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Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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So I finally got the Mach out to the track tonight for the 1st time since I have had my mods & had the heads rebuilt...
Here are the results... Not bad for a noob I guess LOL...
I am pretty pleased with the results for my 1st time out. I am a little disappointed with the trap speed, but the E/T I am happy with. The 60 ft could be better, but not too bad IMO for having stiff road race oriented suspension with no weight transfer. Each run got progressivly better as time went on...
[ June 10, 2010, 03:36 AM: Message edited by: EPIK ]
Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on
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those are some great numbers. congrats ![[patriot]](graemlins/patriot.gif)
Posted by Notch1320 (Member # 2647) on
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Congrats on the new best.
I think you need to work on the 60' time though...
Posted by Yaterstang (Member # 7659) on
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Havent actually raced on the track for some time either, does the reaction time effect the total time? Cause if it does then you can definitely get that time lowered.
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Thanks guys... The 60 ft times could be better, but remember I have launched on slicks a total of about 9 times in my life, & this was the 1st time out in this car. Plus, the car has no weight transfer whatsoever with 325 lb Bilstein/MM coilovers & all "road race" suspension...
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Yaterstang:
Havent actually raced on the track for some time either, does the reaction time effect the total time? Cause if it does then you can definitely get that time lowered.
Reaction time doesn't matter unless you are racing someone, but I was more or less just trying to concentrate on my launch... The clock doesn't start until you leave the line...
Posted by Notch1320 (Member # 2647) on
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Bolt those slicks up to the white notch!!!!
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Notch1320:
Bolt those slicks up to the white notch!!!!
I have & will again. My best time was a 12.9 @ 110 in the notch, but that was with a horrible 1.9 60 ft... I will be out in the notch again soon, & will be shooting for low 12's...
Posted by Cstang50 (Member # 4925) on
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i saw you out there your car is clean very nice ride
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Cstang50:
i saw you out there your car is clean very nice ride
Thanks bro. What car were you in?
Posted by Cstang50 (Member # 4925) on
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the maroon coupe
Posted by jaejae (Member # 7958) on
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love the mach epik,..peep this vid..its a clean one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5wW3wYs4g&playnext_from=TL&videos=DBTI6fWtRBI
Posted by 50 Deep (Member # 6216) on
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Not bad havin two 12 second cars homie. Where's the vids at so I can see if you were makn 6inch subs or footlongs like me
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Cstang50:
the maroon coupe
Saw you in the staging lanes. car looks clean too, what did you run?
Jae Jae Thanks bro... That mach IS nasty as F%%K!!!!
50 thanks bro... I guess having two 12 seconds rides aint that bad.
I think Gill got some vids, maybe he will post em up soon... Hope he doesnt post the vid of me forgetting to turn the traction control off & getting owned by burnouts LOL...
[ June 10, 2010, 02:58 AM: Message edited by: EPIK ]
Posted by fstryde3 (Member # 8436) on
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Nice man
Posted by SAMACH1 (Member # 7042) on
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GOOOD SHIT EPIK! NICE TIMES! welcome to the 12 second mach club LOL... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
![[dance]](graemlins/dance.gif)
Posted by Cstang50 (Member # 4925) on
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Originally posted by EPIK:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cstang50:
[qb] the maroon coupe
Saw you in the staging lanes. car looks clean too, what did you run?
ran a best of 11.5 track was hooking ok for a wed..
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Cstang50:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cstang50:
[qb] the maroon coupe
Saw you in the staging lanes. car looks clean too, what did you run?
ran a best of 11.5 track was hooking ok for a wed..
Nice times, congrats... car sounds pretty stout.
Posted by vendicated_03gt (Member # 9815) on
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hey my cousins were out there tonight. there was a 03 black zo6 cammed out,um 01 silver gt with silver bullitts in front and black wheels with et drags out back, and another 01 gt mild bolt on wit black bullitts wit a dd out back. and a enbarasing 350z that stalled it 3 times at the line lol he was with them he's a freind. did u guys see any of them ??
Posted by vendicated_03gt (Member # 9815) on
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i just saw the vid they recored n i think i saw the marrun notch. damn thing is quik !!!!
Posted by turbo50 (Member # 6700) on
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Originally posted by Cstang50:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cstang50:
[qb] the maroon coupe
Saw you in the staging lanes. car looks clean too, what did you run?
ran a best of 11.5 track was hooking ok for a wed..
Nice. I heard that is a kragens motor you bought with just some nitrous on it.
Thats the rumor anyway
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Dustin, great job!
Those aren't bad numbers for someone with your level of experience. Few things:
- 1.685 60ft for the first time out is impressive with the suspension you have. I do think at your power level, the car is capable of 1.59s with a higher launch (question is whether the suspension will allow it)
- 106.2-107.23mph... 309/323 would suggest that you are missing a couple mph in there. You can pick up 1mph from a set of skinnies, but my guess would be that you should be in the 109-110mph range. I'm sure with more seat time, adjusting your shift points, and better air, you will do just that. Have you weighed the car and compared it to the fox?
I'm also interested to see the video to see what flavor of Subway sandwich you are whipping up
Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on
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nice ride dustin! got to talk to you for a bit..sounds like last night was good for everyone.. got my new best as well! Damn how do you guys get ur 60ft down like that. I would be happy to break into 1.9
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Dustin, great job!
Those aren't bad numbers for someone with your level of experience. Few things:
- 1.685 60ft for the first time out is impressive with the suspension you have. I do think at your power level, the car is capable of 1.59s with a higher launch (question is whether the suspension will allow it)
- 106.2-107.23mph... 309/323 would suggest that you are missing a couple mph in there. You can pick up 1mph from a set of skinnies, but my guess would be that you should be in the 109-110mph range. I'm sure with more seat time, adjusting your shift points, and better air, you will do just that. Have you weighed the car and compared it to the fox?
I'm also interested to see the video to see what flavor of Subway sandwich you are whipping up
Like cstangs said the track was hooking pretty hard for slick guys, and I don't see how the air could have gotten any better, it was perfect last night! And he wasn't power shifting, but the sammichs were being made, he did good! I agree the mph is down for a DOHC car. I know his tune is on the ridiculous side of conservative tho. Reguardless, great times for first time on slicks n such. It was a good night for sure!
[ June 10, 2010, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: RED@7kVERT *8850GT* ]
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on
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I can't see the timeslip on my computer at work. what did you run?
Posted by Yellow94GT (Member # 431) on
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Originally posted by East Bay 50:
I can't see the timeslip on my computer at work. what did you run?
12.73 @ 107.21
Posted by threethirty1 (Member # 7814) on
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Nice slips man..
I think you could achieve those times on street tires easily.
Super clean car.
My brother is moving to Davis, soo i'm going to come out to Sac Raceway one night this summer and race with you guys!
Posted by Big block 66 f100 (Member # 8867) on
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the mach hooks hard but that was a pretty funny burnout
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on
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Originally posted by Big block 66 f100:
the mach hooks hard but that was a pretty funny burnout
traction control FTL!! lol shit was all pinging and dieseling hahaha!
Posted by dTb (Member # 6939) on
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Damn d..see ur almost as fast as my fox...we needa run em b a good race...
Posted by Cstang50 (Member # 4925) on
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Originally posted by turbo50:
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Originally posted by Cstang50:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cstang50:
[qb] the maroon coupe
Saw you in the staging lanes. car looks clean too, what did you run?
ran a best of 11.5 track was hooking ok for a wed..
Nice. I heard that is a kragens motor you bought with just some nitrous on it.
Thats the rumor anyway
lol yeah that kragen motor runs good ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
jk thanks dan for the lil 302 ![[worship]](graemlins/worship.gif)
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Dustin, great job!
Those aren't bad numbers for someone with your level of experience. Few things:
- 1.685 60ft for the first time out is impressive with the suspension you have. I do think at your power level, the car is capable of 1.59s with a higher launch (question is whether the suspension will allow it)
- 106.2-107.23mph... 309/323 would suggest that you are missing a couple mph in there. You can pick up 1mph from a set of skinnies, but my guess would be that you should be in the 109-110mph range. I'm sure with more seat time, adjusting your shift points, and better air, you will do just that. Have you weighed the car and compared it to the fox?
I'm also interested to see the video to see what flavor of Subway sandwich you are whipping up
Thanks Luke... Yeah, I was a bit surprised I was able to pull a 1.6X 60 ft as well, especially with the suspension.
I think I am missing some mph for 2 reasons, my shift points, & also the car has the knock sensors on & is most likely pulling timing, not to mention it is a very conservative tune. With the knock sensors off, the car should gain a bit of MPH. I just need more seat time to get more familiar with the track & my car...
last time I weighed the car, it was roughly 3,350 without me in it, so yes its a pig for sure. I have a few surprises for my next track outing though
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Originally posted by 68dustin:
nice ride dustin! got to talk to you for a bit..sounds like last night was good for everyone.. got my new best as well! Damn how do you guys get ur 60ft down like that. I would be happy to break into 1.9
Thanks. Good to see you out there Dustin, your car is seriously BAD@$$!!! Sounds great too!!! What was your best pass?
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Originally posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT*:
Like cstangs said the track was hooking pretty hard for slick guys, and I don't see how the air could have gotten any better, it was perfect last night! And he wasn't power shifting, but the sammichs were being made, he did good! I agree the mph is down for a DOHC car. I know his tune is on the ridiculous side of conservative tho. Reguardless, great times for first time on slicks n such. It was a good night for sure!
Thanks Scott!!! I know my shifts weren't the best, but I didn't think I was making sandwich's LOL? If I was, they definitely weren't footlongs, but more like PB&J's on wonder bread LOL...
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Originally posted by threethirty1:
Nice slips man..
I think you could achieve those times on street tires easily.
Super clean car.
My brother is moving to Davis, soo i'm going to come out to Sac Raceway one night this summer and race with you guys!
I doubt this car would run 12.7 on street tires, but thanks!!! LMK when you come out to sac...
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Originally posted by Big block 66 f100:
the mach hooks hard but that was a pretty funny burnout
LOL... You guys didn't see that LOL... That sh#t was hella funny though. Sounded like an 85 Toyota pickup on 110 degree day LOL.. Hey, at least I followed it up with my best run of the night...
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Originally posted by dTb:
Damn d..see ur almost as fast as my fox...we needa run em b a good race...
We can do this, but your fox SHOULD be walking my car...
Here is a vid of 1 of the 1.6x 60 footers... Too bad I missed 2nd on this pass...
http://www.youtube.com/user/DOHComeseeme#p/u/0/2gj9Jgo1etk
[ June 10, 2010, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: EPIK ]
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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what were you launching at?i bought a set of prostars with et streets for the back but have never been on a sticky tire except some drags so idk what to launch them at
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by alexdel209:
what were you launching at?i bought a set of prostars with et streets for the back but have never been on a sticky tire except some drags so idk what to launch them at
I was launching at roughly 5,500. But I think in the vid I tried to launch at almost 6,000...
[ June 10, 2010, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: EPIK ]
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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wow 5500 im scared lol i was thinking more like 4000 im scared for my axles
Posted by 68dustin (Member # 5388) on
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my best was a 12.9 @ 115 and 2.0 60ft.. i have alot of driving skills to work on...
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by alexdel209:
wow 5500 im scared lol i was thinking more like 4000 im scared for my axles
Im no expert, but I'm pretty sure you will bog hard on slicks if you try to launch @4,000, & from what I have heard about axle breakage, its worse to bog than it is to hook? Experts please correct me if I'm wrong?
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by 68dustin:
my best was a 12.9 @ 115 and 2.0 60ft.. i have alot of driving skills to work on...
Not bad bro. That MPH is great, & I think thats an 11 second trap speed.
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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yeah i went 12.92 at 114 with a 2.1 60ft before and thats when i had irs now ive done some suspension work and lil mods and a solid axle and et streets so im going soon to see what i get
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by alexdel209:
yeah i went 12.92 at 114 with a 2.1 60ft before and thats when i had irs now ive done some suspension work and lil mods and a solid axle and et streets so im going soon to see what i get
At 114??? WOW, how did you get that MPH? You running juice, or cammed???
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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well i have nitrous but didnt use it that run i always have had high trap speeds idk i remember once i went 13.5 at 112 at a grudge lol its always been my 60fts that kill me
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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matter of fact heres my 12.9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO4sv1bFbTQ
excuse the horrible launch lol
[ June 11, 2010, 12:12 AM: Message edited by: alexdel209 ]
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by alexdel209:
well i have nitrous but didnt use it that run i always have had high trap speeds idk i remember once i went 13.5 at 112 at a grudge lol its always been my 60fts that kill me
WOW, your car is a factory freak I guess, I have never seen an bolt on NA 32V trap 114 mph...
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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weird i suppose unless sumthing was done to it before i got to it.as far as i know when i got it it had h and r sprins and a borla catback but you know whats weird it does have a bigger oil pan the previous owner put on for some reason
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by alexdel209:
weird i suppose unless sumthing was done to it before i got to it.as far as i know when i got it it had h and r sprins and a borla catback but you know whats weird it does have a bigger oil pan the previous owner put on for some reason
HMMM. Could be a stroker? Because seriously, that MPH seems very high for a stock motor... Nevertheless, good times
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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idk car seemd pretty stock when i bought it but cant say for sure since then i have done full bolt ons and some nitrous and a solid axle we will see what times i get next time i go i want to goto chevy vs for but think it might be too packed
Posted by 96mysticman (Member # 8327) on
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the mph is high alex cause your blowin the tire off at the line?
same thing like steves mach he went a 12.76@ 112
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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yeah i had figured that but i never can get traction seems like no matter what i do but now i got a little suspension and solid axle with the redone rearend
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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another question fr epik how much psi in the tires?
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by alexdel209:
another question fr epik how much psi in the tires?
13 psi
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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13psi hot or cold?
And when is the next track outting?
I typically hate this time of year for racing since cool air is few and far between.
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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IDK. I just set them at 13 psi when I got to the track which is what Matt recommended. I might be heading back out there either next wednesday, or the week after.
[ June 11, 2010, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: EPIK ]
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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If the thing is hooking, I'd raise the pressure by 1psi increments to minimize rolling resistance.
Also, often times (unless you are running tubes), the pressure will drop between 1-2psi from the time you show up to the time you are leaving...
Learned this the hard way once, lol. Things got very unstable at the big end by the end of the day.
it's nice to have a small compressor available for fine tuning tire pressure.
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
If the thing is hooking, I'd raise the pressure by 1psi increments to minimize rolling resistance.
Also, often times (unless you are running tubes), the pressure will drop between 1-2psi from the time you show up to the time you are leaving...
Learned this the hard way once, lol. Things got very unstable at the big end by the end of the day.
it's nice to have a small compressor available for fine tuning tire pressure.
Not sure if the tires have tubes or not? It was pretty unstable on the top end though.
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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I recall once I put 12psi in when the tires where hot during the afternoon.
When the tires cooled down and the sun went down, I was measuring about 10psi. I had no compressor and went for it anyway, lol.
MPH was a bit down, but it was flat out SCARY at the big end... Rear was all over the place. Tubes are the way to go imho.
Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on
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epik your car is launching great!
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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yeah in that video you were gone lol do you still have stock axles?
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Thanks Moses!!!
Alex, I still have stock axles.
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Oh Shit! I just saw the "I got heavy balls" launch vid!
Dustin, that's a helluva launch! What RPM did you leave at there?
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Oh Shit! I just saw the "I got heavy balls" launch vid!
Dustin, that's a helluva launch! What RPM did you leave at there?
LOL... I pulled up to the line & thought "what would Luke do in this situation" LOL
I left at close to 6k on that launch.
[ June 12, 2010, 12:28 AM: Message edited by: EPIK ]
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Originally posted by EPIK:
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Oh Shit! I just saw the "I got heavy balls" launch vid!
Dustin, that's a helluva launch! What RPM did you leave at there?
LOL... I pulled up to the line & thought "what would Luke do in this situation" LOL
I left at close to 6k on that launch.
NICE! I could not be more proud!
Next time use the "knock sensors off" tune and leave at 7K for some 12.2s @ 110! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Oh Shit! I just saw the "I got heavy balls" launch vid!
Dustin, that's a helluva launch! What RPM did you leave at there?
LOL... I pulled up to the line & thought "what would Luke do in this situation" LOL
I left at close to 6k on that launch.
NICE! I could not be more proud!
Next time use the "knock sensors off" tune and leave at 7K for some 12.2s @ 110!
Knock sensors will be off for sure next time out, but I will not launch any higher than 6k on the lil ol 28 splines LOL...
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Originally posted by EPIK:
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Oh Shit! I just saw the "I got heavy balls" launch vid!
Dustin, that's a helluva launch! What RPM did you leave at there?
LOL... I pulled up to the line & thought "what would Luke do in this situation" LOL
I left at close to 6k on that launch.
NICE! I could not be more proud!
Next time use the "knock sensors off" tune and leave at 7K for some 12.2s @ 110!
Knock sensors will be off for sure next time out, but I will not launch any higher than 6k on the lil ol 28 splines LOL...
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
Oh Shit! I just saw the "I got heavy balls" launch vid!
Dustin, that's a helluva launch! What RPM did you leave at there?
LOL... I pulled up to the line & thought "what would Luke do in this situation" LOL
I left at close to 6k on that launch.
NICE! I could not be more proud!
Next time use the "knock sensors off" tune and leave at 7K for some 12.2s @ 110!
Knock sensors will be off for sure next time out, but I will not launch any higher than 6k on the lil ol 28 splines LOL...
LOL.... 7k, u sure??? Sounds scary
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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lol, I am just playin man.
You'll have to feel it out. Launching is one of those things that's addicting and like crack, you need more to get the same high after a while.
I'm sure that once the ET starts to drop, you will quickly realize that the difference in ET between a 1.69 60ft and a 1.59 60ft is ~0.2
Then it will be up to you whether you want to push it or not. If an axle goes, it will be a perfect opportunity to upgrade
But ya, 7K launch will be violent (The high RPM DOHC cars provide a big momentum transfer)! I'd be a bit apprehensive to do it without a loop and a scattershield. F the axles, lol. I am more concerned about my Air Jordan's on my feet lol
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
lol, I am just playin man.
You'll have to feel it out. Launching is one of those things that's addicting and like crack, you need more to get the same high after a while.
I'm sure that once the ET starts to drop, you will quickly realize that the difference in ET between a 1.69 60ft and a 1.59 60ft is ~0.2
Then it will be up to you whether you want to push it or not. If an axle goes, it will be a perfect opportunity to upgrade
But ya, 7K launch will be violent (The high RPM DOHC cars provide a big momentum transfer)! I'd be a bit apprehensive to do it without a loop and a scattershield. F the axles, lol. I am more concerned about my Air Jordan's on my feet lol
I am already addicted LOL... 6k was already pretty violent, but DAMN it was fun LOL...
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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For sure.
Both of your cars are capable of high 1.5X
The fox is lighter and has more low end torque so it won't feel as violent as the heavier car with less low end torque but more HP.
I say let both go off the limiter and see what happens
Also, there is an old trick that the Bob Cosby's used to preach regarding "accelerating the flywheel" to give yourself that extra energy transfer compared to just holding it at a certain RPM and popping the clutch. Basically, you pop the clutch as the engine is accelerating towards the limiter, right when it hits your desired launch RPM, you let the clutch go...
Posted by threethirty1 (Member # 7814) on
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That shh hoookkdd, dam epik!!
You have 4:10s?
I cant wait to ditch these 3:55s
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
For sure.
Both of your cars are capable of high 1.5X
The fox is lighter and has more low end torque so it won't feel as violent as the heavier car with less low end torque but more HP.
I say let both go off the limiter and see what happens
Also, there is an old trick that the Bob Cosby's used to preach regarding "accelerating the flywheel" to give yourself that extra energy transfer compared to just holding it at a certain RPM and popping the clutch. Basically, you pop the clutch as the engine is accelerating towards the limiter, right when it hits your desired launch RPM, you let the clutch go...
I would be ecstatic if I pulled a 1.5X 60 in either of my non drag suspended cars LOL. My balls aren't heavy enough to go off the limiter yet LOL.
I think with more practice though, I can get the 60 ft down a bit...
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Originally posted by threethirty1:
That shh hoookkdd, dam epik!!
You have 4:10s?
I cant wait to ditch these 3:55s
Thanks...
Yup, I have 4.10's in the Mach...
[ June 12, 2010, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: EPIK ]
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Originally posted by EPIK:
I think with more practice though, I can get the 60 ft down a bit...
Practice won't get the 60ft down as much as a higher launch will, lol
Posted by Pure Stang (Member # 7251) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
I think with more practice though, I can get the 60 ft down a bit...
Practice won't get the 60ft down as much as a higher launch will, lol
you want him to bust something dont you! hahahah
Posted by 96stang4.6 (Member # 9970) on
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what was you psi in the fronts? lauch at 4200 thats the max torque to get off the line
[ June 12, 2010, 04:16 PM: Message edited by: 96stang4.6 ]
Posted by RED@7kVERT *8850GT* (Member # 5909) on
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^^^^^
come on guy.........
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by 96stang4.6:
what was you psi in the fronts? lauch at 4200 thats the max torque to get off the line
My car would bog hard on a 4200 launch???
The front tires were what they always are on the street, 30-35 psi.
Posted by East Bay 50 (Member # 8081) on
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Originally posted by EPIK:
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Originally posted by 96stang4.6:
what was you psi in the fronts? lauch at 4200 thats the max torque to get off the line
My car would bog hard on a 4200 launch???
The front tires were what they always are on the street, 30-35 psi.
Let me know the next time you go back. im gonna try to launch at 5500 and see what happens lol!
Posted by streakmatt (Member # 6257) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
I think with more practice though, I can get the 60 ft down a bit...
Practice won't get the 60ft down as much as a higher launch will, lol
Luke I had him set them at 13psi cold. Too bad I wasnt in attendance that night, could have tried a few things. Well D can get the 60ft. better with practice on what RPM it likes to be launched at, play with tire PSI, shift points etc. IF he had some skinnies then MAYBE he could squeak out a 1.59..
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Originally posted by Pure Stang:
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
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Originally posted by EPIK:
I think with more practice though, I can get the 60 ft down a bit...
Practice won't get the 60ft down as much as a higher launch will, lol
you want him to bust something dont you! hahahah
LOL, not at all. The name of the game (at least the one serious racers play) is to minimize ET and realize the potential of the car, right? Alternately you can always conserve parts, go easy on the car, and leave ET on the table. Many people go the 2nd route and there is nothing at all wrong with that approach as it allows you to have fun while minimizing the probability of grenading parts
I'm just throwing out some ideas to minimze the ET that I've learned myself. It's up to Dustin how hard he wants to push things. Of course that pushing is what sometimes leads to broken parts unfortunately.
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Originally posted by 96stang4.6:
lauch at 4200 thats the max torque to get off the line
Oh brother, what does launching at peak torque get you when the car will bog down below the RPM where the peak torque occurs? Remember, torque is a rotational force but without the aspect of "time" included in the equation (to get Horsepower), it is meaningless. Horsepower is king. To get down the track in the least amount of time, you want to maximize the area under the HP curve in the usable RPM range during the pass (integral of the HP curve, NOT the torque curve).
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Originally posted by EPIK:
The front tires were what they always are on the street, 30-35 psi
Dustin, if you go out on your street wheels again, air the fronts up to 40-45psi to minimize rolling resistance.
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Originally posted by Streakmatt:
Luke I had him set them at 13psi cold. Too bad I wasnt in attendance that night, could have tried a few things. Well D can get the 60ft. better with practice on what RPM it likes to be launched at, play with tire PSI, shift points etc. IF he had some skinnies then MAYBE he could squeak out a 1.59..
Posted by WickedStang (Member # 7692) on
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Damn.. sounds like if I want to complete I got my work cut out! lol Gotta slap my 275 DRs or my 27in slicks to keep up wit u Epik.
Posted by 96stang4.6 (Member # 9970) on
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you use torque to get off the line then you depend on hp
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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Originally posted by 96stang4.6:
you use torque to get off the line then you depend on hp
just stop
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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lol
Posted by phil a (Member # 6951) on
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Originally posted by Luke87GT:
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Originally posted by 96stang4.6:
you use torque to get off the line then you depend on hp
just stop
LMAO!
Posted by 96stang4.6 (Member # 9970) on
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whats this then?
other than a 50 with some go
[ June 14, 2010, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: 96stang4.6 ]
Posted by Luke87GT (Member # 21) on
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The amplitude of the torque won't be enough to tell the story. That torque must be applied quickly (which is where HP comes in) to go wheels-up like that.
Rotating HP = (Torque x RPM)/5252
The HP equation gives meaning to the torque because it quantifies the time that it is being applied at (that's were RPM comes in).
Don't be one of the guys that recites old internet cliches about torque getting you off the line and HP getting you down the track
Here is a passage taken from google on the topics:
So what really matters: torque or horsepower? People say that "torque gets you going and horsepower keeps you going." This is a misconception based on the behavior of their less-than-ideal transmissions. Most transmissions have a finite number of gears, and that means that you have to work within a power band instead of staying at your favorite rpm. A perfectly designed transmission should be able to provide enough wheel torque to spin the tires from a dead stop with any engine, but not all street transmissions can do this because they slip too much or they have gears that are too tall. Remember the formula? When the car speed is zero, the force can be infinite with any amount of power. Drag racers lauch at 6000 rpm because that's where they're developing power. (Anything higher would basically guarantee that they'd lose traction.) The ideal transmission would always keep the engine at max power. Anyone who leans on torque needs to look more closely at their transmission; it's not doing its job if you need a wide power band. They also need to look at what's going on: They're not really relying on torque. Average horsepower throughout the power band is really what's responsible. The torque still doesn't matter. You typically see cars with lots of torque having wide power bands, and that's the only reason why they'd ever beat a car with more peak horsepower. Average horsepower wins races.
To take it a step further:
Work = Force*Distance
Without Distance, you can have as much torque as you can possibly imagine and be doing no work.
Power = Work / Time = (Force*Distance)/Time
Power quantifies how quickly that force is being applied and over what distance.
Again Power is King.
[ June 15, 2010, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: Luke87GT ]
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[ June 15, 2010, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: SPTVENM ]
Posted by Ryan... (Member # 7089) on
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good shit
what mods you have on that thing?
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by Ryan...:
good shit
what mods you have on that thing?
Thanks...
The only engine mods are
-Mac LT's
-Mac o/r H
-Bassani catback
-Roy's 3/8" intake spacer
-C&L 85mm MAF
-AED tune (309rwhp/323rwtq)
It also has 4.10 gears, & full suspension, but its a super stiff Maximum Motorsports road race inspired suspension which includes a tubular K member, panhard bar, subframes, panhard bar, lower control arms, & coilovers all around. The 325 lb front & 225 lb rear coilover spring rates don't exactly help weight transfer at the track.
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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I see u have the 85mm Mac did u change the injectors too or you just got it for more adjustability withthe tune?
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by alexdel209:
I see u have the 85mm Mac did u change the injectors too or you just got it for more adjustability withthe tune?
The C&L is calibrated for stock injectors. Honestly, if I could go back, I would just buy a JLT, because the bigger MAF isnt needed on an N/A 32V, but the C&L looks a trillion times better under the hood than the JLT does.
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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Yea I'm lookin for a cai I have the k and n but want something different with a different inlet tube the k and n uses the stock one I looked at the c and l and jlt so idk which ima get.I'm looking to buy some shocks,cai,subframe connectors and in ready for the track
Posted by EPIK (Member # 7481) on
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Originally posted by alexdel209:
Yea I'm lookin for a cai I have the k and n but want something different with a different inlet tube the k and n uses the stock one I looked at the c and l and jlt so idk which ima get.I'm looking to buy some shocks,cai,subframe connectors and in ready for the track
If you buy the C&L, make sure you get a tune for it, because although they say you don't need it, the car will actually be leaned out quite a bit with the bigger maf.
Posted by alexdel209 (Member # 9239) on
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Ok I'll let u know and thanks for the info
Posted by JohnB (Member # 969) on
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Originally posted by 96stang4.6:
whats this then?
other than a 50 with some go
What is this? Someone who can't set up a suspension correctly. That's what.
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