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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
ok i am getting a really good deal on a new shortblock, it has an x-303 cam in it, and has i believe the TRW forged pistons. i want some good heads, but i really dont want to have to change the pistons. ive heard the twisted wedges need notched pistons, which is what i want to avoid. will there be any clearance problems with the TW's?? if so what other heads should i look at?? i really need to make a decision soon, getting bored with my car.
 

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Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on :
 
AFR 165's will work with that block and cam I believe. Or any head with a 1.9 intake valve.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
TW's don't need to be notched since their valves come in at an angle. TRW forged pistons are stock on a 5.O. www.californiafords.com/fastest.htm contact the fastest guys in each 'class' and ask them what they're running.
 

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
really??? hmm.... i'm also thinking about getting either the holley systamax 2 intake or the edelbrock rpm 2 intake. what are some good heads with these??
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
The RPM-2 will be fine with either the TW's or AFR's.
 

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
ok i was just told that the TRW pistons arent oem parts. so will the TW's work with sotck pistons??
 

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Posted by The Rick (Member # 327) on :
 

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
ok i was just told that the TRW pistons arent oem parts. so will the TW's work with sotck pistons??

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Mine did.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Its common knowledge that TRW made the stock forged pistons for Ford to put in the 5.O's from '87 to '92. Yes, trick flows TW's will work with stock pistons. Even though they have a larger valve, the valve comes in at an angle so it provides more clearance compared to inline heads that have valves come in straight down.
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
ummm.... with any given cam a TFS head is going to have less clearance than an inline head on a stock shortblock...
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
I was sugar coating things a bit Compare the TW's same valve size to valve size to an inline head
 

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
HAHA i told my friend that TRW were stock pistons, he said otherwise. he even offered to bet money, damn i crumble under pressure from confident people. but anyways, so this shortblock a X-303 cam in it already will this effect the valve clearance or should i be good?? and what inake should i get the holley or rpm 2??
 

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Posted by Camara90 (Member # 134) on :
 
with an x cam and a set of 165's i put down 353 rwhp, and ran a best of 12.3 at 114.8 od nittos.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Dude, you should have called his bluff! Would I mislead you?

http://www.mustanggt.org/gtchange.htm Scroll down to '87

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For 1987, the Mustang was extensively restyled (inside and out).
Engine:
Throttle body and intake bore increased from 58mm to 60mm for 1987.
1986 high-swirl heads were ditched in favor of the truck E7TE castings with 9.0:1 compression.
1986-only flat top pistons were replaced by TRW forged pistons with valve reliefs.
A larger battery rated at 540 amps became standard.

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
ok cool then i should be fine, what kinda number should i be looking at with some TW's, x cam, holley or rpm2 intake, 70mm tb , 73mm maf, and some 24# injectors?? im not looking to make godly amounts of power but i want something that can hit a 12 second 1/4 na. also any good tips on making a good wide power band with decent low end torque?? also my car is an atuomatic.
 

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Posted by ihatethesesns (Member # 684) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
contact the fastest guys in each 'class' and ask them what they're running.

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Wow that was a good attempt at staying away from the whole proven combo debate.
 

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Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on :
 

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Originally posted by Camara90:
with an x cam and a set of 165's i put down 353 rwhp, and ran a best of 12.3 at 114.8 od nittos.

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were these out of the box AFR's? Or were they ported. Thanks.
 

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
hey camara90, what intake where you using to hit the 353rwhp? how much torque??
 

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Posted by PseudoCobra (Member # 1689) on :
 
I like the AFR's, just my $0.02
 

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
anyone else?? i need some kinda deciding factor here.

[ April 12, 2003, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: 92coupe ]
 

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Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on :
 

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
anyone else?? i need some kinda deciding factor here.

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
anyone else?? i need some kinda deciding factor here.

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It is all about what you can afford. If you want, you can wait and see when my car is done, and dynod, what kind of power it puts out. It should be done in two weeks. I am going with AFR 165's Edelbrock RPM intake, Long Tubes, and a custom cam.

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
anyone else?? i need some kinda deciding factor here.

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It is all about what you can afford. If you want, you can wait and see when my car is done, and dynod, what kind of power it puts out. It should be done in two weeks. I am going with AFR 165's Edelbrock RPM intake, Long Tubes, and a custom cam.

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What compression?

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
well what is better straight out of the box, TW's or 165's???

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
ok i was just looking at the AFR site and the 185's are only 25 bucks more, just i get these intsead?? would i have problems with piston 2 valve clearance with an x-303 cam (.542intake .542 exhuast)??

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
ok i was just looking at the AFR site and the 185's are only 25 bucks more, just i get these intsead?? would i have problems with piston 2 valve clearance with an x-303 cam (.542intake .542 exhuast)??

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yes you would.

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Actaully, you shouldn't have P2V issues with the X303. That cam has 0 degrees of valve overlap. Really depends on how it's installed as to how much clearance you would have.

For a definative answer, call up Ed Curtis at www.flowtechinduction.com
he will know for sure...& also has those heads in stock.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 

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Originally posted by 93PONY:

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
well what is better straight out of the box, TW's or 165's???

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AFR165's

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You didn't even ask the guy for what application/goals. Bias BS
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 

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Originally posted by ihatethesesns:

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Originally posted by st5150:
contact the fastest guys in each 'class' and ask them what they're running.

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Wow that was a good attempt at staying away from the whole proven combo debate.

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Thanks, I thought it was pretty cleaver myself It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone (most people) that there are discrepancies between what works in real life and what "sounds like it'll work good" on the internet.
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by 93PONY:

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
well what is better straight out of the box, TW's or 165's???

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AFR165's

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You didn't even ask the guy for what application/goals. Bias BS

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I'm REALLY getting tired of all this bull-shit you keep posting. I'm sure others are as well.

Here again, is a smily just for you:

 

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Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
here we go again
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
well what is better straight out of the box, TW's or 165's???

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hey camara90, what intake where you using to hit the 353rwhp? how much torque??

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
well what is better straight out of the box, TW's or 165's???

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Originally posted by jmcclesk:
jim, then why are you running T/F heads???? sorry had to stir the pot

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They were cheap!
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
well what is better straight out of the box, TW's or 165's???

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I'll try to answer this question properly and unbiasly unlike previous replies.

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Are you saying I am biased and giving bad advice?
 

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Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
jim the 1/4 mile god's say the 11.92 will fall to you SOON but trust me I WILL BE BACK

[ April 13, 2003, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: jmcclesk ]
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by jmcclesk:
jim the 1/4 mile god's say the 11.92 will fall to you SOON

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jim the 1/4 mile god's say the 11.92 will fall to you SOON

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I sure hope so. And every single step will be documented w/ the facts for everyone to draw their own conclusions.

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That's what I like about you Jim. Just facts. Whether it works or not, it's documented!
 

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Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
finaly, hell i would let chemical ali port my heads if it picked up a .10th
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 

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here we go again

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Yup But not for too long, I have HW to do.

The thing us, you can never win with these zealous custom cam/AFR cult fanatics. Even when presented with dyno evidence on their own automobile that goes against their claims, they denounce SAE corrected dyno numbers as a valid form of comparisons.
Again, you can't win with zealous cult fanatics. It?s a religious crusade of sorts for them. One thing zelots, cult fanatics, mindless followers and distraught disciples lack is a sense of logic and independent thought. They accept the teachings of a "master" and campaign those ideas at all cost. Anything that goes against their "masters" ideology is incorrect, the enemy, immoral, sinful, erroneous, untrue, fallacious, mistaken, ect.

Jon, I ask you and my fellow leaders of the free world... how can we win?

[ April 13, 2003, 07:34 PM: Message edited by: st5150 ]
 

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Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
jim did you get the picts
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Yup But not for too long, I have HW to do.

The thing us, you can never win with these zealous custom cam/AFR cult fanatics. Even when presented with dyno evidence on their own automobile that goes against their claims, they denounce SAE corrected dyno numbers as a valid form of comparisons.
Again, you can't win with zealous cult fanatics. It?s a religious crusade of sorts for them. One thing zelots, cult fanatics, mindless followers and distraught disciples lack is a sense of logic and independent thought. They accept the teachings of a "master" and campaign those ideas at all cost. Anything that goes against their "masters" ideology is incorrect, the enemy, immoral, sinful, erroneous, untrue, fallacious, mistaken, ect.

Jon, I ask you and my fellow leaders of the free world... how can we win?

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And you haven't ansered my question.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Jim, my compositions take a long time to compose compared to the pace of this war But yeah, A) You have no idea what the guys goals are B) You have no dyno/track proof to make your statement.

Hell, if I was one of the fastest all motor 302's around with TFS heads, I wouldn't want anyone running my combo either Why stop at AFR's, tell the guy to get some Holley heads ported by Excessive Motorsports

Jon - Chemical Ali = Dead. Maybe FED-EX delivers to HELL?

[ April 13, 2003, 07:42 PM: Message edited by: st5150 ]
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 
double post.

[ April 13, 2003, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: FasterDamnit ]
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
st5150:
Do you ever back up your outlandish statements??? Not that I've seen! Hell, you haven't proven a damn thing!
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
What claim have I made that I haven't proven? You're the crusader with claims, not I. I'm one of the defenders of the free world Carry on with your custom cam/AFR jihad, but turn on the news sometime, you're losing the war

[ April 13, 2003, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: st5150 ]
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
Jim, my compositions take a long time to compose compared to the pace of this war But yeah, A) You have no idea what the guys goals are B) You have no dyno/track proof to make your statement.

Hell, if I was one of the fastest all motor 302's around with TFS heads, I wouldn't want anyone running my combo either Why stop at AFR's, tell the guy to get some Holley heads ported by Excessive Motorsports

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Because I have had both sets of heads in my hands w/ independent flowbench testing numbers to accompany them. I see the same SAE corected dyno numbers for various combo's just as you do. I hope to be doing this sort of stuff as my sole source of income in the not too distant future, so I take it very seriously. I give my opinion based on carefully considered data. And I did qualify the statement. The AFR's will make more power out of the box on a 302-306 then the TW's, no matter what the rest of the application is. If he replies that he is trying to build a 347 or 408, then my answer obviously does not apply (hence the qualification.) You can be as flip as you like, but I do not give facetious answers to those asking for help. Nor do I snipe at opposing opinions just to make myself feel bigger. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and...

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I have TW heads because I got lucky and found a set that matched my needs at an excellent price. I would have bought the AFR's if I had found them at that price first. I am completely brand indifferent. If it works, it works and I will try to use it to go faster. Then I will report my results for everyone else to see. Not just theorize.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Jim, let me know when there will be a local A/B comparason dyno test between the two. Last time I checked, flow benches and data sheets didn't measure HP

(Looks like one of the leaders of the free world became a turn coat )

ps- I agree with your brand indifference and "bought it cheap" theory. Like Jon said, I'd fed ex my heads to hell and have chemical ali port them if it made more power. I'd cool my upper intake with cow dung if it was worth a proven tenth, I don't care, I'm one crazy mo fo

[ April 13, 2003, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: st5150 ]
 

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Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :
 
Cant we all just get along please
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
Jim, let me know when there will be a local A/B comparason dyno test between the two. Last time I checked, flow benches and data sheets didn't measure HP

(Looks like one of the leaders of the free world became a turn coat )

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Since no one ever bothers to make sure the combustion chambers are the same size, it seems that the AFR's have a slight edge for NA motors and TFS have the edge for power adder motors and when it comes to being ported by a reputable shop (TEA, ecT), no doubt TFS's win hands down. Also make no mistake about it Jim, if your heads had AFR stamped on them and ran the same numbers, internet racers from coast to coast would put your on their shoulder and march you around town as their hero in their holy war against TFS.

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And this is productive, how???
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
I find it humurous for one thing. Jon's chemical ali joke, along with the previous saddam/crustom cam'd tanks were really funny
 

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Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :
 

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
ok i am getting a really good deal on a new shortblock, it has an x-303 cam in it, and has i believe the TRW forged pistons. i want some good heads, but i really dont want to have to change the pistons. ive heard the twisted wedges need notched pistons, which is what i want to avoid. will there be any clearance problems with the TW's?? if so what other heads should i look at?? i really need to make a decision soon, getting bored with my car.

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Originally posted by st5150:
Jim, let me know when there will be a local A/B comparason dyno test between the two. Last time I checked, flow benches and data sheets didn't measure HP

(Looks like one of the leaders of the free world became a turn coat )

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I might be able to arrange that. Can you?

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I might be able too as well. The rick had just done the all TFS combo on his car with an off the shelf stage 1 cam, I did the AFR custom cam combo on mine. We are both planning to have our cars dyno tuned sometime in the near future. Will this be a good comparison?
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Glenn, yes it would be a good comparason if Rick gets his car's problems sorted out. Obviously it has issues since its making the same 220ish rwhp that it did when it was stock Make sure you let us know when you have them tuned.
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
What claim have I made that I haven't proven? You're the crusader with claims, not I. I'm one of the defenders of the free world Carry on with your custom cam/AFR jihad, but turn on the news sometime, you're losing the war

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"when it comes to being ported by a reputable shop (TEA, ecT), no doubt TFS's win hands down"

Prove it! Back your shit up!

There are FAR more claims you've made....this is just the latest.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
www.californiafords.com/fastest.htm I don't prove anything, my fellow local 5.O racers do. That list has some updating to do, but Mark won't update it because Joe would be ahead of Jim on the list if he updated it
 

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
well what is better straight out of the box, TW's or 165's???

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I'll try to answer this question properly and unbiasly unlike previous replies.

What is your goal? What application? Any long term plans? How tight of a budget?

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Originally posted by st5150:

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
well what is better straight out of the box, TW's or 165's???

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I'll try to answer this question properly and unbiasly unlike previous replies.

What is your goal? What application? Any long term plans? How tight of a budget?

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my plans/goals are fairly simple :

1)reliable
2)has to be able hold a 150-250 n20 shot
3)shooting for mid 11's
4)good dialy driver
5)DECENT low end torque, not great though

my budget isnt the greatest, and i never set a limit. since i am only 17, and still attend school full time and have a part time job. i average atleast 1,000 a month. soon to be promoted so i should be making twice that atleast. i work commison at Sears.

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Originally posted by st5150:
www.californiafords.com/fastest.htm I don't prove anything, my fellow local 5.O racers do. That list has some updating to do, but Mark won't update it because Joe would be ahead of Jim on the list if he updated it

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Stock shortblock....
For max power on the stock shortblock AFR165's, performer or RPM intake & a mild little custom cam will give you an easy 100RWHP over what you have now. Of course, a cam like that will most likely not pass the sniffer.

The real problem is budget. AFR's are not cheap. Nor is the cam. However, the difference is price (a few hundred total) is well worth the added power/drivability.

I say save up for the 'ultimate' stock shortblock combo.
 

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
would this work, 302 based new TRW pistons, x-303 cam, with AFR 165 or 185's?? i just need to know what has clearance and what does not. what about the same thing but with the TW's??
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Internet list? Its a list of times ran at the track 10 minutes from where you sleep. How the hell can it be an internet list? You're the one telling this 92coupe kid to run some combo that you have never seen with your own eyes, but only HEARD ABOUT on the internet. I can't believe you just pissed on all the local racers on that list. With blaytant bending of the truth like that.... I hear Iraq needs a new information minister



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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
It's a list on the internet isn't it?
Does it include ALL local Ford racers that run hard at the track??? NOPE!

The 185's should clear with the X cam...but call up Ed C for some definate answers. I'd also advise getting the heads from him if you do go with AFR's. He has them in stock.....recently most have waited over 1 month to recive their AFR's.

BTW, a beter intake choice with the X cam is the performer. Ed will confirm this.
 

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
also, whats better with N20 afr or TW's??? my friend ran a 11.97 @ 113. with: TW's, cobra intake, e303 cam, 255lph fuel pump, 24# injectors, 70mm tb, not sure on the maf. 3.55 gears. and slicks. that was with i believe a 200 shot maybe 250 shot. but just tought id ask since ima run n20 most liekly for sure, or a blower.
 

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Posted by bunchmyfunky (Member # 360) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
www.californiafords.com/fastest.htm I don't prove anything, my fellow local 5.O racers do. That list has some updating to do, but Mark won't update it because Joe would be ahead of Jim on the list if he updated it

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Pulling me into the fire. Joe updated the list last
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
also, whats better with N20 afr or TW's??? my friend ran a 11.97 @ 113. with: TW's, cobra intake, e303 cam, 255lph fuel pump, 24# injectors, 70mm tb, not sure on the maf. 3.55 gears. and slicks. that was with i believe a 200 shot maybe 250 shot. but just tought id ask since ima run n20 most liekly for sure, or a blower.

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
also, whats better with N20 afr or TW's??? my friend ran a 11.97 @ 113. with: TW's, cobra intake, e303 cam, 255lph fuel pump, 24# injectors, 70mm tb, not sure on the maf. 3.55 gears. and slicks. that was with i believe a 200 shot maybe 250 shot. but just tought id ask since ima run n20 most liekly for sure, or a blower.

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No offense man, but those times are weak with any sort of a N2O shot.
With the right stock shortblock combo, you can run that N/A with an average weight foxbody.

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
also, whats better with N20 afr or TW's??? my friend ran a 11.97 @ 113. with: TW's, cobra intake, e303 cam, 255lph fuel pump, 24# injectors, 70mm tb, not sure on the maf. 3.55 gears. and slicks. that was with i believe a 200 shot maybe 250 shot. but just tought id ask since ima run n20 most liekly for sure, or a blower.

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No offense man, but those times are weak with any sort of a N2O shot.
With the right stock shortblock combo, you can run that N/A with an average weight foxbody.

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oh sorry forgot to mention that his #7 cylinder was having trouble running lean, and to find out that he had a hole through is #8 piston. damn thats hella slow for being that fucked up.

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Originally posted by 93PONY:
It's a list on the internet isn't it?
Does it include ALL local Ford racers that run hard at the track??? NOPE!

The 185's should clear with the X cam...but call up Ed C for some definate answers. I'd also advise getting the heads from him if you do go with AFR's. He has them in stock.....recently most have waited over 1 month to recive their AFR's.

BTW, a beter intake choice with the X cam is the performer. Ed will confirm this.

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So is Ed paying you to advertise for him here? If so, I want a slice I can't believe you took a 7 rwhp loss and $330 up the bung hole for that loser and you still tout him as god like. Quit being such a good little disciple and grow a pair and ask for your money back or a new cam, don't toss out data that goes against the custom cam jihad your master has sent you on. Seriously, let it go. Don't be such a zealot and have fun with this like I am Spending your time and money trying to "prove something" will quickly suck the fun out of this hobby as I'm sure you've quickly began to notice. Look at me, I treat it as a hobby, not a religous crusade. I have a lot of fun with it and have never set out on a crusade to "prove a point" or anything. I simply don't care

The true UNBIAS, answer for 92coupe is:

Dude, for your application it really doesn't matter which head you run. When you mash the gas, you won't be able to feel the difference between the two heads. Other factors in your combo will make a bigger difference. Talk to real life local owners of both brand heads and ask them what their thoughts and results are with each and make up your mind. You can't go wrong either way.

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 

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Originally posted by st5150:
www.californiafords.com/fastest.htm I don't prove anything, my fellow local 5.O racers do. That list has some updating to do, but Mark won't update it because Joe would be ahead of Jim on the list if he updated it

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Pulling me into the fire. Joe updated the list last

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Posted by 92coupe (Member # 1957) on :
 
thanks for all the help guys, i think ima say fuck the AFR's and save the 4 hundred dollars. as long as the twised wedges will clear the pistons, which im sure they will. well thanks for all the help, ill post up sometime soon of what exaclty im running ad the times i run.
 

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Posted by Glenn (Member # 520) on :
 

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Originally posted by 92coupe:
thanks for all the help guys, i think ima say fuck the AFR's and save the 4 hundred dollars. as long as the twised wedges will clear the pistons, which im sure they will. well thanks for all the help, ill post up sometime soon of what exaclty im running ad the times i run.

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What ever you go with, I think you'll be happy in the end, making more power than you currently have is always good.
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
If you're looking for "real world" #'s from a local, here's my 3 combos that have run decently:

untouched longblock (stock heads,cam,rockers,never a valve cover off) + explorer intake + 3.73 gears + MT ET Streets + long tubes + U/D pullies + iced intake + bypassed smog and PS w/weight reduction:
12.93 @ 104.7 w/1.72 60' @ 3030 lbs raceweight

Went to a '94 cobra longblock and a tremec 3550, deleted AC, added a edelbrock performer intake so now it's GT-40 irons (untouched), cobra cam(sucks), 1.7 rockers, stock '94 cobra shortblock @ 55k miles, edelbrock performer intake, same longtubes, gears, tire, but no underdrives or bypassed PS this time:
12.52 @ 107.8 w/1.71 60' @ 3070 lbs raceweight

Went to TFS heads, edelbrock performer rpm intake, and an Anderson N-41 cam, otherwise same everything still no underdrive pullies, but bypassed PS
12.08 @ 113.78 w/1.71 60' @ 3000 lbs. raceweight

so would AFR + the HOLY GRAIL (I mean custom cam) be a little quicker? Maybe. Maybe not.

I'd say you can't go wrong with AFR, TFS, those new edelbrock heads, Windsor JR/SR, or even the hunble GT-40P head. Why is this? There's more to making HP in a combo than just the flowsheet, and just because one head might flow more air in certain aspects doesn't mean that a "inferior" head won't produce more power or similar power not necessarily less power in a given combination.

What's more impressive? A 300 rwhp GT-40P car or a 300 rwhp AFR + custom cam car? What if the AFR + custom cam car makes 320 rwhp? What then? What if it makes 290? Now what?

I'm hardly the best driver, but if you get close to my weight you should run close to those times with these mods.

[ April 13, 2003, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: shade-tree ]
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
what all did you remove for weight reduction? Ive taken out almost everything I can from the hatch including back seats and carpeting and spare and jack and all that. Under the hood there is no ps, smog, or ac. I'm trying to get my gt pretty light, just lookin for more tips, thanks
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
the last time I saw that GT I'd say I should be asking you for tips!
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
well it doesnt have a 351 w/ an s-trim anymore though.........does have a nice suprise though!
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
jayl is working on his very own 'molested whore' of a 5.O
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
yep, this is the 4th motor

stock
306 w/ s trim went 11.9
351 w/ s trim went 11.1@124 w/6lbs
3?? w/ ?????? gonna go ?

i am pretty pissed though........summit said they sold out of the chrome mudflaps i wanted because the gay pride club kept doing group purchases!
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
by the way, how is the virgin boy scout lx doing?
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 

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Originally posted by jayl:
yep, this is the 4th motor

stock
306 w/ s trim went 11.9
351 w/ s trim went 11.1@124 w/6lbs
3?? w/ ?????? gonna go ?

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Only 3?? cubes? I heard in your circle, you need at least 408ci and 300 cfm heads to run low 12's

My LX is doing fine, thanks for asking. I've been mashing it daily since you were driving a Z28. When you wrecked it and were driving NIKE's, I was still mashing it every day. Years later when you wised up and got a beater 'stang... yup, still mash'n it Wide Open Throttle 24/7 Why are you hate'n? Pissed that I was chirping 2nd gear all those years you were with out a V8 Its all good, I'm just play'n with you. I don't even know you.

Oh yeah, its the 5th motor in that car.... open up its history book.

[ April 13, 2003, 11:32 PM: Message edited by: st5150 ]
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
wow, and to think i wouldnt even get a response!

hmm where to begin......yeah im sure you were keepin that thing floored but not in the rain with your slicks n skinnies because lord knows how crazy these stock h/c/i combos can be! My z28 was a slow cruiser with power everything and low mileage that would feast on 199 rwhp beaters all day long.....and in my circle you gotta have anything more than 302 cubes to have fun because others stepped to the plate now its your turn.

and i no i didnt know about the other motors in my car because i dont care, I like whores, especially molested ones.......
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
At least you know what you like and don't deny it Anyways, that car had two 302's in it from what I remember. Justin can fill you in. What did your old Z28 run anyways?
 

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Posted by 93mustangt (Member # 680) on :
 
Hey shade-tree off subject I was thinking of bypassing all of that to any gains?Did you feel any power difference?And to bypass the p/s do i have to do anything special?most of the reason i want to take all this out cause i want to clean the engine compartment.Thanks in advance
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
i managed to crash my z before it ever hit the track........and im not gonna guess and use my ass gtech , but it was fun...and my first "real" car I paid for on my own that wasnt a cheap ass beater.......

but back to molested whores, i guarantee this car will see another two motors at least.......im really interested in an R302 based stroker, and a Procharger.....and maybe a lenntech aod.....just a nice 600hp cruiser......ahh dreams are fun
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
You shouldn't clown on my LX then I drove old faithfull to the track, did nothing more than put ice on the intake to cool it from its 80 mile drive, let out some air from the tires and took out my tools and spare and clicked off back to back 13.7's@101 mph.... its spanked a few stocker LT1's in its day ( http://reality.exsgi.org/sawson/mycar/mpg/smoked_clutch_and_beat_lt1.mpg )
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
its ok, ill avenge the lt1 with this white one! maybe ill squeak a 13.999949574 @ 98.3434 , that would be sweet. But yes that is impressive because i dont really like these cars when they are stock.

This is fun an all, but how come no chris to jump in here?
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
You must hate Z06's and Viper's then

ZO6
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 

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Originally posted by jayl:
these cars

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as in 5.0's

I dont remember saying z06s or vipers......ill take a stock 03 cobra for that matter as well. Or a nice stock Mclaren F1
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
Okay, I misread your post. These cars with some gears and pullies is what made them so popular and famous if you were around in the early 90's to remeber them. Interesting you don't like 5.O's in stocker form, but each to their own. Good luck on your beast. Its been fun and all, but I need to finish my HW
 

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Posted by jayl (Member # 185) on :
 
yeah to each their own.........have fun with your homework.....im gonna go do some more molesting!
 

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