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Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

Well, after my frustrations with the custom cam guys, I decided to look into something off the shelf:D It's a comp cam 224/232, .555in/.565ex, 112 LSA. Will be going in a 347, AFR 185's with a systemax intake, 3.55 gears, 5-speed. Has anyone had any experience running this cam? What about smogging? I have that page saved where they dynoed 5-6 cams including this one, just trying to get a little more info in it:) Would it really be worth the extra money to go custom? Both HP and $ wise?

Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :

That sounds like a comp cam 274HR. You basically have zero chance of a legit smog with it. It's a mean cam, I ran it on an N/A 302 and I have no idea how good it was (long story) but it should have been a screamer.

Anyways, I think it is a tad small for a 347, just my humble opinion, and has too much overlap for smog purposes.

Also from the dyno pages I've seen it's an excellent blower cam though.

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

That cam has 4 degrees of overlap @.050 lift. Rule of thumb is 0 to 1 degree max & it'll squeek by the smog Nazi's.

That being said, I think the exhaust it overly bias for AFR185's....unless you plan on runnin stock manifolds & H-pipe.

& Yes, for the extra ~$50 it's WELL worth it to go custom. Comp charges $259 + shipping for an off-shelf or custom. Custom grinds cost $325 & under shipped to your door.

I don't know why you're having such trouble with the grinders out there..... I just placed an order with Ed Curtis yesterday.

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

I was able to get ahold of Brian at hitech, so we are gonna get something worked out. He suggested I go with the AFR 205's though, guess we will see:D

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by boosted89Saleen:
I was able to get ahold of Brian at hitech, so we are gonna get something worked out. He suggested I go with the AFR 205's though, guess we will see:D

No smog with those!

Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
I just placed an order with Ed Curtis yesterday.

I'm speechless...

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

lol, this place is buggin out today

[ January 21, 2003, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: boosted89Saleen ]

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

I'm just bored, can't you guys tell?

[ January 21, 2003, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: boosted89Saleen ]

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

Man, triple post! [Embarrassed]

[ January 21, 2003, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: boosted89Saleen ]

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by FasterDamnit:

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
I just placed an order with Ed Curtis yesterday.

I'm speechless...

Yep....I'm gonna let the Man do it this time.
My cam was too small & to get the stock to peak were I want it to, it still won't make the peak HP I want.
I'll probably keep this cam around for someone looking for a cam for their tow vehicle. Installed straight up, the low-end would be increadible....Peak HP would be ~5100rpm.

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

Fake the smog ports on the back of the heads. Just rig the lines back there. No smog guy will ever bend over that far or wiggle it to see if its securely mounted or actually connected. Visual inspections are BS, you can fake it all. CARB numbers, lines that really don't connected to anything. Things that are hooked up but not functional, its all good and part of the game.

Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:
Fake the smog ports on the back of the heads. Just rig the lines back there. No smog guy will ever bend over that far or wiggle it to see if its securely mounted or actually connected. Visual inspections are BS, you can fake it all. CARB numbers, lines that really don't connected to anything. Things that are hooked up but not functional, its all good and part of the game.

good post, wrong thread? [Confused]

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

No, its the right thread. The AFR 205's don't have the air ports in the back of the heads much like TFS high ports.

Posted by FasterDamnit (Member # 442) on :

Joe, put the lighter down and step away from the bong....
[Big Grin]

Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :

If you have AFR 205's, they're also spec'd for a solid roller cam.

Who gives a crap about smog at that point? [patriot]

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

quote:
Originally posted by shade-tree:
If you have AFR 205's, they're also spec'd for a solid roller cam.

Who gives a crap about smog at that point?

I dont have them yet, but that was my plan to go with the 185 till I talked with Brian.

Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :

thats the cam im running in my 342 and it really has impressed me with how tame it is. you can barely even hear it, yet it gets it on quite well. works for me. [patriot]

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by FasterDamnit:
Joe, put the lighter down and step away from the bong....

No, damnit! Pass it this way. Don't F'up the rotation. [Big Grin]

The XE274HR is an excellent cam & will pull hard in a 347....but Brian Ebert can do MUCH better! [Eek!]

& it will never pass smog.
I'd say just get everything you can from him. (heads, valvetrain, block, etc) He'll put it together right & you WILL be a very happy man. Run circles around your old boosted motor. Just make sure he knows that you want to pass smog. It's gonna limit things to a respectable level. He'll probably get you in the upper teens (MPH wise) in the 1/4 & pass smog. If smog wasn't a concern, it sounds like he wanted to get you well over 400RWHP. (WELL over)

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

quote:
The XE274HR is an excellent cam & will pull hard in a 347....but Brian Ebert can do MUCH better! & it will never pass smog.
I'd say just get everything you can from him. (heads, valvetrain, block, etc) He'll put it together right & you WILL be a very happy man. Run circles around your old boosted motor. Just make sure he knows that you want to pass smog. It's gonna limit things to a respectable level. He'll probably get you in the upper teens (MPH wise) in the 1/4 & pass smog. If smog wasn't a concern, it sounds like he wanted to get you well over 400RWHP. (WELL over)[/QB]

I probably would have gone with him for everything, but I already have the shortblock coming from KC. I bought it unassembled and will be doing all the fun stuff myself [dance]

Yah, the smog issue what what we talked about quite a bit. That and the whole shortie issue. I might just end up going a longtube setup and switch to shorties come smog time. 375-400RWHP is what I am aiming for [Big Grin]

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:

I don't know why you're having such trouble with the grinders out there..... I just placed an order with Ed Curtis yesterday.

A local FTI cam'd car at last [burnout]

Actually, I'm gettinv vibes that TheBrain has gone with FTI for the whole top half of his 331 [Eek!]

As for SMOG stuff..... remember, come summer time, they won't test emissions at idle anymore. Just 15mph and 20 mph on the dyno. Low 2000 RPM's for a 3.73 geared car. So picking a "SMOG cam" based on how it will idle will be useless.

[ January 21, 2003, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: st5150 ]

Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on :

Shade-tree and 5150 i have turned BOTH of you in to the Bar (smog) enforcement officer.

Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jmcclesk:
Shade-tree and 5150 i have turned BOTH of you in to the Bar (smog) enforcement officer.

LMAO, are they gonna pull it out of the garage [Wink]

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

quote:
Originally posted by jmcclesk:
Shade-tree and 5150 i have turned BOTH of you in to the Bar (smog) enforcement officer.

It won't matter, I'm already going to a test-only station for the rest of my life.... even though I always pass [Big Grin]

ps- Look what I got over the weekend... my universal CARB kit. Its garunteed to make any automotive part CARB aproved [Big Grin]

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=35121

Posted by 91sleeper (Member # 779) on :

Haha stamping your own carb and eo numbers [dance]

nice.

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

You guys think a Track Heat intake would match my combo good? I was gonna go Holley, but just couldn't find one without forking over almost 6 bills for a new one. I think I will stick with the 185's also, 205's start out at $1700!

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

I think the TFS-R intake or Victor Jr EFI would be a better match than the track heat. I think you'll have to spend $500-600 for the intake regardless.

Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:
I think the TFS-R intake or Victor Jr EFI would be a better match than the track heat. I think you'll have to spend $500-600 for the intake regardless.

what about the lowly edelbrock perf rpm? its smog legal as well as those 185s for the perverted "visual" smog nazi. also could one of you explain why the XE274 cam wont pass a smog in laymens terms?

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

Hold out for the new Edelbrock air-gap RPM intake.

The XE274HR will not pass smog because of too much valve overlap @.050 lift. The more overlap you have @.050, the more un-burned air/fuel goes right out the exhaust increasing emissions.
Anything is possible though. With a good tune & a restrictive exhaust (stock headers, h-pipe) you may be able to squeek by the sniffer.

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

Remember, starting this summer, they won't test SMOG at idle anymore. Let the cam "lope" as hard as you want as long as its clean around 2000 RPM (15 & 25 MPH)

Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Hold out for the new Edelbrock air-gap RPM intake.

The XE274HR will not pass smog because of too much valve overlap @.050 lift. The more overlap you have @.050, the more un-burned air/fuel goes right out the exhaust increasing emissions.
Anything is possible though. With a good tune & a restrictive exhaust (stock headers, h-pipe) you may be able to squeek by the sniffer.

your the guy with the bitchen 93 cobra twin turbo yes?

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by season'd 88:

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Hold out for the new Edelbrock air-gap RPM intake.

The XE274HR will not pass smog because of too much valve overlap @.050 lift. The more overlap you have @.050, the more un-burned air/fuel goes right out the exhaust increasing emissions.
Anything is possible though. With a good tune & a restrictive exhaust (stock headers, h-pipe) you may be able to squeek by the sniffer.
your the guy with the bitchen 93 cobra twin turbo yes?

Yes Rhet (sp?) that's me....

FYI: As rpm's increase, so does the effect of valve overlap. IE, the most unburned air/fuel will be passed through the exhaust at peak torque.

Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:
Remember, starting this summer, they won't test SMOG at idle anymore. Let the cam "lope" as hard as you want as long as its clean around 2000 RPM (15 & 25 MPH)

i wasnt aware of this. where did you get this info? seems odd that they would do something like this in this state.

Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:

quote:
Originally posted by season'd 88:

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Hold out for the new Edelbrock air-gap RPM intake.

The XE274HR will not pass smog because of too much valve overlap @.050 lift. The more overlap you have @.050, the more un-burned air/fuel goes right out the exhaust increasing emissions.
Anything is possible though. With a good tune & a restrictive exhaust (stock headers, h-pipe) you may be able to squeek by the sniffer.
your the guy with the bitchen 93 cobra twin turbo yes?
Yes Rhet (sp?) that's me....

FYI: As rpm's increase, so does the effect of valve overlap. IE, the most unburned air/fuel will be passed through the exhaust at peak torque.

ok im finally putting faces with names btw its Rhett. i through together my combo based on reading stuff here and there but im always willing to learn. see you again at the track.

Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:

A local FTI cam'd car at last

Actually, I'm gettinv vibes that TheBrain has gone with FTI for the whole top half of his 331

[ January 23, 2003, 09:47 PM: Message edited by: TheBrain ]

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

QUOTE]Originally posted by st5150:
I think the TFS-R intake or Victor Jr EFI would be a better match than the track heat. I think you'll have to spend $500-600 for the intake regardless.[/QUOTE]

I thought about that, but I won't be revving the car over 6500, and I thought those intakes were for the higher rpms? I can pick up a new track heat for $350, that was the major reason for going with it [dance]

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

You are right about the Victor Jr & TFS R being too much. I would go with intake with the runner length of the RPM....& definately have the lower ported. The Holley would also work & has a fairly large cross-section to feed the 347 so porting may not be neccissary.

An alternative is to use the Vic Jr w/ an inch thick intake spacer....maybe 2. This would eliminate the need for porting yet give a runner length long enough to lower the RPM band.

Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :

quote:
Originally posted by boosted89Saleen:
QUOTE]Originally posted by st5150:
I think the TFS-R intake or Victor Jr EFI would be a better match than the track heat. I think you'll have to spend $500-600 for the intake regardless.

I thought about that, but I won't be revving the car over 6500, and I thought those intakes were for the higher rpms? I can pick up a new track heat for $350, that was the major reason for going with it [/QUOTE]
i would say if you can get a good deal on that intake go for it, you can always change it later. heck i ran an extrude honed factory 5.0 intake on my 342 for months before i swapped it out for the rpm. however when i did, WOW BABY!

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
[QB]You are right about the Victor Jr & TFS R being too much. I would go with intake with the runner length of the RPM....& definately have the lower ported. The Holley would also work & has a fairly large cross-section to feed the 347 so porting may not be neccissary.
QB]

I went ahead and bought the Track heat, do you know if Brian at hitech does porting on the intakes? I might send it to him while he is doing my cam.

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

Also, you guys think 30lb injectors with a 190lph fuel pump will be enough?

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by boosted89Saleen:

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
[QB]You are right about the Victor Jr & TFS R being too much. I would go with intake with the runner length of the RPM....& definately have the lower ported. The Holley would also work & has a fairly large cross-section to feed the 347 so porting may not be neccissary.
QB]
I went ahead and bought the Track heat, do you know if Brian at hitech does porting on the intakes? I might send it to him while he is doing my cam.

Yes Brain ports intakes....but it's expensive. There's a LOT of material to remove to get a straight shot to the heads. AaronC had his intake ported by Brain. He has pics of the work....as do I at home. There was a BIG difference in cross-section....& that was for a little 306 w/165's!

30's should be enough w/ anything under 400RWHP. Just get the High pressure 255lph walbro. $10-$20 more for a LOT more pump.

Posted by boosted89Saleen (Member # 2243) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Yes Brain ports intakes....but it's expensive. There's a LOT of material to remove to get a straight shot to the heads. AaronC had his intake ported by Brain. He has pics of the work....as do I at home. There was a BIG difference in cross-section....& that was for a little 306 w/165's!

30's should be enough w/ anything under 400RWHP. Just get the High pressure 255lph walbro. $10-$20 more for a LOT more pump.

Ok, sounds good. I probably will just bolt it on, then see where I am at with a dyno, and go from there.

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

93PONY- thank got our cars have O2 sensors that will sense the unburnt fuel at 2000 RPM and cut back the injector's duty cycle.
Looks like you're still only looking at the camshaft tree out of the whole forrest [Wink]

Don't forget about the EEC tree and the hundred others of trees out there that make up the forest [Wink]

season'd 88- I read on this board and I heard from a smog tech that the whole state is going to be required to do dyno-smog testing around July.

TheBrain- Shame on you! [Wink]

What does your buddy up there think about this? (2stangs something). Any idea when it will be running? I'm sure it'll run hard....not because of who picked your cam, but because you're just one of those guys that always runs hard for a given combo. Even if your vert was stock, I'd doubt it would be one of those 14.4@96 mph gears/exhaust/pullies 5.O's we've seen all too often.

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:
[QB]93PONY- thank god our cars have O2 sensors that will sense the unburnt fuel at 2000 RPM and cut back the injector's duty cycle.
Looks like you're still only looking at the camshaft tree out of the whole forrest Don't forget about the EEC tree and the hundred others of trees out there that make up the forest
[QB]

Tell you what...let's slap the XE274HR in your car & see if it passes smog. [Razz]

There's only so much pulse-width the EEC can pull. Fresh air/fuel in & right out the exhaust. Won't matter how much fuel it pulls.

Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:
TheBrain- Shame on you! What does your buddy up there think about this? (2stangs something). Any idea when it will be running? I'm sure it'll run hard....not because of who picked your cam, but because you're just one of those guys that always runs hard for a given combo. Even if your vert was stock, I'd doubt it would be one of those 14.4@96 mph gears/exhaust/pullies 5.O's we've seen all too often.

Actually, all I am getting from Ed are the heads
Unported, but with upgraded springs and hardened spring cups. Been thinking about getting the cam from him, but money is a bit tight right now and I just want it running again. Should be ready to go late Feb. *fingers crossed*

My buddy Mike (2stangs69-91) knows I ordered the heads from Ed and hasn't said anything bad about it. Ever since Ed sent me new springs for my 165's without payment first, just so I could get my car running, Mike has lightened up on him

Later
Brian

[ January 23, 2003, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: TheBrain ]

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

Brian, did you go with the Renegade 185's??? [Big Grin]

Please tell me you did!

What cam do you plan on using?

Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :

Nope, Just the plain ol' "emission" 185's
Will still be running the TFS Stage 2 (224-232/.542-.563 112 LS installed @ 108 )

Funny thing is Ed Curtis wanted to know why I sold the 165's because the 185's are a bit big for the "baby" strokers (331) [Confused]

Brian

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

Ed says some weird things sometimes. From what I see he normally goes small with most combos. Slow intake lobes w/fast exhaust lobes....
Brain Ebert on the other hand uses fast lobes for both intake & exhaust. You just need a stiffer valvetrain. For any given combo, Brian will make a wilder cam & more power. He's just not as popular as Ed. He's an LS1 guy & there's subtle differnces in valvetrain dynamics....specifically weight. You can't use as wild a ramp on these out-dated 5.0's like you can with the LS1's. It's a delicate ballance on our motors. Ed has that nailed.

Ask Ed were he'd install the TFS stage 2....ask him why. Then call up Brain @HiTechMotorsport.com & ask him the same questions. Garanteed you'll learn a thing or 2!

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Tell you what...let's slap the XE274HR in your car & see if it passes smog.
There's only so much pulse-width the EEC can pull. Fresh air/fuel in & right out the exhaust. Won't matter how much fuel it pulls.

I'd do it just to show you it won't make any more power than an E or B cam [Wink]

Tell you what... why don't you tell me how much pulse width the EEC can or can't pull. I'll even let you borrow my oscilloscope [Wink]

I've studied the EEC tree very well. Its one of my favorite trees in the whole forrest [dance]

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:
Tell you what...let's slap the XE274HR in your car & see if it passes smog.
There's only so much pulse-width the EEC can pull. Fresh air/fuel in & right out the exhaust. Won't matter how much fuel it pulls.
I'd do it just to show you it won't make any more power than an E or B cam Tell you what... why don't you tell me how much pulse width the EEC can or can't pull. I'll even let you borrow my oscilloscope I've studied the EEC tree very well. Its one of my favorite trees in the whole forrest

I don't know JACK about the EEC. But I guarantee it can't pull enough fuel to make the XE274HR pass smog.
I'm down for the E/B/XE274 challenge. Hell I bet my 'weak-nuts' cam make more then the E303 in your car!

Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :

LOL
No doubt, there are as many opinions on cams as there are Mustangs on the road !!!
My cam was installed by Keith Craft racing and I never questioned why they installed it @ 108

Later
Brian

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by TheBrain:
LOL
No doubt, there are as many opinions on cams as there are Mustangs on the road !!!
My cam was installed by Keith Craft racing and I never questioned why they installed it @ 108

Later
Brian

Were did TQ & HP peak?

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

quote:
Originally posted by TheBrain:
LOL
No doubt, there are as many opinions on cams as there are Mustangs on the road !!!

No doubt! Then again, a degree or two here or there won't make a difference for us amature racers.

Its good to know you'll be back in action again. You've got your work cut out for you in the EFI 5.O stroker class: http://www.cafords.com/fastest.htm Then again, your car is a true daily driver so that changes things.

Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :

quote:
Originally posted by 93PONY:

quote:
Originally posted by TheBrain:
LOL
No doubt, there are as many opinions on cams as there are Mustangs on the road !!!
My cam was installed by Keith Craft racing and I never questioned why they installed it @ 108

Later
Brian
Were did TQ & HP peak?

The only time it was dyno'd (and I got the graph) was when I had a chip burned and that chip was a total POS (I think it ran a 13.2 @ 103 w/chip and 12.7 @ 109 w/o the chip in back to back runs)
Peak torque was 349 from 4200-4400 rpm and peak HP was 307 [Roll Eyes]

@ 5400

Brian

Posted by TheBrain (Member # 35) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:

quote:
Originally posted by TheBrain:
LOL
No doubt, there are as many opinions on cams as there are Mustangs on the road !!!
No doubt! Then again, a degree or two here or there won't make a difference for us amature racers.

Its good to know you'll be back in action again. You've got your work cut out for you in the EFI 5.O stroker class: http://www.cafords.com/fastest.htm Then again, your car is a true daily driver so that changes things.

Yeah I know, everyone's faster than I am [Mad]

But how many of those cars have driven 31,000 miles in the past 1 1/2 years [Eek!]

But I do have the fastest 5.0 stroker 'vert on that list [Big Grin]

Brian

Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :

quote:
Originally posted by TheBrain:

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:

quote:
Originally posted by TheBrain:
LOL
No doubt, there are as many opinions on cams as there are Mustangs on the road !!!
No doubt! Then again, a degree or two here or there won't make a difference for us amature racers.

Its good to know you'll be back in action again. You've got your work cut out for you in the EFI 5.O stroker class: http://www.cafords.com/fastest.htm Then again, your car is a true daily driver so that changes things.
Yeah I know, everyone's faster than I am
But how many of those cars have driven 31,000 miles in the past 1 1/2 years
But I do have the fastest 5.0 stroker 'vert on that list

Brian

Brian, i met you at sac awhile back. your car is very nice, hope your new setup works well. btw, mine is also my dump truck as well as my daily driver,hehe sniff sniff [Big Grin]

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

Hey, I just personally drove the one hundredth thousand mile on my 5.O (235K now, bought it at 135K). You don't have to tell me about daily drivers [patriot]

Posted by season'd 88 (Member # 169) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:
Hey, I just personally drove the one hundredth thousand mile on my 5.O (235K now, bought it at 135K). You don't have to tell me about daily drivers

congratulations! im proud and impressed sincerely. mine went 185k before i pussied out and pulled the motor. that was a mistake.

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

Too bad you didn't get a good dyno. You'd be able to fine-tune the cam based on were the peaks fell. A degree or 2 is ~125-250RPM.....it all adds up.

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

season'd 88- Yeah, these motors will last forever. FRAM filtered and 99 cent per quart oiled [patriot]

I don't think a little bit of blow hurts NA performance much. I just notice I can't run quite as much timing as everyone else, but the performance is there. If this motor ever goes, I'm looking for an Explorer crate motor because obviously after 35+ years, Ford has learned how to build a bullet proof 302 [burnout]

Oh yeah, what major things have broken over the last 100,000 miles? Nothing too big besides the AOD.

1 AOD (track related)

1 fuel pump (my fault)

1 fuel pump (track related)

1 alternator (ran maxed out with my electric fan for 70Kish thousand miles before it went [Eek!]

)

5 pep boys oil pressure sending units (don't ask )

3-4 batteries (almost all my fault I think)

3 EGR valves (POS ford design)

1 TPS sensor

1 King Cobra clutch (converted to a 5 speed with out knowing how to drive a stick shift [Eek!]

)

2 rear main seals (crank is grooved)

1 valve cover gaskets (the factory cork gaskets dried out)

1 fan clutch (common with age)

I'm probably forgetting a minor thing or two here, but I'm sure you can fill in the blanks.

I love this car!

TheBrain- What intake are you going with?

Posted by xchpstang (Member # 1206) on :

I just smogged my car at a test only station down here in So. Cal. and it BARELY passed. I have the Comp NX264 grind which is even milder than the E-303 (212/218 at .050 and .512 lift with 114 LSA). All the smog equipment was intact and I have Edelbrock 2.02 heads, TFS street intake, and 30lb injectors. It failed the first time but was able to pass it the second time with a custom Autologic chip from Powertrain Dynamics. Keep this in mind: Whatever cam or combination passed last year will probably not pass this year. It's getting worse every year.

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

For what its worth, my STOCK 5.O barely passes each year as well. We're talking stock pullies, stock headers, stock H pipe, stock timing, stock air box, you name it its stock [patriot]

Must be my stock cam huh? [Wink]

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:
For what its worth, my STOCK 5.O barely passes each year as well. We're talking stock pullies, stock headers, stock H pipe, stock timing, stock air box, you name it its stock Must be my stock cam huh?

Must not be related to the massive oil consumption you have either.

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

Ouch, "massive" is such a strong word [Wink]

I like to use the term "thirsty". I don't know how much oil is being burned in the 1600-2100 RPM range they tested my car in though. The same H pipe on my buddies 40,000 mile 5.O only passed with slightly better numbers. What did they say on the fast and the furious? "It doesn't matter if you pass by one hydrocarbons or a thousand... a pass is a pass"... or something like that [Big Grin]

Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :

quote:
Originally posted by st5150:
Ouch, "massive" is such a strong word I like to use the term "thirsty". I don't know how much oil is being burned in the 1600-2100 RPM range they tested my car in though. The same H pipe on my buddies 40,000 mile 5.O only passed with slightly better numbers. What did they say on the fast and the furious? "It doesn't matter if you pass by one hydrocarbons or a thousand... a pass is a pass"... or something like that

You've 'the fast & the furious'?!?
Sellout! [Wink]

I bet you have Vin Weasle's picture above your bed. [Razz]

[ January 24, 2003, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: 93PONY ]

Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :

No, but I use to have the American Graffiti '32 coupe up there [dance]

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