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Posted by PeNiNsula302 (Member # 1061) on :
 
ordered...

-centerforce dual friction clutch
-pro 5.0 shifter
-auburn performance differential (31spline)
-superior axle kit
-FMS 3:73's
-BBK Cold Air Induction w/ K&N
-BBK Aluminum pulleys
-BBK Equal length shorty headers (ceramic coated)
-MSD 6AL ignition
-Electric Fan
-crane 1.7 cobra roller rockers
-my exhaust now (off road x, 2 chamber flows)
-shit load of wires and hoses (all performance) just because my engine needs a big tune
-Also, pretty much every other little part that you need to make all the above stuff work running a total bill of about $2400 from summit and $450 from brothers performance. I probably forgot something but thats close enough.

All of this with slicks or dr's. Im gonna get it dynoed when i get it all put on but what do you think i will be running (hp and track times). thnx!

-scott

[ August 29, 2002, 08:44 AM: Message edited by: PeNiNsula302 ]
 

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Posted by hidnn.o.s. (Member # 1219) on :
 
Many 000000's at the end of your bill are the numbers I would expect with a bill like yours for parts ordered.....
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
210-220 RWHP.
Track times in the high 13's to low 14's at around 100mph.

If you want to save some cash, cancel the BBK cold-air & just buy a K&N panel filter. By pulling the air silencer & running the panel filter, you'll actually get more power than the BBK cold-air. 1-2hp, but the big difference will be heat-soak....you'll get lots of hot air with the BBK once the enine warms up. (chrome tends to absorb more heat than plastic)

The roller rockers are nice, but probably a waste at this point as well. Stock valvesprings are WEAK! Adding lift to stock springs with any sort of mileage on them more offten than not will cause valve-float at rpms above 4500. You will see a gain down low, but probaly lose some up top.

Otherwise, good start! It gets expesive doesn't it!
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
Scott, I will try my best to be 100% frank with you. If you are trying to go fast now, I have never seen anyone spend $2850 worse than you just did. Lets analyze, shall we...

-centerforce dual friction clutch (unless your current clutch is slippin, this isn't worth anything)

-pro 5.0 shifter (one of my favorites)

-auburn performance differential (unless your trac-loc was shot, this aign't doing shit)

-superior axle kit (good insurance, but looking at your mod list, you won't need these ANYTIME soon)

-FMS 3:73's (awesome mod)

-BBK Cold Air Induction w/ K&N (I never understood this one. Do you know how hot that aluminum tube gets and thus heats the incoming air. I have a Moroso that has a plastic inlet tube so it doesn't get as hot)

-BBK Aluminum pulleys (this and gears are your best mods)

-BBK Equal length shorty headers (not worth much on a stock motor)

-MSD 6AL ignition (on a stock motor, better ways to spend money)

-Electric Fan (good mod)

-crane 1.7 cobra roller rockers (much better ways to spend $200)

-my exhaust now (ok, good)

-shit load of wires and hoses all performance (WHY did you mention this?)

Not to be an A-hole, but you went from having a mid 14 sec car to a low 14 sec car for $2850!!! Who recommended this mod list to you? I think you should get some better advice from other people before you pick up that Summit catalog. There are a lot of experienced people on this board who could have advised you very well as far as mods go. Maybe I am totally off base here, and you are setting a foundation for the future without wanting immediate gratification. If that's the case, I apologize. But you DID ask about expectations in your post. If that's the case, my EXPECATIONS are that my grandma could have picked up a summit catalog and blindly picked out a better mod list.

You would have been doing JUST fine if you got the gears, shifter, pullies and just learned to drive the car with some sticky tires. All the other stuff was a waist of money at this stage, IMHO...
Good Luck.
Luke

By the way, I would be happy to share any advice or experiences i had back when I raced my 87GT. Believe me, I made my share of mistakes when I was younger.

Feel free to email me anytime
luke87gt@yahoo.com
 

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Posted by shade-tree (Member # 298) on :
 
like it or not, Luke is right.

Here's how to spend $1,250 the right way

150 shot of N20 (500), slicks(300), and gears(450 installed). Now of course there's other things you could do instead, but realize as far as "bang for the buck", they will not even be close.

I have no problem fixing what's broke, but fixing what ain't broke is a waste of time/money.
Your OE clutch and rear are some of the best things going for a stock 5 liter assuming they are in decent shape.
 

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Posted by 93PONY (Member # 60) on :
 
In all fairness....I think his clutch just took a dump. Even though a Centerforce isn't needed, it's a decent setup for power later on.

Hell, I'd LOVE to have an Auburn & 31 spline axles. Kinda worried I'm gonna throw an axle at the track... Course I have easily twice the power. It's a good mod if bigger & better things are to come.
 

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Posted by MustangSS (Member # 1689) on :
 
He was forced to get the clutch. He just blew it yesterday. He is going on and making this car as fast as possible until he can't do anything else to it. The one thing I'm sure he'll be dissappointed to hear is that he does want instant results which apparently he's not going to get. Thanks for you thoughts.
Ryan
 

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Posted by 87Saleen (Member # 1549) on :
 
It costs to be the boss...

you gotta pay to play
 

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Posted by gR40coupe (Member # 698) on :
 
How about bumping your timing up better flowing manifold cobra maybe, bigger mass air meter, throttle body, get a set of nitto d/r youl be ok.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 
gR40Coupe, this is exactly what I am talking about. More bad advice!!! Your on track with the timing but as far as aftermarket intake, throttle body, and MAF, there are better ways to spend that kind of money. The gains with those parts are minimal with a stock motor. WHY? Because the stock stuff is NOT a significant restriction at this stage of the game. Sure, add heads and a cam, and then those parts need to be addressed. Have you ever seen before/after dyno numbers of an aftermarket intake or TB on a stock motor? I have! The TB will give you ZERO and with the intake you'd be lucky to see 1mph improvement at the track.

Drop the magazines and hang out at a track or a dyno facility and learn something before coming on here and recommending bullshit to people that don't know any better. Again not trying to be an A-hole, but it is far to common on this site to see people giving advice that they either heard about or read in a magazine somewhere. I'm not directing this towards anyone.
Luke
 

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Posted by PeNiNsula302 (Member # 1061) on :
 
ok first of all what you all dont understand is shit changed from my first day impressions of looking at parts to now. Im building a 10 second car, not looking for instantanious results. I cant believe any of you would say this is going to be an unstable setup for a 10 second car. You might say i wasted my money, but i say im doing the right thing in making every part of my car strong enough to pull low numbers (eventually). I never expected a 13 flat with this setup let alone breaking 13.5's, i was just asking what do you think it will pull and looking for a little "pat on the back" on my first steps in building my ride. Well, i value all of your advice i always have. long tubes and a shorty X are coming EVENTUALLY, when i do my big engine shit.

Some of you might have been mislead by my "point by point" posts but ive learned more now, and i learn more every day, and im sure i made a step in the right direction in making my car "stronger".

[ August 29, 2002, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: PeNiNsula302 ]
 

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Posted by PunkINa5.SLOW (Member # 10) on :
 
They are just giving you advice man, dont flash on them.

The only supporting item I see for 10second timeslips is the rear end shit MSD box and MAYBE the shifter/clutch but wont live long if at all.

Other than that.....no.

Live and learn.

[ August 29, 2002, 10:19 PM: Message edited by: PunkINa5.SLOW ]
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 
PeNiNsula302- Its obvious you're young and want to make your new 5.O fast unlike your V6. What people here really are saying is SLOW DOWN. In all honesty, I'm willing to bet if you take your car to the track, you'll run 15's all day. What everyone is saying is SLOW DOWN, learn more about cars, learn how to DRIVE YOUR CAR into the 14's and then learn how to install basic mods to get your car into the 13's with the stock motor. Once you've done that, chance are you'll know what it takes to truely build a 10 second street car. Don't try to jump 5 seconds from the 15's to the 10's in one swoop. Like Dan said, few if any of the parts listed will really be optimal for a 10 second car.
 

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Posted by PeNiNsula302 (Member # 1061) on :
 
I know, like i said im not expecting to jump 5 seconds, thats why im taking things slow like i said i was.
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 

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Originally posted by PeNiNsula302:
I know, like i said im not expecting to jump 5 seconds, thats why im taking things slow like i said i was.

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Like I said, take things slow, but everything you buy now won't be optimal for a 10 second car. For a kid to go from his V6 stang to a 5.O and a week later start talking about 10 second cars is unreal. I highly recomend you go to an event at www.sacramentoraceway.com and talk to the owners of 10 second cars there. I wouldn't recomend going to sears point because it could be a while before you actually find a 10 second car there
 

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Posted by PunkINa5.SLOW (Member # 10) on :
 
Dude I also want to show my FULL support for you not being a general chat lounge 15 second wannabe and actually taking a stab at going fast man.

We are all here to help.

Keep your head up
 

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Posted by st5150 (Member # 51) on :
 

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Originally posted by PunkINa5.SLOW:
Dude I also want to show my FULL support for you not being a general chat lounge 15 second wannabe and actually taking a stab at going fast man.

We are all here to help.

Keep your head up

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
gR40Coupe, this is exactly what I am talking about. More bad advice!!! Your on track with the timing but as far as aftermarket intake, throttle body, and MAF, there are better ways to spend that kind of money. The gains with those parts are minimal with a stock motor. WHY? Because the stock stuff is NOT a significant restriction at this stage of the game. Sure, add heads and a cam, and then those parts need to be addressed. Have you ever seen before/after dyno numbers of an aftermarket intake or TB on a stock motor? I have! The TB will give you ZERO and with the intake you'd be lucky to see 1mph improvement at the track.

Drop the magazines and hang out at a track or a dyno facility and learn something before coming on here and recommending bullshit to people that don't know any better. Again not trying to be an A-hole, but it is far to common on this site to see people giving advice that they either heard about or read in a magazine somewhere. I'm not directing this towards anyone.
Luke

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Relax tough guy the kids question was i have 2400 bucks to spend on my car what should i do my advice is to get the basic bolt on's build from there. I have a built rear end, 31 spline axles, tremec tko tranny, and a LOW POWER motor do any of these things i need for my car no, but some day soon very soon i will the kid wants to build his car so theres a list of shit he can do like it or not.
 

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Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on :
 

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Originally posted by gR40coupe:

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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
gR40Coupe, this is exactly what I am talking about. More bad advice!!! Your on track with the timing but as far as aftermarket intake, throttle body, and MAF, there are better ways to spend that kind of money. The gains with those parts are minimal with a stock motor. WHY? Because the stock stuff is NOT a significant restriction at this stage of the game. Sure, add heads and a cam, and then those parts need to be addressed. Have you ever seen before/after dyno numbers of an aftermarket intake or TB on a stock motor? I have! The TB will give you ZERO and with the intake you'd be lucky to see 1mph improvement at the track.

Drop the magazines and hang out at a track or a dyno facility and learn something before coming on here and recommending bullshit to people that don't know any better. Again not trying to be an A-hole, but it is far to common on this site to see people giving advice that they either heard about or read in a magazine somewhere. I'm not directing this towards anyone.
Luke

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Relax tough guy the kids question was i have 2400 bucks to spend on my car what should i do my advice is to get the basic bolt on's build from there. I have a built rear end, 31 spline axles, tremec tko tranny, and a LOW POWER motor do any of these things i need for my car no, but some day soon very soon i will the kid wants to build his car so theres a list of shit he can do like it or not.

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Tough guy? I wouldn't hurt a fly
He didn't ask what he should buy with $2400 in this post. He stated what he has already ordered.
 

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