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Posted by Taildragger (Member # 6767) on
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I'm going to launch my '03 Cobra vert. I bought it about 6 months ago from South Carolina. It has 54,250 miles on it.
whipple 2.3 with 3 inch pulley
-60# injectors
-accufab single blade throttle body
-mafia
-K/B BAP
-JLT cai
-Billet flow ider pulluys
-SCT hand held tuner
-Wrinkle black powder coated valve covers
-bassani catbackexhaust (polished)
-bassani x pipe
-Egr delete
-MM caster camber plates
-nkg tr6 plugs
-Pro 5.0 shifter
-H&R sport springs (no iso's)
-Hilton boost overlay 20 plus #'S
-upr radiator support
-upr powder coated engine caps
-genuine Roush light bar with Jack's signature
-MMR rear seat delete
-DSG paint matched interior (blends so smooth, not ricer)
-Ford Racing floor mats
-shorty antenna
-rear bumper inserts
-smoked 3rd brake light
-custom painted calipers
-custom painted cobra emblems
-VIS carbon fiber 03 cobra hood, custom paint matched with carbon stripes
-One off 18x9.5/18x11" Satin black powder coated CCW Classics ($$$$$ in these)
-new BFG's in front
-R compound Toyo's in rear
It will also come with a Cervini Roadster setup and an extra set of BFG drag radials for the back. The Cervini setup has been painted but never installed. This car is absolutely mean looking and drives like stock. It's too fast for me and the tires rub when I go hoggin'. $20,000
Posted by GOT 50 (Member # 1960) on
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Pics, Dyno Numbers?
Posted by 1SIK06 (Member # 8996) on
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pics please?? might be interested
Posted by VNMUZ96 (Member # 10456) on
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Pics would be nice
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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Originally posted by VNMUZ96:
Pics would be nice
[ February 23, 2012, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: 2000BlackGT ]
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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It made around 559 / 516 on AED's dyno.
[ February 23, 2012, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: 2000BlackGT ]
Posted by CobraTerritory (Member # 6476) on
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Trade wheels plus cash for 17x9 and 17x10.5 AFS satin 03 cobras with 315 Mickey Thompson drag radials???
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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Originally posted by CobraTerritory:
Trade wheels plus cash for 17x9 and 17x10.5 AFS satin 03 cobras with 315 Mickey Thompson drag radials???
He'd consider selling the wheels outright but no trades on them. He already has quite a few wheel sets already.
Posted by sabotage (Member # 11691) on
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Iam really interested in the wheels shoot me a pm or a text my number is 831 809 25 85
Posted by lxhatch5.0 (Member # 6319) on
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Keep ur wheels, no other wheels will do that car justice. Sweet ride im diggin that sinister look
Posted by outlawdragger (Member # 10590) on
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That car looks pissed off!
Posted by fiftwyz (Member # 8351) on
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BADASS!
Posted by 1SIK06 (Member # 8996) on
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Where is the car located
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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Originally posted by 1SIK06:
Where is the car located
Ukiah
Posted by *BlownMach1* (Member # 5400) on
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Omg.. I want!!! Vert sooooo sexy
Posted by blown doors off (Member # 10713) on
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What seats?
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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Originally posted by blown doors off:
What seats?
black mint 04 cobra seats. The seats in the pictures were sold.
[ February 23, 2012, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: 2000BlackGT ]
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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I hope you have this in about 2-3 Weeks and would you take 17k cash?
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
I hope you have this in about 2-3 Weeks and would you take 17k cash?
nope
Posted by 5.0 LsX (Member # 10017) on
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wish i was in the market..clean! glws
Posted by blackfifty (Member # 9023) on
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Will the car come smogged and is it registered in California?
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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Originally posted by blackfifty:
Will the car come smogged and is it registered in California?
it's registered in CA. Smog is up to the buyer.
Posted by vishs03 (Member # 8437) on
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How much for the wheels cash ? Pm a price . Badass car !
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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Looks like for now the wheels are staying on the car for someone to buy as a complete package. If it doesn't sell as a complete package then we'll think of selling the wheels.
Posted by 87droptop50 (Member # 7185) on
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Damn !!! I want this car !!!
Posted by Chuy's01cobra (Member # 10257) on
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Now that's a beautiful car
Posted by 1ST0KGT (Member # 10606) on
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Originally posted by Chuy's01cobra:
Now that's a beautiful car
+1
Posted by cpthowdy (Member # 10055) on
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Don't take a penny less then what your asking for! Can't believe I saw that 17k offer
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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Originally posted by cpthowdy:
Don't take a penny less then what your asking for! Can't believe I saw that 17k offer
I offered bro because thats what I have now, but in couple weeks should have more. Doesnt hurt to ask does it? Or is there a fee to ask? ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by LETHL 03 (Member # 5401) on
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
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Originally posted by cpthowdy:
Don't take a penny less then what your asking for! Can't believe I saw that 17k offer
I offered bro because thats what I have now, but in couple weeks should have more. Doesnt hurt to ask does it? Or is there a fee to ask?
U owe $100 for asking Lmao jk
Never hurts to ask but car is for sure worth asking price
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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Originally posted by LETHL 03:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
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Originally posted by cpthowdy:
Don't take a penny less then what your asking for! Can't believe I saw that 17k offer
I offered bro because thats what I have now, but in couple weeks should have more. Doesnt hurt to ask does it? Or is there a fee to ask?
U owe $100 for asking Lmao jk
Never hurts to ask but car is for sure worth asking price
Awww damn now I only have 16,900 lol jk im sure its worth the 20k but you never know if he consider the 17k might be my luck...
Posted by Taildragger (Member # 6767) on
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I'll take $17 cash plus some brakes and shiney new wheels for one of my other cars
Posted by venomous99 (Member # 1917) on
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beautiful car....if i was in the market for a stang id be all over this.
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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I know you mentioned you have other wheels for it? Cheaper wheels lower the price just a bit?
Posted by Taildragger (Member # 6767) on
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I've got a set of 19" Axis five spoke wheels powder coated flat black as well with 90% rubber on them. With those I'll take 19.5. The car speaks for its self. It's a really nice fucking car.
Posted by bullitt3513 (Member # 10473) on
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ill trade my termi plus cash. that thing is sick/ glws!
Posted by bullitt3513 (Member # 10473) on
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idk 17 is kinda an insult on this car. i seen cars like this go for lots more!
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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You sure you wanna trade your 03 cobra zinc? Its worth way more than a mystic cobra and your willing to add cash. If still available in 2 Weeks ill give him more for sure the only reason I offered him 17k was not to offened him but thats what I have bro, sorry I dont have 20k laying around..lol damn I didnt know people got so offended with making an offer...
Posted by bullitt3513 (Member # 10473) on
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its not were upset, alot of time,money, and work to get the cars the way we want them, and when it comes time to sell them. its just hard to part ways with them for anything less then we think there worth
Posted by 92LxHatch (Member # 11387) on
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Originally posted by 2000BlackGT:
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Originally posted by VNMUZ96:
Pics would be nice
BEST LOOKING VERT IVE SEEN TO DATE ![[worship]](graemlins/worship.gif)
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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And I understand that bro because I had aboud 15 foxbodys that I have built up from ground up..but when somebody makes you an offer it doesn't mean you have to accept it is just an offer, like I said if its still available withing a couple Weeks I would give him the 20k...
Posted by *BlownMach1* (Member # 5400) on
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Lol take off 500$ for some CCW classics?? Haha I sure hope whoever buys this car don't go tht route! This car is every bit worth FULL asking price but why not let the buyer bring his own wheels and knock off 2-3k off the price. U know it Woul be fairly easy to fetch 2500-3000$ for the wheels
Posted by 92LxHatch (Member # 11387) on
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Originally posted by 2000BlackGT:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
I hope you have this in about 2-3 Weeks and would you take 17k cash?
nope
HAHAHAHAHA,cafords low ball,def worth MORE than 20k anything lower than that is a kick in the balls,for anyone who has 17k laying around ,i bet u got more laying around,lol
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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Originally posted by 92LxHatch:
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Originally posted by 2000BlackGT:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
I hope you have this in about 2-3 Weeks and would you take 17k cash?
nope
HAHAHAHAHA,cafords low ball,def worth MORE than 20k anything lower than that is a kick in the balls,for anyone who has 17k laying around ,i bet u got more laying around,lol
If I had more than 17k I would go cash him out tonight, and its call hard work and saving money. Nothing is free, man prople complain more than the owner lol I wonder what you guys would do if you had a cobra ask about 30k and get offeneded if somebody offered you 29,500 lol man you guys are funny over an "OFFER"
Posted by *BlownMach1* (Member # 5400) on
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
You sure you wanna trade your 03 cobra zinc? Its worth way more than a mystic cobra and your willing to add cash. If still available in 2 Weeks ill give him more for sure the only reason I offered him 17k was not to offened him but thats what I have bro, sorry I dont have 20k laying around..lol damn I didnt know people got so offended with making an offer...
So since when is a ZINC yellow cobra worth more then a MYSTIC?????? Hahahaha that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time!! The only color that even compares to the price range of a mystic is COMP orange.. Idk where u are getting ur facts from but u may want to do some more research! There is a bottom and top level as far as when colors fetch more or less money!
Like silver being the worst to mystic being the top! U may be categorizing them closely like redfire, sonic blue, DSG, all being on the low side an black, MG, torch red, white, zinc an comp orange all are more closer to the top! But anyone who knows and loves termy's ha their own color choices when buying and choose what they want with the best price also a factor!
This is the CLEANEST VERT and the DSG only makes it look that much better!! They just go better then most other colors!
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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Originally posted by *BlownMach1*:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
You sure you wanna trade your 03 cobra zinc? Its worth way more than a mystic cobra and your willing to add cash. If still available in 2 Weeks ill give him more for sure the only reason I offered him 17k was not to offened him but thats what I have bro, sorry I dont have 20k laying around..lol damn I didnt know people got so offended with making an offer...
So since when is a ZINC yellow cobra worth more then a MYSTIC?????? Hahahaha that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time!! The only color that even compares to the price range of a mystic is COMP orange.. Idk where u are getting ur facts from but u may want to do some more research! There is a bottom and top level as far as when colors fetch more or less money!
Like silver being the worst to mystic being the top! U may be categorizing them closely like redfire, sonic blue, DSG, all being on the low side an black, MG, torch red, white, zinc an comp orange all are more closer to the top! But anyone who knows and loves termy's ha their own color choices when buying and choose what they want with the best price also a factor!
This is the CLEANEST VERT and the DSG only makes it look that much better!! They just go better then most other colors!
The only reason I said that was because the guy that has the yellow "zinc" cobra offered me his cobra for 19k and I said I was looking for a mystic one he said that the zinc yellow was worth more so he says...I had posted an add saying I was looking to buy a termi about a couple days ago..I either still want a mystic cobra or this clean ass grey drop....
Posted by 92LxHatch (Member # 11387) on
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Originally posted by *BlownMach1*:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
You sure you wanna trade your 03 cobra zinc? Its worth way more than a mystic cobra and your willing to add cash. If still available in 2 Weeks ill give him more for sure the only reason I offered him 17k was not to offened him but thats what I have bro, sorry I dont have 20k laying around..lol damn I didnt know people got so offended with making an offer...
So since when is a ZINC yellow cobra worth more then a MYSTIC?????? Hahahaha that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time!! The only color that even compares to the price range of a mystic is COMP orange.. Idk where u are getting ur facts from but u may want to do some more research! There is a bottom and top level as far as when colors fetch more or less money!
Like silver being the worst to mystic being the top! U may be categorizing them closely like redfire, sonic blue, DSG, all being on the low side an black, MG, torch red, white, zinc an comp orange all are more closer to the top! But anyone who knows and loves termy's ha their own color choices when buying and choose what they want with the best price also a factor!
This is the CLEANEST VERT and the DSG only makes it look that much better!! They just go better then most other colors!
well said
Posted by 92LxHatch (Member # 11387) on
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
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Originally posted by *BlownMach1*:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
You sure you wanna trade your 03 cobra zinc? Its worth way more than a mystic cobra and your willing to add cash. If still available in 2 Weeks ill give him more for sure the only reason I offered him 17k was not to offened him but thats what I have bro, sorry I dont have 20k laying around..lol damn I didnt know people got so offended with making an offer...
So since when is a ZINC yellow cobra worth more then a MYSTIC?????? Hahahaha that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time!! The only color that even compares to the price range of a mystic is COMP orange.. Idk where u are getting ur facts from but u may want to do some more research! There is a bottom and top level as far as when colors fetch more or less money!
Like silver being the worst to mystic being the top! U may be categorizing them closely like redfire, sonic blue, DSG, all being on the low side an black, MG, torch red, white, zinc an comp orange all are more closer to the top! But anyone who knows and loves termy's ha their own color choices when buying and choose what they want with the best price also a factor!
This is the CLEANEST VERT and the DSG only makes it look that much better!! They just go better then most other colors!
The only reason I said that was because the guy that has the yellow "zinc" cobra offered me his cobra for 19k and I said I was looking for a mystic one he said that the zinc yellow was worth more so he says...I had posted an add saying I was looking to buy a termi about a couple days ago..I either still want a mystic cobra or this clean ass grey drop....
well 17k gets you NONE of the 3,no zinc,no mystic and no dsg vert,cant be cheap brother
[ February 24, 2012, 01:03 AM: Message edited by: 92LxHatch ]
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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Will it buy me a 92lx or 97 hot ass gt?
Posted by blown doors off (Member # 10713) on
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+1 for General Talk. But I guess since its a mods friend it seems like, then it won't get moved like all the others IBTM
Posted by *BlownMach1* (Member # 5400) on
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Lol no cheap ass, 17k will not buy either one of his hot ass cars!!! He is ballin!! That made me really LOL as did a zinc be worth more then mystic comment the guy told you!
I also offered to add cash and my coupe for this vert! He is looking to sell outright I think! I didnt even get a reply, no F-U, no go fly a kite, nothing! Pretty sure he has enough termy's and just wants the cash or has another car/truck in mind!
Sounds like u just need a couple more weeks to cash out for this sweet ride!!! So if not sold in 2 weeks then should be then!
Posted by bullitt3513 (Member # 10473) on
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Originally posted by 92LxHatch:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
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Originally posted by *BlownMach1*:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
You sure you wanna trade your 03 cobra zinc? Its worth way more than a mystic cobra and your willing to add cash. If still available in 2 Weeks ill give him more for sure the only reason I offered him 17k was not to offened him but thats what I have bro, sorry I dont have 20k laying around..lol damn I didnt know people got so offended with making an offer...
So since when is a ZINC yellow cobra worth more then a MYSTIC?????? Hahahaha that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time!! The only color that even compares to the price range of a mystic is COMP orange.. Idk where u are getting ur facts from but u may want to do some more research! There is a bottom and top level as far as when colors fetch more or less money!
Like silver being the worst to mystic being the top! U may be categorizing them closely like redfire, sonic blue, DSG, all being on the low side an black, MG, torch red, white, zinc an comp orange all are more closer to the top! But anyone who knows and loves termy's ha their own color choices when buying and choose what they want with the best price also a factor!
This is the CLEANEST VERT and the DSG only makes it look that much better!! They just go better then most other colors!
The only reason I said that was because the guy that has the yellow "zinc" cobra offered me his cobra for 19k and I said I was looking for a mystic one he said that the zinc yellow was worth more so he says...I had posted an add saying I was looking to buy a termi about a couple days ago..I either still want a mystic cobra or this clean ass grey drop....
well 17k gets you NONE of the 3,no zinc,no mystic and no dsg vert,cant be cheap brother
exactly! and btw i said zinc was rarer than the mystic in the cobra models...nothing about value ah well
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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Thanks bro, lol man kats these days not even theyre car and they're hurt over my offer ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on
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zinc yellow is the ugliest color they made for the 03-04 cobras lol!
Posted by 92LxHatch (Member # 11387) on
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
Will it buy me a 92lx or 97 hot ass gt?
mine arnt forsale,so that gets you NONE of the 5
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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Originally posted by East Bay 50:
zinc yellow is the ugliest color they made for the 03-04 cobras lol!
Lol... ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
Posted by blown doors off (Member # 10713) on
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Originally posted by blown doors off:
+1 for General Talk. But I guess since its a mods friend it seems like, then it won't get moved like all the others IBTM
Got another in +1
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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Originally posted by 92LxHatch:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
Will it buy me a 92lx or 97 hot ass gt?
mine arnt forsale,so that gets you NONE of the 5
I wouldn't take a 97 gt even if it was "free" lol as far as the foxbody ill blow your doors off with a heavy ass Denali SUV and ill give you a head start... ![[dance]](graemlins/dance.gif)
Posted by cpthowdy (Member # 10055) on
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Blownmach1 you have a pm haha
And seller of this vert, I have 20k laying around, when are you free for me to go up there and look at it? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Taildragger (Member # 6767) on
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Originally posted by *BlownMach1*:
Lol no cheap ass, 17k will not buy either one of his hot ass cars!!! He is ballin!! That made me really LOL as did a zinc be worth more then mystic comment the guy told you!
I also offered to add cash and my coupe for this vert! He is looking to sell outright I think! I didnt even get a reply, no F-U, no go fly a kite, nothing! Pretty sure he has enough termy's and just wants the cash or has another car/truck in mind!
Sounds like u just need a couple more weeks to cash out for this sweet ride!!! So if not sold in 2 weeks then should be then!
You are correct Sir. I have had a couple of Terminator coupes. I've still got one laying around. I thought this vert was cute so I bought it. I absolutely love driving this thing, but I have zero time to drive it. I would rather see someone enjoy driving it than looking at it in my garage. I know that $20,000 is a really good deal for this car. I am only willing to trade for a Pinto, Gremlin, or Chevy Chevette.
Posted by Taildragger (Member # 6767) on
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Originally posted by cpthowdy:
Blownmach1 you have a pm haha
And seller of this vert, I have 20k laying around, when are you free for me to go up there and look at it?
I'm around all weekend. Come on up.
Posted by Taildragger (Member # 6767) on
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Not to hijsck my own thread, but I've also got pretty much everything a guy needs to make 1000whp. I have everything from the machined block, stroked rotating assy, cnc heads, 99 intake, tripple hat fuel system, 26 spl T56 with clutch and flywheel, Hellion setup, blah blah blah. I'm going back to stock. I'll make someone a nice package deal with the vert!
Posted by NEIGHT (Member # 8741) on
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Imma check out my funds next week, lets see what can happen....
Posted by slow2v (Member # 9403) on
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not a big fan of verts but this vert is killing the game...clean vert
Posted by ISP89LX (Member # 8949) on
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Originally posted by NEIGHT:
Imma check out my funds next week, lets see what can happen....
Stop lying bro!!! lol
[ February 25, 2012, 12:00 AM: Message edited by: ISP89LX ]
Posted by ISP89LX (Member # 8949) on
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Man this car is so bad ass looking and it's Practically being given away fOr all the mods it has, someone is going to get very lucky with this. Deff wish I had this type of cash Laying around I would pick in up in a heart beat. GLWS sir you shouldn't have a problem selling it. Here's something that will give people a better idea of how much of a smokin deal this is.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/2869266028.html
And it's basically stock^^^
[ February 25, 2012, 03:27 AM: Message edited by: ISP89LX ]
Posted by Taildragger (Member # 6767) on
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I know someone will get a good deal on this car. I got a deal on it so I figure I can pass the deal along. I would like to see someone enjoy it like it should be.
Posted by RedVeNoM50 (Member # 8765) on
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Let me know if this vert is still available, I have 20k laying around and would'nt mind taking it off your hands.
Posted by 50Reasons (Member # 6452) on
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pm me price for wheels please thanks
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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It's still for sale.
Posted by epic4444 (Member # 8667) on
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Clean cobra
[ March 16, 2012, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: epic4444 ]
Posted by 2T0NE (Member # 4216) on
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17k seriously,i dont think hes trying to give the car away.well worth 20k+
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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Originally posted by epic4444:
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Originally posted by 2000BlackGT:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
I hope you have this in about 2-3 Weeks and would you take 17k cash?
nope
17k cash is better than 100,000 in pesos, GLWS everything in this life is a negotiation especially a cobra you bought 6 months ago and rubs tire
having $8000 cash is better than having 100,000 pesos. Not sure your point. Rather keep the car than give it away at $17,000. Don't need the cash to pay the PG&E bill
Posted by jmcclesk (Member # 1355) on
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very nice car!!!
Posted by 88cobraclone (Member # 10958) on
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Originally posted by 2000BlackGT:
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Originally posted by epic4444:
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Originally posted by 2000BlackGT:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
I hope you have this in about 2-3 Weeks and would you take 17k cash?
nope
17k cash is better than 100,000 in pesos, GLWS everything in this life is a negotiation especially a cobra you bought 6 months ago and rubs tire
having $8000 cash is better than having 100,000 pesos. Not sure your point. Rather keep the car than give it away at $17,000. Don't need the cash to pay the PG&E bill
It was an offer, doesn't mean he has to take it. Why do you think its an "OFFER" as far as that goes I didnt know alot of people would get ass hurt over an offer to a car thats not even theirs lol not even the owner got that upset....
[ March 17, 2012, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: 88cobraclone ]
Posted by 2000BlackGT (Member # 283) on
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
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Originally posted by 2000BlackGT:
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Originally posted by epic4444:
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Originally posted by 2000BlackGT:
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Originally posted by 88cobraclone:
I hope you have this in about 2-3 Weeks and would you take 17k cash?
nope
17k cash is better than 100,000 in pesos, GLWS everything in this life is a negotiation especially a cobra you bought 6 months ago and rubs tire
having $8000 cash is better than having 100,000 pesos. Not sure your point. Rather keep the car than give it away at $17,000. Don't need the cash to pay the PG&E bill
It was an offer, doesn't mean he has to take it. Why do you think its an "OFFER" as far as that goes I didnt know alot of people would get ass hurt over an offer to a car thats not even theirs lol not even the owner got that upset....
This is a for sale thread, not a general talk thread. He gave an offer and we declined. Then someone else chimes in on why he should take an offer he doesn't want. If you don't want it, can't afford it or think we're asking too much, please move along. Need to keep this thread on topic.
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