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Originally posted by st5150:
Talk to TheBrain.

It doesn't make sense that the stroker costs the same because the crank is more $$$$.

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I'm thinking about getting the DSS 331 Kit which is like $1100, their 306 kit is $900, that was the $200 diffenece I was talking about. The machinist said he would do it for the same price, just bring him the kit.
 

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Posted by 420racerx (Member # 2838) on :
 
AFR 185 on my 347 work great
i cant see why 331 with 165 wouldnt work good
 

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Posted by 66 AC COBRA (Member # 904) on :
 
the smaller intake valve might hold u back but not by much, if the pics works i will show u a flow table for afr 165 vs trickflow tw head, these are from fordmuscle.com
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exhaust cfm


[ May 20, 2003, 07:46 PM: Message edited by: 66 AC COBRA ]
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
don't leave the 351 out of your possibilities.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Oh, I get it now. It comes down to if you plan a power adder down the line. If so, you can always make up the extra cubes with more boost or spray. If you're sticking NA, more cubes(331) will give you more power at lower RPM's vs the same top half of the motor on a smaller displacement motor(302).
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
The added stroke will lower the powerband of the motor. By ~350-400rpm which normally means more torque ~the same HP peaks....but at lower RPM's.

I'd recomend 185s & a larger cam.
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
I'd like to see high-ports on a 351, a 750 double-pumper carb and a vic-jr. intake. With something like a comp cam 282-HR (mild with that many cubes) you're talking ~425 rwhp box stock parts and 10:1 compression. But Byron can't tune it, lol, have to hit the chevy shop.

Swap to EFI (TFS-R intake?) and probably lose 10-20 HP but hey you might be able to pass smog with a cam swap, that's a plus.
 

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Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on :
 

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Originally posted by 93PONY:
The added stroke will lower the powerband of the motor. By ~350-400rpm which normally means more torque ~the same HP peaks....but at lower RPM's.

I'd recomend 185s & a larger cam.

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Originally posted by 93PONY:
The added stroke will lower the powerband of the motor. By ~350-400rpm which normally means more torque ~the same HP peaks....but at lower RPM's.

I'd recomend 185s & a larger cam.

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I might just go with a larger cam plus the 306. What do you think?

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I think you take to take all the combos you've thought/asked about, write them down on pieces of paper, mix them up and then pick one randomly out of a hat.
 

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Posted by Chosen1 (Member # 1906) on :
 

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Originally posted by shade-tree:
I'd like to see high-ports on a 351, a 750 double-pumper carb and a vic-jr. intake. With something like a comp cam 282-HR (mild with that many cubes) you're talking ~425 rwhp box stock parts and 10:1 compression.

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Originally posted by Glenn:

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Originally posted by 93PONY:
The added stroke will lower the powerband of the motor. By ~350-400rpm which normally means more torque ~the same HP peaks....but at lower RPM's.

I'd recomend 185s & a larger cam.

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I might just go with a larger cam plus the 306. What do you think?

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I think you take to take all the combos you've thought/asked about, write them down on pieces of paper, mix them up and then pick one randomly out of a hat.

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And what is going to suck is, when i do choose the one I want, I am going to want to change it again. I'm going to keep it simple for now.
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by shade-tree:
I'd like to see high-ports on a 351, a 750 double-pumper carb and a vic-jr. intake. With something like a comp cam 282-HR (mild with that many cubes) you're talking ~425 rwhp box stock parts and 10:1 compression.

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ATTN: 93Pony....remember we spoke about the death of my fastbacks motor, this here may be my "BUDGET" replacement.

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I like.
 

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Posted by cobraman_1994 (Member # 467) on :
 

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Originally posted by shade-tree:
I'd like to see high-ports on a 351, a 750 double-pumper carb and a vic-jr. intake. With something like a comp cam 282-HR (mild with that many cubes) you're talking ~425 rwhp box stock parts and 10:1 compression. But Byron can't tune it, lol, have to hit the chevy shop.

Swap to EFI (TFS-R intake?) and probably lose 10-20 HP but hey you might be able to pass smog with a cam swap, that's a plus.

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your getting close to me...only throw in the f-303 cam and the tfs-R intake mantifold and you have a winner
 

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Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :
 
For the price, I would go for the 331 (as a matter of fact, I already did )
AFR 165's, TFS stage 2 cam AND GT-40 intake worked VERY well on my 331. Ran a best of 12.36 @ 110 on Nittos in my 3650+lb 'vert
In a 3100-3200lb car it would have EASILY ran in the 11's
The extra low end torque provided by the stroker and extra velocity provided from the 165's intake runners and 1.90 intake valves made for a pretty potent street combo
If you already have the 165's, don't let that hold you back !!!
I had bought my 165's for my stock short block but developed an oil pressure problem (read: rod knock) and bought the stroker. I had the same worries/concerns that you are having, but just said f*ck it and put the 165's on
I would say stroke it. You won't be disappointed !!!
Good Luck
Brian
 

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Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on :
 

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Originally posted by TheBrain:
For the price, I would go for the 331 (as a matter of fact, I already did )
AFR 165's, TFS stage 2 cam AND GT-40 intake worked VERY well on my 331. Ran a best of 12.36 @ 110 on Nittos in my 3650+lb 'vert
In a 3100-3200lb car it would have EASILY ran in the 11's
The extra low end torque provided by the stroker and extra velocity provided from the 165's intake runners and 1.90 intake valves made for a pretty potent street combo
If you already have the 165's, don't let that hold you back !!!
I had bought my 165's for my stock short block but developed an oil pressure problem (read: rod knock) and bought the stroker. I had the same worries/concerns that you are having, but just said f*ck it and put the 165's on
I would say stroke it. You won't be disappointed !!!
Good Luck
Brian

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Originally posted by TheBrain:
What are the specs on the XE274? You could always go with a cam from Ed, or Brian @ Hitech. Depends on the money you want to spend

Brian

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Brian,
While the 050" specs are close, the XE will have more duration at .200" as they have more aggressive ramp rates. The TFS cams are decent (Crane,) but IMO the XE's are better.

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Posted by 98slowhoe (Member # 895) on :
 
Jim isn't that the cam Rhett runs in his car? He has a 342 and 185's though. It looks to me if it is the same cam it works pretty dang well.
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
232/228 110LSA 112ICL
Or something very similar...basically a cam with ~8-12 degrees of valve overlap & you're looking at a LOT of power.
Your current cam is comparable to the XE274.
You won't gain much from that cam.
From the above cam though....Look out! LOL
 

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Posted by 91blackgt (Member # 868) on :
 
hey what shop are you taking this to???? i need to have my block bored to a 306 as well. now was that $900 for the 306 what does that include???
 

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Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on :
 

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Originally posted by 91blackgt:
hey what shop are you taking this to???? i need to have my block bored to a 306 as well. now was that $900 for the 306 what does that include???

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