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Posted by Tinner (Member # 2688) on :
 
What do you all think of thier work?
Do you see anything wrong w/the combo below?
Would I be better of going w/AFR205's and a demon carb.?

Thanks,
Tinner

450 - 525HP 408 Ford stroker: Fully prepped & machined (cleaned, bored, honed, decked, align honed) 351W tall deck block fitted with ARP main bolts and new cam bearings, 4340 forged steel stroker crank, 6.25" 4340 forged steel H-beam rods fitted with huge 7/16" ARP bolts, JE/SRP forged super lite pistons with full floating wrist pins and plasma moly rings, Melling oil pump and hardened shaft, Special hardened main and rod bearings, new double row timing assembly, custom solid roller cam with after market light weight roller lifters, Edelbrock Victor Jr. aluminum heads, Chrome moly push rods and aluminum roller rockers, Fel-Pro gaskets, SCE race head gaskets, new nodular iron harmonic balancer and flex plate, Port matched Edelbrock Victor Jr. intake manifold. Holley 750 carb and billet MSD distributor. Engine is assembled with stainless steel bolts and comes fully balanced. $7.995 outright. Add one of our billet main supports for an extra $349.95

[ April 07, 2003, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: Tinner ]
 

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Posted by 1990GT50 (Member # 2119) on :
 
are you gonna stay all motor or do you want to add a power adder sometime? if so be sure you plan your compression accordingly.
 

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Posted by Tinner (Member # 2688) on :
 
Maybe a small shot later on.
 

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Posted by 67stang12s (Member # 2314) on :
 
im not sure about the afr 205s but the victor jrs are okay and it should be a 750 barry grant carb
i was wondering what is the compression ratio of the motor?
and a nice little 100 shot atleast youre forged you gotta do it
 

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Posted by Tinner (Member # 2688) on :
 
I would guess around 10:1
 

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Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on :
 
What is the purpose of the car(drag racing, street/strip, roadracing)? How much REAR WHEEL horsepower are you looking for?
 

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Posted by racercosmo (Member # 1864) on :
 
Arron is a good guy to work with. He built the motor for my old Chevy truck, and I didn't have any complaints. There is a girl that runs a 65 Mustang in the 10s at Sears Point with a 408 from Badass.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
The guy knows more about building small block fords than any of us so I'd listen to him.

As for the AFR vs Edelbrock victor debate..... here is the local run down from what I've seen. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

Pretty much all the all motor 10 second local small block fords run the edelbrock victor series heads

Pretty much all the local internet guys that talk about a motor they're building ten (10) years from now plan to run AFR205's
 

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Posted by Tinner (Member # 2688) on :
 
The car will be used for street/strip I would be happy w/ any thing above 425 rwhp.
 

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Posted by Jeff S (Member # 371) on :
 
Tinner,

If you are only are looking for a 425-450rwhp street/strip combo there is absolutely no reason for a solid roller cam. I'd go with a hydraulic roller.
 

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Posted by Tinner (Member # 2688) on :
 
Here is an estimate from a shop I was told "they are expensive but they do really good work and they stand behind their work".

ALL PART TO BE TOP OF THE LINE

PARTS

forged crank,h-beam rods,forged pistons,
race bearings and rings---------------$2000
core engine ---------------$250
AFR or Brodix track1's complete ------$1700
roller rocker set---------------------$295
moly pushrods-------------------------$120
lower end gasket set------------------$26
fel pro perf. head gaskets------------$78
fp-18 cam bearings h.p.---------------$22
flat tappet cam and lifter kit--specs to be discussed ---add $500 for roller kit-$200
hex adjust timing set-----------------$180
brass freeze plug kit-----------------$12
m84hv oil pump and drive--------------$48
sfi approved balancer-----------------$200
Vic jr intake manifold----------------$300
misc. ARP fasteners-------------------$200

BALANCE V-8---------------------------$185-400

BORE & HONE V-8-----------------------$150

ASSEMBLE LONG BLOCK -- TIN EXTRA -----$350

LABOR

releive block for strocker crank------$125
r&r piston set------------------------$55
press off and heat and assemble
degree camshaft-----------------------$65
hot tank block------------------------$95
resuface common v-8 block-------------$85
file fit rings------------------------$65
sales tax-----------------------------$425.18

TOTAL $7,269

What do you all think????????

[ April 22, 2003, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: Tinner ]
 

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Posted by Chosen1 (Member # 1906) on :
 
Have Bayshore Racing Engines build you a motor. Give them a call and a projected budget amount and they will build you something wicked!!! I am wiling to bet that they are superior dollar for dollar. Lots of local people on this board have gone through Bayshore.
 

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Posted by Tinner (Member # 2688) on :
 
Where are they located?
 

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Posted by Tinner (Member # 2688) on :
 
Has any one herd of Paul's Empire Head ?
 

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Posted by Chosen1 (Member # 1906) on :
 

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Where are they located?

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Originally posted by Tinner:
Where are they located?

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Bayshore Racing Engines is at 301 Barneveld in San Francisco. Call and talk to Dave. He is the owner and KNOWS HIS SHIT!!! Very Cool Guy!

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415-647-9575....
 

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Posted by Tinner (Member # 2688) on :
 
Do you think it is worth the time to buy the parts myself and have a shop put all together?
 

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Posted by Chosen1 (Member # 1906) on :
 
I wouldnt buy any parts until you know EXACTLY what you want your motor to do, and you have an idea of how much money you are willing to spend. Call Bayshore!!!
 

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