # 1061) on :
 

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
3 simplest ways to do it from least expensive to most expensive...
All three combos will thrive off slicks and gears first and foremost. Get a 26x8.5 slick, mount it on a pair of stock 10 holes and get 3.73s, 3.90s (i have these and love em), or 4.10 gear

#1:
150 shot of laughing gas. This would be the cheapest way to go, but the costs do get up there once you start considering things such as a blow off valve, bottle heater, refilling the jug etc.
Personally I would not do this route because I can't get myself to drop $40+ every time I want to refill the bottle

#2:
A very well thought out combination of heads, cam, intake...
If it were me, I would get the following
-AFR 165's (milled to 54 cc or so)
-any aftermarket long runner intake (port the lower to match heads)
-I'd research off the shelf cams or get a custom
-24 lb injectors
-75-80mm MAF
-65-70mm TB

#3
Slap on a Vortech S-trim...

All three of these combos can be done for well under $5000 and with some practice should be capable of an 11.9X @ 112-115 with slicks and gears. In fact I know there are two people on this board that have gotten into the 11's with combo #2 (91Pony and FasterDamnit I believe).

If you really want to have fun, pick two of the combos I outlined for you... IN fact I rode in a heads, cam, intake, vortech car yesterday... Blast
Luke

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Posted by 98slowhoe 'FIFTYLX' (Member # 895) on :
 
do whatever heads get an F-cam, RPM intake, and get a Used s-trim. there is nothing like a S-trim. You'll love the sound when you pull up to the stop light. people will look at you like what the hell is wrong with that car it sounds really weird, you can tell the stupid ones "my altenator bearing is going out " Plus they are the cheapest blowers that actually work that you can find out there. they have been around forever and always work!
 

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Posted by AaronC (Member # 86) on :
 
11's for 5k-

Buy my car for 5k and put a set of real slicks under it and go click off some 11.9's.
 

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Posted by 90GT (Member # 3) on :
 
Thats whats referred to as bang for your buck.
 

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